Episode #110: The Documentary Beneath Sheep's Clothing W/Julie Behling

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If you remember about this time
last year, I had the opportunity

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to sit down and have a
conversation with Julie Bealing.

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At that time, Julie had just
wrote and released the book

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Beneath Sheep's Clothing, which
uncovered various tactics that

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the far left uses to
indoctrinate our children in

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public education.
Well, she joins me again on the

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podcast to talk about the
documentary that was made from

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the book.
We talk about the new things

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that she learned about the far
left plot, the heavy hitters she

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worked with from the freedom
movement, and where and how to

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support the film.
I can't encourage you enough to

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go out and get a ticket to this
and take your teenagers with you

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because it's going to be super
important that they know what it

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is that's happening right now in
their educational system.

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That's next on this episode of
the Mormon Renegade podcast.

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Look, it's no secret that our
society has become much more

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crude and coarse.
To become and raise men and

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women of virtue and character is
a Herculean task.

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To help with this, I've recently
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Now, back in the 1700s,
Washington had a book called

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Rules of Civility and Decent
Behavior and Company and

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Conversation.
It was a book with 110 rules

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that talked about how to conduct
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in society, something that
today's society is sorely

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lacking.
What I did is I went back

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through the book and I
reinterpreted his original

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sayings for the 21st century.
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in which you see Washington's
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Right below that is my
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century, and below that you'll
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where to use this in the real
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parents teach these principles
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from personal experience that
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help you raise men and women of
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You're listening to the Mormon
Renegade podcast.

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Well, Julie, I've been watching
on Facebook a little bit.

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You've been busy.
You've been hanging out with

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some cool people, too.
James Lindsay, just off the top

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of my head, What?
That's That's been awesome.

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Your book has kind of caught
fire a little bit, hasn't it?

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Yeah, well, and the documentary
is gonna gonna be even even more

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potent, I think, coming out here
in just a couple weeks.

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So yeah, it's it's kind of
crazy.

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I mean, this whole process from
the book to where things are now

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began well over 20 years ago, so
it's just definitely not me.

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I mean, I do.
I feel like a baton was handed

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to me and I just chose to run
with it.

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But there's way more forces at
work here than than me.

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Yeah, no, I I I can identify
with that every time I log on

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and fire up this microphone.
I think you could have so found

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a better guy for this than me,
Lord, but whatever.

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So let let me ask you this.
Did you always know that this

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was gonna First off, let's let's
start here.

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When when is the movie going to
be released?

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You said a couple of weeks.
Is there a hard release date on

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this?
Yeah, so we have 3 live

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premieres scheduled and a fourth
one in the works.

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The first live premiere will be
in Phoenix, AZ on January 11th,

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then St.
George UT January 12th and

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Lehigh, Utah January 13th.
The online premier is scheduled

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for January 19th and we are
working on cross fingers that we

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can have actually a South
Florida premier also on January

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19th.
So we're things are balls are

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moving and I mean people were.
I mean we had Glenn Beck repost

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the trailer for the for the
documentary.

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We've had other people.
I had someone who yesterday told

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me someone who texts with Tucker
Carlson who said that she would

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share the trailer with Tucker
Carlson.

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And anyways things are moving
and it's it's amazing to see.

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It's kind of daunting.
But yeah, I mean, it all started

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from my master's thesis after my
mission to Russia with again

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researching underground
Christian movements in the

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Soviet Union.
And people, people have asked

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me, did you ever think that when
you were writing your thesis, it

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could lead to something like
this?

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And I actually will say yes.
I actually felt from the very

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beginning that the purpose of me
researching Christianity in the

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Soviet Union and their survival
tactics and the and Soviet

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tactics to destroy Christianity,
yes, I actually did think that

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there was some purpose for that
that would translate to helping

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America as Christians at some
time in the future.

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Wow, you.
That's got to be such.

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But even though you thought that
this could happen, it still has

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to be a weird kind of a surreal
moment to watch it go from your

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your your thesis paper to your
book and now to a movie.

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What was the process like to
really crank this up into a

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movie?
Was it hard to get that going?

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I mean, it was hard, but it was
also not my it was not even my

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intention ever for the
documentary.

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So the way that came about.
So again, I wrote my thesis

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between 2002 and 2004, after
having been a missionary in

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Russia in the late 90s.
And then the book it was in 2008

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where I started research for my
book.

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I wrote most of my book between
2009, 2011, set it aside because

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I had a mental block and
couldn't finish it and I don't

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think it was the right time for
the book to come out.

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And then finished the book at
the end of 2021, early 2022 and

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then so that had been a 20 year
process at that point.

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So I went to publish my book on
Amazon.

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I self published it and I was
clicking the button.

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I was like man, I'm going to
sleep so well tonight.

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This is 20 years worth of
efforts that I'm finally, you

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know, this is the culmination.
I'm super excited.

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Here we go.
I'm gonna sleep.

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So well, I clicked the button to
publish the book and then I did

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not sleep well that night.
I was up till 4:00 in the

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morning and I was seeing in my
mind's eye imagery from my book

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but in like a cinematic format.
And it felt like I was being

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shown.
That was the next step.

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And so it was a little bit much
for me.

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And I was like, I just said her
prayers, like, OK, Heavenly

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Father, if this is what you
want, then you'll have to send

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me someone who can work with
video like that, because I don't

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have the skill for that, for
what I was seeing.

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And then I was contacted about
AI Mean.

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It was less than a month later
by a documentary filmmaker.

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And he said that he saw my book.
He's a documentary filmmaker.

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It looks like my book should be
made into a documentary.

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Was I open to talking with him?
And it was actually a someone

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who was a Facebook friend of
mine who I'd never met.

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I don't even know how we became
Facebook friends, but we met up

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another month or two later and
this was again, this was in

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2022, summer of 2022 at this
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And it was like, yeah, this is,
we're on the same page here.

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We're going to move forward with
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And I was like, well, there's
one problem.

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I have no money.
I can't pay you anything.

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And he said, well, we'll just,
we'll just take the steps in the

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direction and the money will
come.

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He's like that's been my
experience.

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So it then it was a whole year
later that we that we got

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funding.
But during that year we were

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both you know I was putting a
significant amount of effort

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into the documentary with with
no funding And he was also you

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know we did some recorded some
interviews and he put together

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the trailer and we we had things
that we we interviewed James

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Lindsay without funding and
brought him to Saint George and

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and figured it out somehow.
But really and truly, there's so

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many areas of divine
intervention, I can't even tell

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you so.
That is absolutely awesome.

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I know, I know That feeling of
of feeling like, OK, I'm done,

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right?
And then God's like, that's

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cute.
Look at you.

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And I got something else for you
to do, right?

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So I I get that.
Just as you're getting images of

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this, are you feeling
overwhelmed at all that?

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Hey, now we're gonna turn this
into a documentary.

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Well, what's what was
overwhelming was the first, I

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mean the day of filming.
So what I saw in my mind's eye

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was the reenactment footage that
we ended up filming at the end

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of October, middle of October.
And it was a Soviet class scenes

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of indoctrination in a Soviet
classroom.

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And then indoctrination scenes
in a modern American woke

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classroom in which the teacher
and the students are wearing

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these woke goggles, as I call
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And I and I call them woke
goggles, I think in my book, but

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I anyways, it was, it was wild
to, you know, I ordered vintage

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Soviet school uniforms from the
former Soviet Union and red

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pioneer, young Pioneer, red
neckerchiefs and linen pens like

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all like vintage.
And that was wild for, you know,

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the months.
And then we did auditions for

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actors, and the two main actors
that we needed were like way

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better than I was even hoping.
Then the filming, the day of

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filming, again, this is filming
scenes of indoctrination.

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It's at 6:00 in the morning.
I'm driving to our filming

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location in San Pete County,
Utah, actually.

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And what song pops on the radio
at 6:00 in the morning but Pink

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Floyd's?
Another brick in the wall.

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Yes.
Yep.

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So that was my that was my
soundtrack driving to filming

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and filming was wild.
And then seeing, seeing the

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footage in the trailer for the
first time.

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It brought me to tears and then
I actually haven't.

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I'm actually have not seen the
film yet.

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I'm actually going to be seeing
the seeing it today for the

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first time.
I haven't my the first full cut.

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I mean, I've seen all the
interview footage and I gave all

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the content to my filmmaker, but
he takes everything I give him

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and makes it way better.
So I'm super excited to see this

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first cut and then we're going
to make some changes and some

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cuts because it's too long, I
think right now.

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But I can't wait.
There's certain scenes that I

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can't wait to see.
But I really feel, I don't know,

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I feel people are like, oh, how
you're not qualified to be a a

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writer and a director for a
film.

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I'm like, well, I have a
filmmaker who does the film

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part.
And for me, like it wasn't hard.

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I felt like everything was
inspired, like to know how to

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put the film together.
It didn't even.

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It was easy.
You know, that is one of the

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most insidious things I think
people and the adversary come at

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you with is you're not
qualified.

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As I've talked with parents
about homeschooling, which which

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we do with our kids, and I was
the guy least likely to

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homeschool as kids, right?
Part of our kids went all the

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way through public school.
And then I saw it get real nasty

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and I was like, well, I guess
I'm going to be the weird parent

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now and we're going to jerk our
kids.

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But all the way through like
when we pulled our kids out of

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school, it was you're not
qualified, right.

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And and sometimes I think people
and and want to keep you in this

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box, right, like you're you're
you're stepping outside of where

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you're supposed to be.
This is your box.

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You got to stay in this box.
In the meantime, God's got other

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plans.
And I think sometimes we can

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allow ourselves to become
overwhelmed with that message of

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you're not qualified to do these
things.

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And I think it's a beautiful
testimony, which what you're

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doing here of of breaking that
box of saying, no, this is my

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calling.
God gave this to me for whatever

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reason, I'm qualified.
And if I'm not qualified in

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something, he'll give me the
resources I need to make it

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qualified.
So I think.

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That's a beautiful testimony to
that.

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Yeah, I mean I'll, I'll just,
I'll just share one more kind of

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really interesting thing about
how we got funded.

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That was a whole thing.
I mean we were at the end of the

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rope like man, if we don't get
funding now then this project is

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dead in the water.
Then that was just you know this

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summer of this year and we'd
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main interviews and for the
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to continue.
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funding the documentary is a
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other side of the country, a
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friends with them and they were
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Coast visiting and they were
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like, man, have you ever heard
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And they're like, actually,
yeah, we're bringing him to

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Utah, like in two weeks to speak
to, to be on our podcast, Do you

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Want?
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at my fundraiser and they're
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And then we had a AVIP dinner
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and he was there and he, he came
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He's like, I think I want to
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Like what?
You know, what does this

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involve?
And then the guy's name, he's

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our executive producer now.
His name is Christian Palacios.

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He's actually his family
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when he was a baby.
His name means Christian Palaces

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in Spanish.
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What did the Soviets destroy?
They demolished the Christian

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palaces, they demolished the
churches, and now someone named

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Christian Palaces is funding a
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communism and exposes the plot
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Anyways, it's I got the chills
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that.
That's crazy.

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So through the through the
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ready to go, did you discover
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book?
Oh yeah.

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Yeah, if it's not spilling the
beans too much, can you fill us

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in on a little bit of that?
Yeah, so my book has things that

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we don't have time to go into in
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then and vice versa because I
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interviewed all these amazing
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breaking information out.
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Lisa Logan and Alex Newman, they
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world religion that the UN is
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religion of diversity, equity,
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And so that was not anything in
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I had not researched that.
I mean, maybe I had seen a

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little bit about it also the the
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theme, but the issue with
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to entrap Christians, that's
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documentary and and more whole
child education.

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Can you explain what what what
what you mean by using Christian

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Nationalism as a trapped,
trapped Christians?

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What?
What does that mean?

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So I I'm not going to spill the

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full beans on this one, but we
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I actually interviewed James
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just on this topic when we were
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Because this is, this is
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brewing.
And you know he's he's kind of

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got a brain bigger than most of
us and he's been delving in all

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and he understands how all this
works and and Andy won't, won't

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even go into all the details.
Basically this whole Christian

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nationalism thing, it's a trap
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It means everything from you and
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Christians and who love America.
Two.

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There's like two people who are
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Christian America where the
government is an authoritarian

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Christian where like by law, you
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Religion, yeah.
Yes.

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So there's like two people who
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But actually these guys are like
ringleaders and have huge

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followings.
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of people, and they might not
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operatives.
In fact, there is evidence that

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they're operatives to lead
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authoritarian direction.
And then they might catch a few

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but not catch all.
And then maybe there's something

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that comes up and there's some
scuffle that just kind of like

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January 6th, there were people
who infiltrated that were bad

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actors that cast a dark shadow
on all of the Trump supporters,

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as you know, dangerous and
whatnot.

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Even though that was definitely
not the case, there could be a

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similar type situation where
then all Christians and all

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Christians who love America
could be cast into when some

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kind of event takes place, and
there's evidence that that is

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brewing.
OK, no, that makes that makes

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sense.
And and I mean look as as a

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Mormon, I mean I'm not sure
there's another Christian

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religion out there that says
that that the the the

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Declaration of Independence and
the and the Constitution are are

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darn near scripture, right.
And so it would be real easy.

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Now having said that I'm not in
favor of of having my religion

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mandated by the government.
I don't want the things I

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believe being mandated from
behind the the the Oval Office.

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Right.
I I want freedom of religion.

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I want people to be able to
choose your religion, lack of

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religion, whatever it is.
And and I find it very

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disturbing because those things,
here's what they don't

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understand when they play these
games.

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Right.
Is that OK?

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Right now your guy is saying
what you want, but what happens

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when it's not your guy?
And there's only one thing

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Barack Obama ever said about the
Constitution I agree with and he

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said that the that the the
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negative liberties against
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You're 100% correct.
That's exactly what it's

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designed to do.
And so, yeah, to fall into that

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trap and it's so seductive to a
lot of folks because they're

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like finally a guy saying the
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they don't.
So it's really hard to take a

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step back, taking motion out of
it and look at it and just say

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is this a good thing?
So that's that's why.

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Well, there there was a there
was an event that took place a

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couple weeks ago.
There was this, that satanic

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altar put up at that courthouse,
was it in Iowa?

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And then a guy came and
beheaded.

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The Christian guy came and
beheaded and destroyed and

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smashed that altar.
And I mean, that's a kind of, I

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mean, no one was injured.
And I personally am not a fan of

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Satanism and don't want Satanic
altars up at, you know, county

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courthouses or whatever that
with the state capitol or

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whatever it was.
But the Christian nationalists,

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the few ones that, like, really
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nationalists and they want that
authoritarianism, they're like,

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Oh yes, we're gonna smash all
the altars.

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They're going back into like an
Old Testament framework that

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they're trying to capture.
This is what it looks like to

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me.
So interacting with these people

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on Twitter X and they're wanting
to capture.

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So because there's been so much
silence against evil on the part

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of the the Church in general.
And so someone is, oh, finally

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someone is standing up.
But now this person is pushing

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towards this authoritarian
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And we just have to be careful
that, you know, we support the

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Constitution because that is the
framework that is the answer.

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Just like you said, freedom of
religion or people can choose

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not to have a religion.
We don't need, we don't want in

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America a government that
dictates religion to us.

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Absolutely.
Absolutely.

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What was it like working with
some of those bigger names, like

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James Lindsay?
Well, James is awesome.

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And Trevor Loudon, I mean
they're they're, I really,

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really appreciate them.
Very down to earth, very humble

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and very genuine.
James is of course a genius.

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I mean Trevor is too like and
they come at you know, exposing

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communism from completely
different angles.

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Alex Newman, Wow, the interview
we did with him is just power

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packed.
I mean, every single interview

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that I did, whether it was it
with a big name like James

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Lindsay or an unknown person who
is an activist on the ground

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exposing critical race theory in
the school, like my friend

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Carrie Bartholomew.
I mean, every interview there's

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just so much.
I mean it's it's really hard to

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cut this film.
I mean, we could have made a

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docu series with the amount of
content that we have, really

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high quality content.
But I'd say everyone that I

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interviewed, it was just a great
pleasure.

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And we're going to have James
Lindsay and Trevor Loudon at all

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of our premieres here in
Phoenix, Saint George and Lehigh

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and for people to be able to
take pictures with them.

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And then also we have VIP
tickets where people can hang

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out with them after the film and
hang out with, I mean, I'm not a

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big name, but myself and my
filmmaker Steve will be there

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and different other people in
the film.

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But yeah, James and Trevor are
the real deal.

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Real patriots, real freedom
lovers, and extremely

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knowledgeable about the
communist agendas.

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You know, I was.
I just did another podcast.

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I haven't released it yet.
It'll probably come out right

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after yours, but we talked with
a woman named Chelsea who's big

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on candy.
Chelsea.

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OK.
Yeah.

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Chelsea is awesome, She.
Is awesome.

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I just talked with her just a
few days ago and one of the

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things that really struck me was
how how important it seems to

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the left seems to have.
And when I'm talking to left,

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I'm not talking about, you know,
a Kennedy type Democrat, right.

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I'm talking about the, the, the.
Far.

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Left, far left, right.
But those are the ones really

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driving the narrative right now.
So I'm.

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I'm going to use that.
But they seem to have two states

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that they are really targeting
hard right now.

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One is Texas and the other is
Utah.

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And I feel like I have a buddy
who lives down in Texas He's

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like things are weird.
Something's happening and you

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can see it in Utah and and as I
looked at this and and I kind of

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looked at this from a oh a 3000
foot view if you will, what I

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began to understand is both Utah
and Texas are somewhat anomalies

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within the Union.
Texas has a very strong Texas

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culture which is founded in you
know, Republican style

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democracy, right.
People forget that Texas was

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five states before it joined the
Union.

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I mean, and and they actually
have a trigger law where they

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can essentially go back to that
if they so need.

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I mean, they're they're serious
about.

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I was born in Texas and I went
to elementary school in Texas,

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so I am very aware you're.
Very familiar, right?

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Yes.
When when when we moved from

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North Dakota, we there were two
job offers I have that I was

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considering seriously.
One was in Utah and the other

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was in San Antonio and we we
obviously chose Utah to be

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closer to family and stuff.
But Utah's unique in the sense

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again because of of Mormon
beliefs, right.

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It's it's in the scriptures
itself in DNC that it says, you

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know the these founding
documents are God inspired,

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right?
And there's been a long history

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of patriotism within Utah.
I feel like the left says, OK,

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if we can take down these two
states, we can take down

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anything else.
And so it it's been hard to get

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people to wake up and
understand, look, this is not

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good stuff, you know, 'cause
they frame it as we're on the

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cutting edge of things.
We're we're doing amazing

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things.
This 15 minute city out by

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Lehigh, I mean, but it's not
good stuff, right?

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Because the forces involved are
seeking to subvert liberty and

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freedom and it's something we
have to be on, on guard for.

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Right.
And Utahans are we're trusting

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because most most of us are are
good people and we're not

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sitting around plotting about
how to harm and and subjugate

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other people.
So we don't assume that everyone

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is out to get us.
And then there's kind of like a

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bit of a a follower mentality
And then if someone has an R

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next to their name and they're a
card carrying member of the

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church that and someone says
they were nice.

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Sure, let's get get them all
into politics here.

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So.
Absolutely, absolutely.

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When I heard I I saw another
interview with James Lindsay

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while he was in Utah and I can't
remember who it was with.

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It's driving me nuts.
But he basically said you guys

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are not far away from going the
way of California, essentially.

451
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Yeah, well, he that was my
fundraiser event where he spoke.

452
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320
I mean, yeah, that he spoke last
summer and that was the topic

453
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,560
was the threats to that against
Utah.

454
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,640
What did you find out about the
threats to Utah?

455
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,040
I'm guessing that that that the
documentary's not too Utah

456
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,600
specific.
No, we don't go into Utah

457
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,320
specifically at all.
In the documentary.

458
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,720
It's the threats to Christianity
and to our children.

459
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,080
But I mean, Chelsea is really
the expert on on, you know,

460
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,840
threats to Utah.
But I mean, our media is very

461
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,280
deeply subverted.
Church is not speaking out for

462
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,840
whatever reason, and people can
come to their own conclusions on

463
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,320
that.
We have all these rhinos.

464
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,120
They're honestly like, I'm not
the expert.

465
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,320
I've, I've been following the We
Are the People podcast again and

466
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,200
Chelsea does a lot of interviews
with them, exposing things as as

467
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920
do other people.
They are under heavy attack

468
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,840
right now.
For all that they're exposing

469
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
very dark underbelly of things
in Utah.

470
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,560
Again, because it's anything
but.

471
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,360
The truer people believe their
their church is, the more they

472
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,480
believe that they are a Zion
community or supposed to become

473
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,040
that, the greater that would be
a target for the dark forces to

474
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,920
infiltrate.
And even Jesus is one, one of

475
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,960
his own apostles was a son of
perdition.

476
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,040
So, you know, and Jesus gave
multiple warnings about wolves

477
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,160
in sheep's clothing.
So, you know, we can see that,

478
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,800
you know, within the government
here in Utah and otherwise and

479
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,000
honestly everywhere where
there's good, there's going to

480
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,760
be evil seeking to infiltrate.
Absolutely.

481
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Have you gotten much pushback
since the book and the and the

482
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:56,640
movie went into production?
Yeah, I mean, I had a a thinly

483
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,960
veiled death threat after I was
on the Kate Dali Show in 2022

484
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,520
and I had someone pose.
I I don't do reflexology

485
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
anymore, but I was still doing
reflexology.

486
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,640
I had someone pose as a
reflexology client and it was

487
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,520
clear that they were trying to
set me up and get me to say

488
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560
things.
And that's a whole other topic.

489
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,840
After my fundraiser and after I
posted on social media a picture

490
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,320
with myself and all of the
people at my fundraiser,

491
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,280
including Jason and Alexia
Preston with We Are The People

492
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,920
podcast here in Utah and James
Lindsay and Trevor Loudon.

493
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,040
I posted a picture saying we're
going to give communism a black

494
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
eye.
And then I go out on a walk in

495
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,240
the evening and I had a truck
rush, you know, Rev up its

496
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,760
engine toward me and throw.
They threw a lit firecracker at

497
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,880
me and then drove off.
And it was 2 adult males in the

498
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,920
truck.
They weren't teenagers.

499
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,680
Yeah, I have security cameras
now.

500
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,840
I've had other things happen.
And then I'm, you know, some

501
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040
people might think this is
crazy, but probably not you.

502
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,560
I'm very sensitive spiritually
and I've been under there's

503
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:05,200
spiritual attack and so I have
to do various things in that

504
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,960
regard as well.
So I'm sure there's much more to

505
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,760
come, unfortunately, but Oh
well.

506
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,680
That's that's amazing.
You know, I I've experienced a

507
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,760
little bit of that myself and
that's not a fun place to be.

508
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,280
It takes a little bit of grit
and and a lot of tenacity to be

509
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,200
able to withstand some of that.
So good, good for you for for

510
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,440
for being able to do that.
As you were working through the

511
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,200
process of of getting this
documentary up and running, what

512
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,640
was what was the the the hardest
challenge you think?

513
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Was it the funding?
Was it something else?

514
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Yeah, it was not being able to
pay my bills because I was, I

515
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,440
felt that I had to do this
project and you know, also

516
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,240
juggling that with homeschooling
my son.

517
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,320
But I was really, really
blessed, And I am really blessed

518
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,200
that I have some really close
friends and also my dad who

519
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,960
believed in me and were very
supportive.

520
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,880
And without that support, it
would have been impossible.

521
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,040
And then the fact that Steve, my
filmmaker, when I were totally

522
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,200
on board, he and his wife
totally on board with the

523
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,080
content, even in spite of the
fact, you know, when I first met

524
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,360
them, I was like, look, there's
some controversial stuff here.

525
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Like, are you guys sure you want
to?

526
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,080
And they're like, Yep, we're
we're in for it.

527
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,360
I'm like, OK, all right.
But yeah, it was.

528
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,080
It was the financial lack at
times and and of course some

529
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,040
people saying oh you just that's
not going to work.

530
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,680
You just go get a job.
I'm like, well this is what I'm

531
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,480
supposed to do.
So I'm going to do it until it's

532
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,680
not possible to as long as I
it's possible for me to keep

533
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240
working on it, I will.
And I just had you know

534
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040
resources show up.
I'm grateful to their people who

535
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,480
donated.
There were many people who

536
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,120
donated small amounts and larger
amounts last spring and summer

537
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,640
and because of them the film was
able to to move forward.

538
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,680
And I'm very grateful.
Some people are like, oh, I'm

539
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,440
sorry, I only could donate $20.
I'm like, you have no idea.

540
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,920
Every, every dollar of that was
so helpful.

541
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200
But yeah, so it's it's a huge
hurdle when you're making a

542
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,160
film.
You know the cost of it, the

543
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,480
cost to bring to people to
interview, the cost of

544
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,920
everything.
What kept you going spiritually

545
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,560
through this process, right?
Because there's times, I can

546
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,800
only imagine what it would be
like to be in the production

547
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,280
phase of a film, right.
I understand the writing, the

548
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,920
book part that is, that's a
grind, right?

549
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,880
It it.
Absolutely.

550
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Is a grind.
But filmmaking isn't something

551
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,480
I've even ever thought about or
considered.

552
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,760
What kept you going spiritually
as as those forces start

553
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,880
grinding on you?
Well, honestly, the book for me

554
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,440
was much harder to write than
the script for the film.

555
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Because what I did for the
script of the film as I had the

556
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,200
transcripts of all these amazing
interviews with these highly

557
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,920
knowledgeable people and there
were so many great Nuggets to

558
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800
string together using my book as
a guide.

559
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,080
You know, as a format and then
just, you know, my narrations to

560
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400
kind of fill in any holes, that
was easy.

561
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,440
And then the actual part like on
the computer like editing, I'm

562
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760
not doing that work.
That's that's Steve's job.

563
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,400
I know it's been overwhelming
for him.

564
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,520
He's says that he's he's super
excited to share with me the cut

565
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,880
that he's going to share with me
today and he's it moves him to

566
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,680
tears to watch it, he said.
But really and truly, for me,

567
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,000
the hardest part was the book.
Can't get enough of the Mormon

568
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Well, good news, we're on

569
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579
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582
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583
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Go to Patreon today and get your

584
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,520
exclusive content.
But really and truly, for me,

585
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,120
the hardest part was the book.
Gotcha.

586
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120
It was, yeah.
And that was also, I wrote most

587
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,160
of it at a time when when it was
not.

588
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,080
It was very, very, very fringe
to consider a communism

589
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,480
overtaking America in any way.
And I had very few people who

590
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,280
believed in me.
I had a few friends who believed

591
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,120
in me, but I it was not
something that most people

592
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,280
believed in at that time.
Now that feels like my

593
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,199
documentary is was God his bra?
He's bringing it forth at just

594
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,920
the right time where it can have
the maximal impact, and so it's

595
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,400
exciting.
Nice.

596
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120
You talked about your son there.
Just a minute.

597
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,920
And you know, no ages, no names,
nothing like that.

598
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,000
But he must have.
What a cool experience for him,

599
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,400
because I'm guessing he's
probably kind of glued to your

600
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040
hip throughout this process,
right?

601
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,239
I mean, he has been on trips
with me.

602
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,280
He's young.
He's, he's third, third grade.

603
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Yeah.
I mean, he's been on some

604
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,240
interview trips with me and you
know, the content is too mature

605
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,160
for him.
You know, it's not for children.

606
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,280
We're like I we're exposed to
what communism really is in this

607
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,480
film and including the horrors
of the gulag that have not been

608
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,560
really exposed to Americans
properly.

609
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,760
But I mean, I don't know, I, I,
I guess when he's older, I'll

610
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,200
ask him what it's been like for
him.

611
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,840
But he doesn't, doesn't, hasn't
known anything else and you know

612
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,720
he has different different
friends that he goes and plays

613
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,560
at their house so I can get work
done.

614
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,960
So he's not with me 24/7, but.
Cool.

615
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,760
I was just thinking my kids help
me with with the podcast my my

616
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,600
217 year olds and it's it's been
fun to work with them on things

617
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,880
and and even though your son's a
little younger I dare to say he

618
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,640
probably he probably remembers
remembers yeah some of what what

619
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,560
happened here and someday he'll
see his mom on TV or you know or

620
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,880
something and and that'll be
something he can look back on.

621
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,240
Well, he got to be on TV.
Was it a week and a half ago?

622
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,480
I was doing actually ATV
interview and he got into a

623
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:15,400
fight in the next room with his
friend and it was very loud, so

624
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,080
he got to be on TV with that.
Won't make that mistake again.

625
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Won't have friends over playing
with him when I'm doing

626
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,240
interviews, but.
That's that's awesome.

627
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,040
You know, I'll say this about,
you know, being a grandfather

628
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,440
now when your kids do something,
it's cute to everybody else but

629
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,760
you.
So I I wouldn't sweat that too

630
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,920
terribly much.
What was your biggest fear in in

631
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:47,120
going forward with the film?
I've kind of had the fear beaten

632
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,200
out of me, 'cause I had some
pretty major losses in my life.

633
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,000
And so when you've already lost
almost everything, you don't

634
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,840
really have that much fear of
loss because you've already lost

635
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640
everything and survived.
So I don't know.

636
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880
That's my best answer.
No, I think I already lost

637
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,200
everything so.
I I think that's that's

638
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,880
brilliant.
Sometimes, like when people

639
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,160
encounter hardships, they they
really have two options, right?

640
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,560
You can let that hardship beat
you down and define who you're

641
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,640
going to be, or you can just
keep plugging away at whatever

642
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,840
it is you're doing.
And at some point those failures

643
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,520
become strengths, right?
It's like building up calloused

644
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,520
hands.
You you're like well, if if you

645
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,360
know I I've said before and I've
lost one job over the podcast

646
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,920
already, but I've I've always
said as long as I got my family,

647
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,680
I can restart this thing anytime
I need right if I go down to 0.

648
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,960
But I think that only comes
through through a wisdom that's

649
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,320
only granted through hardship.
Yeah, I this is actually one

650
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,920
thing I really want to share
since you're you're taking this

651
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,280
interview on like kind of my
journey with the documentary.

652
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,480
I really feel that one of the
the the things that I want to

653
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,520
share with people is like I can
look over my lifetime and I can

654
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,840
see going back many decades all
the preparation for me to be at

655
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
the top of the point where I'm
at where this documentary is

656
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,680
coming out and hopefully making
a significant impact for good.

657
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,920
And there were many losses and
many lessons.

658
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Every skill that I had gained
with my entrepreneurial

659
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,880
activities, almost all of those
skills are translating into

660
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,480
helping me succeed with this.
My website, my background, my,

661
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
you know, dealing with emails
and contact managers.

662
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,440
And I mean, that's just the tip
of the iceberg.

663
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,280
Every skill, almost every skill
that I've developed is

664
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,520
translating and also my ability
to deal with controversial

665
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,280
content.
I had a previous blog and book

666
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:07,440
and online video blog years ago
that was controversial and that

667
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,040
got pretty big.
And then I had, you know, some

668
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,400
kind of big things happen with
that.

669
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,280
And so even being able to deal
with haters and trolls, I've

670
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,880
dealt with so many haters and
trolls over the years and

671
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,960
dealing with narcissists,
honestly, in my personal life,

672
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,600
the Marxist operatives out there
on the Internet, they, they use

673
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640
the same tactics as narcissists.
They use narcissistic abuse

674
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,560
tactics to shame and silence
people.

675
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,920
And I've had enough experience,
my martial arts experience.

676
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,240
I was trained, trained in a
martial art for three, 3, 1/2

677
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:45,600
years.
And my sparring experience with

678
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
martial arts translates into
dealing with these trolls online

679
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,080
as well.
I it's it's crazy how all the

680
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,160
many things have come together.
And again, I see a lot of the

681
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,520
people who are doing a lot of
exposing things right now and

682
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,800
risking things.
They're people who, I mean

683
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,960
they're they're being willing to
sacrifice.

684
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,880
Or there are people who already
don't have much to lose.

685
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,720
They've already lost everything.
But I'm hoping that more and

686
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,280
more people can realize that
there is something for them to

687
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,560
do.
You know, there is something for

688
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,000
each of us here to do that we're
being prepared for.

689
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,960
And I want to encourage people
to tune in to understand what

690
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,480
that is and to have faith that
that they'll be able to do

691
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,320
whatever it is they're called to
do because that's what we need.

692
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,960
We need millions and millions of
people.

693
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,040
I feel like.
I feel like I'm called to change

694
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,000
the world and I feel like you're
called to change the world too.

695
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,280
Whatever our sphere of this
world is and that's what it

696
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,880
takes for that's what it's going
to take for us to to reinstitute

697
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,600
freedom and at the helm of ours
of our nation.

698
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,480
It's going to take millions of
people who are doing some risky

699
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,880
things to with the vet they're
personally called to do so.

700
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,320
Please, I hope that people will
will do that.

701
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,720
That is so beautifully said.
And that's something I have felt

702
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,320
for quite a while as as far as
our liberty and our country go.

703
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Again, we need to have another
moment individually between US

704
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,760
and God and maybe those that
that we associate with and we

705
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,800
surround ourselves with where
where we maybe have to say the

706
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,600
words again like the founders
did our wives fortunes and

707
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,720
sacred honor on the line.
And that's going to be, that's

708
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:38,840
really the way out of this.
I was a guy forever who who

709
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,000
looked for another founder, so
to speak, right?

710
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,720
Someone who had those qualities
and I would get excited about a

711
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,480
guy and then it would go in
flames, right?

712
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,560
He'd get Co opted somehow or
whatever.

713
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,360
And what I realized is that we
got to stop looking for the one

714
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,560
guy.
He's just not out there.

715
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,240
But but there's a lot of us and
if we can just take the time to

716
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,480
get heard I think that's that's
huge and and when when I see

717
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,360
someone like yourself who who
writes a book over a 20 year

718
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,640
period just tenacity just
tenacious not going to give up

719
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,560
on it and then to have that be
able to roll into a documentary

720
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,160
that's that's huge inspiring
stuff and and I think you're

721
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,400
right there and I've said this
before if you're listening to

722
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,920
this podcast it's not an
accident right.

723
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:39,120
I mean the you you bumped into a
Mormon fundamentalist podcast.

724
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400
I mean you're you're not here by
accident and and I've I've said

725
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,080
there's something for people to
do you just have to find out

726
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,200
what it is.
I mean, that's the hardest part.

727
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,000
It's just find out what it is
and then go at it with reckless,

728
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,240
abandoned I.
What were you gonna say?

729
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,720
Sorry.
No, no, no, no.

730
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:05,320
Go ahead.
So, so we've covered kind of

731
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,560
your what what some of your
fears were about doing this.

732
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,720
Now let's let's roll into this.
What are you hoping happens with

733
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,800
the movie?
That's a very good question.

734
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,920
I mean it will, it will depend
on.

735
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,320
I mean it is depending on many
other people who are who I've

736
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,280
interacted with, who I've met,
who are, you know, saying, you

737
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,600
know, please let me know how I
can help you promote this film.

738
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,760
I mean, my ultimate goal is that
this film will be used as a tool

739
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,440
to help nullify the agendas
against Christians in America,

740
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,480
nullify, meaning making those
agendas so they cannot come to

741
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,320
fruition.
If enough people understand the

742
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,040
communist playbook to destroy
Christianity, they can just say

743
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,800
no, we're not doing that.
We're not falling for that.

744
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,840
We're not going down that road
and at the same time to nullify

745
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,840
the the communist agendas within
the schools to capture our

746
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,720
children.
If enough people understand

747
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,080
these agendas and say no, we're
not doing that, we'll do

748
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:13,160
anything but that that is that.
That is my goal.

749
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:19,240
That, that I mean, I hope that
enough people see this, that the

750
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,560
things that I expose in the book
and documentary become part of

751
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,240
the mainstream understanding.
That's a lot.

752
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,920
But it's not my message.
I'm just, I just grabbed the

753
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,000
baton and I decided to go ahead
and run with it.

754
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,880
So it's it's truth and it's what
the portion of truth that I feel

755
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,000
called to expose and it's
absolutely crucial at this time.

756
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,920
So I hope people, you know, it's
going to be available online on

757
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,040
Rumble and also my website.
Beneath Sheep's clothing dot

758
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,320
movie.
You can people can get tickets

759
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,720
now beneath Sheep's clothing dot
movie to online and to stream it

760
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,440
will be $12.00.
It's $150.00 to stream it for

761
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,360
like a whole church or a whole
large group.

762
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,600
And then our premier tickets are
more expensive because we're

763
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,840
bringing James Lindsay and
Trevor Loudon and people will be

764
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,040
able to meet them and then get
their, you know, their remarks

765
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,400
after the film.
And that's really, I hope a lot

766
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,280
of the activists here in Utah
who the freedom activists will

767
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,000
come to the live premiere and I
hope people will watch it again,

768
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480
not for little kids, but I would
say 14 and up.

769
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Really important to view.
I I think that that was exactly

770
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,520
where I was going to go next is
is age appropriateness you you

771
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,880
feel 14 is a good age on that.
I mean, I think if parents are,

772
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
parents probably should watch it
first.

773
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,800
So think of like, what?
What age you would be OK with

774
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,120
your kids learning really ugly
things about the Holocaust and

775
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,520
seeing images, and that's the
age.

776
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,600
OK, well, you're probably
talking to the wrong guy for

777
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,280
that because I was kind of, you
know, it obviously wasn't 6, but

778
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,720
once my kids hit about 12, I'm
like, OK. 12 yeah.

779
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,600
Some people 12 was is that.
Yeah.

780
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:15,960
I at at that point I thought
you're you're ready for this.

781
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,560
And I'm also a big believer in
the reason our kids don't

782
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,800
perform a lot of times is
because we don't we don't set

783
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,680
any expectations.
I mean when when we look back

784
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,480
and see Washington being Fairfax
County, Fairfax County,

785
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,600
Virginia's county surveyor and
gleeting expeditions at 16.

786
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,440
I I don't think we've done our
kids any favors by trying to

787
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,000
shelter them from the world.
I think all we've done is is

788
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,600
further cripple them.
I don't want kids to be

789
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,440
traumatized.
I will say, like, some of the

790
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,320
gulag stuff is really intense.
And then Steve's filmmaking

791
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,120
skills are so good that it
brings a lot of emotion behind

792
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,160
it.
And so people just need to,

793
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,880
like, know their children.
My son is very sensitive, so

794
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,120
he's 9, like I said.
So you know, he's not going to

795
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,440
see the film yet for sure.
But yeah, if parents are like on

796
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,760
the edge, they should see it
first.

797
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,160
But it's something that I do
hope can help many.

798
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560
There's a lot of kids that are,
you know, being slowly

799
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,040
indoctrinated, and many of them
are not fully indoctrinated.

800
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,000
I hope this film can be a way to
bring them back to sanity.

801
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,240
Right, absolutely.
What made you decide to go with

802
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,560
Phoenix as your as your launch?
Yeah, so we we had a booth last

803
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,360
week and the week, well a week
and a half ago now at America

804
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Fest from Turning Point USA.
And also two people I

805
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,400
interviewed in the film are in
Phoenix, Robert Wallace, who's

806
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,440
the chapter head of Gays Against
Groomers for Arizona and Seek

807
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,760
Smith, who is the founder of Mom
Army and they are very well

808
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,840
connected with patriot groups in
Phoenix and Arizona.

809
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,440
And then a lot of the people
not, I mean there's a lot of

810
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,320
people from other places, but
we're like, well, we have Robert

811
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,040
and Seek on the ground here.
They and Seek offered to help us

812
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,880
organize that Phoenix premiere.
And since we were promoting,

813
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,040
promoting it very heavily at
America Fest, we actually had

814
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,360
they played our trailer from the
mainstage in addition to us

815
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,920
having a booth.
So we thought and also Phoenix,

816
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,960
AZ is a really crucial state, so
and it's driving distance from

817
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Utah.
So for those reasons and then

818
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,960
we'll also do one in South
Florida.

819
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,400
My executive producer is there
and then South Florida is a

820
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,480
hotbed of conservative activism
right now.

821
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,800
And then we have someone who
wants us to do one in Hollywood

822
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,120
too.
So maybe we will.

823
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,360
I don't know.
Talk about parachuting behind

824
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,560
enemy lines.
Holy cow.

825
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,800
Yeah.
Florida, I I've come to love

826
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,800
Florida here lately with what
they've done.

827
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,480
But yeah, going to Hollywood
that that would be that would be

828
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,960
crazy.
Have you gotten much interest

829
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,120
from churches or or liberty
groups or something like that on

830
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,960
showing the film?
Well, yeah.

831
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,120
I was interviewed a few weeks
ago by, what's his name again,

832
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,480
he's, he leads up a group of
pastors, black robe regiment

833
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,280
pastors to try to infuse liberty
back into the churches.

834
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,680
And he has a group of 5000
pastors that that he works with.

835
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,440
And he interviewed me and he's
going to bring me back to be

836
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,080
part of his pastors huddle a few
times in the next year.

837
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,520
And I think he wants to promote
the film pretty heavily for

838
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:47,120
those pastors.
Yeah.

839
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,560
But otherwise in terms of
churches, I mean, well I met

840
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,320
actually, I met some people just
at America Fest who are liberty

841
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,520
loving, anti communist churches.
So a lot of them connected with

842
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,840
Turning Point USA faith.
So, but I mean I hope, I hope

843
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,080
all Christians will watch it and
I hope that that that people

844
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,640
won't take offence.
I mean, it's not pretty to look

845
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,600
at the possibility of
infiltration of one's church.

846
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,120
It's it's people can get
defensive.

847
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,040
My goal, I will just say my
goal, is not to tear down faith.

848
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:25,480
My goal is to empower people,
empower Christians to understand

849
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,320
this playbook, to destroy
Christianity so they can root it

850
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,320
out of their churches.
Not to destroy faith.

851
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,800
I want.
I would like faith to increase,

852
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,240
not decrease.
Yeah, really.

853
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,400
As you look at the struggle
against communism, right,

854
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,280
however, it's veiled, whether
it's critical theory, whether

855
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,360
it's, you know, a a soft,
maternal form of socialism.

856
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,120
It all requires a degradation of
religion.

857
00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:01,760
It cannot survive in a certainly
a judeo-christian ethic.

858
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,000
It doesn't work.
The two are like night and day,

859
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,800
old and hot.
Well, communism is the inversion

860
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,040
of Christianity, so there's
that.

861
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,960
What's that?
Explain that how is it the

862
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,280
inversion of Christianity?
Well, I mean communism, it makes

863
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,640
all these promises.
Oh, we're going to take care of

864
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,600
the the, the oppressed, and
everyone's going to have bread,

865
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,080
land and peace and equity and
all these things.

866
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,040
And then what does it deliver
but torment, impoverishment,

867
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,960
enslavement, and death.
That's what communism delivers.

868
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Christianity.
Now it's a harder Rd.

869
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,520
But Christianity is also about
helping the oppressed.

870
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Christ came to save each one of
us who is oppressed by our sins

871
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,080
and from whatever other
situations we might be oppressed

872
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,640
by.
Christianity is about this

873
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,440
individual relationship with
God.

874
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,240
It's it's an individual thing.
We're saved.

875
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,840
Individually, Communism is this
collectivist thing.

876
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,440
You're saved as you're saved.
They're seeking to set up this,

877
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,280
you know, communists all from
the beginning.

878
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,360
Their goal is to set up a
communist, godless worker's

879
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,360
paradise on earth and where they
are, the gods on top and they

880
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:25,080
there can be no other God.
One of the ways that Marxism is

881
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,480
spreading in America, it's by
using the the compassion,

882
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,320
weaponizing the compassion of
Americans.

883
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,320
Because again, have all these
nice phrases of yeah, you know,

884
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,040
we're going to be anti racist
and we're going to lift up the

885
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,240
oppressed people.
But then the solutions they

886
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,920
offer are all the exact
opposite.

887
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,960
Christianity and Judaism has a
framework of principles of of

888
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,200
right and wrong Communism.
There is no right and wrong.

889
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,560
If you're doing something in the
name of helping the oppressed.

890
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,040
It's right by definition.
Even if it's murder, even if

891
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,960
it's genocide, if it's for the
oppressed, go ahead and commit

892
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,080
the genocide.
So it's very disturbing.

893
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:14,280
People will often forget that
the Nazis were socialists before

894
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,680
they ever began liquidating
people.

895
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,280
And Hitler and Jesus only had
two things ever in common.

896
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,720
They both said, come, come with
me and I'll feed you.

897
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,640
One ended up in the gas chambers
and the other ended up you know,

898
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:36,200
changing the world and and gave
the the basis for for the West

899
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,440
that we have known up to this
point.

900
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,280
Right.
Let me ask this one other

901
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,480
question.
I'm gonna let you go.

902
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,600
I know you're you're up against
a hard break here.

903
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:54,080
But through this whole process,
as you look at the book that you

904
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,680
wrote, the documentary you and
others have made, where do you

905
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:07,360
think America sits on that scale
of of being primed for a leftist

906
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,680
revolution?
Well, the leftist revolution is

907
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,680
almost completed, so we're not
primed for it.

908
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,080
We're it's almost completed.
But the good news is that a mass

909
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,120
awakening of freedom loving
Americans and just normal,

910
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,400
decent Americans can stop it
from fully progressing.

911
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,160
And we have this window of time
right now.

912
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,760
I mean, do we have less than a
year?

913
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Possibly.
I don't know.

914
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,240
I don't know.
I mean, if we have enough people

915
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:40,040
understand what's really
happening and again, say we're

916
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,680
not doing that, OK, I'm.
You're indoctrinating my the

917
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,880
children in this school, I'm not
doing that.

918
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,920
Either Stop.
Get all the Marks and stuff out

919
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,520
of the schools or we're taking
our kids out.

920
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,920
How are we going to deal with
taking our kids out?

921
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,280
Don't know.
We'll figure it out.

922
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,160
Just like if if the school had a
radiation leak, are you going to

923
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,880
keep sending your kids to school
and like, oh, but they don't

924
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,600
have cancer yet.
OK, but you're just drawing

925
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,520
their life.
Like, we have to take it that

926
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,440
seriously.
Yeah.

927
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,440
I mean we have enough people
again and with with the

928
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,560
churches, you know, calling out
the communist agendas to

929
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:23,360
overtake the churches and it
really has to be grassroots that

930
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,080
is, that is going to be crucial.
We have to do we need to

931
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,960
decentralize as much power as
possible within education?

932
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,920
I I got this image in my head
the other day.

933
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,480
We need to take an axe and chop
America's public education into

934
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,000
10,000 pieces and give it back
to the local communities like

935
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,360
Little House on the Prairie
days.

936
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,160
Except now we have technology
that they didn't have back then

937
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,080
and lots of people aren't going
to like this.

938
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,160
But I believe decentralization
of power within churches is also

939
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,320
crucial, and individuals need to
be empowered to have their

940
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,800
connection with God and to be
directed and not to give their

941
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,840
power to a single governing body
or person.

942
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,080
Very dangerous.
In fact, in in my thesis that

943
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,760
was the main lesson I came away
with is that the church, the

944
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,200
church.
The more that a church had

945
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,720
decentralized leadership, the
better that they succeeded under

946
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,400
tyrannical regime communism.
The churches that had more

947
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,200
highly centralized leadership
were quickly infiltrated and

948
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,360
destroyed.
I couldn't.

949
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:32,640
I couldn't agree with you more.
The idea, if you look at the

950
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,680
founders, the idea was the
government that was governing

951
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,720
less was best, but also that the
government should be the closest

952
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,040
to the people it can be.
Yeah, yeah.

953
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,320
And then our federal government
should do actually what it's

954
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,120
supposed to do, such as securing
the border, right, and get out

955
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,360
of education And of course, this
global government with the UN.

956
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,600
No, just get the Mike Lee,
Senator Mike Lee is trying to

957
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,360
get us out of the UN.
He's probably not going to

958
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,840
succeed, but we need to get
people on that bandwagon.

959
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,760
The government needs to be more
decentralized.

960
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,800
I couldn't agree more, and I
think the same goes for religion

961
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,040
as well.
Any this is a personal thing.

962
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,760
I know I'll have some who
disagree with me on this, and

963
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,280
that's OK.
You knew what the name of the

964
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,080
podcast was before you started
listening.

965
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:25,040
But if there's anybody that
steps between you and God to

966
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,320
tell you they know best and that
you just need to sit down, shut

967
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,240
up and get with the program,
that should be a massive red

968
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,040
flag.
Definitely.

969
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,480
I'm not saying that there's not
a place for good clergy, right?

970
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,760
I'm not saying that there's not
a place for someone to be able

971
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,320
to help shepherd a flock.
But if that shepherd says sit

972
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,360
down, shut up, I know what's
best.

973
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,200
I will make your decisions for
you.

974
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,400
That's a red flag.
Totally.

975
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,480
And I'll go further.
I'll go further because in the,

976
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,480
in the Soviet Union, the
Pentecostals, the underground

977
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,920
Pentecostals, they were heavily
persecuted, but they thrived and

978
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,200
they they thrived even under
that situation of communist

979
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,320
rule.
And it's because they were told

980
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,280
that that each person was to to
go.

981
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,880
They were told this to go find
out from God what their role was

982
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,120
to build the Kingdom of God and
then just go do it.

983
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,280
And so that can that lead to
some chaos?

984
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,480
Yes.
But it also led to really a a

985
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,600
thriving church under under
tyranny.

986
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,760
So there's that.
Yeah.

987
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,240
Yeah.
And as long as you always have a

988
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,800
remnant around, you can rebuild
it.

989
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,840
It you have.
As long as those principles

990
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,240
survive, you have a shot.
And and I'm a guy that says, God

991
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,520
will talk to you if he talks to
me, his most petulant, flawed

992
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,600
child there could be, he'll
listen to anybody.

993
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,520
So just just be humble enough to
go ask and he'll, he'll give you

994
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,200
direction.
You're not going to like it,

995
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,320
probably, but he'll give you the
direction you need.

996
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,160
Yeah, I couldn't have said that
more beautifully.

997
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,560
Just decentralizing things and
don't be afraid to be your own

998
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,800
authority.
Get your authority from God and

999
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,760
run with that.
If if that has to be filtered

1000
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,640
through another individual you
you may want to reassess where

1001
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,240
you're at the.
Scriptures say trust not in the

1002
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,640
arm of flesh repeatedly.
Right.

1003
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,520
I never saw anywhere where it
says follow the Prophet in the

1004
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,640
scriptures.
No, I can't think.

1005
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,480
It's not right off the top of my
head.

1006
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,840
Yeah, not not right off the top
of my head.

1007
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:48,120
And and understand that I think
someone could be a prophet

1008
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:53,120
without having, you know,
authority over people, so to

1009
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,520
speak.
Well, we'll just go with Samuel

1010
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,760
the Lamanite.
Who was he?

1011
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,160
He was some random dude that God
told to do some crazy stuff.

1012
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,080
And he wasn't popular.
He didn't have a huge following,

1013
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,320
right, Especially with the with
the Nephites.

1014
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,360
He had some folks that paid
attention, but by and large,

1015
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,200
they were like, yeah, get him
off the wall, whatever you got

1016
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,680
to do.
So no, totally.

1017
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,160
I couldn't agree with you more.
Well, Julie, I'll tell you what,

1018
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,360
I am so excited for this movie
to come out.

1019
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,320
I just want to go through these
dates again so we get them

1020
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,800
right.
And then the sights you have

1021
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,200
January 11th is in Phoenix.
That's the first premiere.

1022
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,200
The Utah premiere is January
12th.

1023
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,520
And Saint George, that's.
The first Utah premiere.

1024
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,880
The first Utah premiere, What
theater is that going to be in?

1025
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,240
It's.
Going to be at the Electric

1026
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,760
Theater.
Perfect.

1027
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,960
That's a great theater.
I've been there a couple times.

1028
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,080
That's a great theater.
And then the 13th is Lehigh.

1029
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,160
Yeah, at at the Thanksgiving
Point megaplex.

1030
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,840
Thanksgiving Point Megaplex
Perfect South Florida and and

1031
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,880
Hollywood are still.
Well, Hollywood was just

1032
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,200
proposed to me a couple days ago
and so it wouldn't be a

1033
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,040
premiere, it would be a showing
because it's not going to be out

1034
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,680
before it's online.
South Florida, it looks like

1035
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,680
we're a go, but we've got to,
we've got to get on that.

1036
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,920
So hopefully for January 19th in
South Florida, Fort Lauderdale

1037
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,200
or Miami.
They can find the movie at

1038
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,640
Rumble.
It will be on Rumble starting on

1039
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,600
the 19th.
It also will be available and

1040
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,920
people can buy tickets now at
beneath Sheep's clothing dot

1041
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,320
movie.
We'll stream it from beneath

1042
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,720
Sheep's clothing dot movie as
well.

1043
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,280
It'll actually be slightly
cheaper on our website.

1044
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,000
Rumble will be slightly more
expensive.

1045
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,520
Perfect.
And then, yeah, Beneath Sheep's

1046
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,440
clothing movie.
Well, perfect.

1047
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,520
Anything you want to say?
We didn't cover Julie.

1048
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,880
No, thanks so much for having me
on and letting me say what I

1049
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,080
what I really think.
I appreciate it.

1050
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,720
What I do I appreciate you.
I appreciate all the hard work

1051
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,680
you you put into this.
This is for a guy who came into

1052
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,360
this late for you, right?
At last year.

1053
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,200
It's about a year ago.
We talked last.

1054
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,800
It's been awesome to watch watch
things go as I've seen certain

1055
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,240
posts.
You're you're a rock star.

1056
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,600
I can't tell you how, how, how
thankful I am.

1057
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,160
I bumped into you well.
Just doing what I can.

1058
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,960
Thank you so much.
Hang out for about 5 minutes, I

1059
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,800
got a few more questions off air
for you.

1060
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,240
OK.
All right.

1061
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,360
Thanks everybody.
Bye.

1062
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,160
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