Episode #107: Joseph Smith & The Temple W/Ken Peterson

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Well, it's December 23rd.
Let's see why is that date so

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important.
I mean, come on, you didn't

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really think I'd let Joseph's
birthday just come and go

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without having an episode about
him, did you?

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Joseph Smith, whether you love
him or hate him, has had an

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influence on the entire.
World for the last. 218 years

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and that has no signs of
changing.

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Today, Ken Peterson joins me on
the podcast to talk about

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perhaps Joseph's most profound
revelations, and that is Temple

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theology.
We look at Joseph's theology,

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then go back in time all the way
to ancient Egypt, where we see

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striking parallels between the
two.

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We then have a conversation
about temple work in the

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Restoration.
We then go into signs of temple

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work in the Apocrypha That
matches Joseph's pretty

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succinctly.
We finally wrap up the episode

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by talking about Joseph Smith's
impact on the world and what is

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teachings on temples really mean
to us as Mormons as a group and

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individually get ready to have
your minds blown on this episode

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of the Mormon Renegade Podcast.
Look, it's no secret that our

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society has become much more
crude and coarse.

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To become and raise men and
women of virtue and character is

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a Herculean task.
To help with this, I have

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recently wrote and published a
book.

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Now, back in the 1700s,
Washington had a book called

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Rules of Civility and Decent
Behavior and Company and

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Conversation.
It was a book with 110 rules

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that talked about how to conduct
yourself like a civilized person

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in society, something that
today's society is sorely

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lacking.
What I did is I went back

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through the book and I
reinterpreted his original

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sayings for the 21st century.
So the book is laid out in a way

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in which you see Washington's
original rule.

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Right below that is my
explanation for the 21st

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century, and below that you'll
find two or three examples of

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where to use this in the real
world.

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Now, to go along with this,
there's a workbook that helps

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parents teach these principles
and practices to their kids.

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To find the book, go to
mormonrenegade.com, go to the

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bottom of the page, search out
the blog post, and order your

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copy.
Today I can bear personal

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testimony from personal
experience that this is an

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invaluable tool to help you
raise men and women of virtue

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and character.
OK, just a couple of quick

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announcements here.
If you're looking for a place to

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attend sacrament meeting and
don't know where to go, I want

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you to reach out to me.
Me and other stand ready to help

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you find a spiritual home,
whether that's a new church, a

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gathering spot of independence,
OR even if you just need a soft

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place to land for a time to
learn how to have sacrament

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meeting in your own home.
Myself and others stand ready to

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help you find that place.
All you got to do is just drop

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me a line at
mormonrenegade@gmail.com and

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we'll quickly reach out to you
to help you find the place you

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want and need to be next.
I have felt for a while now that

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the sisters haven't had a good
place to go to have their

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questions answered without a
bunch of dudes creeping around.

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To fill this need, my wife,
Tanya has set up a Facebook

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group just for women to talk
about questions about

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fundamentalism.
The name of that group is Mormon

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Fundamentalism for Women.
Now, just a warning, if you're a

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dude thinking about trying to
jump on this site, I'm going to

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give this to you in my best Liam
Neeson impression.

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I have a certain set of skills
and I'll find you and I will

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publicly mock you endlessly
without mercy for many, many

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weeks.
So whether you're a

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fundamentalist woman seeking
sisterhood or a woman

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investigating fundamentalism,
this place is for you.

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Again, the name of that Facebook
group is Mormon Fundamentalism

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For Women Can.
Hi, David.

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You set up your Christmas tree
yet?

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Oh, my wife does that not.
We didn't decide that, that she

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loves doing that.
She's so good at it.

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I tried to help her once and she
ended up moving the ornament,

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all the ornaments that I put on
to some other place.

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So I realized that's not my
thing.

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Yeah.
No, I yeah.

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Nice.
Nice.

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I know we got ours up.
We got ours up like a like

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probably a week before
Thanksgiving.

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Like Christmas is a huge deal
around our house.

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It's not for amateurs.
And I went ahead and like, I

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keep continually having hopes
that someday my house looks like

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Clark Griswold's from Christmas,
where I can just plug that thing

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in and watch.
So not quite there yet, but I'm

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working on it.
That's awesome.

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So dude, we're gonna release
this bad boy on the 23rd and

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there's no way I can not release
an episode on the 23rd December

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and not talk about Joseph Smith.
Amen.

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What do you got?
Oh my gosh, first of all.

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You need me to share my screen
with you on this one, Ken?

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Let's do it.
I'm not ready just yet.

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I just.
I just want to preface all of

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this by saying what an honor it
is for me to be able to talk

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about this man, Joseph Smith in
honor of his birthday.

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I had a little bit of pressure.
I mean, how how can any one

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person adequately extol him
personally and what he's done,

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you know?
And and I, as as I thought about

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it, a lot of people have said
and done and written many, many

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things about the Prophet, which
is wonderful.

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So what I'd like to do tonight
is to present perspective.

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Hopefully that's that's not just
a retread of things that people

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most people already know, but
we'll see how that goes.

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OK, now I'm ready to share the
screen.

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OK, so while you're getting your
screen ready, let me tell you a

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story of a professor I had when
I was working back in Maryland.

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Yeah, we would sub out to the
University of Maryland when they

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would do a dig along the the
shoreline 'cause there, there

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were ton of settlements that
have just been abandoned over

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the years.
And so they'd go to do some

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digs.
And one of the perks of doing

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that was is we got like three
credit hours free every

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semester.
And so I would go and take

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courses and I had a professor
and that there was like history

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that was broken up and one of
them was Jack Sony in America.

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And I thought that would be
interesting.

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Yeah, I went and I studied
Jacksonian America and of course

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they they you.
You can't really talk about

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Jacksonian America without
talking about the Mormons.

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Right.
Right.

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And I remember he said something
very interesting to me, not to

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me, but to the whole class.
Once when he introduced kind of

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a little time, I mean, it wasn't
very much, but he devoted

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probably half class to Mormons
and Mormonism.

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And he said something really
fascinating.

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He said when you're started
talking about Joseph Smith and

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what he accomplished in his
short life span, you have to

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come to one of two two
conclusions.

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He was either one the most raw
genius that America and maybe

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the world has ever produced, or
he was exactly what he said he

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was.
Yeah.

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And I I I cornered him after the
class was over.

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Right, 'cause there ain't a ton
of Mormons floating on the East

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Coast.
Right, right, right.

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And I I just asked him, I said,
OK, here's the deal.

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I'm a Mormon.
You said this early on.

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You said, Yep, I was like,
what's your opinion?

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He's like, I don't want the
answer to the question, so I

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don't ask.
Yeah.

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And.
But but Joseph does leave people

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in that position.
Right.

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Who is he?
What is he?

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He's one of two things I, I, I
won't pretend here to say, even

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entertain the idea that he was
just a a charlatan, right?

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It doesn't.
That holds no water.

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A charlatan doesn't set up an
organization where he he shares

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power like he does a A charlatan
does not make the ultimate

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sacrifice for a scam.
So the the charlatan thing, he

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was just a con man that holds no
water for me.

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I I don't think it's even a
logical A logical argument.

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It's not logical, but I I guess
I have too much empathy for the

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non believers in the sense that
I, I, I, I understand that

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viewpoint.
In order to believe what we're

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saying about Joseph Smith, you
have to believe in God, divine

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destiny, and you have to believe
that the Church of Jesus Christ

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of Latter Day Saints, or one of
its iterations is true is.

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Different.
And that's a for for people who

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find faith difficult that's
that's a that's a bridge too

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far.
And I I've had discussions with

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many, many people like that who
do, who who know enough about

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history.
Who know enough about the church

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and about ancient history to
know that Joseph Smith there

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conventional means do not
explain how he did what he did

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and yet they and yet they
continue desperately to to be to

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explain how he did what he did
by conventional means so they

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don't have to believe.
Yep, Yep.

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It's very interesting to see, to
see that struggle.

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He he is, he is a divisive
history in in in certainly

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American history and and even
the world I would say.

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Well, we're going to talk about
all of that.

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Let's do it.
So, so I wanted to talk about a

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few things that are not often
fleshed out.

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Joseph Smith, Freemasonry and
the Temple.

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And then we'll kind of conclude
by what influence this has had

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on the world.
And we'll talk about that image

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in particular in a bit to set
the stage for our conversation,

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I'll quote to Joseph Smith
history.

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When Moroni appeared to Joseph
Smith, which he did three times

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and said almost exactly the same
thing each time.

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And this was in 1823.
Joseph Smith was not quite 17

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yet.
He's still 16.

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He was in September of 1823,
which is I have questions.

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You know, the first vision
happened in spring of 1820 when

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he was 14.
And then he said really nothing

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of any significance happened
until this night.

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The Moroni appeared.
And yet this other questions Why

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did God wait so long?
Why did it leave him hanging?

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And why did Moroni appear three
times?

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And why did he keep appearing to
him until he was finally ready

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to obtain the plates years after
this first?

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Visit.
And we understand, and we begin

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to understand how God.
Works with prophets.

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That God does not intervene with
their agency, which wouldn't be

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fair to the Prophet in terms of
the plan of salvation.

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Nope.
He has to allow the prophet to

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do the work.
God isn't going to do the work

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for us.
He will answer our questions.

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He will inspire us, but leave it
to us to work it out.

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And that's exactly wow.
When we start talking about

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temples, talk about working it
out, right.

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Anyway, so the discussion
tonight's going to follow along

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what Moroni was talking about.
He Moroni called me by name.

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So this is the first thing he
said Joseph, and said unto me

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that he was a messenger sent
from the presence of God to me,

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and that his name was Moroni.
That God had a work for me to do

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and that my name should be had
for good and evil among all

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nations, kindreds and tongues.
Or that it should be both good

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and evil spoken of among all
people.

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And you're 16 and you're hearing
this right.

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The first thing he says, I have
a mission for you and people are

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going to love you or they're
going to hate you.

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Then he talks about getting the
the Book of Mormon, and then he

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quotes how the earth will be
burned at his coming.

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And the fourth thing that he
tells him is especially weird.

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He also quoted the next verse
differently.

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This is verse 39 and he shall
plant in the hearts of the

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children.
And and you read this, it's a

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little bit different from
Malachi.

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He shall plant in the hearts of
the children the promises made

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to the fathers, and the hearts
of the children shall turn to

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their fathers.
If it were not so, the whole

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earth would be utterly wasted at
his coming.

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He quoted that scripture to him
and the rest of the Christian

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world has Malachi, the
judeo-christian world.

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None of them interpret that the
way we did.

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No.
No.

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Do you think 16 year old Joseph
Smith understood what he was,

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what Moroni was trying to tell
him?

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No, no, 16 year old Joseph is is
going through two things right

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now and one, I love this picture
and about the only thing that

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wouldn't be historically
accurate is that Joseph's in bed

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alone.
He would actually be in.

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Yeah, yeah.
The siblings which I find

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interesting is he has this
vision and I think it's highly

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symbolic.
Everyone else is asleep and

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Joseph is the only one that's
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By the way, there's significant.
There are other examples of this

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in my book in the in the
Kirtland temple, when he and

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Oliver Calvary witness the when
God appears to them, Yeah,

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there's a no.
Nobody else in the room sees it,

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right?
There are examples in apocryphal

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writings of the same thing that
happens, right?

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So a vision is something that
happened so specific it not

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everybody has to see it anyway.
And then and then at his age,

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he's probably one in awe of what
he's seeing.

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But can that thing there where
it says your name's gonna be

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spoken of for both good and
evil?

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That's probably sticking with
him, right?

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I can't think of a lot of 16
year olds who were like who

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would even entertain the idea of
being hated by a massive amount

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of people.
Although he had experienced that

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to some extent.
So he knew what that felt like

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then.
To realize, yeah, multiply that

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times the whole planet 0.
Yeah.

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Yeah, but.
But really, my sense is by the

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time that this happens, that's
died down a little bit, right?

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As 'cause it talks about Joseph
kind of becoming a kid again, so

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to speak, right?
Like because he talks about

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there's things that I had to
repent of and these sorts.

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Of the follies of youth, yeah.
Yeah, so, so.

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So I get the sense from reading
the account that that he had

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maybe just tried to put that
away a little bit, right?

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Maybe he took a little bit of
that and was like, oh, that's

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uncomfortable.
I think I'll just go back to

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being Joseph, but that last part
that is so significant early on,

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right and the.
Fourth thing the Angel tells

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him.
Yes, yes, this is and and it's

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something like you said the
Christian world doesn't doesn't

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look at that scripture the same
way we do and this would become

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a major thing.
I I my suggest my my hypothesis

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is probably the most important
thing that Joseph will do which

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is restoring those temple
covenants and it's there from

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the inception, it's there from
the very beginning and I don't

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think Joseph knows what this.
Ain't.

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Talking about.
So a lot of that then is for us.

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Yes, Yep.
So when we read this, we go, oh,

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this is the end game, He's
telling Joseph right off the

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bat.
And the thing that's interesting

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about that, the changes occur in
that the hearts of the children,

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the hearts shall turn to their
fathers.

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And the last part's very
interesting to me.

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If this were not so, the whole
earth would be utterly wasted at

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his coming.
What does that mean?

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I think that means at least two
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We know because he just quoted.
While the earth will burn as an

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oven, all the wicked will be
burned as stubble, right?

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If everybody's wicked, nobody
will be saved.

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Right.
That so that somehow the hearts

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of the children and the fathers
is part of what's going to

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preserve people at the end.
And also in a larger sense the

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this is my work and my glory to
bring capacity, mortality and

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the eternal life of man would be
utterly wasted without this

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concept that the whole business
of creating this world and

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populating it with his children
would come to naughty without

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this principle.
That's how significant this is.

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So Gordon B Hinckley it.
By the way, I I want to

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apologize in advance your for
the to the fundamentalist

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listeners.
I am a latter day St. and so a

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lot of my thinking is in line
with what the Latter Day Saints

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teach.
So I'm not I'm not pushing this

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on people I'm presenting it as
the an idea of someone who is a

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product of the work of Joseph
Smith thinking and commenting on

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it.
They're they're good and wise

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man.
What he agrees with or not, in

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any case here.
Look, here's the thing.

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There's there's a ton of people
that I know in fundamentalism

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that still quote modern day LDS
apostles.

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You're fine.
Yeah, well, they're not dummies,

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right?
Right.

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I mean, we we tend to look for
truth wherever we find it.

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So you're just fine.
Amen, Gordon Hinckley said,

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commenting on on this
occurrence.

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It is tremendously significant
to me that this repetition of

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the wondrous words of Malachi
concerning the work for the dead

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was given to the boy Joseph four
years before he was allowed to

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take the plates from the hill.
It was given before he received

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either the Aaronic or
Melchizedek priesthood, before

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he was baptized and well before
the Church was organized.

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It says much concerning the
priority of this work and the

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plan of the Lord right, which
you kind of nailed already, but

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I love how he put it in the
context.

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This was way before any of the
other significant occurrences of

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the Restoration occurred.
Long before the the, the the

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revelations on temple doctrine.
Right before Joseph, before.

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And we'll.
Talk about that.

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Idea that he's going to be
building temples.

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So the revelation on temple
ordinances and the temples

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themselves, When did that happen
in Joseph Smith's mission?

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It was the very last thing he
restored before his death.

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Yep.
Yep.

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So that everything he had done
up to that point was in

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preparation for this incredibly
significant work, which we're

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going to read about.
Joseph Smith in April 1844,

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months before his death, says
the greatest responsibility in

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this world that God has laid
upon us is to seek after our

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dead.
And of course, that's codified

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in scripture in the Doctrine
Covenants.

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He also said it is not only
necessary that you should be

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baptized for your dead, but you
will have to go through all the

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ordinances for them the same as
you have gone through to save

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yourselves.
And finally from teachings of

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the Prophet Joseph Smith.
But how are they to become

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saviors on Mount Zion?
By building their temples,

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erecting their baptismal
thoughts and going forth.

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And receiving all the
ordinances, baptisms,

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confirmations, washings,
anointings, ordinations, and

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sealing powers upon their heads
and behalf of all their

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progenitors, who are dead, and
redeem them, that they may come

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forth in the first resurrection,
and be exalted to Thrones of

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glory with them.
And herein is the chain that

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binds the hearts of the fathers
to the children, and the

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children to the fathers, which
fulfills the mission of Elijah,

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The Doctrine and Covenants.
I I should have put this in

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here, makes it even more clear
when it says they cannot.

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Obviously they cannot be saved
without us.

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Because.
They didn't.

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The essential ordinances weren't
available to but then the

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scripture and I always thought
this was unfair as a kid reading

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it and we cannot be saved
without them.

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I.
Was like, well, how's that fair?

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You know well because to whom is
given, do much is given, much is

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required.
We live in the time of the

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fullness of the restored gospel,
when we have temples and we have

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vicarious redemptive ordinances,
but we don't do them.

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You know, as Wilfred, as
Wilfred, Woodruff said when he

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talks about meeting his
ancestors and hereafter.

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And they come to him and said
you had the power to to do this

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for us and you didn't.
Right.

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You know, what am I supposed to
say to him?

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Well, yeah, Right.
Yeah.

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So there's an accountability.
And a debt.

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We owe it to our progenitors for
our very lives.

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Yep.
Anyway, and I wanted to cover

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this because there's a lot of
the lot that just really isn't

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understood about this and I want
to talk about in some detail.

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I'm glad because I got a few
questions myself.

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I want to throw at you on this.
When, when, when we get to that

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point.
Well, I would hope so.

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I'm counting on that, right?
Everybody knows that Joseph

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Smith was a Freemason and he was
a Freemason before the

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ordinances were officially
restored, and that there are

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unmistakable similarities,
almost identical between certain

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aspects of Freemasonry and our
temple ordinances.

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So the adversaries of the LDS
Church would like Latter Day

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Saints to believe that the
similarities between the rituals

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of Freemason and the eldest
temple endowment prove that

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Joseph Smith, who was a
Freemason, stole the elements

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for Masonic rights for use in
the temple and that they were

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not revealed to him by God.
Right.

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Once again, I get that.
In fact, the, and we'll talk

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about this more also, the
contemporaries of Joseph Smith

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who had received the endowment,
were also acutely where they

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knew the similarities.
They were in the Masonic Lodge.

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They and they had explanations
for it that Joseph Smith gave

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them, that they accepted on
faith.

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But now, in the light of
history, given what we now know

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about ancient rites, it sheds a
whole new light and perspective

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on those similarities and, well,
especially what's not similar.

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So the flaws with this argument
are as follows. #1 Joseph Smith

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already had detailed knowledge
of the novel temple ceremonies

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long before he introduced them
in May 1842, and long before he

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set foot inside a Masonic hall
while Joseph Smith was

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translating the Book of Abraham,
which was before that which is

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where these concepts come from,
from the Egypt of Papyri.

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He noted that in fact, simile 2
Figure three and seven were

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related in some manner to the
grand keywords of the holy

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priesthood that was given well
before Freemason, or his

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participation and the sign of
the Holy Cross, oh, the sign of

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the Holy Ghost.
When he came to Figure 8, he

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explained that this area on the
Egyptian drawing contained

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writings that cannot be revealed
unto the world.

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It is to be had in the Holy
Temple of God.

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So he knew this stuff already.
He just hadn't codified it or

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staged it right.
It is also clear from Doctrine

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and Covenant Section 124 that
Joseph Smith was well aware of

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the main ritual elements of the
Nabu endowment ceremony at least

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as early as January 19th, 1841.
This revelation, Section 124,

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lists the components of the Nabu
temple worship, baptism for the

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dead well in advance, washings,
anointings, keys of the holy

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priesthood, memorials of
Levitical sacrifices, solemn

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assemblies, oracles,
conversations, statutes and

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judgments, ordinances that have
been kept hidden, and the

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fullness of the priesthood, all
given in 1841.

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And when did he become a Mason?
1842.

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OK, so I have some questions.
Yeah.

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Would Would people who weren't
Masons through, you know, people

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spilling the beans, so to speak?
Would would people have access

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to what the Masonic ritual was
even if you weren't a Mason?

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Oh, there are ways to get it,
sure.

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I mean, if you can access
illicit abilities of what goes

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on in temples, hey, you can.
You can get every you can learn

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everything about Freemasonry.
I'm not a Mason.

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I have no interest in it, but I
know quite a bit about it, just

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from what I read.
Well, and and I I'm curious to

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know if Joseph would have had
knowledge of what the Masonic

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ceremony was prior to him
becoming a Mason.

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I'm playing devil's advocate
here a little bit.

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Good, I hope I want you to and I
was going to bring this up in.

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In any case, we have no first
hand evidence or account that he

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knew anything about it prior to
1842.

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Right.
But what we do know is that his

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father and Hiram were both in
the Masonic Lodge years before.

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OK.
So of course the adversaries of

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the church would say, well, he
got all this stuff from his

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father and his brother.
Right, but.

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We wait for the rest of the
story, yeah.

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I'm waiting.
I know you well enough by now,

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Big Dog.
I'm just going to fight my

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tongue here until the until we
get to the end of this part.

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Regarding the supposed Co opted
rituals, any similarities are

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immaterial and incidental.
For example, the LDS endowment

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ceremony lasts for approximately
an hour and a half.

453
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,040
That's just the endowment
ceremony.

454
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,520
And yet there are at most about
5 minutes of similar material to

455
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,360
Freemasonry, 5 minutes out of an
hour and a half.

456
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Therefore, about 95% of the LDS
ordinance is completely distinct

457
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,400
from Masonic rites, and even the
few similarities that do exist

458
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,680
are used in totally different
contexts.

459
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,120
Freemasonry is not a religion.
Freemasonry does not promise

460
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,920
salvation.
It doesn't talk about those

461
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,280
things.
The context is completely

462
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,600
different, right?
And I add here, when you include

463
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,760
the initiatory rights, the
sealing ordinances, and the

464
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,800
vicarious baptism, the
percentage of LDS ordinances

465
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,600
that are distinct from Masonic
rights increases to 98%.

466
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Right.
So, you know, people think he

467
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,480
just copied it, but that's no,
no, no, that's not true at all.

468
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:54,040
Let's talk as as I went through
this exercise myself to speak to

469
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,000
this point and and I'm.
I don't think I'm sharing

470
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,640
anything here I'm not supposed
to.

471
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,480
If you disagree, I can edit
later.

472
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,840
No, no.
Let's agree right here what we

473
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,840
are, what we promised by
Covenant, not reveal our names,

474
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,720
signs and tokens.
Right, right.

475
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,760
When when you get to a few of
the tokens and signs, that's

476
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,560
about the only thing that I can
see is similar, right?

477
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,920
Everything is is distinctly
different and ties into a

478
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:35,440
different narrative tied to a
completely different narrative

479
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,920
is the only word I can come to
here.

480
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:43,240
It it it if you studied
Freemasonry and you looked at

481
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,160
that ritual alone, right?
And then you took and and let's

482
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080
just say you took out the the
signs and tokens all together,

483
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,560
you would look at both of those
and go.

484
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,920
There's nothing really similar
here.

485
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,000
That's exactly right.
And and and what happens is is

486
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,600
because there's this crossover
and I I I think I have a good

487
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,240
idea where this crossover comes
from between Freemasonry and

488
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Mormonism.
When we're done I'll, I'll tell

489
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,600
a story here when we're we're at
the end of this part.

490
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,880
All right.
And just for a teaser it

491
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,800
concerns Mr. Spock.
So but no.

492
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,240
Anyway, it's new to me.
Oh you're going to love this.

493
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,240
You're going to love you're
going to love this.

494
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Anyway, this they're they're
completely different and except

495
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,400
for the signs and tokens, right?
And when when it comes to those

496
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,320
signs and tokens, I I've got two
things.

497
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,320
One, either Joseph received them
before he became a Mason and

498
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,680
then went look at that, or he
saw him as him, as you know,

499
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,760
from his father or his brother,
or maybe even when he came in

500
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,760
and went, oh, now I see.
Because let's not forget he's a

501
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,440
seer as well.
And I again, I'll share this

502
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,280
when we're done with this this
section here.

503
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160
But there's some interesting
kayens with Judaism.

504
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,680
Go ahead.
Didn't mean we will see.

505
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,560
No, no, no.
Keep.

506
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,320
Keep at it, brother.
Keep pitching, baby.

507
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,600
I love it.
So in the if you look at

508
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,120
carefully in the Book of Abraham
and the facsimiles in

509
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,760
particular, you will see the
signs they're given to us there.

510
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,200
And we'll talk about a little
bit about that and well, at

511
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,320
least certain symbolic signs
that predate Freemasonry, at

512
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,360
least as far as we know.
And we'll talk about, you know,

513
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,640
why there are similarities and
why I want to and don't let me

514
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,680
forget to talk about the
significance of the tokens in

515
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,240
that regard.
Let's go on, it is a #3.

516
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,640
It is worth noting that some of
the similarities between the

517
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,360
endowment of Freemasonry, which
are highlighted by church

518
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,200
critics, are only superficial
meaning.

519
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,400
Again, there's they're
completely different meanings

520
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,280
behind them.
Even though you know tokens,

521
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,640
etcetera are similar, the the
symbolism, the deep symbolism

522
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,160
and the meaning behind them has
been completely lost Masons.

523
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,840
It should also be emphasized
that the goals of Masonry and

524
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,080
the Eldest Endowment are not the
same.

525
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Masonry teaches of man's
relationship to his fellow men.

526
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Now, by the way, I want to point
out I'm not bashing on

527
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Freemasonry.
I think they're a noble

528
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,040
organization.
I do.

529
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,440
I do too, and certainly play a
significant role in.

530
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Nation's founding.
You took the words right out of

531
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,840
my mouth.
Yep.

532
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,760
It offers no means, no means of
salvation.

533
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440
It is not a religion.
The temple endowment, on the

534
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,960
other hand, teaches of man's
relationship to God and Latter

535
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Day Saints and I and and it.
It teaches the plan of salvation

536
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,440
and redemption.
And Latter Day Saints consider

537
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,200
it to be essential for
exaltation in the world to come.

538
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,040
Completely different.
In fact, we find the

539
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800
similarities are limited to a
few motifs which are understood

540
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,440
in quite different ways.
In the Endowment and in Masonry,

541
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,760
for example, a vast number of
ideas and symbols that we're

542
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,440
going to talk.
See, Freemasonry involves a

543
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,320
whole bunch of stuff, none of
which chose a Smith, borrowed

544
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200
none.
And he lists some a vast number

545
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,760
of ideas and symbols that have
absolutely no parallel in

546
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Mormonism.
Ashlar, Tuscan, Doric, Ionic,

547
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
and Corinthian architectural
styles, The five senses, the

548
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,480
Royal Arch, the seven.
Liberal Arts and Sciences, a

549
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,040
sword pointing to a naked heart,
the Anchor, the 47th, the

550
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,840
problem of Euclid, the
Hourglass, Scythe, Chisel and

551
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Mallet.
Lodge and Grandmaster, then?

552
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,480
None of that.
We don't have.

553
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Any of that?
It doesn't smell like

554
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,160
Freemasonry at all.
If Joseph borrowed his ideas

555
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,440
from Masonry, it seems odd that
the similarities are limited to

556
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,920
a few very few items, most of
which have known parallels to

557
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,320
more ancient mysteries.
Yep, we'll talk about that.

558
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Don't you like this picture of
Hebrew C Kim?

559
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,040
I like to find the pre beard
pictures of these guys.

560
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They were barking the beards

561
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,240
pretty heavily during the Utah
period.

562
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Well, you see Joseph F Smith's
early picture?

563
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,120
This is anyway Hebrew C Kimball.
So why are there similarities?

564
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,720
What's interesting to me is that
the early Brethren knew of the

565
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,160
similarities.
Heber C Kimball wrote to Parley

566
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,640
P Pratt in England.
Quote, there is a similarity of

567
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,800
priesthood in Masonry.
Brother Joseph says Masonry was

568
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,080
taken from the priesthood but
has become degenerated.

569
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,560
But many things are perfect, and
later, Joseph Fielding wrote in

570
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,760
his Nauvoo Journal in 1843.
Many have joined the Masonic

571
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,600
institution.
This seems to have been a

572
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,520
stepping stone or preparation
for something else.

573
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,679
The true origin of Masonry.
A lot of what what we forget

574
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Freemasonry has its roots and
symbolism.

575
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Much of it is Biblical from the
Old Testament.

576
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,480
Yep, the number one.
That shouldn't surprise us that

577
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,400
there are these similarities.
Some claim that the Freemasonry

578
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,960
is derived from the builders of
the the the Temple in Jerusalem.

579
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,120
Yep.
Which is why they would know all

580
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,920
of this sort of stuff now
history doesn't We don't have

581
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,880
any clear evidence that it goes
back that far.

582
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
I think the earliest evidence
goes back to the 1700s as some

583
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,840
of the earlier iterations of it.
But it wouldn't surprise me that

584
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,000
it would go back that far.
But it it my love, he quoted

585
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,719
brother Joseph.
It has become degenerated.

586
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,239
So here's but it brings up this
question.

587
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,679
So what was the significance of
and we'll talk about this more

588
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,400
about of Joseph Smith being a
part of Freemasonry at

589
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,160
approximately the same time the
temple ordinances were restored.

590
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Can you imagine he didn't know
anything about the Salvific

591
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,000
temple rites until after
Kirtland?

592
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Well after when in fact, Richard
Bushman thinks that in 1835,

593
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,880
when the Kirtland Temple was
dedicated, that's the first time

594
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Joseph was when Moses, Elijah
and Jesus appeared to him and

595
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,800
gave him all of these keys.
Right.

596
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,160
That's when he went, Oh my gosh,
he thought he was done because

597
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,480
the Kirtland temple was for
restoring the priesthood order,

598
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,800
the organization, which is why
things are arranged there in

599
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,760
that temple demonstrate the
hierarchy of priesthood

600
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
organization.
And he thought, Yep, my work's

601
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,680
done.
Well, and currently.

602
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Hang on.
Yeah, well, Kirtland even had

603
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,800
ordinances that went with it,
right?

604
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,920
You have a a, a proto version of
the washings and anointings in

605
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,040
the washing of feet, right.
And and I find that very

606
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,000
fascinating.
You have very notable men that

607
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,200
received that that ordinance
there as well as well.

608
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,800
Why don't I just piss them off
early?

609
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Elijah Abel receives that
ordinance in the Kirtland

610
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,760
Temple.
But yeah, I mean there there is,

611
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,200
there is significant value in
Kirtland and and it it.

612
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Oh, of course.
It's not a.

613
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Necessary stepping stone.
Yep.

614
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,720
It it was one of those things
where K do this part and then

615
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,080
I'll I'll get you the.
Rest of the line upon line.

616
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,480
You can't receive the higher
ordinances without first having

617
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:47,000
the authority to do them.
There was Drew touched upon this

618
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,480
as I was listening to the
earlier podcast where he said

619
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:56,240
that anciently they would bathe.
The purification was a literal,

620
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,720
almost like in a baptism, and
they wouldn't just put a few

621
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,320
drops of oil, they would douse
you with oil.

622
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,920
And in Joseph Smith's time, it
was known that there was a very

623
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,080
practical purpose for doing it
that way.

624
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,200
Then it has to do with, I mean,
presentism and how it clouds our

625
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,640
understanding.
Our viewpoint is huge.

626
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Yeah, especially in the people
in the 1800s.

627
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,400
They didn't have modern
plumbing.

628
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,240
No washers, dryers, showers, you
know.

629
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,560
All winter without a bath.
Right.

630
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,880
And here they are, gathering
together hundreds, thousands, in

631
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,720
this room, all of them smelling
of the past year.

632
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,480
Well, I mean, it's like the
origin of the Word of Wisdom,

633
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Emma goes.
Why do I have to clean up all

634
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,600
this spittle?
Right.

635
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,280
Bill Smith went to the Lord, got
the Word of Wisdom.

636
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,760
I mean it was disgusting and so
and and the oil that they used

637
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,560
by the way was scented oil.
Yep.

638
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,040
It was also you know the other
one was is that it was it was

639
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,160
you know water and and cinnamon
whiskey was was part of the

640
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,720
bathing ritual, right?
That's right.

641
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,600
And.
They were.

642
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,800
They were.
Go ahead, go.

643
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,240
Ahead, sorry.
Oh no.

644
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,800
So they were literally cleaning
themselves because they were

645
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,240
filthy?
Yep.

646
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,400
And trying to wear clean clothes
and trying to smell nice so that

647
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,400
they would not be distracted
from the spiritual aspects of

648
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,360
what was about to happen.
Yeah.

649
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,760
You know, so if anybody says,
well, why don't we do that

650
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,720
anymore?
Because we're clean already.

651
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,960
I mean, physically we don't
stink.

652
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,160
We don't need to take a bath at
the temple because we took a

653
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,800
bath at home, right?
Yep.

654
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,480
Yep.
Anyway and and the the the other

655
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:49,440
thing that that I'll say to that
as as well is that I love how

656
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:57,000
the gospel always seems to be a
somewhat civilizing force right

657
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,720
where you're aiming higher than
than what you you typically are

658
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,160
from the day-to-day.
And I think we that's something

659
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,560
we take for granted because
we've been the beneficiaries of

660
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,600
what our fathers have done
before us, right?

661
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,400
If you look at even just the
American experiment, it's been

662
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
enlarged, a very civilizing
thing, right?

663
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,440
If if you go back in time, your
your next big step is monarchy.

664
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,840
That doesn't pan out so well,
'cause you still have peasants

665
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,240
who are living in filth and
squalor and somewhat

666
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,520
uncivilized.
And then you you get even

667
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,960
farther back and it's warring
tribes, it's, you know, there,

668
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,160
there's no civilization there.
And what I find interesting is

669
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,160
that that whenever the gospel
comes into play, there seems to

670
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,880
be a a civilizing aspect to it
and Joseph.

671
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,360
Smith was explicitly and acutely
aware of that and stated as much

672
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,560
that he was trying to create a
holy people.

673
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520
They were aware of that and they
were proud of Nauvoo.

674
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,800
Yeah.
Yep.

675
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,200
And and the Legion, and that
they were, I mean, because he,

676
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:07,240
he wasn't getting the upper end
of the upper class Society of

677
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,360
the United States, the dregs,
the poor, the uneducated.

678
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,240
And this is what and and how
typical is that of the gospel of

679
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,960
Jesus Christ to work?
Yeah.

680
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Yeah, with the most humble.
Absolutely.

681
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,640
And and we can see, like here's
the other thing I've said is

682
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,360
that like I I don't think we
should necessarily judge people

683
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:33,120
or or groups of people entirely
based off of their outward

684
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,520
appearance.
But you should see some signs,

685
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,480
right?
You you took, they took Nauvoo.

686
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,600
They drained a swamp and it
became the most prosperous city

687
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,040
in Illinois, the largest at one
point.

688
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,960
And it's just beautiful.
The way the temple sat on the

689
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,800
bluff, the way the homes were
spaced and and done and

690
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,200
everything was kept up.
It was called Nauvoo the

691
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Beautiful for a reason.
Yeah.

692
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,280
And in a very short period of
time.

693
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,920
And miraculous.
Truly.

694
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,720
Yeah.
And and that's something I I've

695
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,640
always thought and said as if,
OK, you believe these tenants,

696
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,880
we should see an outward
expression of that.

697
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Not that that should be the sole
judge, because we do have Christ

698
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:15,080
talking about white Sepulchers,
but the inward changes should be

699
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,600
reflected somewhat on the
outside.

700
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,360
I totally agree.
I want to talk for just a second

701
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:29,160
about the significance of those
similarities, the tokens that

702
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:35,440
we're talking about.
Two aspects #1 If Freemasonry

703
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,480
had its origin in the fullness
of it, why would they forget

704
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,160
everything else except for the
tokens?

705
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,120
Right.
Because the tokens are the

706
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,480
easiest to remember.
Yep.

707
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Number one, you don't forget
those #2, something that struck

708
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:57,440
me in my temple attendance.
And of course, adversaries mock

709
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,200
these things.
Mormons in their.

710
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Secret handshakes.
That's stupid, that God would

711
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,280
want a secret handshake to get
into heaven.

712
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,280
Well, when you think about it,
why?

713
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,880
Why tokens?
And the underlying, implicit,

714
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:23,640
most deeply profound aspect of
that, and why it's crucial, is

715
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,600
that the only people who can
participate in that and exchange

716
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:35,200
such tokens are physical humans.
How else, Right?

717
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Why?
Why else?

718
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,760
You.
Know and the whole idea of being

719
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,680
embraced into the Kingdom, to be
enrobed and embraced.

720
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,040
It means the same thing in the
in the ancient languages.

721
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,480
Yep.
Because it's human.

722
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,160
Which tells us everything in the
Christian world does not believe

723
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,600
about God the Father and Jesus
Christ is that they are.

724
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,880
We're created in their image.
Literally.

725
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,240
Yeah, you cannot.
You cannot be brought into their

726
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,640
presence if you do not have
physical hands, which is how you

727
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,800
can detect an evil spirit,
because they do not and cannot

728
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,200
exchange such tokens.
Absolutely.

729
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,960
And is that amazing?
It, it is amazing.

730
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,160
And and I think this, this is
worth pointing out here at this

731
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,680
part of the discussion, right
when we start talking about the

732
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,000
genius of the things that Joseph
had revealed to him and then he

733
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,360
reveals to the world, one of it
is this radical concept, and

734
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,120
it's still radical today.
I don't care what people say.

735
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Sometimes.
You know, those of us who live

736
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,320
here in Utah or live around
other Mormons, we take this for

737
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,880
granted that God has a.
Body.

738
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,480
That is a wild revolutionary
departure.

739
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,360
From physical body.
Tangible.

740
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,760
Yes, it it's a radical departure
from what you would call

741
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,160
orthodox Christianity, right?
Because now you're taking God

742
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,760
who the Christian world for a
long time said that That is a

743
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,400
God without.
Body parts and.

744
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Passions, right?
And now all of a sudden he has

745
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,200
this body, right as revealed by
Joseph Smith.

746
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Well, all of a sudden if he is
dwelling in a body that that

747
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,040
isn't both within time and
space, all the sudden we have

748
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,800
proximity to the divine, right?
We have proximity to deity,

749
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,840
which is a radical departure
from Christianity.

750
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,080
At the risk of sounding like a
nerd, when when I would hear you

751
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,560
know about Christianity, sure,
God revealed himself in with the

752
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,800
idea of Trinity.
You know, one God revealed in

753
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,120
three different persons.
But for the most part he was

754
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,080
spoken of as somewhat of like
the Force from Star Wars, right?

755
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,240
Something, a theory, something
beyond, beyond this.

756
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,080
And so, but when Joseph comes
along, he turns the tables over

757
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,480
a little bit.
He says no, no, no.

758
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,760
There's proximity between you
and the divine and there's very

759
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,040
close kinship here, a father
child relationship.

760
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,240
The other thing it does is that
all of a sudden now your

761
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:20,280
humanity can be holy in a way
that we've never seen in

762
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Christianity before, right Your
flesh.

763
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,440
While certainly we believe that
the natural man is an enemy to

764
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,840
God, once you've bridled those
passions and and those those

765
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,400
instincts, all of a sudden your
humanity is no longer a barrier

766
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,640
between you and God.
Now your humanity is holy.

767
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,440
And I think that's something
worth pointing out at at this

768
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,280
part here, that this is a
radical departure from

769
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,400
Christianity as a whole.
Which has its foundation in the

770
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,600
fall itself, which the temple
fixes.

771
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Yep, the fall was not a mistake.
No, it was necessary.

772
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:04,160
The Bible teaches as much and
first Peter it talks about the

773
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,840
the Savior was chosen before the
foundation of the world.

774
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,480
Christians overlooked that well,
why would the Savior be chosen

775
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,200
before the foundation of the
world if God didn't know there

776
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,800
was going to be a fall and the
necessary redemption?

777
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,880
Absolutely.
And now the.

778
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,200
The other thing I wanted to say
about the tokens that I nearly

779
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,000
forgot that is beautiful is the
extreme personal nature of that

780
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,640
God Himself is the one who wants
to welcome us into His Kingdom.

781
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,280
Yeah.
It's such a beautiful thing that

782
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,760
we take for granted because
we're so dumb.

783
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Well, I yeah, I think that's
part of it.

784
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,160
I think the other part of it is,
is that something happens when

785
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,600
you become accustomed to things.
You take them for granted,

786
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,440
right?
Exactly.

787
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,960
I've I've often said it would do
Mormons good to go into the pews

788
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,760
of other churches, just for a
while.

789
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Oh yeah.
One of the things that used to

790
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,320
drive me nuts, and I'm not
trying to bag on anybody here.

791
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,800
I'm not.
I'm just telling you my

792
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,720
experience that so often God was
painted as a boogeyman who was

793
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,760
there ready to slap you down at
the first time you screw up.

794
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,400
In the old world, that's exactly
Catholicism.

795
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Lutheran, it was that way.
You're going to help?

796
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,040
And and all of a sudden you have
a God who is a father, quite

797
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,880
literally and is wants to not
just have a relationship with

798
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,000
you, he wants to embrace you and
just want.

799
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,160
To save everybody.
Yes, and not only just does he

800
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,120
not just want to embrace you, he
wants to give you everything.

801
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:32,960
He.
Has.

802
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,760
That those are revolutionary
ideas.

803
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,280
You spoke about the fall.
I think this might be a good

804
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,320
place for this, too.
Joseph's view on women?

805
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,120
Again, radically, radically.
Right.

806
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:51,680
All of a sudden Eve is no longer
the woman who cursed mankind to

807
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,880
have to go out and work.
Eve is the catalyst.

808
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,200
She is the mother that allows.
She's the first one that thinks,

809
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,600
wait a second.
I I have this innate desire to

810
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,560
have children and gosh I, I
we're not having children here.

811
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,600
What's going on?
And and she understands that she

812
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,840
has now two competing doctrines
and quite frankly as as I look

813
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,720
at my life with my wives
certainly some of my best

814
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:19,280
insights come from them.
Right.

815
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,040
And we see that between Adam and
Eve where where Eve is like we

816
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,720
got to do this.
We we we, you know, there's yes

817
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,760
we have two competing
commandments but but this is the

818
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,040
bigger one.
And and then to go even a step

819
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,240
further in in radical theology
and say no, no, no, women are

820
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,800
just as holy as men.
And guess what fellas.

821
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,600
You can't go where you want to
go without your wife.

822
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,000
So you better work on that
relationship, radically

823
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,760
revolutionary and what Joseph
reveals to the world.

824
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,640
There's a a woman who is a
convert from Roman Catholicism.

825
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,080
She's a feminist, and I can't
recall her name right now.

826
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,520
There's a website called Mormon
Scholars Testify and she bears

827
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,320
this profound testimony.
She says that the title of it is

828
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,120
I'm a Mormon Because I'm a
Feminist, and then she explains

829
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,240
that the things that we take for
granted Latter Day Saints define

830
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:19,160
God as Mother and Father.
You cannot become as God is by

831
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,680
yourself.
Right.

832
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,400
And then she points out this
whole thing, that Eve was the

833
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,000
hero here.
Eve was the one who had the

834
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,320
wisdom and the courage to
embark, to bring about the Fall,

835
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:39,200
and in doing so actually gave
gave birth into mortality to

836
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,280
Adam.
It was because of her that Adam

837
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,600
became mortal.
So she was.

838
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,680
She is a mother in so many
different ways.

839
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,800
Yeah, that's a radical departure
from the rest of the Christian

840
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:56,400
world, to be sure.
All right, so #5, Why did Joseph

841
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Smith associate with Freemasons?
Joseph Smith looked for a means

842
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,080
to quell the rising tide of
opposition.

843
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,520
Many of the Saints were Masons,
such as Joseph's brother Hiram

844
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,000
Hebrew, C Kimball, Elijah
Fordham Dual K Whitney, James

845
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,800
Adams and John C Bennett.
Boom.

846
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,320
These members called attention
to the spirit of brotherhood and

847
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,080
brotherly love, which are the
foundations of Masonic

848
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,440
fraternity and which
characterize Masonic activities.

849
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,200
This ideal agreed well with the
high ideals of the Prophet.

850
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Moreover, it was conceded that
many of the prominent and

851
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,000
influential men of the state
were Masons who could be friends

852
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,080
when needed.
Association with such a

853
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,600
paternity might help to lessen
the mob persecutions to which

854
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,120
the Church had been subjected in
Ohio and Missouri.

855
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,560
So reasoned the Prophet's
advisors.

856
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,240
The people of the Church needed
friends.

857
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,800
The work in Naavu would be
hindered if opposition to the

858
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,240
Church were allowed to grow.
They wanted peace.

859
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,760
Perhaps Masonry would help.
So in the light of history ran

860
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,960
the thoughts of the people.
And I'm quoting John Whitsoe and

861
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,400
in as an example of that
teachings of the Prophet Joseph

862
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Smith, August 6th, 1842.
Joseph attended the the opening

863
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:17,280
of the Masonic Lodge across the
river and he says I witnessed

864
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,400
the installation of the officers
of the Rising Sun Lodge, Ancient

865
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,880
York Masons at Montrose, while
the Deputy Grandmaster was

866
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,800
engaged in giving the requisite
instructions to the Master

867
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,480
elect.
This is Joseph Smith speaking.

868
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,600
I had a conversation with a
number of brethren in the shade

869
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,960
of the building on the subject
of our persecutions in Missouri,

870
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,960
and the constant annoyance which
had followed us since we were

871
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,360
driven from that state.
So here he is at the

872
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,760
installation of the officers in
Montrose.

873
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,360
And what's he doing?
He's working the crowd, trying

874
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,040
to drum up support for he and
his people.

875
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:56,760
What?
Let me ask my.

876
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,040
Yeah.
Let me ask you a quick question

877
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,720
here.
I'm a believer that Masonry had

878
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:09,160
something to offer right?
Again this this idea of of

879
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,480
civilizing forces, right?
If you look at the majority of

880
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,120
the founders, certainly they had
their issues with with slavery

881
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,960
and those sorts of things that
they wrestled with.

882
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,520
But by and large, they always
sought for gentlemen gentlemanly

883
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:31,400
conduct, and I can't help but
think that some of that had to

884
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,280
do with the amount of men who
were Freemasons during the

885
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,640
revolutionary period as Naavu is
growing.

886
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,000
Not only did they, I think
Joseph, want help.

887
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,800
Do you think there's anything to
the idea that that Joseph

888
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,400
understood that there would be
not just Mormons living in Naavu

889
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,320
and that at some point there has
to be some sort of mechanism

890
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,720
wherewith if if non members come
into the city, that maybe

891
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,640
joining the Masonic Lodge might
not help in continuing that kind

892
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,520
of civilizing aspect of those?
Yeah, why not?

893
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,720
Yeah, why not?
That's possibly the Masonic

894
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,520
Lodge is also a Cultural Center.
Right.

895
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,280
Well, the other problem of
Freemasonry is that women were

896
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,560
not allowed to participate.
Right.

897
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,640
Not so with the temple
ordinances.

898
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,720
Right.
That's a significant difference.

899
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,040
The other reason I think
Freemasonry came into Joseph

900
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,720
Smith's world at that time had
to do with God is revealing the

901
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,160
principles to him.
And I don't know what he'd seen

902
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,480
in vision if that's how he was
getting it in terms of the

903
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,400
temple ordinances.
But Can you imagine, even if God

904
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,840
gave him the script, the
endowment is a drama with

905
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,440
characters.
I mean people actually taking

906
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,160
the role.
Joseph Smith had zero experience

907
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,720
with theater.
Yeah.

908
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,000
You didn't know how to do that,
right?

909
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,520
I think.
I think that's part of what

910
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,520
Freemasonry showed him.
Right, right.

911
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Is how to how to stage the
principles that he'd been given.

912
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,560
You know, and that's that's
another beautiful thing about

913
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,320
both Mormonism and Judaism, is
that those two religions,

914
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,440
perhaps more than any other,
requires us to put ourselves in

915
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,080
the place of our ancestors in
within.

916
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,800
Within the Temple are our
ultimate ancestors.

917
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,680
Certainly if you look at
Passover meals celebrations in

918
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,120
Jewish culture, it's usually
about putting yourself in the

919
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,800
place of your ancestors, right?
So their stories become yours

920
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,000
and and we're instructed very
much in that same way in the

921
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,800
Temple drama to make to make
Adam and Eve's story our own.

922
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,000
Well, we'll talk more about that
too.

923
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,640
Darn it, I forgot what was.
What's on my mind.

924
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,920
Oh, so there are those who say
that Freemasonry is inextricably

925
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:58,760
linked to Mormonism, right?
If that were true, I mean, as

926
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,680
soon as they left Nauvoo, they
left Freemasonry behind.

927
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,240
That was it.
They were done with it.

928
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,920
It doesn't have any bearing on
the doctrines of the restored

929
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,360
gospel at all.
Right.

930
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,880
You know, same thing with the
you know, Joseph Smith believed

931
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,720
in magic, yadda yadda and the
occult.

932
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,720
Well, if that's true, why isn't
that a part of our doctrine?

933
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,360
Because it has no part in the
gospel, right?

934
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,360
Even though culture and society
was steeped in it, it wasn't

935
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,640
part of the restored gospel
because of store Gospel is true.

936
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,280
It's of God, right?
Not born, not born of culture.

937
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,240
All right.
This is my favorite part.

938
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,560
Yep.
Number.

939
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,680
Six.
And this is what no one at

940
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Joseph Smith's time, even Joseph
Smith himself, could not have

941
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,400
known in any detail other than
what he had in the Book of

942
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,160
Abraham.
What we now know today?

943
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:01,200
Numerous.
I'm talking hundreds. 2000 year

944
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,680
old sacred Christian, Gnostic
and pseudepographic documents.

945
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,280
Pseudographic or Old Testament
related documents that are not a

946
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,480
part of our scripture, right, As
well as ancient Egyptian temple

947
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,400
rites, none available to Joseph
Smith.

948
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,360
Numerous bear far greater
resemblance to Mormon ritual

949
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,640
than 19th century Freemasonry.
The implications of this are

950
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,080
momentous right now.
Let me reiterate what I'm trying

951
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,120
to say here.
So we estimated that given

952
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:40,920
everything done of the rituals
done of the temple, 2% tops bear

953
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,920
specific resembles to
Freemasonry.

954
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,160
Now we've discovered all of
these things well after Joseph

955
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,040
Smith's death and what do we see
in them?

956
00:56:51,360 --> 00:57:01,520
100 I try to think, give me, but
I in my mind 100% of what we do

957
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,920
in our temples today has
precedent in these ancient texts

958
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,000
and ancient practices.
You want to go through them?

959
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,160
Yeah, let's do it.
Good.

960
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:21,280
Let's start with the oldest, the
Egyptian endowment, Hugh Nibbley

961
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,320
in his hat.
My boy Nibbley.

962
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,160
The ordinances of the Egyptian
temple I'm quoting him here,

963
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,800
were essentially the same as
those performed in ours.

964
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Why the Egyptians didn't have
priesthood, we know that right,

965
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,920
he says, and that can be
explained very simply.

966
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,520
They have a common origin.
The clue is given in Abraham

967
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,840
126.
Pharaoh, being a righteous man,

968
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,280
established his Kingdom and
judged his people wisely and

969
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,040
justly.
All his days seeking earnestly

970
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,040
to imitate that order
established by the fathers in

971
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,240
the first generations which he
would have been familiar with

972
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:04,040
through Noah and him in the days
of the first patriarchal reign.

973
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,720
Even in the reign of Adam, and
also of Noah, his father, who

974
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,680
blessed him with the blessings
of the earth, he sought

975
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,480
diligently.
He sought earnestly to imitate

976
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,120
to the order that went back to
the falls of the fathers of the

977
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,120
first generation and the first
patriarchal reign.

978
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,480
Egyptians didn't have it, and
they knew it, still quoting

979
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,680
nibbly.
And Pharaoh, being of the

980
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,440
lineage whereby he could not
have the right of priesthood,

981
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,560
notwithstanding the Pharaohs
would fain claim it from.

982
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,280
Noah made a very good imitation,
seeking very earnestly to

983
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,360
imitate that order which went
back to the beginning.

984
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,200
So the Egyptian result is a very
good imitation of our temple

985
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,120
ordinances, he goes on my book,
The Message of the Joseph Smith

986
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,080
Papyri.
And an Egyptian Adama takes you

987
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,240
through the Egyptian temple
without any mention of the

988
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,280
Latter Day St. temple at all.
Because the latter is not

989
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,840
necessary, it's easy to see
what's going on.

990
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,720
So much of our discussion
tonight I If you hear me say He

991
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,400
who hath ears to hear, let him
hear.

992
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,720
It means turn your temple ears
on, 'cause I can't, I can't

993
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,320
necessarily point out some of
this stuff.

994
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,320
So far so good.
So far so good.

995
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,440
How do you like that picture
unively?

996
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,920
Yeah, that's when he was World
War One, right?

997
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,440
World War 2.
World War 2, OK?

998
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:29,360
He served his mission in Germany
before the war broke out and

999
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,560
then went back as an
intelligence officer after the

1000
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:39,240
war broke out in atheism was in
full swing in Germany prior to

1001
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,440
World War 2.
Go figure.

1002
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,120
And many of the cities that had
thrown him out were had been

1003
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,760
destroyed during the war, he
noted.

1004
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:52,440
Anyway, he goes on and and so
here he said, I've taken you

1005
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,640
through the Egyptian endowment
and it doesn't carve an

1006
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,000
explanation 'cause we recognize
it now.

1007
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,440
Here he's given us a brief
summary.

1008
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,560
The embracing, by the way, in
the Egyptian temple, the God of

1009
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,640
the temple, whatever their name
might be, we're going to talk

1010
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:10,240
about Amun.
Amun Ray, the king, is the one

1011
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,080
who would perform these rites in
the temple of the God

1012
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,600
representing the people.
Sound familiar, right?

1013
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,040
Our father, Adam represents us
and their king represents the

1014
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,880
people.
So the embracing of the king by

1015
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,320
the God is the definitive
consecration of the new king.

1016
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,240
So when a new king was
consecrated, he was by being

1017
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,480
embraced by the God of that
temple, who at that moment alone

1018
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,720
becomes.
Only after he's been embraced by

1019
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,720
the God does he become fully
consecrated, crowned and

1020
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,120
sanctified.
Before becoming the king,

1021
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,560
however, he must first become a
priest, and for that also he

1022
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,360
must be purified with divine
water.

1023
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,360
Number one, receive a garment
#2, be crowned and LED into the

1024
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,720
sanctuary to receive the embrace
of the God, the head of the

1025
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,720
temple.
Where have I heard that before?

1026
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:17,080
It just sounds so familiar.
He goes on Latter day St.

1027
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,040
temples fully embody the
uncorrupted functions and

1028
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,280
meanings of the temple.
Did the Prophet Joseph Smith

1029
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,720
reinvent all this by
reassembling the fragments?

1030
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Jewish Orthodox, Masonic,
Gnostic, Hindu, Egyptian, and so

1031
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,960
forth.
In fact, few of the fragments

1032
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,480
were available in his day.
Few.

1033
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,600
He's being kind.
None of them.

1034
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,800
Right.
And those poor fragments did not

1035
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,640
come together of themselves to
make a whole Latter Day Saints

1036
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,120
See in the completeness and
perfection of Joseph Smith's

1037
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,120
teachings regarding the Temple,
a sure indication of divine

1038
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,000
revelation.
And the photographs I have

1039
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,360
juxtaposed there are the the
original Nabu temple, one of the

1040
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,040
only photographs of it when it
was standing, versus the ancient

1041
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,560
Egyptian temple we're going to
walk through virtually now,

1042
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,480
which is called the the the
temple at Medina Tabu on upper.

1043
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,040
On the upper.
Now I'll show you a map of that.

1044
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:24,880
Why this temple?
The temple in Medina Tabu and

1045
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,600
the temple in Karnak have the
most well preserved reliefs.

1046
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,400
Inside these temples, the the
rituals are carved into the

1047
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:38,320
walls and painted so the
initiate could go in and see

1048
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:45,200
what sounds almost like what we
do today, where it's enacted

1049
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,800
either in film or live, right?
Right.

1050
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,000
So you go into the temple and
they would see these things.

1051
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,360
Well, guess what?
They're still standing.

1052
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,080
And even though some of them
have been defaced or ruined by

1053
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,720
the ravages of time, there's
enough of them left.

1054
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,000
We can see what they're doing.
Right.

1055
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,200
And so I I've chosen to talk
about Medina Tabu because it's

1056
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,160
the most well preserved.
With the ones I've seen, Karnak

1057
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,440
is almost identical.
They date to the same time

1058
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,160
period Medina Tabu Temple of
Amun and the Karnak temple date

1059
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,440
to around 1500 BC.
OK.

1060
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,200
Why is that significant?
That's Moses.

1061
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,120
Right.
Very early.

1062
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,280
So what we're talking about
here, we have the the map of the

1063
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,120
Nile in Upper and Lower Egypt
and what we're talking about is

1064
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,200
the region of Luxor on the Upper
Nile, so.

1065
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,520
To the east.
Of the Nile River East Bank is

1066
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:43,160
Karnak to the West on the West
is Medina Tabu, and if you see

1067
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,960
the inset on the lower right
here see the Nile River.

1068
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,240
In the middle, see the Karnak
temple upper right, the Luxor

1069
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,560
Temple lower, and the Benita tab
the Medina Tabu on the lower

1070
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,960
left.
Gotcha.

1071
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,520
So they're they're pretty close
to one another, and I find it

1072
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,000
interesting that the temple in
Karnak and Medina Tabu are

1073
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,000
almost identical.
Right.

1074
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,040
So these rights were
systematized.

1075
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,520
They were well known.
They were recorded somehow.

1076
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:16,120
What we're looking at is this
the the site at Medina Tabu, the

1077
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,360
building in the foreground is
that smaller structure that's

1078
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,240
the original temple for 1500 BC.
The one in the background is a

1079
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,120
much later temple, much larger,
much more ornate, built by

1080
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:32,320
Ramses, the Third unto himself,
so you can see how far they

1081
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,280
fell.
You talk about apostasy.

1082
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,040
Right.
Yeah.

1083
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,720
Almost looks like a great and
spacious building.

1084
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,000
And there we go.
Let's see the Temple of Amun

1085
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,160
just left of the Empress
Mortuary temple of Ramses.

1086
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,800
The Third is the Temple of Amun,
dating to the 18th dynasty,

1087
01:04:54,440 --> 01:05:02,280
built by just about people think
Moses was like between 1500 and

1088
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,640
1300 BC.
We don't know for sure.

1089
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,040
And Tutnos 3.
It has undergone many

1090
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,160
alterations and modifications
over the years, Parsley, 20th,

1091
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,640
25th, 26th, 30th dynasties and
the Gregoroman period, but

1092
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,160
remains largely how it was.
There's an aerial view of the

1093
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,760
whole compound, so you get the
relative, the big building in

1094
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,000
the middle, that's that's
Ramses, the third temple to

1095
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,520
himself.
And that little teeny one in

1096
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,400
down below, that's the one we're
going through.

1097
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,880
That's the old one.
That's the one with the original

1098
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,600
rights.
And this is how it would appear

1099
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,280
to us today.
I'm just wondering if that if if

1100
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,200
Rams, would you who'd you say
that was Ramsay's the 2nd?

1101
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,280
Ramsay's the Third.
The third I wonder if he didn't

1102
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,840
have a little Trump going on
there.

1103
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,240
Like if he was gonna build this,
It's gonna be huge.

1104
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,440
Gonna be.
It's gonna be better than

1105
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,680
everybody else's better.
Than everybody else's.

1106
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,840
So here's kind of a timeline
'cause I'm not, I don't know,

1107
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,280
the dynasty dates off the top of
my head.

1108
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,360
So we're talking about the 18th
of dynasty when the Temple of

1109
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,320
Amun was built by her name is so
hard.

1110
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:20,880
Anyway, 15801350 and much later
than the 2020 second, 23rd

1111
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,280
dynasties, you know, almost
seven hundreds later, 700 years

1112
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,640
later is when Ramses the third
was doing his thing.

1113
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:36,320
So here we have a blueprint of
the temple, ignore the bottom

1114
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,920
one, that's what they kind of
wanted to build.

1115
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:43,600
But the top one, that part to
the left, that's what was built

1116
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:50,320
first by Hotsepsut King Tut The
Third added the later, which is

1117
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,720
not significant in terms of
ritual, just kind of just kind

1118
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,840
of an entrance to where the
rituals occur in these little

1119
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,200
rooms here.
And notice the size 25 feet wide

1120
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,960
the whole structure.
So initially it was about 25

1121
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,520
feet square.
OK.

1122
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,440
Not big.
And each of those rooms, in each

1123
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:15,920
of those rooms, I hear you.
So here's now a close up inset

1124
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,640
of each of those rooms and you
see the numbers.

1125
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:23,320
Each number is indicative of a
various of an individual scene,

1126
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,080
a relief, something that's being
portrayed on the wall or a

1127
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,440
picture, right.
So in the top right picture

1128
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,840
there are four room, there's
four pictures, most of them

1129
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,960
average 6.
So we're talking about 36 to 40

1130
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,920
different images telling people
what they should do.

1131
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,760
Skip that.
Approaching the sanctuary

1132
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,640
consisting of purification of
the priest, Opening the

1133
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,440
sanctuary, Seeing the God
prostrations and hymns, entering

1134
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,680
the sanctuary consisting of
preliminary purifications.

1135
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,880
He that have ears to hear, let
him hear right.

1136
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,000
Entering the sanctuary, seeing
the God prostrations, more

1137
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,680
purifications and hymns, #3
handling the image consisting of

1138
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,359
more purifications, including
putting hands upon the God,

1139
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,840
followed by rites of robing and
anointing.

1140
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,279
That's strange.
That's familiar.

1141
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,920
Including giving cloth and
clothing with cloth and ending

1142
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,760
with final purifications,
including rites of spreading

1143
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,399
sand, incense, water.
And then they had kind of a

1144
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:39,200
sacrament too.
This is like this is much

1145
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,960
longer.
I'm skipping a lot and we'll

1146
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,960
look at the picture in a second.
The scene exhibits modifications

1147
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,560
similar to the preceding, but
further incidental damage has

1148
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,720
destroyed the caption below the
water, which we will see.

1149
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,880
So here's a line image and then
I'll show you the picture

1150
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,160
because the picture is hard to
make out.

1151
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,439
The things that are chipped off,
like the phallus right there.

1152
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,200
Apparently the the tradition was
if you get a chip of that, it

1153
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,960
would help you have children.
Gotcha.

1154
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,319
Right.
So as a fertility thing, so

1155
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,880
people go in and stealing little
bits of of a God's phallus.

1156
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:24,040
In any case, up here on the
middle right, you see that

1157
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,600
symbol is like a cross that has
kind of a loop at the top that's

1158
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,359
referred to as the ank.
Yep.

1159
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,720
In ancient Egypt, Egypt, the Ank
represents eternal life.

1160
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:41,240
Yep, eternal life is holding the
jar of water that is purifying

1161
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,439
the initiate.
Right.

1162
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Now please notice the God's
right arm to the square.

1163
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,560
Yep, with what looks like this
compass thing above it.

1164
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,160
It's in ancient year.
It's a flail, but it's all in

1165
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,000
these circumstances, always in
the form of the compass.

1166
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,640
The symbol is important.
So can can can I just float an

1167
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,640
idea to you here?
This is something I've been

1168
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,280
flirting with lately.
You better be good.

1169
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,520
I I hope so.
I hope I'm not completely off

1170
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:19,720
base and if so, do not hesitate
to call BS on me because because

1171
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,840
it's just a theory, no one
should put any stock into this.

1172
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,920
This is the book of Dave page
one.

1173
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,840
How can I get that?
You don't want that.

1174
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:36,720
So we we talked just briefly
about the the phallic symbol

1175
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,520
there and kind of fertility
rights K as I've been thinking

1176
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:47,720
about some of our ordinances,
I'm gonna float a strange idea.

1177
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:53,640
Let's start with baptism, OK?
We enter the font, and when we

1178
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,880
start talking about baptism, the
blood of Christ, and then the

1179
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,920
waters of baptism are, and then
this idea of being born again

1180
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,600
are eerily reminiscent to a new
birth.

1181
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:09,720
Well, that well, that's
explicitly stated in the book of

1182
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,000
Moses.
Yes.

1183
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,960
And so then then, as we go
forward into the temple, and

1184
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,680
specifically the sealing
ceremony and the promises that

1185
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,120
are made to us of being able to
have eternal increase, couldn't,

1186
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,800
could there not be an argument
made that that these in some way

1187
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,760
are the ultimate infertility
rights?

1188
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,000
I'm glad you asked the question
because I will address that

1189
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,840
directly because I have a
similar idea.

1190
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,360
Oh, OK, there's there's the
painted.

1191
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,960
That's the real image of the
line drawing that we saw.

1192
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,120
In some ways, it's actually
clear to see because of the

1193
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,480
colors.
That's a lot.

1194
01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:53,600
That's that pops once you see
once you see that and yeah no

1195
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,680
that that makes way more sense.
I'm.

1196
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,560
Going to skip to this.
OK.

1197
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,080
Facsimile #2.
The inset figure #7 represents

1198
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,880
God sitting upon his throne,
revealing through the heavens

1199
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,760
the grand keywords of the
priesthood.

1200
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,440
Now, if you look very carefully
at Figure 7, you see this, this

1201
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:19,560
compass and the square there.
God sitting on his throne with

1202
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,440
his arm at the square and the
flail.

1203
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:25,080
Exactly like we're seeing in the
Medina Tabu temple, the temple

1204
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,000
of our moon, right.
And instead of a phallus look,

1205
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,160
what did we see there?
Well, or yeah, it's probably is

1206
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:36,960
a phallus.
We interpret that as the navel.

1207
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Oh, OK.
OK.

1208
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,800
What's the symbolically
speaking, what's the difference

1209
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,480
between navel and phallus?
Nothing.

1210
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,040
They both represent giving of
life.

1211
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,200
An.
Eternal an eternal increase and

1212
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,720
the need for that right.
Do you think?

1213
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,560
It's an accident that in our
Victorian society we have

1214
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,120
converted the phallus to the
navel.

1215
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:08,760
No.
No.

1216
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,800
Could you imagine the
persecution and the

1217
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,840
misunderstanding and the
sexualization of these rights if

1218
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,160
we went in there talking about
the phallus all day?

1219
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,640
Well.
No, you you bring up a good

1220
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,400
point.
I mean, look, Joseph, here's

1221
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,080
the.
Before you go on, there's a

1222
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,240
there's a flip side to that.
Who's to say that it wasn't

1223
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,200
originally the naval and the
Egyptians sexualized it?

1224
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,280
Right, right.
Yeah.

1225
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,920
In any case, in any case, I'm
saying it doesn't matter.

1226
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,360
Right.
They represent the same thing,

1227
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:45,960
life and the continual need for
that nourishment.

1228
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:51,400
And the the the God gave us life
and continues to give us life.

1229
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,840
Right.
And and of course, our general

1230
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,680
posterity.
That's wow.

1231
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,080
Joseph Smith, you lucky devil.
What were you gonna say?

1232
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:04,240
Best guesser ever.
Yeah, we know how Victorian

1233
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,200
Society took Joseph Smith,
right?

1234
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,080
And yeah, even that was art.
Just just with more scripture

1235
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:15,760
and then go ahead and really
upset the applecart with with

1236
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,720
plural marriage.
Oh no.

1237
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:23,120
Victorian Society was not a fan
of Joseph Smith and and

1238
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,720
sometimes people say I'm
surprised that that he got as

1239
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,440
much backlash as he did and I'm
like, well, he's.

1240
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,400
Are you kidding?
He's taking ancient principles

1241
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:37,920
and ancient practices and then
bringing them back into a time

1242
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,440
that was not down for that
whatsoever.

1243
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,400
No, no, no.
That's interesting.

1244
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,920
The more they tried to run from
sexuality, the more it

1245
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,440
sensationalized it.
Not only sensationalized, not

1246
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:58,160
only sensationalized it, but
popped its head up in in ways

1247
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,680
self-destructive, right?
Because in ancient Egypt, it

1248
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:07,440
wasn't an awe, a naughty thing.
It was this is a fact of life.

1249
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,280
This is where life comes from.
Yeah And again and again.

1250
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,640
Go ahead.
Making your your humanity holy

1251
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,840
right.
So you know Eve had been looked

1252
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:25,240
at as carnal as you know women
were were portrayed as as sex is

1253
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:26,360
evil.
Yeah.

1254
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:31,360
As sex is evil and and Joseph's
coming along here and bringing

1255
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,640
back certain things, saying no,
that's good.

1256
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,640
That's a good thing if you can
bridle those passions.

1257
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,400
That's right.
That's right.

1258
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,600
Wow.
So I was listening to the

1259
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,080
interview with Drew again.
We're talking about the early

1260
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,920
Christian baptisms were
performed in the nude.

1261
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,280
Yes.
I mean, there are a number of

1262
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,280
practical reasons for that.
They didn't have baptismal

1263
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,560
clothes.
Number one, they want to have to

1264
01:15:52,560 --> 01:16:00,400
wear wet clothes all day.
And #2, Can you imagine the

1265
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,440
scandal of having naked baptisms
or or naked baptisms for the

1266
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,560
dead?
And you know, and you talked

1267
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,520
about some of those the changes
of the in the temple and

1268
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,640
something having to do with, you
know, the shield and the

1269
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,880
initiatories being changed
altered a little bit.

1270
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,840
And I think even the five points
of fellowship thing, partly that

1271
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,520
was that was borrowed from
Freemasonry, by the way.

1272
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:37,480
So in any case, I I think the
primary concern is for modesty

1273
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:45,920
and because we live in the age
of sexualization of everything,

1274
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,360
we have to be super careful
anyway.

1275
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,320
That's kind of my thoughts along
those lines.

1276
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,280
Thank you for bringing that up.
And where were we?

1277
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:56,920
I was going to bring it up
anyway.

1278
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,080
My bad.
I do that.

1279
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,680
No, that's awesome.
That's a very serious thing.

1280
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,400
Your job is to to to bring up
good stuff.

1281
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,920
My job is to kind of take us on.
So here we go, halfway do that

1282
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,040
paragraph.
Removing clothing and putting on

1283
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,520
clothing are the captions.
And when it's in quotations,

1284
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,840
that's what the hieroglyphs are
saying that are attached to the

1285
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,320
image.
Removing clothing and putting on

1286
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,360
clothing captions to a right
represented in several

1287
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:32,280
contemporary temples.
Putting hands upon the God and

1288
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,360
receive and removing the
clothing so they're getting a

1289
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,640
new garment before they
participate in the rituals.

1290
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,360
So far so good.
It just seems so familiar.

1291
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,760
Just so, so familiar.
Right.

1292
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,920
The correspondency.
Putting on clothing, utterance,

1293
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,080
putting on clothing.
Let's see if it might be

1294
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,280
removing clothing, putting on
clothing that she might achieve

1295
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,000
the state of living.
She was hotspeth, so the king

1296
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,040
was woman in this case.
Right.

1297
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,480
So putting the hand on the God,
and there's the God of the

1298
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:10,120
temple again with this compass,
the sign and what we would say,

1299
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,280
the sign of the the navel.
There's another symbol we don't

1300
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,520
need to know Egyptian to
understand the significance of

1301
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,240
two very important symbols.
We talked about the Unk, the

1302
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,320
other one in on the left you see
the God of the temple, what he's

1303
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:28,200
holding in his left hand.
That staff or scepter means

1304
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:33,520
power, authority, priesthood.
So.

1305
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,440
So when you see the ankh and the
scepter, and you'll see the king

1306
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:39,720
holding them, or the God of the
Amun holding them both.

1307
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:45,720
That's eternal life and power.
And there's the painting of it,

1308
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:54,360
the actual relief.
Now here is the details of the

1309
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:59,240
costume of Tutmos 3 on facade in
that temple.

1310
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:04,400
What it's showing is, is a close
up of the clothing, the garment

1311
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,600
of the initiate that they had
received.

1312
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,200
Now, yes, it is Egyptian, but
look very carefully the robe

1313
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,720
itself.
Is.

1314
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:22,440
Worn over the left shoulder.
Then there is an apron and a

1315
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:26,960
sash that hangs down to the
opposite side of the robe going

1316
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,920
over the left shoulder.
Wow.

1317
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:38,080
Brother, it's almost 4000 years
apart and any endowed latter day

1318
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,800
St. with eyes and a brain would
look at this and go.

1319
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,600
I know what that is.
Yep.

1320
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:49,440
That's the kind of stuff this
just makes my makes my heart

1321
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:50,760
race, you know?
That's.

1322
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,680
Crazy.
That's crazy.

1323
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,440
And and again, let's put this
into context.

1324
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,520
He certainly he's older by this
time, but.

1325
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,240
Older.
Well, Joseph Smith is older.

1326
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:06,000
At this time.
He's.

1327
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,600
Older.
Older than.

1328
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,120
Older than than than 14, right
is what I'm saying?

1329
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,640
Consider what he did in. 20
years, That's it. 20 years.

1330
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,120
That's all we had.
Look, the I don't believe the

1331
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,680
Rosetta Stone had been fully
translated at this.

1332
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:21,400
Point.
No, no.

1333
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:22,920
Right.
Well, well.

1334
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,400
Champa Leone had cracked it, but
it hadn't been published or made

1335
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,360
note to anybody.
Nobody had accepted it yet.

1336
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,280
Champa Leone lived, yeah.
And Joseph would not have had

1337
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:38,480
access to even renderings of of
some of these reliefs that are

1338
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:41,920
painted on this temple in Egypt.
No, he had access to none of it.

1339
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,080
Super good guesser.
Well, what he had was the

1340
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:51,200
miraculously the Abraham papyri.
Yeah.

1341
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,120
And without any help, he
correctly identified the

1342
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,360
elements.
Yeah, Yep.

1343
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,640
And translate, translated,
received revelations, was

1344
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,760
accurate regarding the ancient
Egyptians and ancient Enoch, et

1345
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,680
cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
We've had that conversation.

1346
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,400
The next plate we're going to
look at, pausing the

1347
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,520
presentation of divine offerings
to Abu and Ray, the Lord of the

1348
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:21,600
temple, having achieved the
state of being given life like

1349
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:27,320
Ray, the ultimate God, forever
divine offerings.

1350
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,640
I didn't understand because we
in ancient religions, you see

1351
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,120
people making sacrifice to the
gods and burning stuff and give

1352
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,640
you something.
And I thought, what a stupid

1353
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,760
waste.
I didn't get what was going on

1354
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,960
until I saw it in context of
these Egyptian rites.

1355
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,160
So here it is.
There's Amun sitting on his

1356
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,080
throne and in his hands he has
power, the scepter and eternal

1357
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:53,160
life.
And here is King Hotzebeth,

1358
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:59,800
dressed in the robes, giving
everything he has, and an

1359
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,720
ancient Egypt that is
significant, All the meat

1360
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:08,880
belongings and drink and grapes
and and everything giving it to

1361
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,880
the God.
Do we do that?

1362
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,160
Consecration my man.
Good answer.

1363
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,760
So this is not just the stupid
sacrifice.

1364
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,400
This is the king being willing
to consecrate everything he has

1365
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,640
to God.
Yeah.

1366
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,080
That's awesome.
That's fascinating.

1367
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,080
By the way, down in the right
hand corner, it shows where this

1368
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,480
happens.
You see right there, it's in

1369
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:38,960
that bottom room.
That's where that.

1370
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,480
Figure is so you see how it
progresses through the temple,

1371
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:45,880
and there's the painting of it.
It's amazing.

1372
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,280
You ever wish?
I I say painting, it's actually

1373
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:52,160
carved into the wall or
plastered sometimes, and then

1374
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:53,640
they'd paint over it.
Right.

1375
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,680
It'd be cool to see that in
person. 4000 years old, almost

1376
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,360
33,500.
Then we get to the inner

1377
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,240
sanctuaries.
The last of the intact ritual

1378
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,240
scenes in the five chambers is
repeated in a mirrored

1379
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,840
representation of yet another
rite from the temple Temple

1380
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,600
sanctuary ritual.
The king is shown leaning

1381
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,160
forward and wrapping his arms
around the God.

1382
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:25,760
Although this image is bereft of
explication, of of explicating

1383
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,160
caption, both here and in
numerous other examples of it,

1384
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,040
including five other places in
this in the ambulatory the

1385
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,760
entrance, there does exist an
exemplar which shows the same

1386
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,880
action and offers both caption
and recitation, putting your

1387
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:46,080
hands on the God.
So in both left and the right,

1388
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,920
but the right hand in
particular, see how they're

1389
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:55,520
embracing.
Yep, Yep, it makes me.

1390
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,400
It makes me curious if if these
were more than just

1391
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,040
representations, if this isn't
the script that they're reading

1392
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,400
from, so to speak.
Well, the very first explanation

1393
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,480
of the slide said they these
scenes indicate that they were

1394
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:15,360
re enacted in that room.
Yeah they were they were rights

1395
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,080
that they participated in.
Now this one is not from the

1396
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:24,000
temple of Almun Ray, but it's
the clearest one I've ever seen.

1397
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,560
This line drawing and the
hieroglyphics above it are

1398
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,040
translated here.
This is taken from the message

1399
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,000
of the Joseph Smith Papyri in
Egyptian Endowment, page 242.

1400
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,440
Before we get to the punchline
here, he had two editions of

1401
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,040
this book.
Message of the Joseph Smith

1402
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,720
Papyri.
I looked for this image in my

1403
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,240
most recent publication, the
newest edition.

1404
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:55,200
It's not there, but when I went
online and bought a used version

1405
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,920
of the 1st edition, it is there,
right?

1406
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,520
Let let me.
Well, here's the.

1407
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,280
Question.
Why didn't it survive in the

1408
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:09,360
second edition?
Because it says too much.

1409
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,680
Right.
Well, I was.

1410
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,720
But that's OK.
I'm going to tell everybody

1411
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,440
here.
I I was I I'm going to ask you a

1412
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:20,640
question here and if you don't
want to answer, it's OK.

1413
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,200
OK.
Although I I may ask, ask you

1414
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,400
later on.
OK.

1415
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,480
It's something that that some
LDS folks, depending on when you

1416
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:32,760
received your endowment,
wouldn't be wouldn't have a

1417
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:38,800
whole bunch of knowledge of.
I received mine in 82 K so yes,

1418
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,120
I I I do remember it well, yes.
OK.

1419
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,560
And I'm trying to be sensitive
here.

1420
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,520
You brought it up on so I'm
going to ask here.

1421
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:47,640
Right.
Five points Fellowship.

1422
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,800
That's where I was going, Yep.
Is this a depiction of that?

1423
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:56,040
Because I'm looking at it and it
looks eerily familiar to that

1424
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,280
it's missing a.
Future it does.

1425
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,840
It's missing a few things, but
it's too close to be

1426
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,840
coincidental.
Well, and here's the significant

1427
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:09,280
thing, the the this.
The phrase five points of

1428
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,520
fellowship is one of the
borrowings from Freemasonry.

1429
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,760
Right.
OK, that's not the significant.

1430
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,080
How many points?
How many parts of your body are

1431
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,840
touching?
No, is is not the significant

1432
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,240
aspect of what's happening.
What is significant?

1433
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:30,000
It's the embrace.
It's the embrace, which, again,

1434
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,720
I'm trying to remember in
Hebrew, to be enrolled means

1435
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:41,520
exactly the same thing as being
embraced, he nibbly wrote,

1436
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:46,440
published an article in The
Enzyme called The Embrace or

1437
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:49,920
something where he goes into
great detail and points out in

1438
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,080
places in the Book of Mormon
where we completely missed the

1439
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,480
symbolism of that.
And.

1440
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,880
It's not just symbolic, it is
literal.

1441
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:02,720
What better way to be received
into the Kingdom of God than to

1442
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:07,880
be welcomed home like the
prodigal son being given a robe

1443
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,440
of glory?
Absolutely.

1444
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,200
And we're.
Going to talk more about that.

1445
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:18,040
So this thing blows my mind, and
I believe it was not put in the

1446
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:22,400
second new edition because it's
a little too explanatory.

1447
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,360
Right.
I will not draw connections.

1448
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:31,840
I'm not reading anything
divulging any from the temple.

1449
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,440
What I am reading are those
Egyptian hieroglyphs right

1450
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:39,040
there.
He that Thoth ears let him hear

1451
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,520
right a coronation embrace which
says Shu and this is the Lord of

1452
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:47,120
this temple of Shu.
The Lord of Thrones says to the

1453
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:54,080
new king, quote, I give to thee
all life, strength, priesthood,

1454
01:27:54,080 --> 01:28:01,440
power, and health.
Next slide.

1455
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,040
Oh, Joseph was such a good
guesser.

1456
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,640
Now let me point out here the
obvious.

1457
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,360
So which is more similar to our
temple rites at this point,

1458
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:17,480
Freemasonry or 3500 year old
Egyptian rites?

1459
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,360
Oh, the Egyptian.
Almost 100%.

1460
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,800
You know, and and and here's the
thing, right?

1461
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:32,280
You use the word borrow from the
from the Masons, yeah.

1462
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,960
Yeah.
I I'm gonna say I I don't think

1463
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,360
he borrowed anything.
I think he recognized it for

1464
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:44,040
what it was, right?
I think like Joseph said, it was

1465
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:48,440
it was a degenerated form of
these rights and how?

1466
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:49,840
Why wouldn't it be?
He knew.

1467
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,200
That he was.
Restoring something from

1468
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:52,920
previous dispensations.
Right.

1469
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:57,200
And if you listen to some of the
old legends about Freemasonry, I

1470
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:01,680
mean it, it descends.
And depending on how much stock

1471
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,000
you want to put into it, it
descends from that time, right?

1472
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:09,040
Yep, Yep.
So here's from the going back to

1473
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,560
the Medina Habu Temple.
Ah, Moon Ray, Lord of the

1474
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,160
Heaven, Chief of the gods.
Word spoken to you, I have given

1475
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:22,600
all life, stability and
dominion, all health and all joy

1476
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,040
on my part.
In as much as I love you living

1477
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:31,040
like Ray forever, What's crazy
is right.

1478
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:37,760
This, translated into English
from Egyptian hieroglyphic for

1479
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:43,120
millennia old, is almost
identical to what Joseph Smith

1480
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,000
receives by revelation.
Right.

1481
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,280
The accuracy of Revelation
sometimes astounds me, as you'll

1482
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,280
see.
And here's the image again.

1483
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:53,960
The Embrace.
Yep.

1484
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:02,480
This is cool.
This plate in the Medina Almond

1485
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:07,240
Ray as he gives life.
Notice what he's doing.

1486
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,440
Here's the Embrace.
Almond Ray is on the right, The

1487
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:13,320
King is on the left.
They're in the embrace of what

1488
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,800
he's doing.
It's hard to see here.

1489
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:19,240
You'll see it in the painting.
He is inserting the UNK into the

1490
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:24,000
mouth of the initiate, which is
literally giving him eternal

1491
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,120
life.
Yeah.

1492
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:30,640
Some also striking parallels to
breathing the breath of life.

1493
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:32,960
Amen.
Amen.

1494
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,640
Rezi satisfies the heart as he
gives all life, all stability

1495
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,840
and dominion.
Oh, I'm sorry.

1496
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,520
There it is.
See, you can see the UNK very

1497
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,440
clearly.
He inserted into his mouth.

1498
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:49,320
He gives all life, and there's
the painting of it.

1499
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:53,960
And here it is again, in another
relief.

1500
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,480
You know, and the other thing
that that I want to point out

1501
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:03,880
that I've always felt was
symbolic about the UNK, is that

1502
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:11,080
it seems to take two symbols
that quite frankly, I feel like

1503
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:16,360
we as Mormons need to to embrace
a little more, not the ankh

1504
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:21,640
itself, but it's, it's a cross
with the sign of eternity on

1505
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:26,040
top, right.
If that does not point to to to

1506
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:30,400
what would become Christian
theology, I don't know what

1507
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,880
does.
Let's see.

1508
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,560
And then the next plan, the
words that are spoken here, come

1509
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,400
with me to the great mansion.
Good God, that your father Amun

1510
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,560
may see you in this beautiful
crown that I have given to you,

1511
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,640
so that you may achieve the
state of living forever,

1512
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,400
inviting him.
What to the great Mansion?

1513
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,680
All right.
Then again, he gives all life

1514
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,720
dominion, all stability, all
health, all joy, every offering,

1515
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,320
all provisions like Ray, like
the Godfather forever.

1516
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,600
Right.
And there they are.

1517
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:16,830
Now.
This last one is really hard to

1518
01:32:16,830 --> 01:32:19,110
make out.
This is a a dyad.

1519
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:23,630
It's a statue of carving a large
one that has been severely

1520
01:32:23,630 --> 01:32:27,630
defaced.
What it is depicting are two

1521
01:32:27,710 --> 01:32:31,830
people sitting side by side on a
throne.

1522
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:37,430
So after completing all of these
rituals, the initiate passes

1523
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:41,550
through a veil and goes into
this room which symbolizes

1524
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,960
sitting.
And this is, I think it's the

1525
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,800
God Amun Ray on the right, on on
their right, on our left.

1526
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,880
And sitting next to him with
their arms around each other, is

1527
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:58,280
the initiate, the king
inheriting the throne of God.

1528
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:03,440
Right.
And that's the that's the end of

1529
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:05,720
that presentation on the
Egyptian endowment.

1530
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,920
That's awesome.
So let let me ask you this.

1531
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,400
In these Egyptian temples, were
there both male and female

1532
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,960
initiates, or was this just for
men?

1533
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,280
I don't know.
Well, in this case, the King was

1534
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,400
a woman, right?
Hot's upset.

1535
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,560
Yeah.
So I guess that might be an

1536
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,960
answer to your question.
OK, Yep, Yep, absolutely.

1537
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:33,320
Now, one of my specialities,
temple rites and ancient

1538
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,440
Judeo-christian traditions,
which you and Drew alluded to in

1539
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:43,280
a previous podcast, and this is
drawn from pages 281 to three,

1540
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:49,440
page between from pages 281 to
page page 334 of my book.

1541
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:57,440
If you do the math, that's 53
pages, 8 1/2 by 11 pages of

1542
01:33:57,440 --> 01:34:02,600
temple references that I found
in these ancient texts.

1543
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,640
And if they want to buy the
book, where can they do that?

1544
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,560
Amazon.
Amazon.

1545
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,720
Yep.
Mormon doctrine in Apocrypha.

1546
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:16,880
OK, this one.
No, this is one of those gifts

1547
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,840
that you just stumble across.
I was just on the Internet, on

1548
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,080
the Internet 12 years ago, and
CBS News had posted this

1549
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:29,920
photograph, this news article
with this explanation, which I

1550
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,000
quote.
Marks carved in the bedrock over

1551
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:39,960
2800 years ago are seen in an
archaeological excavation in the

1552
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,400
city of David near Jerusalem's
Old City.

1553
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:50,520
Have archaeologists stumped?
If there was only somebody who

1554
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,880
could maybe, I don't know, put
some context around those.

1555
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,840
Compass the square on a straight
line.

1556
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,160
Oh my gosh.
I looked at that and I'm like, I

1557
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,680
was giddy.
We know exactly what that is.

1558
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:10,760
Yep.
Carved into the bedrock around

1559
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:17,160
800 BC.
All right.

1560
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,320
Now Hugh Nibley, he wrote an
article called The Compass in

1561
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,520
the Square which he points out
the significance.

1562
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,640
They call them Ghomesha Gamma
marks.

1563
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,720
Throughout early Christianity
and in Greek culture and in

1564
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,160
ancient Chinese culture, these
symbols are of ancient day.

1565
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,880
OK, you want to hear my Spock
story?

1566
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,280
This might be a good place.
For oh, this is a good place for

1567
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:44,640
Spock.
OK, so I watched an old

1568
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,880
documentary on Star Trek The
Original Series, OK?

1569
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:55,520
And someone asked Leonard Nimoy,
who grew up in a devoutly Jewish

1570
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:01,520
Home, OK, where he came up with
the sign of Live Long and

1571
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:06,920
Prosper.
He said that a rabbi had come

1572
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:12,200
over once to talk to his
parents, and he had something he

1573
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,640
wanted to talk to him about that
was really sacred.

1574
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:20,400
And he told young Leonard Nimoy
to go upstairs so he could talk

1575
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:25,440
to his parents, and the rabbi
had pronounced something.

1576
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,800
But as he held up his hands, he
held up both hands to the

1577
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:34,760
square, and made this symbol as
he did it.

1578
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:39,640
Wow.
Now let me back that up further.

1579
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:47,520
There is a converted Jew who is
a major author I enjoy some of

1580
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,360
his books.
Won't say everything in there I

1581
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:52,880
agree with, but there's a lot in
there that that I think's

1582
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,640
worthwhile.
His name is is Jonathan Cahn,

1583
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:03,320
and he's still incorporates much
of his Judaism into his

1584
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:08,880
Christian teaching.
I once saw him give a blessing,

1585
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,480
a prayer on, of all places, the
Glenn Beck Program.

1586
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:19,800
Glenn asked him if he would be
willing to give him a prayer as

1587
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,960
they left, and he graciously
accepted.

1588
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,400
As he prayed, he raised both
arms to the square and made this

1589
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,280
symbol.
Wow.

1590
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,880
I asked a buddy of mine who's
Jewish what that would mean.

1591
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,200
He's like, oh, that's that's
compass in a square.

1592
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,200
Nuts, Nuts.
So.

1593
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,360
Do I look surprised at all?
Wow.

1594
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,720
No.
No, I but but I find it very

1595
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:54,000
fascinating that these echoes
continue, even outside of

1596
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,280
Mormonism, to reverberate
through all of humanity.

1597
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,480
Well, what are the chances that
Joseph Smith would have known

1598
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,840
that the Compass and Square
predates Freemasonry by 3000

1599
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,360
years?
You wouldn't.

1600
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:06,520
You couldn't.
Wouldn't.

1601
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,880
There's no way.
There's no way.

1602
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,720
And not only that, restoring its
sacred.

1603
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,920
Symbolism.
Not just as tools of masonry.

1604
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,080
Right.
Wow.

1605
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:20,920
Yep.
All right.

1606
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,320
Temple blessings in ancient
texts.

1607
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:25,760
Second Enoch.
And I love this one.

1608
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,400
This So when I read this, it's
like what is this coming out of

1609
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:30,040
the enzyme or general conference
or something.

1610
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,880
Quote it is good to go to the
Lord's temple.

1611
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:39,360
UN quote we we had this from
2000 years ago.

1612
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,000
It's good to go to the Lord's
temple.

1613
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,480
Dead Sea Scrolls page 121.
EBIT hath ears to hear.

1614
01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:49,000
Let him hear through a gracious
visitation.

1615
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,080
All who walk in this spirit of
God will know.

1616
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:57,920
Healing bountiful peace, long
life, and multiple progeny,

1617
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:01,520
followed by eternal blessings
and perpetual joy.

1618
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,560
Through life everlasting, they
will receive a crown of glory

1619
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,840
with a robe of honor resplendent
forever and ever.

1620
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:14,120
Sounds vaguely familiar.
I didn't say.

1621
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,880
That all right from the
trimorphic protonoya.

1622
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,800
By the way, If you want to know
what any of these texts are, I

1623
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:21,960
can tell you a little bit about
it.

1624
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:25,640
But it says, and I, God, am
inviting you into the exalted

1625
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,920
perfect light.
Moreover, As for this light,

1626
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,960
when you enter it, you will be
glorified by those who give

1627
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,760
glory, and those who enthrone
will enthrone you.

1628
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,160
You will accept robes from those
who give robes, and the

1629
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,880
Baptizers will baptize you, and
you will become gloriously

1630
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,560
glorious, the way you first were
when you were light.

1631
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,160
You know, there's several words
in there that are uniquely

1632
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:56,040
Mormon that aren't used in
again, quoting orthodox

1633
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:00,560
Christianity, this idea of
exaltation, this idea of

1634
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,200
enthronement, these are all very
Mormon things.

1635
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:09,720
Yeah, Amen.
Consecration in ancient texts,

1636
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,680
Dead Sea Scrolls, all who
volunteer for his truth are to

1637
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:18,000
bring the full measure of their
knowledge, strength and wealth

1638
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,800
into the jihad or the community
of God.

1639
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,440
The indominant ancient texts,
the book.

1640
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:29,520
Now this doesn't seem like a lot
till you realize what it's

1641
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,360
saying.
Then Adam and Eve took, so

1642
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:33,360
they're kicked out of the
garden.

1643
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,400
Adam and Eve took stones and
placed them in the shape of an

1644
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,480
altar.
Why is that a big deal?

1645
01:40:40,440 --> 01:40:45,560
Well, 'cause, without getting
too graphic, there's certain

1646
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,400
parts within the endowment and
certainly within Moses and

1647
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:51,840
Abraham that talks about Adam
and Eve making altars.

1648
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:56,200
Why is that a big deal 'cause
it's not in the Bible at all?

1649
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,960
Well, it's a big deal because I
think, I think here we show that

1650
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,960
that you know, as pointed out in
the book of Adam and Eve, there

1651
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:11,560
are echoes right that that this,
this is not necessarily an

1652
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,040
unbroken chain, an unbroken
chain, but we can look back and

1653
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,480
see the links.
What demonstrates what Joseph

1654
01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:19,800
was claiming?
He wasn't inventing anything

1655
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:20,920
new?
Nope.

1656
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:25,240
He was restoring even teeny
details like this building an

1657
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:26,360
altar.
Why is that a big deal?

1658
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,000
Because Joseph Smith luckily
guessed that that's what they

1659
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,720
did, and the Bible said nothing
about it.

1660
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,720
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1662
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,840
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Mormonism isn't just a religion,

1663
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1664
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1667
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1668
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This is the flag that I use as

1669
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:58,000
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This was also used for a good

1670
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And then the template figures

1700
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:30,720
absolutely prominently.
And and then he, he goes to

1701
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,800
Missouri and Adam on diamond and
goes, oh, you know what that is

1702
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,640
right there worshiped at the
altar.

1703
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,960
That's one of those altars.
That's amazing.

1704
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,120
Yep, Look of Adam and Eve, page
6465.

1705
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:48,160
Then Satan said unto Adam.
But now, O Adam, by reason of

1706
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:53,000
thy fault, thou art under my
rule, and I am king over thee,

1707
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:56,920
because thou hast hearken to me
and has transgressed against

1708
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:58,680
God.
Neither will there be any

1709
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,760
deliverance from my hands until
the day promised thee by God.

1710
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:06,720
Again he said, he that hath ears
to hear, let him hear in as much

1711
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:11,480
as we do not know the day agreed
upon with thee by thy God, nor

1712
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:13,160
the hour at which thou shalt be
delivered.

1713
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:18,880
For that reason we will multiply
war and murder upon thee and thy

1714
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,680
seed after thee.
This is our will and our good

1715
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,680
pleasure, that we may not leave
one of the sons of men to

1716
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:32,880
inherit our orders in heaven.
Investiture of the abaton Angel

1717
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,720
of death, page 539.
But the devil lived near the

1718
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,840
paradise, lying in wait for them
day and night.

1719
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:42,800
When he saw Eve alone, he said
to her in the mouth with the

1720
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,920
mouth of the servant.
Why do you not eat from the tree

1721
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,360
in the midst of paradise, like
from all the trees, for its

1722
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:53,440
fruits are good.
But she said, when eating, the

1723
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:56,480
Lord told us, eat from every
tree of paradise except the tree

1724
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:00,080
of knowledge of good and evil.
In the day you will eat from it.

1725
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:02,760
Now this is biblical.
You will surely die.

1726
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,320
This is not, the servant told
her.

1727
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:09,680
You will not die, but you will
be like gods, and you will know

1728
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,720
good and evil, and you will
distinguish sweet from bitter

1729
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:21,720
sacred names in ancient texts,
because we know sacred names are

1730
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:22,920
critical.
Yes.

1731
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,120
Now worship right now at this
time when you come, oh, I should

1732
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,160
back up.
This is from the first book of

1733
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:33,960
you there, the 1st, the 2nd book
of you in the Pistol Sophia,

1734
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:35,640
which we talked about Once Upon
a time.

1735
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:40,560
Jesus Christ tells them the
context of these temple rites,

1736
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,040
why they're performed, where
they're performed.

1737
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:47,080
And then he says if you want to
know more about these rites in

1738
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,000
The Pistol Sophia, he says refer
to the books of Yayo.

1739
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,920
The books of Yayu are the temple
script.

1740
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:00,160
Wow.
The script these are the rights,

1741
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,640
except when it gets to the point
of where it's says the name,

1742
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,600
it's not written, it's left
blank.

1743
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:12,720
Yeah, because everybody's going
to have a different name.

1744
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,200
Yeah, you're not supposed to
read it, right.

1745
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,080
Right.
Well, depending on which name

1746
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,640
you're talking about.
Right.

1747
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,040
Let let me let me ask this
question to you, Ken.

1748
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:27,480
So the temple at Jerusalem, I
don't think we're doing these

1749
01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:31,360
kind of temple ordinances.
The temple in Jerusalem is

1750
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:39,560
primarily for sacrifices.
So where would they end up

1751
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,280
performing these rituals if not
in a temple?

1752
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:47,520
Well, what?
I'm putting you here first book

1753
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:53,000
of eight, this is Sophia.
We're taught after the advent of

1754
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:57,800
Christ, Jesus Christ restored
these.

1755
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:02,360
So these are not, these are not
pseudepographic these.

1756
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:07,240
These are referred to as Gnostic
texts, which are basically texts

1757
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:10,720
from the Christian era, coming
from what's called the 40 day

1758
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,440
literature, which loosely means
the teachings that Jesus gave

1759
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:17,240
his disciples after his
resurrection.

1760
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,040
After his resurrection, he
appeared to them briefly and he

1761
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:25,000
said, go to Jerusalem and I will
meet you there and I will.

1762
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:31,680
The New Testament word is ENDUEI
will endue you with power, which

1763
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:36,760
is the same thing is endowed.
So what did He do before He was

1764
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:38,720
to send them out into the world
on their own?

1765
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,240
He endowed them.
Right.

1766
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,320
And so first the piss of Sophia
in the books of Yay belonged to

1767
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,760
that period.
OK, now other references to

1768
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,320
that, like First Enoch and
others refer to the ancient the

1769
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:54,560
the Fathers, the priests of the
Fathers, those who had

1770
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,160
Melchizedek Priested prior to
the children of Israel.

1771
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,440
Right.
So Adam up to and including

1772
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,400
Abraham had Melchizedek
Priesthood.

1773
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:07,520
Right.
It was only Moses and his

1774
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:10,200
followers.
Or Moses did, but his followers

1775
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:12,640
did not, because they were not
prepared to receive it.

1776
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,320
Right.
So the first book of you, page

1777
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:17,720
89.
Now at this time, when you come

1778
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:21,760
forth from all these places, say
these names, which I, Jesus

1779
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,080
Christ, have said to you with
their seals so that you are

1780
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:31,440
sealed with them, and say the
names of their seals while their

1781
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:34,880
cipher is in your hands.
Cipher is a token, right?

1782
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:40,400
So.
Interesting word for for a

1783
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:43,240
token, a cipher.
Yes, exactly.

1784
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,680
What is a cipher?
It's something that helps you

1785
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,440
translate or recognize
something.

1786
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:52,560
And it's something that I don't
think has been given by by

1787
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,880
Mormons of all stripes, haven't
been given their due of

1788
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:59,880
analyzing those tokens.
There's there's rich

1789
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:03,400
significance in those.
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that

1790
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,520
up.
That's a very good, awesome

1791
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,040
point.
I am just gonna very quickly.

1792
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:19,960
My stupid phone will work.
The definition of cipher a

1793
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:25,080
secret or disguised way of
writing a code.

1794
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:33,800
So it's a code, a secret code,
but it's talking about that

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01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,360
token, right?
So.

1796
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:40,000
So when you come to this certain
place, say this name, make this

1797
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,720
seal or sign, and do this with
your hand and the watchers and

1798
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,040
the ranks at the veils are
drawn.

1799
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,800
Back.
Until you go to the place of

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01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:55,200
their father.
So to pass by these you have to

1801
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,520
produce these name size tokens
again.

1802
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,480
You will cross over them all
into the places of those of the

1803
01:50:01,480 --> 01:50:05,920
innermost until you go to the
place of the true God Gospel of

1804
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:10,240
Philip.
One single name is not uttered

1805
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:14,040
in the world, The name which the
Father gave to the Son.

1806
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,760
It is the name, above all
things, the name of the Father.

1807
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:23,120
For the Son would not become
Father unless he wore the name

1808
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,440
of the Father.
Those who have this name know

1809
01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:31,520
it, but they do not speak it.
But those who but those who do

1810
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:35,760
not have it, do not know it.
Interesting.

1811
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:40,840
This is Sophia, page 33, Jesus
said unto them, There is no

1812
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:43,640
mystery.
And whenever you see mystery in

1813
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,080
these gnostic texts, they're
talking about ordinances.

1814
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,160
Right.
Temple Right.

1815
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,600
There is no mystery which is
more excellent than these

1816
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,960
mysteries on which ye question
you're asking me about, in that

1817
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:00,080
it will lead your souls into the
light of the lights, into the

1818
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,920
region of Truth and goodness,
into the region of the Holy of

1819
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:07,320
all Holies.
And there is no name which is

1820
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:11,920
more excellent than them all,
the name in which are all names,

1821
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:16,760
and all likes, and all powers.
Who then knoweth that name, if

1822
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:19,920
he cometh out of the body of
matter or physical bodies.

1823
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:23,480
When you leave the physical
body, nor smoke, nor darkness,

1824
01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:26,000
nor authority, nor ruler of the
fate sphere or Angel or

1825
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,080
Archangel, nor any power can
hold down the soul which knoweth

1826
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:35,000
that name.
Fascinating.

1827
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,600
The Order of Prayer.
The true order of prayer in

1828
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,120
ancient texts.
First Enoch, page 45.

1829
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:47,600
And Noah cried out to his
grandfather Enoch, who since was

1830
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,440
taken from the earth, and he
said it to him three times with

1831
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:55,920
a bitter voice.
Hear me, Hear me, Hear me.

1832
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:03,760
The Acts of John page one 81183
before Jesus was arrested by the

1833
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,280
lawless Jews whose lawgiver is
the lawless Serpent, He

1834
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:11,880
assembled us apostles all and
said, before I am delivered to

1835
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:16,520
them, Let us sing a hymn to the
Father, and so go to meet what

1836
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:19,440
lies before us.
Now we have that from the New

1837
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:21,000
Testament, right?
Right.

1838
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,960
The last thing he did with his
disciples before his crucifixion

1839
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:31,200
was they sang a hymn.
A hymn in Judaism is involves A

1840
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,080
Cantor and a response.
Right.

1841
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:37,680
What they do today, what we
sing, are chorals.

1842
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:39,360
They're not hymns, right?
Right.

1843
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:45,600
And so the Cantor sings the line
and the and the response.

1844
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:49,720
The the audience, the attendees
sing it back.

1845
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:51,360
They repeat the same.
Thing back.

1846
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:54,640
It's a call and response.
That's what it's also called.

1847
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:57,160
This is what Jesus said to his
disciples.

1848
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:02,200
Let's sing a hymn.
So he told us to form a circle

1849
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:09,000
holding one another's hands, and
himself stood in the middle and

1850
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:14,280
and and said answer Amen to me.
So he began to sing a hymn.

1851
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,640
And when you have seen what I
do, keep silence about my

1852
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:20,760
mysteries.
As I say.

1853
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,320
The Berlin Strasburg Apocryph on
page 179.

1854
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:31,320
But now gather to me, O my holy
members, dance and answer to me.

1855
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,760
Nibbles believes that the
original prayer circle that we

1856
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:43,240
moved while we the the initials
were to move while well.

1857
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,880
As you can see, if if we were
Jews, we would sing.

1858
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:53,000
That you order.
The scriptures tell us to pray

1859
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:56,720
with all the energy of heart.
Doctor Covenant says that the

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01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:59,280
song of the righteous is a
prayer unto me.

1861
01:53:59,960 --> 01:54:01,560
We don't.
We don't know how to do that.

1862
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,120
I believe there will come a time
when we will.

1863
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:06,800
Yep.
So when?

1864
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,000
So it's not just blah blah blah
blah.

1865
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,880
It is yes.
Seeing it right at any rate.

1866
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:19,160
But now gathered to me a whole
Oh my holy members dance and

1867
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,040
answer to me so repeat what I'm
doing.

1868
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:25,960
The Savior, He stood up and we
made a circle surrounding him.

1869
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:30,920
The discourse of the Savior and
the dance of the Savior.

1870
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,360
Of course, he newly talks about
all these called the ancient

1871
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,800
Christian prayer circle.
The early Christian prayer

1872
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,880
circle, I think, is the essay.
It happened one day that the

1873
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,360
Savior was sitting on the Mount
of Olives before the law

1874
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:42,640
breaking.
Jews had crucified him.

1875
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:45,360
We all gathered with him, He
answered, saying All my holy

1876
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:51,800
members gather to me and I will
him the cross, I will sing it

1877
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:54,280
and you'll respond and you
answer me, he says.

1878
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:57,760
And we made a crown, and we
circled around him.

1879
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:03,680
Made a crown.
That's fascinating imagery.

1880
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:05,640
Tada.
You're good.

1881
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,240
You're good.
So the symbolism of that

1882
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,520
involves many things, but one of
them could be the crown and the

1883
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:15,160
crown.
The head being they were the

1884
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,040
crown of Christ's head.
Yep.

1885
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,480
It also symbolizes the
organization of the eternities.

1886
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,600
That.
Caught that God is in the center

1887
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:26,400
of all.
Things.

1888
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:30,240
Absolutely.
Surrounded by his creations.

1889
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:34,000
Well, and it's explicitly stated
in the Book of Mormon.

1890
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:40,960
Lehigh's vision circled about by
concourses, numerous concourses,

1891
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:43,000
beings singing praises into the
father.

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01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,240
Something like that.
You know, and I could for a

1893
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:51,880
while I've had.
I've had a thought and it comes

1894
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:58,680
from third Nephi 17 where Jesus
is praying for the children and

1895
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,640
blessing the children.
And what does it say the angels

1896
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:04,480
do when they come down?
They encircle the children.

1897
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:08,880
They encircle the children, I,
I, I have nothing to prove it

1898
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:15,040
distinctly, but something tells
me that has something to do with

1899
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:17,640
with with these prayer circles.
Clearly.

1900
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,720
Clearly.
First Enoch, page 45 Oh, I'm

1901
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:23,280
sorry.
We did that.

1902
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:25,800
Sacred garments in ancient
texts.

1903
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,160
I really love this and two
pages.

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01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:33,480
This because it actually adds to
my understanding of the

1905
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:35,480
symbolism and the significance
of God.

1906
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:39,200
First Enoch, page 44.
The righteous and elect ones

1907
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:43,480
shall rise from the earth and
shall cease being of downcast

1908
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:46,200
face.
They shall wear the garments of

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01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,840
glory.
These garments of yours shall

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01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:54,480
become these garments of yours
shall become the garments of

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01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,640
life from the Lord of the
Spirits.

1912
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:58,800
In other words, a perfect new
body.

1913
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:04,000
Neither shall your garments wear
out, nor your glory come to an

1914
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,120
end before the Lord of spirits.
That really is a.

1915
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,600
Beautiful.
Portrayal of the symbolism of

1916
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:13,320
the holy garment.
First Enoch, page 49, and I saw

1917
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:18,040
the sons of the holy Angels
walking upon the flame of fire.

1918
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,600
That's a description of the
conduit of light.

1919
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,920
Right.
They're walking on this flame of

1920
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,600
fire.
Their garments were white and

1921
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:33,360
their overcoats and the light of
their faces was like snow.

1922
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,440
Wow.
Second Enoch, page 138.

1923
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:41,240
And the Lord said unto Michael,
go and extract Enoch from his

1924
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:45,800
earthly clothing.
So we're going to translate it

1925
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:47,920
taken from this mortal body,
right?

1926
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:52,320
And anoint him with my
delightful oil, so anointing

1927
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,160
him, and put him into the close
of my glory.

1928
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:01,600
Holy cow.
Endowment, anyone?

1929
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:06,360
And Michael did just as the Lord
had said to him.

1930
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:09,880
He anointed me, And this is
Enoch speaking first person.

1931
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:12,840
He anointed me, and then he
clothed me.

1932
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,520
And the appearance of that oil
is greater than the greatest

1933
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:19,880
light, and its ointment is like
sweet dew, and its fragrance

1934
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,680
myrrh, and it is like the rays
of the glittering sun.

1935
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:26,400
And I looked at myself, and I
had become like one of his

1936
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,960
glorious ones, that there was no
observable difference.

1937
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:35,520
Wow. 3rd Enoch, page 274.
The gods.

1938
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:41,120
The God gerds men with garments
of life, and in time to come he

1939
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:45,520
will wrap the right, the
righteous and pious of the world

1940
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:53,320
in robes of life, wrap in circle
right in Rome, so that clad in

1941
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:55,880
them they may enjoy eternal
life.

1942
01:58:56,280 --> 01:59:03,080
The symbolism is identical.
Yep, Apocalypse of Peter, page

1943
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:06,200
633.
Then the angels brought my elect

1944
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:10,680
and righteous, who are perfect
in all righteousness, bearing

1945
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:13,800
them on their hands, clothed
with the garments of eternal

1946
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,440
life.
Berlin, Strasburg, Apocryphon

1947
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:19,640
page 177.
Blessed is the one who shall eat

1948
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:22,960
with me.
Christ in the Kingdom of heaven,

1949
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:26,760
you are the salt of the earth.
You are the lamp that

1950
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:32,120
illuminates the world.
Do not sleep nor slumber until

1951
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:34,680
you put on the garment of the
Kingdom.

1952
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:40,120
So don't die without getting the
garment, the one that I bought

1953
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:46,080
with the blood of the great he
he purchased.

1954
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,800
If the if.
The garment symbolizes our

1955
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,000
resurrected bodies.
He bought those.

1956
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:57,760
Cave of Treasures, page 542 As
soon as the rebel conceived this

1957
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:02,960
and was disobedient as regards
to the wish of wish of his soul

1958
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:05,200
and volition, he separated
himself from God.

1959
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:09,840
We're talking about Satan.
He was cast down and fell, he

1960
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:14,440
and his whole rank on Friday the
6th day, and their fall from

1961
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:17,120
heaven lasted for three hours.
By the way, that's like Mormon

1962
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:19,960
doctrine, right?
That's the fall of the same.

1963
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:24,400
And the garments of their glory
were taken from them.

1964
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:30,320
And he was called Satan, because
he set himself apart, and Shada,

1965
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:35,000
because his glory had been shed,
and he had forfeited the garment

1966
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,360
of his glory.
Behold, since that day until

1967
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:42,520
now, they are naked and bare and
despicable and a despicable look

1968
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:48,800
he and all his hosts.
OK, so that's a lot to unpack

1969
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:55,040
this idea of, and I'm not going
to get into it here, but Drew

1970
02:00:55,040 --> 02:01:01,440
Briny has done an annotated
version of Doctrine and Covenant

1971
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:05,160
section 76.
You should go read it because I

1972
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:09,400
think this is falling in line
with what that says.

1973
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:11,120
I won't go into detail 'cause
it's.

1974
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:11,520
Too.
No.

1975
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,160
No, you can't do that.
You gotta give us more than

1976
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:16,440
that.
You can't just drop a little

1977
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:18,920
hint and say nothing more.
Come on.

1978
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:25,600
OK, in his annotated version,
and I I hope I'm quoting this

1979
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:30,960
correctly, but we talked about
it on an episode Drew and I did.

1980
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:36,640
Where there was an understanding
with 76 that there was some

1981
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:42,760
background information that was
given on Satan and and Lucifer

1982
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:54,160
and that they may had become
darn near close to exalted and

1983
02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:59,600
that as punishment they became
without body again.

1984
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:04,080
Oh yeah, I see.
And so when it talks about the

1985
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:09,480
de robing of Satan there, it's
got some echoes to that.

1986
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:12,960
And there's some there's some
interesting dialogue between the

1987
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:18,280
early Brethren that's annotated
there that shed some light on

1988
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:21,640
some things that that, for
Mormons who are looking for

1989
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:25,200
something a little more meaty,
definitely is worth taking a

1990
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:27,520
look at.
Yep, it's.

1991
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:33,680
It constantly amazes me how far
reaching their thinking was in

1992
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:39,760
those early yes, I mean and they
were freely and openly

1993
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:44,360
speculating, yes.
But the but the the level of the

1994
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:47,600
speculation, the sophistication
of the speculation is really

1995
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:51,160
quite astonishing.
Well, and they were back saying

1996
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:56,080
Joseph had told me this about
this subject, and so Drew does a

1997
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:58,120
good job of connecting all the
dots.

1998
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:00,520
Now that's very interesting,
Very interesting.

1999
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:05,000
At the very least, we all know
that we had garments of glory in

2000
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:10,000
our premortal existence, and we
have set those aside when we

2001
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,840
came into mortality.
At the very least, that means

2002
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:17,800
that and we will retrieve our
former glory in addition to the

2003
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:21,960
glory that we will inherit as
having graduated from this

2004
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:23,840
mortal existence.
Excellent.

2005
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:27,560
Wow.
The Gospel of Philip, Page 144.

2006
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:33,560
In this world, those who put on
garments are better than the

2007
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:37,280
garments are.
We're we're we're of more worth

2008
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,360
than this cloth that we wear.
Right.

2009
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:44,760
In the Kingdom of heaven, the
garments are better than those

2010
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:50,480
that put them on the the
garments of glory our our

2011
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:53,200
eternal, glorious, immortal
bodies that we receive.

2012
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:55,200
Right.
We didn't.

2013
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,320
We didn't earn that.
Right.

2014
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:01,160
That's that.
Christ gave us that.

2015
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:04,520
Yep.
Based on our worthiness, yes.

2016
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,840
But they are better than we
actually are.

2017
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:10,280
We're We're given more than we
deserve.

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02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:15,800
Absolutely.
Ceilings in ancient texts,

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02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:21,920
Gospel of Philip, bridegrooms
and brides belong to the bridal

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02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,880
chamber.
No one shall be able to see the

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02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:29,240
bridegroom with the bride unless
he becomes such a one.

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02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:34,240
And there's one point in the
Gospel of Philip, and I quote it

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02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:38,400
here because it refers to the
bridal chamber routinely, and

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02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:40,320
we'll see that they're talking
about this holy of holies.

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02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:43,960
They equate it as the same
thing, but in one particular

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02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:48,320
instance it says, it calls it,
it adds A descriptor to the

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02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:53,320
bridal chamber and it says and I
quote the mirrored bridal

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02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:56,000
chamber.
Oh.

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02:04:57,160 --> 02:04:58,880
Come on.
Ceiling.

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02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:03,400
Rooms.
The mirrored bridal chamber?

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02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:05,480
That's just crazy.
Yeah, it is.

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02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:07,720
That didn't come from
Freemasonry.

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02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,320
No.
Gospel of Philip again.

2034
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:16,400
The Mysteries, ordinances of
truth are revealed, though in

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02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:21,240
type and image.
The bridal chamber, however,

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02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:28,640
remains hidden.
It is the Holy and the Holy, I I

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02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:29,680
think.
I don't know if we talked about

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02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:33,440
this before in the pioneer
temples like the Saint George

2039
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:38,920
Temple in particular, about
which I'm so excited.

2040
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:44,680
We're going to rededicate it on
Sunday, December 10th, and guess

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02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:48,760
who gets to be there?
You do nice.

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02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:53,800
Well, I'm, I'm running one of
the dedication choirs and it's

2043
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,800
we're going to sing in that
assembly room.

2044
02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:00,720
Oh, that's awesome.
I can't wait.

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02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:03,880
They sound so good.
We're going to sing.

2046
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:07,440
Nobody else knows this, by the
way, so I'm just telling your

2047
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:12,840
full audience, we're going to
sing Sweet as the work Redeemer

2048
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:18,920
of Israel and O My Father, in
addition to the Hosanna anthem,

2049
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,640
The Spirit of God, the O My
Father by Crawford Gates.

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02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:26,480
And if we do it right, nobody's
going to have any tears left.

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02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:29,080
It is so.
Gorgeous.

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02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:35,680
All right, In Saint George,
they're calling it the Golden

2053
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:41,080
ticket.
You know, everybody wants to go.

2054
02:06:41,960 --> 02:06:47,440
And the temple engineer says
that they can seat 640 people in

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02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:50,880
the assembly hall.
Nice, now that it's no longer

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02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:52,840
condemned.
Right.

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02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:55,960
They have steel I beams
supporting the floor.

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02:06:57,560 --> 02:07:04,840
All right, let's see, let's see.
The bridal chamber, however,

2059
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:06,720
remains hidden.
I was telling you in the Pioneer

2060
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:09,880
temples, you you entered the
Celestial Room in the Saint

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02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:16,400
George Temple, and then they
have a ceiling room attached to

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02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:20,280
the Celestial, which is?
You have to ascend stairs.

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02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:23,920
It's a level above right
celestial room.

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02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:27,320
It has been suggested that
represents exaltation relative

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02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:29,360
to the celestial degree.
Sure.

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02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:35,200
Yeah, I love that symbolism.
Those those pioneer era temples

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02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:40,040
they were designed very
specifically and and

2068
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:44,400
functionality while that
certainly was a component took a

2069
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:52,600
back seat to symbology and and
and it doesn't surprise me that

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02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:55,440
that that it was that way.
It was that way in Salt Lake, in

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02:07:55,440 --> 02:08:00,360
the Salt Lake Temple as well.
Yeah, yeah, let's see, where

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02:08:00,360 --> 02:08:05,120
were we?
And it is the holy and the holy.

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02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:10,640
The veil at first concealed how
God controlled the creation.

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02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:15,600
But when the veil is rent and
the things inside are revealed,

2075
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:20,080
this house will be left
desolate, talking about this

2076
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:22,440
world, or rather will be
destroyed.

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02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:26,560
If some belong to the order of
the priesthood, they will be

2078
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:29,880
able to go within the veil with
the high priest.

2079
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:34,480
But we shall go in there by
means of lowly types and forms

2080
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:39,400
of weakness, like the holy of
the Holies were revealed, and

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02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:41,920
the bridal chamber invited us
in.

2082
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:47,520
So it gets connecting the Second
Coming with the bridal chamber

2083
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:50,960
and the Holy of Holies, of being
worthy of, of not being

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02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:53,080
destroyed.
Gospel of Philip, page 160.

2085
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:56,680
But the mysteries of that
marriage are perfected rather in

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02:08:56,680 --> 02:09:01,360
the day, and the light neither
that day nor its light ever

2087
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:04,160
sets.
If anyone becomes a son of the

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02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:06,600
bridal chamber, he will receive
the light.

2089
02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:13,280
If anyone does not receive it
while he is here, he will not be

2090
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:14,920
able to receive it in the other
place.

2091
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:19,640
What is that telling us?
That these ordinances have to be

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02:09:19,640 --> 02:09:21,800
performed in this life.
Yep.

2093
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:24,200
Who else believes?
That.

2094
02:09:25,160 --> 02:09:29,240
Just Mormons?
Just who he who he who will

2095
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:33,240
receive that light will not be
seen, nor can he be detained

2096
02:09:33,400 --> 02:09:35,680
like the other scriptures, like
the other documents are saying,

2097
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:37,400
Right?
And none shall be able to

2098
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:40,960
torment a person like this, even
while he dwells in the world.

2099
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:45,280
Signs and tokens in ancient
texts.

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02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,640
By the way, the ones that I'm
listing here are just a

2101
02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:52,240
representation of.
I mean it's probably represents

2102
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:58,680
maybe 1/6 of what I have found.
Wow, so this is so there.

2103
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:04,880
It tested many many times over
the Coptic apocalypse of Paul

2104
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:07,360
then the Holy Spirit who was
speaking with him.

2105
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:13,520
Paul caught him up on high to
the 3rd heaven which Paul talks

2106
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:17,040
about in the New Testament and
he passed beyond the 4th heaven.

2107
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,320
Then he went up to the 7th
heaven.

2108
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:23,280
Oh my goodness, is this
blasphemy?

2109
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:28,920
Not to Mormons.
How many heavens are there?

2110
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:31,920
And of course, in primaries,
they'll say.

2111
02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:34,440
Three, right.
No, the doctrine.

2112
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:36,480
Covenants you say well there are
at.

2113
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:38,280
Least.
Five, right?

2114
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:41,120
Yep.
And you know that the other

2115
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:43,240
kingdoms.
You know section 88.

2116
02:10:44,280 --> 02:10:47,240
There is no space in which there
is no Kingdom, and there is no

2117
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:50,560
Kingdom in which there's no
space Suggests a lot more than

2118
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:51,720
that.
Well, yeah.

2119
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:56,920
And and look again, book of
Dave.

2120
02:10:57,560 --> 02:10:59,040
This comes from the book of
Dave.

2121
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:02,880
I've often thought if there's
ordinances here that we have to

2122
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:07,000
perform, I imagine there's
ordinances on the other side of

2123
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:09,200
the veil that we have to go
through as well.

2124
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:14,480
And that might be part of that
attaining to that 7th heaven, so

2125
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:17,480
to speak.
Mine house is a House of order.

2126
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:21,480
It's not Willy nilly in
thereafter.

2127
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,040
Then we went up to the 7th
heavens and I saw an old man

2128
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:28,920
light and whose garment was,
whenever you see those ellipses,

2129
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:33,840
bracketed, that's called a
lacuna, meaning there's a hole

2130
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:36,080
in the ancient document.
They don't know what word was

2131
02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:39,560
there.
Usually it's like at the end of

2132
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:42,560
the document where it broke off
or something rotted away.

2133
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:46,120
His throne which is in the 7th
heaven was brighter than the

2134
02:11:46,120 --> 02:11:49,320
sun.
By 7 times the old man spoke

2135
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:52,680
saying to me, how will you be
able to get away from me.

2136
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:55,440
Look and see these
principalities and authorities

2137
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:59,720
in the spirit spoke saying give
him the sign that you have and

2138
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:03,200
he will open for you.
And then I gave him the sign and

2139
02:12:03,200 --> 02:12:07,280
the 7th the 7th heaven opened.
Book of yayum, first book of

2140
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:10,560
yayum, the script.
Now at this time when you come

2141
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:14,080
forth from all these places, say
these names which I, Jesus

2142
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:15,800
Christ, had said to you with
their seals.

2143
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:18,760
And if it sounds repetitive, if
this goes on and on in the book,

2144
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:21,160
it's repeated over and over
again.

2145
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:23,440
Because why?
Because we learn a number of

2146
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:26,320
them, that you are sealed with
them, and say the names of their

2147
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:28,960
seals, while this cipher is in
your hand, and the Watchers, and

2148
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,440
the ranks and the Veils are
drawn back until you go to the

2149
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:33,920
place of the Father.
Piss of Sophia.

2150
02:12:34,640 --> 02:12:37,400
Now therefore, when I, Jesus,
shall have explained unto you

2151
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:40,840
the whole expansion, I will give
you and tell you the great

2152
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:45,880
Mysteries Ordinances of the
three allotments of my Kingdom,

2153
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:49,280
that is, the heads of the
mysteries, Ordinances which I

2154
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:53,160
will give you and tell you in
all their figures, and all their

2155
02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:58,360
types, and all, and in their
Ciphers, and the seals of the

2156
02:12:58,360 --> 02:13:02,600
last space, which is the first
space from without.

2157
02:13:02,600 --> 02:13:09,960
So whether where God is, is the
last space when you're outside

2158
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:11,800
in in the telester realm, it's
the first minute.

2159
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:16,000
It's just perspective.
And I will tell you the answers

2160
02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:20,160
and the apologies and the tokens
of that space.

2161
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:21,920
There it is.
Wow.

2162
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:27,360
Veils and gates, Dead Sea
Scrolls, The fringed edge and

2163
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:31,240
rivers of fire appearing as
fiery flames, beautiful upon the

2164
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:33,320
veil of the King's innermost
sanctum.

2165
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:39,040
In the innermost sanctum of his
presence and embroidered the

2166
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:40,560
innermost sanctum.
The Holy of Holies, the

2167
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:44,400
symbolism of our temples, and
the symbolism of the ancient

2168
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:47,680
temple of Jerusalem.
Tabernacle is the Holy of Holies

2169
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:54,640
is located where In the center
of the complex with the lower

2170
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:57,760
levels slash kingdoms,
descending gradually as you go

2171
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:02,080
outward from that.
That's symbolic of the cosmology

2172
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:03,960
of God, I say.
Yep.

2173
02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:09,040
Let's see and embroidered work
everything that is engraved upon

2174
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:12,920
the divine figures, glory
issuing from both sides of them

2175
02:14:13,240 --> 02:14:16,360
the veils of the wondrous
innermost sanctums.

2176
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:19,440
They blessed the sides of them,
declaring wondrous inside the

2177
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:22,400
most inner sanctum.
They extol the glorious king

2178
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:26,880
with a with a joyous cry.
So the inner sanctum of God is

2179
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:30,360
separated or surrounded by
veils.

2180
02:14:30,880 --> 02:14:35,600
Second Book of the Jesus Christ.
Again, you will pass into their

2181
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:39,760
interior to the rank of the
veils which are drawn before the

2182
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:41,640
great Ruler, the King of the
Treasury of Light.

2183
02:14:41,960 --> 02:14:43,920
See how this is the Dead Sea
Scroll?

2184
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:49,320
Second, we view completely
separate discoveries.

2185
02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:53,520
They're saying the same thing.
They will give.

2186
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:58,160
They will give to you their
great mystery and their seal,

2187
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:00,840
and the great name of the
Treasury of the Light, and they

2188
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:04,120
will be drawn back until you
crossover and pass into them,

2189
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:07,720
until you reach the great man
who is the ruler, king of this

2190
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:10,480
whole Treasury of Light, whose
name is Yayo.

2191
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:20,400
Who else believes this?
Just the untitled text and the

2192
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:24,120
enveloping power separated those
that exist from those that do

2193
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:28,840
not.
Mortality from premortal and it

2194
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:32,960
called the Existent, I'm sorry,
Mortality from eternity, let's

2195
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:35,680
put it there.
And it called the Existent

2196
02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:39,280
Eternal, and it called the Non
Existent Matter, that's us.

2197
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:43,240
And in the middle it separated
those that exist from those that

2198
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:47,800
do not exist, and it placed
veils between them and it placed

2199
02:15:47,800 --> 02:15:51,680
purifying powers so that they
could purify and cleanse them.

2200
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:56,400
And it gave ordinance to those
that exist in this way, and it

2201
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:05,000
placed the mother as head
blasphemy, vicarious work in

2202
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:07,240
ancient texts, the shepherd of
Hermes.

2203
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:11,240
It gives this vision of this
holy building being built out of

2204
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:12,960
the stone, some that come out of
the sea.

2205
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:17,160
And the Angel said, when they
fell asleep in the power and

2206
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:20,960
faith of the Son of God, the
apostles and teachers who

2207
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:24,800
proclaimed the name of the Son
of God preached also to those

2208
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,080
who had previously fallen
asleep.

2209
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:32,480
Let me read it another way.
When they died in the power of

2210
02:16:32,480 --> 02:16:34,160
faith, the Son of God, the
apostles and teachers who

2211
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:36,760
proclaimed the name of God,
preached also to those who had

2212
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:40,920
previously died, and themselves
gave to them the seal of the

2213
02:16:40,920 --> 02:16:43,760
proclamation.
So when the apostles died, they

2214
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:47,240
went and preached to the people
who died previously, gave to

2215
02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:51,600
them the seal of proclamation.
So they went down with them into

2216
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:56,559
the water and came up again.
But these went down alive and

2217
02:16:56,559 --> 02:17:00,400
came up alive, while those who
had previously died, fallen

2218
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:05,920
asleep, went down dead and came
up alive baptisms for the dead.

2219
02:17:06,760 --> 02:17:11,160
So through them they were made
alive and came to know the son

2220
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:14,040
of the name of the Son of God.
For this reason they also came

2221
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:16,840
up together with them, and were
fitted together into the

2222
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:20,600
structure of the tower, the
Kingdom of God, and were joined

2223
02:17:20,600 --> 02:17:24,959
together into construction
without being hewed, for they

2224
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:28,760
had fallen asleep or died in
righteousness and great purity

2225
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:31,000
only.
They did not have this seal

2226
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:32,840
until it was given to them by
the Apostles.

2227
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:38,000
Tripartite tractate, they
testified that he the Son had

2228
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:41,400
already begun to preach, and
when he was in the tomb as a

2229
02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:45,600
dead man, the angels thought
that he was alive, receiving

2230
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:50,160
life from the one who had died.
They first desired their

2231
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:53,440
numerous services and wonders,
which were in the Temple on

2232
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:58,520
their behalf, to be performed
continuously, as the Confession

2233
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:03,280
that is, it can be done on their
behalf through their approach to

2234
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:05,320
Him.
Wow.

2235
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:10,799
Washing and anointing in ancient
texts, we're almost done with

2236
02:18:10,799 --> 02:18:13,680
this bit.
Second Enoch and the Lord said

2237
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:16,840
to Michael.
I was telling Michael what to

2238
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:19,879
do, go and extract Enoch from
his earthly clothing?

2239
02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:25,200
Well, we read this one because
it replies here anointed me

2240
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,760
before I close testament to the
12 Patriarchs Testament of Levi.

2241
02:18:29,680 --> 02:18:33,120
There I again saw the vision as
formerly, and I saw seven men in

2242
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:36,639
white clothing, who were saying
to me, arise, put on the

2243
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:40,040
vestments of the priesthood, the
crown of righteousness, the

2244
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,959
Oracle of understanding, the
robe of truth, the breastplate

2245
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:50,360
of faith, the mitre for the
head, and the apron for

2246
02:18:50,360 --> 02:18:53,320
prophetic power.
Each carried one of these and

2247
02:18:53,320 --> 02:18:57,200
put them on me, and said, from
now on, be a priest, you and all

2248
02:18:57,200 --> 02:18:59,240
your posterity.
The first anointed me with holy

2249
02:18:59,240 --> 02:19:02,280
oil and gave me a staff.
The second washed me with pure

2250
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:05,760
water, fed me by hand, and bread
and holy wine.

2251
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:09,200
In the Old Testament they they
they get that sacrament a lot.

2252
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:15,040
As part of this purification
process, the second woah and put

2253
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:18,040
on me a holy and glorious
vestment.

2254
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:23,120
The 3rd put on me something made
of linen which is white like an

2255
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:24,840
ephod.
The fourth placed around me a

2256
02:19:24,840 --> 02:19:28,520
girdle which was light purple.
Wow.

2257
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:35,120
All right.
Pretty good gesture.

2258
02:19:35,879 --> 02:19:39,240
Unless, yeah, unless anybody has
any further questions, how?

2259
02:19:39,559 --> 02:19:42,200
How did these ancient texts and
rites compare to our temple

2260
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,799
relative to Freemasonry?
Yeah, let's see.

2261
02:19:46,120 --> 02:19:51,720
Freemasonry 2%, Ancient Texts
100%.

2262
02:19:51,880 --> 02:19:54,200
Look, here's the thing, right?
But what?

2263
02:19:54,400 --> 02:19:59,080
Let's let's wrap up this this
part about Masonry and and and

2264
02:19:59,080 --> 02:20:01,560
the temple.
Are there similarities?

2265
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:06,000
Yes, there are few, but there
are a few.

2266
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,880
I'm willing to concede that.
But when you take the entire

2267
02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:15,880
breadth of of what the endowment
is, what temple rites are.

2268
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:18,600
And then you compare them to
Freemasonry.

2269
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:26,280
There's not much there.
And the the argument by by the

2270
02:20:26,280 --> 02:20:31,680
anti Mormon crowd that there's
nothing divine about about the

2271
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:35,600
endowment.
Just look at what we laid out

2272
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:36,760
here.
Right?

2273
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:41,960
Just I challenge anybody take
what we've done.

2274
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:43,960
What what Ken has shown here.
Not me.

2275
02:20:44,400 --> 02:20:48,840
Take what Ken has shown here
with the the Egyptian endowment.

2276
02:20:49,440 --> 02:20:55,640
Look at these old texts in the
Apocrypha and then line those

2277
02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:58,840
up.
And then and then try to make

2278
02:20:58,840 --> 02:21:00,800
this argument.
It's a silly argument.

2279
02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:04,360
It is the kind of argument that
is not meant to be an argument.

2280
02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:06,960
It's meant to be a distraction,
right?

2281
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:12,440
It's meant to shock somebody and
then look, I don't know how else

2282
02:21:12,440 --> 02:21:13,040
to put it.
It's.

2283
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:14,760
And to deceive and to deceive
you.

2284
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:18,440
Yes.
If if again, because I'm I'm

2285
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:24,680
kind of dull in this way.
It's like it's meant to be a jab

2286
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:28,440
that catches a fighter off guard
and wobbles the legs.

2287
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:34,800
That's what it's designed to do.
It's not the the best defense of

2288
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:38,480
this and and this is something I
love about our conversations is

2289
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:42,040
that the gospel can stand up to
this, right?

2290
02:21:42,520 --> 02:21:43,880
Oh yeah.
Takes some work.

2291
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:47,640
It takes some looking, but it
absolutely can stand up to these

2292
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:51,480
these criticisms and scrutiny.
And most of the time, well, let

2293
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:53,160
me rephrase that all of the
time.

2294
02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:56,720
It stands up to anything they
want to throw out well.

2295
02:21:57,360 --> 02:22:01,840
And the vindication of Joseph
Smith is miraculous, right

2296
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:06,800
beyond explanation, beyond
expectation, beyond reason.

2297
02:22:07,320 --> 02:22:11,840
Absolutely, it's not reasonable.
I mean these these ancient

2298
02:22:11,960 --> 02:22:17,800
documents which nobody had prior
to the 20th century for the most

2299
02:22:17,800 --> 02:22:18,920
part.
Right.

2300
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:20,320
What do you mean about that?
Right.

2301
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:25,400
A lot of the stuff we have, we
didn't know until the past 2025

2302
02:22:25,400 --> 02:22:26,360
years.
Yep, right.

2303
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:37,680
Not only are our sacred temple
rights the same as these rights

2304
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:42,280
that are millennia old, not only
are they the same superficially

2305
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:46,560
in terms of clothing and the
physical things that we do,

2306
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:50,480
they're even more similar in
their context.

2307
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:52,440
The.
Context is identical.

2308
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:56,240
How can you you look at that and
you go, this is the same thing.

2309
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:59,680
It's like I try to tell people
like Joseph Smith pulling a

2310
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:04,240
rabbit out of the hat for
pulling a rabbit out of a 4000

2311
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:06,320
year old hat over and over and
over.

2312
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:14,920
Absolutely.
All right, so Joseph Smith's

2313
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:21,000
brief life, his brief 20 year
ministry, what effect does that

2314
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:27,800
have on this world?
Not coincidentally, the

2315
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:33,360
photograph is of the newly
dedicated Bangkok Temple, which

2316
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:36,840
is not only beautiful, it is
shocking.

2317
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:39,360
Bangkok.
Yeah.

2318
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:45,400
Ancient rites being performed in
Bangkok by the By the way the

2319
02:23:45,400 --> 02:23:51,240
guy who's the the construction
head of the of this temple site

2320
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:55,440
got baptized.
Super nice guy.

2321
02:23:58,200 --> 02:24:02,560
Dr. Covenants 135 verse 3 Joseph
Smith, The Providence here of

2322
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:07,760
the Lord has done more save
Jesus only for the salvation of

2323
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:11,080
men in this world than any other
man who lived in it.

2324
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:17,360
That makes adversaries of the
Church of Jesus Christ.

2325
02:24:18,960 --> 02:24:21,600
Nuts.
Yeah, they hate them.

2326
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:22,760
What?
That's what.

2327
02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:25,720
That's just braggadocious is all
that is, right?

2328
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:30,240
What an incredible, bold
statement to say.

2329
02:24:30,760 --> 02:24:33,480
How about Adam?
How about Noah?

2330
02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:35,920
Come on.
How about Abraham?

2331
02:24:35,960 --> 02:24:37,440
Come on.
More than those.

2332
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:40,080
Guys.
Look, here's here's the thing.

2333
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:45,000
I remember when, when I played
football, I was a tad talkative

2334
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:47,880
on the field.
Did you try to talk?

2335
02:24:48,400 --> 02:24:49,720
I was.
I was I?

2336
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:51,560
I talked a little smack in my
day.

2337
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:54,200
I never understood.
You guys, I was too busy

2338
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:59,400
concentrating.
Yeah, yeah, here's, here's what

2339
02:24:59,400 --> 02:25:04,080
I remember, my coach told me.
He said if you're going to talk,

2340
02:25:04,200 --> 02:25:07,880
make sure you back it up.
Because if you can back it up,

2341
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:13,200
you're confident, but if you
can't, then you're just cocky

2342
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:15,480
and silly.
It's just a loud mouth, right?

2343
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:16,200
It's.
Just a loud.

2344
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:16,640
Mouth.
It's annoying.

2345
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:20,800
It's a little bit funny.
Yeah, a little bit funny, this

2346
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:28,320
statement here, this is
confidence and I I think we've

2347
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:32,000
we've shown this several times
when we've talked about Joseph

2348
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:35,320
Smith, when we've talked about
the things that he restored and

2349
02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:39,200
then the fact it's backed up by
sources far older than Joseph

2350
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:42,760
Smith.
So yeah, yeah, maybe it is.

2351
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:45,120
But you can say it with
confidence.

2352
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:49,000
So it goes on, right?
It's an incredible an impossibly

2353
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:53,160
bold statement comparing his
work and mission to Jesus

2354
02:25:53,160 --> 02:25:54,720
Christ.
That's nuts.

2355
02:25:55,240 --> 02:26:02,040
In the short space of 20 years,
until this testimony was given

2356
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:07,240
on the occasion of his
martyrdom, he has brought forth.

2357
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:11,160
So they're telling.
So we're talking about almost

2358
02:26:11,160 --> 02:26:13,080
200 years ago.
This was their perspective.

2359
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:19,080
Well, 177 he had.
So this is they're listening

2360
02:26:19,080 --> 02:26:20,680
what he's done.
Well, he brought forth the Book

2361
02:26:20,680 --> 02:26:24,480
of Mormon, which he translated
by the Into Our God and has been

2362
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:26,880
the means of publishing it on 2
continents.

2363
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:31,760
Big Deal has sent the fullness
of the everlasting gospel to the

2364
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:34,240
four quarters of the earth.
That's pretty crazy.

2365
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:39,840
In 20 years in the 1800s has
brought forth the revelations

2366
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,040
and commandments which compose
this book of Doctrine Covenants.

2367
02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:46,520
Well, that's pretty significant.
And many otherwise documents and

2368
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:49,480
instructions for the benefit of
the children of men gathered

2369
02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:52,280
many thousands of the Latter Day
Saints.

2370
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:55,560
So when he died, population of
the Saints of Nabu was around

2371
02:26:55,560 --> 02:27:01,840
10,000 or more, Founded a great
city and left a famine name that

2372
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:04,400
cannot be slain.
That is true.

2373
02:27:04,400 --> 02:27:06,960
Yep, that's a pretty bold
vision.

2374
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:13,360
Yep.
However, this little painting

2375
02:27:13,360 --> 02:27:21,120
here depicts a meeting in
Kirtland in 1834 attended by

2376
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:25,200
Joseph Smith and the priesthood
as was constituted at that time,

2377
02:27:25,960 --> 02:27:28,360
Maybe a couple dozen guys.
We don't know everyone who is

2378
02:27:28,360 --> 02:27:30,800
there.
It's significant for the

2379
02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:33,160
following reason.
Wilfred Woodruff was there, and

2380
02:27:33,160 --> 02:27:35,200
from Wilfred Woodruff's journal
we read this.

2381
02:27:37,240 --> 02:27:39,720
In the spring of 1834, Wolford
Rodriff attended a priesthood

2382
02:27:39,720 --> 02:27:41,880
meeting in Kirtland.
OH, at this meeting he began to

2383
02:27:41,880 --> 02:27:47,120
understand the destiny of the
church in this dispensation.

2384
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:50,760
The last dispensation, he later
recounted, quote, The prophet

2385
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:54,240
called on all who held the
priesthood to gather into the

2386
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:56,240
little log schoolhouse they had
there.

2387
02:27:56,240 --> 02:28:00,000
So this is everybody who had it.
They didn't have the Quorum of

2388
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:04,000
the 12 yet.
It was a small house, perhaps 14

2389
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:07,640
feet square.
It's not a house, that's a room.

2390
02:28:08,360 --> 02:28:11,360
But it held the IT held the
whole or the entirety of the

2391
02:28:11,360 --> 02:28:13,760
priesthood of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day

2392
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:16,760
Saints, who were then in the
town of Kirtland.

2393
02:28:17,400 --> 02:28:20,480
That I loved it.
I included this perspective

2394
02:28:20,480 --> 02:28:23,280
because it was neat.
That was Wilford Woodruff was

2395
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:25,040
saying.
That was the first time I ever

2396
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:28,000
saw all over Calgary.
Isn't that cool?

2397
02:28:29,080 --> 02:28:31,320
We we think that they were all
in this milia together.

2398
02:28:31,320 --> 02:28:33,360
No, they were busy doing their
different things.

2399
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:36,360
First time I ever saw Oliver
Calgary heard him speak.

2400
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:39,560
The first time I ever saw
Brigham Young and Hebrew.

2401
02:28:39,560 --> 02:28:44,680
C Kimball and the two Prats I
need to interject right here.

2402
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:52,880
We What I wish I understood
better was the relationship

2403
02:28:53,360 --> 02:28:55,680
between Brigham Young and Orson
Pratt.

2404
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:01,800
This is one of my favorite
relationships to study.

2405
02:29:03,320 --> 02:29:08,240
Because the context of their
relationship adds understanding

2406
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:11,400
to a lot of things.
That infamous speech that

2407
02:29:11,400 --> 02:29:17,360
written beyond gave to the 1852
legislature regarding blacks was

2408
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:22,960
in response.
Orson Pratt had just spoken, and

2409
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:27,680
he was preaching the opposite.
Orson Pratt was preaching

2410
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:37,080
Emancipation of the slaves that
there's no difference between

2411
02:29:37,080 --> 02:29:39,600
us, yada yada.
I mean, he was quite progressive

2412
02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:42,520
in that regard, which pissed
Brigham Young off.

2413
02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:46,960
Yeah, yeah.
And so I think in that vein, he

2414
02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:51,800
stands up and he just he he's,
he's playing, he's playing the

2415
02:29:51,800 --> 02:29:54,920
opposite to Orson Pratt because
that's what they're used to

2416
02:29:54,920 --> 02:30:00,760
doing and give each other on.
Yeah, but here's the thing I

2417
02:30:00,760 --> 02:30:05,680
love about their relationship.
It is contentious on many

2418
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:08,240
fronts, right?
That one.

2419
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:09,280
Adam.
God.

2420
02:30:09,480 --> 02:30:11,840
Adam.
God, that was my next point.

2421
02:30:12,200 --> 02:30:15,400
Many, many topics they disagreed
on.

2422
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:21,400
And he drove Brigham nuts and
Brigham drove him nuts and they

2423
02:30:21,400 --> 02:30:23,800
went at it.
I mean, these were two men that

2424
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:27,200
did not mind letting you know
what they thought.

2425
02:30:28,040 --> 02:30:29,720
And.
They're both intelligent men and

2426
02:30:29,920 --> 02:30:33,560
great orators.
And and damned be the

2427
02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:35,760
consequences, they're going to
let it let it out.

2428
02:30:36,520 --> 02:30:39,760
But there's an interesting
statement that happens when

2429
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:43,240
someone says to Brigham, why
don't you just be done with

2430
02:30:43,240 --> 02:30:45,600
Orson, right?
Just communicate him.

2431
02:30:46,040 --> 02:30:51,080
And Brigham's words were You
could cut him into 1000 pieces,

2432
02:30:51,800 --> 02:30:55,240
and every piece would testify of
Joseph Smith.

2433
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:58,280
And I just read that somewhere
at, isn't that?

2434
02:30:58,280 --> 02:31:01,400
Beautiful.
And if, if there was ever a

2435
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:08,840
model that we needed right now
as Mormons, as as as citizens of

2436
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:13,040
the country, it's this idea of
we can go to war, so to speak,

2437
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,240
on the battlefield of ideas.
Sure.

2438
02:31:15,480 --> 02:31:18,200
But let's recognize each other's
humanity at the end.

2439
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:20,480
Not only humanity, but our
value.

2440
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:24,480
Our brotherhood, right?
Well, Brigham Young recognized

2441
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:26,880
or some perhaps value to the
Kingdom, yes.

2442
02:31:27,320 --> 02:31:29,480
Yeah.
Even with different opinions,

2443
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:33,640
yeah, for sure.
What we're doing, I think what

2444
02:31:33,640 --> 02:31:37,720
we're doing here, I mean, you
got a fundamentalist guy with

2445
02:31:37,720 --> 02:31:41,880
two wives talking to a devout
LDS guy, and we just.

2446
02:31:41,880 --> 02:31:43,200
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Wait a minute.

2447
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:46,640
You're a polygamist.
Kind of Man, oh man, oh man, I

2448
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:48,480
don't know about.
That.

2449
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:52,960
I know I was going to say yes.
I managed to sucker too.

2450
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:57,880
But it's amazing.
I know, right?

2451
02:31:57,880 --> 02:31:59,800
I think that myself all the
time.

2452
02:32:00,280 --> 02:32:07,000
But but but the the point is, is
that even though we don't

2453
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:11,440
believe exactly the same, we
have to recognize our common

2454
02:32:11,440 --> 02:32:14,720
progenitor spiritually here.
Yeah, which is Joseph.

2455
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:17,280
Smith Right.
We recognize our in the

2456
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:21,440
restoration of the gospel but
the very least recognized the

2457
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:24,800
value of one another's faith and
our devotion.

2458
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:28,320
These good things, one of the
greatest compliments I ever

2459
02:32:28,320 --> 02:32:32,840
received.
There's a very good Christian

2460
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:37,560
pastor in this community that
the missionaries stumbled upon

2461
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:43,480
and he was giving them a hard
time and and off times.

2462
02:32:43,480 --> 02:32:47,080
Missionaries will call me to
come in and and team team up

2463
02:32:47,080 --> 02:32:52,280
with them and and this one elder
he was from I think Seattle.

2464
02:32:52,520 --> 02:32:56,280
He was sharp and he and I
together talk about tag team.

2465
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:04,240
We weren't mean, we didn't bash,
but we answered with confidence.

2466
02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:12,200
And you know as a section 38
teaches us let every man have a

2467
02:33:12,200 --> 02:33:14,000
warning voice and mildness and a
meanness.

2468
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:18,560
And we really and and in the end
in the end we had such a

2469
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:21,160
productive time and this guy
felt like he could ask us

2470
02:33:21,160 --> 02:33:24,200
anything without offending us
and he'd get a straight up

2471
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:29,600
answer and a good one and and
and so we left and I and I think

2472
02:33:29,680 --> 02:33:34,160
we went when we met two or three
or four times and had a mutual

2473
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:39,080
respect and I certainly respect
his his Christianity is powerful

2474
02:33:39,080 --> 02:33:42,160
and is genuine.
And anyway, I bumped into him

2475
02:33:42,440 --> 02:33:45,480
downtown, you know, down by the
carousel here in Saint George

2476
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:50,760
and, you know, with my family
and it was Christmas time and

2477
02:33:50,760 --> 02:33:53,720
the lights were on and stuff and
and he was with a group of

2478
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:55,640
friends and he said and he
introduced me to his friends.

2479
02:33:55,640 --> 02:33:57,960
This, this is a, this is Ken
Peterson.

2480
02:33:57,960 --> 02:34:02,880
He's a good Christian man.
When he said that about me, I

2481
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:06,440
just, I think I blushed.
I was like, Oh my gosh, for a

2482
02:34:06,440 --> 02:34:10,360
man that I hold such high esteem
with such great faith to say

2483
02:34:10,360 --> 02:34:14,000
that about me, that's the
greatest compliment he could

2484
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,960
ever pay me.
And we've been fast friends ever

2485
02:34:16,960 --> 02:34:20,520
since.
In fact, I when they were giving

2486
02:34:20,520 --> 02:34:24,120
tours to the Saint George
Temple, somebody his friend

2487
02:34:24,120 --> 02:34:25,960
said, aren't you going?
He says no, I don't want to just

2488
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:27,960
go.
I if I go, I want to go with

2489
02:34:27,960 --> 02:34:29,360
someone who can answer all my
questions.

2490
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:33,120
And I said I'll go.
So he and I went, went through

2491
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:35,840
the temple and we had a
wonderful time.

2492
02:34:36,440 --> 02:34:39,680
Anyway, sorry about that going
on.

2493
02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:44,280
So Wilfred Woodruff is all these
people that he knew of but had

2494
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:46,640
never met before.
Bring him young Hebert Campbell,

2495
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:50,880
the two prats he called them,
and Orson Hyde and many others

2496
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:54,160
going on.
He says There were no apostles

2497
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:58,120
in the church then except Joseph
Smith and Oliver Calvary.

2498
02:34:58,480 --> 02:35:01,280
When we got together, the
prophet called upon the elders

2499
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:04,520
of Israel with him to bear
testimony of this work.

2500
02:35:05,080 --> 02:35:08,960
Those that I have named spoke
and a good many that I have not

2501
02:35:08,960 --> 02:35:12,000
named bore their testimonies
when they got through the

2502
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:15,200
Prophet, said Brethren.
I have been very much edified

2503
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:19,160
and instructed in your
testimonies here tonight, but I

2504
02:35:19,160 --> 02:35:23,880
want to say to you before the
Lord that you know no more

2505
02:35:23,880 --> 02:35:27,360
concerning the destinies of this
church and Kingdom than a babe

2506
02:35:27,360 --> 02:35:31,400
upon its mother's lap.
You don't comprehend it,

2507
02:35:33,440 --> 02:35:35,440
Wilford, Richard says.
I was rather surprised.

2508
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:41,160
He said is Joseph said.
It is only a little handful of

2509
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:46,120
priesthood you see here tonight,
but this church will fill North

2510
02:35:46,120 --> 02:35:49,280
and South America.
It will fill the world.

2511
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:55,280
I want to go back to this.
This is people in this log

2512
02:35:55,280 --> 02:36:01,080
cabin, he's telling, and most of
them have been members for less

2513
02:36:01,080 --> 02:36:06,240
than four years.
And he's telling them this

2514
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:07,840
little group here, we're going
to fill the world.

2515
02:36:08,720 --> 02:36:10,840
Yeah.
I mean, if you were sitting in

2516
02:36:10,840 --> 02:36:14,600
that meeting, what would you
have thought?

2517
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:22,120
Anyway, this map is from
Wikipedia and the Wikipedia

2518
02:36:22,120 --> 02:36:25,000
entrance if you look under
Mormon corridor.

2519
02:36:25,800 --> 02:36:28,920
This.
Is what you what do they call it

2520
02:36:28,920 --> 02:36:32,800
the jello belt right.
And you can see that it's a

2521
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:38,280
population distribution of of
Mormons by and let me apologize

2522
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:41,160
again to the fundamentalist.
We don't have statistics on the

2523
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:43,120
populations of fundamentalist
that I'm aware.

2524
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:45,840
Of if you do, please.
Pass them on to me, but this is

2525
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:48,280
showing the LDS populations in
the United States.

2526
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:51,080
What I wish I would show is how
the Jello belt of the Mormon

2527
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:54,400
Corridor extends well into
Canada and into Mexico.

2528
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:57,680
Right.
They populated the Rocky

2529
02:36:57,680 --> 02:36:59,160
Mountain region.
Yep.

2530
02:37:00,280 --> 02:37:03,600
This is a direct fulfillment of
the prophecy that Joseph Smith

2531
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:11,880
gave nine, 190 years ago, by the
way.

2532
02:37:13,360 --> 02:37:18,840
And we talked about Zion Jackson
County, Independence, MO.

2533
02:37:20,600 --> 02:37:25,720
The Book of Revelation gives us
the dimensions of the new

2534
02:37:25,720 --> 02:37:29,760
Jerusalem of Zion and I.
This is Revelation 2116 and the

2535
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:34,400
city New Jerusalem lieth 4
square and the length is as

2536
02:37:34,400 --> 02:37:37,360
large as the breadth.
And he measured the city with

2537
02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:40,920
the Reed 12,000 furlongs.
The length and the breadth and

2538
02:37:40,920 --> 02:37:45,960
the height of it are equal.
What's 12,000 furlongs?

2539
02:37:45,960 --> 02:37:49,640
12,000 furlongs is equal to 1500
miles.

2540
02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:54,800
The city of Zion is described in
Revelation as 1500 mile square.

2541
02:37:57,440 --> 02:38:00,800
So my little graphic kind of
screwed up in translation here,

2542
02:38:00,800 --> 02:38:04,440
but see those big black lines
that's marking that 1500 mile

2543
02:38:04,440 --> 02:38:11,280
square with independence being
the center place, The center

2544
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:16,560
stake, the city of Zion
essentially occupies the United,

2545
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:19,120
the continued, the contiguous,
the lower 48.

2546
02:38:21,440 --> 02:38:23,880
We talk about going back to
Zion.

2547
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:26,360
Brothers and sisters were in
Zion.

2548
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:32,400
That doesn't change the center
stake.

2549
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:35,760
It doesn't change where the city
of Zion will be and where the

2550
02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:38,120
temple of the Zion temple will
be.

2551
02:38:38,480 --> 02:38:42,240
But we're in Zion.
That's an important point, I

2552
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:46,720
think.
In any case, Doctrine Covenant

2553
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:51,040
65 Two the keys of the Kingdom
of God are committed unto man of

2554
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:56,360
the earth, and from thence shall
the gospel roll forth unto the

2555
02:38:56,440 --> 02:38:59,800
ends of the earth, as the stone
which is cut out of the mountain

2556
02:38:59,800 --> 02:39:04,360
without hands shall roll forth
until it has filled the whole

2557
02:39:04,520 --> 02:39:09,320
earth.
Doctrine Covenants Commenting on

2558
02:39:09,320 --> 02:39:12,640
the Old Testament Scripture
saying that the the restored

2559
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:14,880
Kingdom of God on the earth, the
Church of Jesus Christ of latter

2560
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:17,360
Saints will build the whole
earth.

2561
02:39:19,440 --> 02:39:21,520
First Nephi gives us more
detail.

2562
02:39:21,800 --> 02:39:25,400
First Nephi 1412 And it came to
pass that I beheld the Church of

2563
02:39:25,400 --> 02:39:29,720
the Lamb of God and its numbers
were few relatively speaking,

2564
02:39:30,120 --> 02:39:33,640
because of the wickedness and
abominations of the whore who

2565
02:39:33,640 --> 02:39:36,080
sat upon the many waters.
And we know that the whore of

2566
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:39,960
the old World the Bride.
And this goes back to the

2567
02:39:41,000 --> 02:39:43,840
extended analogy, extended
metaphor.

2568
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:48,720
The allegory of the bride being
the church and Jesus Christ

2569
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:53,160
being the groom, right?
The false church is the false

2570
02:39:53,160 --> 02:39:57,600
bride being the whore, right?
The whore that sets upon the

2571
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:04,000
many is the Church of the Devil,
which is first in E 514 defines

2572
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:06,080
as any church that fights
against the Church of the Lamb.

2573
02:40:06,520 --> 02:40:09,120
Right.
So it's not just anyone church.

2574
02:40:11,080 --> 02:40:14,800
Let's see the whore who sat upon
the many waters.

2575
02:40:14,800 --> 02:40:16,960
Nevertheless I beheld at the
Church of the Lamb who were the

2576
02:40:16,960 --> 02:40:22,240
Saints of God, were also upon
all the face of the earth, and

2577
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:25,480
their dominions upon the face of
the earth were small because of

2578
02:40:25,480 --> 02:40:27,280
the great wickedness of the
great whore whom I saw.

2579
02:40:29,000 --> 02:40:31,360
Do you know?
Let's see.

2580
02:40:31,360 --> 02:40:34,200
So the world population right
now is what, 7 billion

2581
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:35,800
something?
Something.

2582
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:39,040
Yeah, Mormons are 16,000,000
plus.

2583
02:40:39,960 --> 02:40:45,880
That means one out of every 471
people on earth is a Mormon.

2584
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:49,640
Right.
That kind of sounds like first

2585
02:40:49,640 --> 02:40:51,600
Nephi 14 to me.
Yeah, it does so.

2586
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:53,320
Where?
Where are we?

2587
02:40:53,520 --> 02:40:59,320
Right, there's a population
distribution by nation of

2588
02:40:59,440 --> 02:41:04,600
Mormons.
Does that sound like first Nephi

2589
02:41:04,600 --> 02:41:07,200
14 to you?
Does that look like first Nephi

2590
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:10,480
14 to you?
Well, and then I want you to

2591
02:41:10,480 --> 02:41:13,800
think of this in context of that
1834 meeting.

2592
02:41:16,520 --> 02:41:22,480
It shall fill the whole world.
And here we're looking at it.

2593
02:41:23,880 --> 02:41:28,040
So we're talking about the
influence of Joseph Smith on the

2594
02:41:28,040 --> 02:41:29,320
world.
Right.

2595
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:33,840
Now.
Whether you believe?

2596
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:39,000
The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints is still the

2597
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:41,240
Kingdom of God, or if it has
fallen or failed in some

2598
02:41:41,240 --> 02:41:44,880
respect, it's still a direct
result.

2599
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:49,400
It's still a direct result of
the efforts of the Prophet

2600
02:41:49,400 --> 02:41:52,400
Joseph Smith.
Yeah, look, we we all claim

2601
02:41:52,400 --> 02:41:57,960
Joseph Smith, right.
And and we we all have equal

2602
02:41:57,960 --> 02:42:00,920
claim there as far as as I can
tell.

2603
02:42:00,920 --> 02:42:05,040
We we what I would love.
Is to include statistics of the

2604
02:42:05,080 --> 02:42:09,040
other iterations of.
You know that would be cool to

2605
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:11,280
see it all put together, but.
Yep, Yep.

2606
02:42:11,400 --> 02:42:12,440
This is the.
This is this.

2607
02:42:12,440 --> 02:42:15,240
Is the best I got.
Yeah, no, I, I and it's.

2608
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:16,880
Significant.
Oh my gosh.

2609
02:42:17,160 --> 02:42:19,880
It's hugely significant.
When you think.

2610
02:42:19,880 --> 02:42:24,800
Back to Section 135 that we just
read, you know, You know they

2611
02:42:24,800 --> 02:42:29,240
were bragging about 1 Great City
and thousands of Latter Day

2612
02:42:29,240 --> 02:42:31,240
Saints.
Do you think they would look at

2613
02:42:31,240 --> 02:42:33,320
this and it would blow their
minds just as.

2614
02:42:33,720 --> 02:42:35,720
Absolutely.
Joseph Smith, Probably not

2615
02:42:35,720 --> 02:42:37,560
everybody else.
They would go, Oh my gosh, I had

2616
02:42:37,560 --> 02:42:39,560
no idea.
Absolutely.

2617
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:45,520
Look, I I'm guessing that
because of fundamentalists who

2618
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:50,520
were on the down low because of
various other branches that that

2619
02:42:50,520 --> 02:42:54,320
all go back to Joseph Smith, the
numbers are probably higher than

2620
02:42:54,320 --> 02:42:56,200
that.
How much more higher I can't

2621
02:42:56,200 --> 02:43:00,080
tell you.
But the impact that the man had

2622
02:43:01,320 --> 02:43:10,840
on not just America but the
world at large, I I I don't see

2623
02:43:12,760 --> 02:43:18,720
in terms of religion another
anything like it.

2624
02:43:18,840 --> 02:43:21,280
I mean even even Islam.
Certainly not in the world

2625
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:24,120
today.
Yeah, I mean, even Islam, right,

2626
02:43:24,120 --> 02:43:28,960
Didn't have the the reach that
Mormonism has had to this.

2627
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:33,720
That's true, right?
Even even Islam, which I have

2628
02:43:33,720 --> 02:43:38,120
great respect for, they they
they did manage to.

2629
02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:42,760
The Ottoman Empire, many great
things amongst their atrocities

2630
02:43:42,760 --> 02:43:45,000
like all ancient kingdoms.
Right, right.

2631
02:43:45,000 --> 02:43:48,440
I was just going to say a lot of
that was by the sword, which you

2632
02:43:48,920 --> 02:43:54,840
never had to implore.
And and in such a short period

2633
02:43:54,840 --> 02:43:59,600
of time is nothing short of
miraculous.

2634
02:44:00,360 --> 02:44:04,880
Yeah, yeah.
This map is showing where

2635
02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:10,280
showing the the flood, the Book
of Mormon flood of the Earth.

2636
02:44:10,920 --> 02:44:15,880
As of 2019, it's now published
in 112 different languages,

2637
02:44:16,280 --> 02:44:20,040
right?
And every nation on earth has

2638
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:22,840
received it except for
Greenland, apparently.

2639
02:44:22,840 --> 02:44:27,400
I don't know this, but you see
some African nations and some in

2640
02:44:27,400 --> 02:44:31,680
the Middle East, and somebody
probably has it secretly.

2641
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:32,760
There, I'll bet you.
Right.

2642
02:44:32,760 --> 02:44:34,960
I'll bet you that you and.
Yeah.

2643
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:38,520
Do you think Joseph Smith would
approve of this?

2644
02:44:39,440 --> 02:44:43,840
Absolutely, Absolutely.
The little book that he

2645
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:49,560
published in Elmira now is doing
this.

2646
02:44:49,960 --> 02:44:51,880
And can I give props to Martin
Harris?

2647
02:44:52,600 --> 02:44:56,360
Dude, the man.
The man funded that whole thing

2648
02:44:56,360 --> 02:45:01,120
and paid a heavy price.
Well, I'll tell you what, that

2649
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:07,440
man is going to have a reward
that such a good guy so much

2650
02:45:07,440 --> 02:45:09,720
like me, I imagined, except he
had money and I don't.

2651
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:12,640
Right.
But gosh, look at this.

2652
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:17,040
Look at this.
Yep, I think it's second only to

2653
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:19,440
the Bible in terms of published
copies.

2654
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:23,320
Yep, more influence of the
prophet.

2655
02:45:23,320 --> 02:45:26,520
This is a you can get to an
interactive CDC cancer mortality

2656
02:45:26,520 --> 02:45:29,520
map.
I became aware of this fact when

2657
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:38,240
I was on my mission in Japan in
198283 and there the their

2658
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:41,760
version of NBC is called NHK
Television and they had a

2659
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:44,080
special about cancer.
Cause cancer's a problem in

2660
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:47,800
Japan and they said in the
United States there is a

2661
02:45:47,800 --> 02:45:55,120
population that has 110th of the
incidence of cancer as the rest

2662
02:45:56,440 --> 02:45:58,840
of the country, the rest of the
United States.

2663
02:46:00,040 --> 02:46:02,280
And here it is on this map by
county.

2664
02:46:04,320 --> 02:46:10,120
You can see that the incidence
of cancer in Utah in particular

2665
02:46:10,120 --> 02:46:13,160
is a fraction of the rest of the
country.

2666
02:46:14,160 --> 02:46:15,880
Well now look at the Mormon
corridor.

2667
02:46:15,880 --> 02:46:19,080
Look at the Jello belt.
So apparently eating lots of

2668
02:46:19,080 --> 02:46:25,160
jello prevents cancer.
Tell me the word of.

2669
02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:29,200
Jello and Diet Coke is the
answer to all your ailments.

2670
02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:32,240
You know, this is just cancer.
But think of the I mean, this

2671
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:36,800
shows us the breadth of the
effect of the Word of Wisdom on

2672
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:39,240
those who followed it and
followed the prophet, Joseph

2673
02:46:39,240 --> 02:46:40,760
Smith.
And this is just in terms of

2674
02:46:40,760 --> 02:46:48,000
cancer.
Imagine fertility and just a a a

2675
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:50,640
a vigorous life, you know,
feeling good and being able to

2676
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:53,920
do things and serve when you,
when you're retired and that

2677
02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:57,880
sort of stuff.
And what's really crazy, you'll

2678
02:46:57,880 --> 02:47:00,800
notice that the the cancer
boundaries that we're seeing on

2679
02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:06,240
this map do not, they're not
geographical, they're political

2680
02:47:06,240 --> 02:47:10,320
boundaries.
Las Vegas County versus

2681
02:47:10,320 --> 02:47:12,360
Washington County.
And.

2682
02:47:13,080 --> 02:47:15,920
These other red zones, which
have a high incidence of cancer,

2683
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:20,800
correlate with reservations.
The Native American populations

2684
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:23,600
are cursed with tobacco and
alcohol use.

2685
02:47:26,040 --> 02:47:29,400
The Japanese saw it 40 years
ago.

2686
02:47:30,120 --> 02:47:32,840
It's because of the Word of
Wisdom, and nobody can say that

2687
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:36,760
today 'cause that's politically
incorrect, not a coincidence.

2688
02:47:37,360 --> 02:47:39,320
You can see it here.
Yeah.

2689
02:47:40,480 --> 02:47:43,720
That's why I like this program.
As you can see it here.

2690
02:47:44,480 --> 02:47:47,520
So thank you.
Joseph Smith, right.

2691
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:55,960
This is just to give some These
are some statistics about the

2692
02:47:55,960 --> 02:47:59,960
church that was spawned by
Joseph Smith.

2693
02:48:00,400 --> 02:48:05,200
This is last year's annual
report. 1 billion in

2694
02:48:05,200 --> 02:48:09,080
expenditures.
This is charity work. 6.3

2695
02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:13,400
million hours volunteered.
And you know what?

2696
02:48:13,400 --> 02:48:18,240
I'm I know that doesn't count.
Right are the countless hours of

2697
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:21,640
bishops, elders, court
presidents, Relief Society

2698
02:48:21,640 --> 02:48:24,720
presidencies and ministers That
I mean.

2699
02:48:24,920 --> 02:48:26,560
He meant volunteer.
Work.

2700
02:48:27,400 --> 02:48:30,360
We don't even have we don't even
pay custodians, for heaven's

2701
02:48:30,360 --> 02:48:34,120
sakes.
You know, More than a billion

2702
02:48:34,120 --> 02:48:35,920
was expended to help care for
those in need.

2703
02:48:37,240 --> 02:48:40,040
Fast offering assistance,
helping our own humanitarian

2704
02:48:40,040 --> 02:48:44,200
aid, Bishop, storehouses, desert
industries, Family Services,

2705
02:48:44,200 --> 02:48:46,640
employment centers, farms, food
processing facilities.

2706
02:48:47,080 --> 02:48:49,440
And these are the largest
monetary donations Church gave

2707
02:48:49,440 --> 02:48:53,240
in 2020, 232,000,000 the World
Food Program, 5 million to

2708
02:48:53,240 --> 02:48:56,320
UNICEF.
Other significant donations 5.1

2709
02:48:56,320 --> 02:48:59,840
million to American Red Cross,
1,000,000 units of donated

2710
02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:03,200
blood.
We're one of the top donators,

2711
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:06,600
the American Red Cross and 5
million to Rotary International.

2712
02:49:07,480 --> 02:49:09,200
People say why doesn't the
church give more?

2713
02:49:10,360 --> 02:49:12,440
My you know what I've had these
conversations said?

2714
02:49:12,440 --> 02:49:15,440
You don't understand that the
entire church is a charity.

2715
02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:21,000
This is not, this is not profit
sharing organization.

2716
02:49:21,880 --> 02:49:25,080
Everything the church does,
everything Mormons do is for the

2717
02:49:25,080 --> 02:49:27,880
benefit of our fellow man.
Financial.

2718
02:49:27,880 --> 02:49:29,480
Significant financial
contributions.

2719
02:49:30,920 --> 02:49:33,600
Relief to Ukraine.
Tsunami survivors in Tonga.

2720
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:36,600
So storm victims in Kentucky,
Florida, South Africa.

2721
02:49:37,000 --> 02:49:39,640
Victims of civil conflict in the
Democratic Republic of Congo,

2722
02:49:39,640 --> 02:49:43,760
which most people don't even
know about Bringing electricity

2723
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:49,360
to Navajo community in Utah,
United Arab Emirates, Tennessee

2724
02:49:50,280 --> 02:49:55,720
N double ACP work with them
healthy food in San Francisco

2725
02:49:56,400 --> 02:49:59,360
like the world giving machines
all over the place 28 locations

2726
02:49:59,360 --> 02:50:04,240
around the world.
The the 6.3 million volunteer

2727
02:50:04,240 --> 02:50:07,280
hours included service at farms,
orchard canneries, desert

2728
02:50:07,280 --> 02:50:10,040
industries, missions to care for
those in need and clean up after

2729
02:50:10,040 --> 02:50:12,800
natural disasters.
That doesn't even include the

2730
02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:19,560
missionary hours.
In addition to 3619 humanitarian

2731
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:23,680
projects, 16,000 new service
projects were facilitated by

2732
02:50:23,680 --> 02:50:33,560
Just Serve, Which brings me to
Section 121, which talks about

2733
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:36,680
real priesthood power.
And that's just the church That

2734
02:50:36,680 --> 02:50:39,720
doesn't include my people,
right?

2735
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:41,600
That's.
I I wish it could.

2736
02:50:41,960 --> 02:50:44,320
I know because I know.
Yeah.

2737
02:50:45,960 --> 02:50:50,920
Yeah, section 121, verse 41.
No power or influence can or

2738
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:53,640
ought to be maintained by virtue
of the priesthood.

2739
02:50:54,240 --> 02:50:58,480
What?
Only not by the priesthood.

2740
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:02,040
Power and influence is
maintained by these following

2741
02:51:02,040 --> 02:51:05,720
things.
Persuasion, long-suffering,

2742
02:51:05,720 --> 02:51:08,480
gentleness, meekness, love,
unfeigned kindness, pure

2743
02:51:08,480 --> 02:51:11,640
knowledge.
So what we're seeing in these

2744
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:16,600
last two pages is the collected
efforts of the priesthood of God

2745
02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:20,280
being exercised, the power that
we have in our own hands

2746
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:24,720
Absolutely to do good, to be
good and to help everyone and to

2747
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:27,400
love one another.
Thank you, Joseph.

2748
02:51:27,720 --> 02:51:30,000
Thank you, Joseph Smith.
Yeah.

2749
02:51:30,360 --> 02:51:34,760
Right.
So I was trying to think of all

2750
02:51:34,760 --> 02:51:36,000
these things and it's hard to
think about.

2751
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:37,760
Go ahead.
No, no, you're good.

2752
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:40,120
I see you got another graph to
go over here.

2753
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:43,720
We're about at the end.
We could go on and on about

2754
02:51:43,720 --> 02:51:44,840
what?
Joseph Smith has done.

2755
02:51:45,280 --> 02:51:52,320
You know, Joseph Smith is a
divisive character.

2756
02:51:52,520 --> 02:51:56,480
I won't pretend to say that he's
not too often with the religious

2757
02:51:56,480 --> 02:52:01,160
figures, we tend to paint them
in pastel colors, and I don't

2758
02:52:01,160 --> 02:52:04,640
think that does them justice.
And I include Jesus in that as

2759
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:08,880
well.
Jesus was radical for his time.

2760
02:52:10,400 --> 02:52:15,960
Still is in a lot of ways, yeah.
He had both the civil government

2761
02:52:15,960 --> 02:52:23,480
and the religious authority mad
at him, and out of that came

2762
02:52:24,280 --> 02:52:27,440
really everything that made
Western society.

2763
02:52:27,440 --> 02:52:30,680
What is Western society?
Oh my gosh.

2764
02:52:30,800 --> 02:52:34,480
And the influence of
Christianity on the world is

2765
02:52:34,480 --> 02:52:36,640
incalculable.
Absolutely.

2766
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:44,520
Likewise, not to that degree,
save Jesus.

2767
02:52:44,520 --> 02:52:57,800
Only Joseph Smith in 200 short
years has managed to create

2768
02:52:57,800 --> 02:53:03,160
faith communities that all claim
their authority back to him.

2769
02:53:03,880 --> 02:53:06,000
And I want to say this.
I want to be clear.

2770
02:53:06,680 --> 02:53:08,560
I think there's plenty to go
around.

2771
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:15,440
I think there's plenty to go
around, and the impact that he's

2772
02:53:15,440 --> 02:53:20,080
had for the good of mankind is
incalculable.

2773
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:24,960
Let me make it just real
personal to me here for a

2774
02:53:24,960 --> 02:53:35,400
second.
As a kid, 13 years old, weeping

2775
02:53:36,360 --> 02:53:45,880
for the loss of his father on
his front porch, when other

2776
02:53:45,880 --> 02:53:50,840
ministers had no answers for
what happened to a good man who

2777
02:53:50,840 --> 02:53:55,000
passes, who didn't say the right
words on his deathbed.

2778
02:53:55,720 --> 02:54:00,440
Yeah.
It was Joseph Smith that held

2779
02:54:00,440 --> 02:54:05,560
the answers.
And so we've talked about all

2780
02:54:05,560 --> 02:54:07,680
these grand numbers and that's
great.

2781
02:54:07,680 --> 02:54:09,600
I think those are worth pointing
out.

2782
02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:19,040
But it's those things that
Joseph's revelations and

2783
02:54:19,040 --> 02:54:22,360
Joseph's teachings that make the
most difference.

2784
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:28,680
The hope that it provides to
people that they restored gospel

2785
02:54:28,680 --> 02:54:32,800
gifts that Joseph can bring is
of incalculable worth.

2786
02:54:32,800 --> 02:54:35,800
We try to quantify it.
We try to put numbers to it

2787
02:54:36,120 --> 02:54:38,800
because that's the way finite
mind works.

2788
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:47,040
But what he really did was bring
heaven down to earth, and earth

2789
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:51,480
up to heaven, and allow us to
see a greater plan in which all

2790
02:54:51,480 --> 02:54:56,120
of mankind can be saved and
exalted, if that be their

2791
02:54:56,120 --> 02:54:58,040
desire.
Oh my gosh.

2792
02:54:58,280 --> 02:55:01,560
That's what Joseph did.
Now I want to take what you just

2793
02:55:01,560 --> 02:55:04,560
said, which is the absolute
truth.

2794
02:55:05,400 --> 02:55:11,280
Apply it to this man.
Multiply the influence he's had

2795
02:55:11,280 --> 02:55:15,600
on your life as an individual,
and you can see it magnified

2796
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:19,000
exponentially around the world
and the the collective influence

2797
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:22,200
of that light that he brought
into the world and into your

2798
02:55:22,200 --> 02:55:26,840
life and into my life.
We can barely conceive of the

2799
02:55:26,840 --> 02:55:30,240
power of that.
I was teaching the Gospel

2800
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:33,680
Doctrine last week when we were
in Hebrews and the book of James

2801
02:55:33,680 --> 02:55:35,240
the New Temper, finishing it up
this year.

2802
02:55:36,040 --> 02:55:42,440
And James is Jesus brother.
And remember the 1st presidency

2803
02:55:44,240 --> 02:55:48,200
1 commentator stated that of all
the wonderful things in James,

2804
02:55:49,080 --> 02:55:54,360
the single most influential
scripture of the New Testament

2805
02:55:55,000 --> 02:56:01,440
arguably is James 15 which is
the verse.

2806
02:56:01,560 --> 02:56:04,080
If any of you lack wisdom, let
him ask of God give to all men,

2807
02:56:04,080 --> 02:56:08,000
liberally and upgradeth or not,
shall be given unto him, which

2808
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:13,480
is the first that spawned the
restoration of the gospel.

2809
02:56:13,480 --> 02:56:17,160
On this last dispensation, Do
you think James had any idea

2810
02:56:17,720 --> 02:56:19,840
what that one verse is?
I know it'd be interesting to

2811
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:22,320
know.
And so the part of the lesson

2812
02:56:22,320 --> 02:56:25,520
asked what effect has did the
first?

2813
02:56:25,800 --> 02:56:29,240
What effect has the first vision
had on your life?

2814
02:56:32,320 --> 02:56:36,520
And I'm here because of that.
I mean, I'm alive because of

2815
02:56:36,520 --> 02:56:39,320
that.
Yep, absolutely.

2816
02:56:39,320 --> 02:56:43,520
In any case, so can I have
couple?

2817
02:56:43,920 --> 02:56:45,200
Yeah.
Oh, go ahead.

2818
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:47,680
What were you gonna say?
Oh, just a couple other things

2819
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:50,920
in regard to, I was trying to
wrap my mind trying what a broad

2820
02:56:50,920 --> 02:56:52,880
question, what is his influence
in the world?

2821
02:56:52,880 --> 02:56:55,840
How can you?
Quantify that, but just a couple

2822
02:56:55,840 --> 02:56:57,960
other points about that.
What were you gonna say?

2823
02:56:58,480 --> 02:56:59,960
No, that was it.
Go go ahead.

2824
02:57:01,000 --> 02:57:04,360
Joseph Smith One of the grand
fundamental principles of

2825
02:57:04,360 --> 02:57:08,200
Mormonism is to receive truth.
Let it come from whence it may.

2826
02:57:09,080 --> 02:57:12,360
Joseph Smith A man is saved no
faster than he gets knowledge,

2827
02:57:12,360 --> 02:57:14,120
For if he does not get
knowledge, he will be brought

2828
02:57:14,120 --> 02:57:17,440
into captivity by some evil
power in the other world, as

2829
02:57:17,440 --> 02:57:19,760
evil spirits will have more
knowledge and consequently more

2830
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:22,120
power than many men who are on
the earth.

2831
02:57:22,120 --> 02:57:25,480
Hence it needs revelation to
assist us and give us knowledge

2832
02:57:25,480 --> 02:57:27,080
of the things of God.
Joseph Smith again.

2833
02:57:27,080 --> 02:57:30,840
Thy mind, O man, if thou wilt
lead a soul unto salvation, must

2834
02:57:30,840 --> 02:57:34,600
stretch as high as the almost
heavens and search into and

2835
02:57:34,600 --> 02:57:37,320
contemplate the darkest abyss
and the broad expanse of

2836
02:57:37,320 --> 02:57:39,280
eternity.
Thou must commune with God.

2837
02:57:40,120 --> 02:57:44,120
Joseph Smith, I advise all to go
on to perfection and search

2838
02:57:44,120 --> 02:57:46,280
deeper and deeper into the
mysteries of godliness.

2839
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:50,360
It has always been my province
to dig up hidden mysteries, new

2840
02:57:50,360 --> 02:57:53,840
things for my hearers.
section88.com.

2841
02:57:53,840 --> 02:57:55,160
So I give unto you a
commandment.

2842
02:57:55,840 --> 02:57:58,360
You shall teach one another the
doctrine of the Kingdom, teach

2843
02:57:58,360 --> 02:58:00,680
you diligently.
And my grace shall attend to

2844
02:58:00,680 --> 02:58:03,480
you, that you may be instructed
more perfectly in theory and

2845
02:58:03,480 --> 02:58:06,240
principle, and doctrine in the
law of the gospel, in all things

2846
02:58:06,240 --> 02:58:08,680
that pertain unto the Kingdom of
God, that are expedient for you

2847
02:58:08,680 --> 02:58:12,560
to understand, Of things both in
heaven and in earth, and under

2848
02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:16,680
the earth, Things which have
been things which are things

2849
02:58:16,680 --> 02:58:20,760
which must shortly come to pass,
things which are at home, things

2850
02:58:20,760 --> 02:58:23,720
which are abroad, the wars and
the perplexities of the nations,

2851
02:58:23,720 --> 02:58:26,720
the judgments which are on the
land, and the knowledge also of

2852
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:29,280
countries and of kingdoms, that
you may be prepared in all

2853
02:58:29,280 --> 02:58:30,520
things.
And I shall send you again to

2854
02:58:30,520 --> 02:58:33,800
magnify the calling whereunto I
have called you, and the mission

2855
02:58:33,800 --> 02:58:36,680
with which I have commissioned
you, all of which is to say,

2856
02:58:38,520 --> 02:58:45,360
Joseph treasured knowledge.
Joseph exemplified learning.

2857
02:58:46,480 --> 02:58:48,920
He was ignorant.
He was ignorant when he was

2858
02:58:48,920 --> 02:58:52,560
called as a prophet by the time
he had died.

2859
02:58:52,600 --> 02:59:00,400
He was a magnificent learner,
profound thinker, and he he

2860
02:59:00,400 --> 02:59:08,520
embedded that in the fabric of
Mormonism, which is exemplified

2861
02:59:08,600 --> 02:59:13,440
by the following Seminaries and
Institutes of Religion.

2862
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:15,480
This isn't 2014, It's the latest
I can find.

2863
02:59:16,200 --> 02:59:22,760
Over 3/4 of a million students
in 137 countries, elementary and

2864
02:59:22,760 --> 02:59:26,280
secondary schools throughout
Mexico, New Zealand, Tonga,

2865
02:59:26,280 --> 02:59:30,640
Samoa, and other Pacific Islands
academies.

2866
02:59:31,880 --> 02:59:35,160
They remain as historical
landmarks the United States in

2867
02:59:35,160 --> 02:59:40,760
Academy of Preston ID and the
Bighorn Academy in Cowley, WY.

2868
02:59:40,760 --> 02:59:42,920
Your your stomping ground up
there.

2869
02:59:42,920 --> 02:59:44,840
You see that building there?
Yeah.

2870
02:59:45,240 --> 02:59:46,520
That's where I went to high
school.

2871
02:59:46,800 --> 02:59:49,680
Really.
That's where my dad went to high

2872
02:59:49,680 --> 02:59:52,920
school and that's where my
grandma went to high school.

2873
02:59:53,960 --> 02:59:56,440
Wow.
Because of Joseph Smith.

2874
02:59:57,040 --> 02:59:59,480
Yep.
And you see that building behind

2875
02:59:59,480 --> 03:00:02,240
it?
That's where I went to church.

2876
03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:08,240
This sandstone was quarried out
of the mountains north of town.

2877
03:00:09,720 --> 03:00:13,360
That building exists today as
the district office.

2878
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:17,560
Wow.
See how personal.

2879
03:00:17,560 --> 03:00:23,760
Like you, I, I, you and I are
products.

2880
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:26,920
Yep.
Joseph Smith We're the fruits of

2881
03:00:26,920 --> 03:00:28,800
Joseph Smith.
Oh heaven help us.

2882
03:00:29,320 --> 03:00:31,680
Yep.
And this beautiful community

2883
03:00:31,840 --> 03:00:36,000
which you can multiply times
almost 1000 such communities

2884
03:00:36,520 --> 03:00:38,080
throughout the intermountain
West of the world.

2885
03:00:40,720 --> 03:00:42,320
Sure, this is something I didn't
know.

2886
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:45,560
And a few church academies
eventually evolved into colleges

2887
03:00:45,560 --> 03:00:48,040
and universities.
These include Brigham Young

2888
03:00:48,040 --> 03:00:52,680
Academy, now BYU, Salt Lake
Steak Academy, now Enzyme

2889
03:00:52,680 --> 03:00:57,640
College, Mccune School of Music,
now closed, Bannock Steak

2890
03:00:57,640 --> 03:01:02,240
Academy, now Brigham Young
University, Idaho, St.

2891
03:01:02,240 --> 03:01:06,680
Pete Steak Academy, now Snow
College, Weber State Academy,

2892
03:01:06,680 --> 03:01:08,680
now Weber State University.
St.

2893
03:01:08,680 --> 03:01:12,120
Joseph's Steak Academy, now
Eastern Arizona College, Saint

2894
03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:15,240
George State Academy, now Utah
Tech, Formerly Dixie State.

2895
03:01:17,200 --> 03:01:18,560
I didn't know.
Yeah.

2896
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:21,560
I'm not surprised.
Formal colleges and

2897
03:01:21,560 --> 03:01:25,360
universities, University of
Nauvoo, University of Deseret,

2898
03:01:25,840 --> 03:01:30,120
Now the University of Utah.
Brigham Young College in Logan

2899
03:01:30,400 --> 03:01:33,120
Church University called Young
University absorbed in the

2900
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:36,200
University of Utah Church,
College of Hawaii, now BYU

2901
03:01:36,200 --> 03:01:40,480
Hawaii.
Can you just the collective

2902
03:01:40,480 --> 03:01:44,880
influence of those universities
alone have had on the world

2903
03:01:47,480 --> 03:01:52,480
incalculable?
My final point, Brigham Young

2904
03:01:52,480 --> 03:01:54,880
said.
We enjoy the privilege of

2905
03:01:54,880 --> 03:01:58,800
entering into a temple built to
the name of God and receiving

2906
03:01:58,800 --> 03:02:01,960
the ordinances of His house with
all the keys and blessings

2907
03:02:02,480 --> 03:02:04,880
preparatory to entering into the
lives.

2908
03:02:05,400 --> 03:02:08,120
We also enjoy the privilege of
administering for our fathers

2909
03:02:08,120 --> 03:02:11,320
and mothers, our grandfathers,
grandmothers, for those who have

2910
03:02:11,320 --> 03:02:14,280
slept without the gospel in the
spirit world.

2911
03:02:14,280 --> 03:02:17,840
Those who have got the victory
go on to prepare the way for

2912
03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:21,200
those who live in the flesh,
fulfilling the work of Saviors

2913
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:23,600
on Mount Zion to accomplish this
work.

2914
03:02:23,600 --> 03:02:27,920
Now here's his vision And he had
a vision of Salt Lake, the

2915
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:30,680
future Salt Lake.
He had a vision, a very specific

2916
03:02:30,680 --> 03:02:33,680
and accurate vision, The future
of Saint George, the location of

2917
03:02:33,680 --> 03:02:35,480
the temple.
Why did they build it in the in

2918
03:02:35,480 --> 03:02:36,680
the spring, out in this
farmland?

2919
03:02:36,680 --> 03:02:39,760
Because it was going to be the
center point at one point, he

2920
03:02:39,760 --> 03:02:41,040
says.
To accomplish this work, there

2921
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:43,960
will have to be not only one
temple, but thousands of them.

2922
03:02:44,480 --> 03:02:47,920
What he was saying, and
thousands and 10s of thousands

2923
03:02:47,920 --> 03:02:51,480
of men and women will go into
those temples and officiate for

2924
03:02:51,480 --> 03:02:54,760
people who have lived as far
back as the Lord shall reveal.

2925
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:59,160
He goes on temples indispensable
for higher ordinances in

2926
03:02:59,160 --> 03:03:01,360
consequence of our having been
driven from our homes.

2927
03:03:01,760 --> 03:03:03,920
And because our destitute,
because of our destitute

2928
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:07,240
circumstances, the Lord has
permitted us to do what we have

2929
03:03:07,240 --> 03:03:10,160
done, namely, to use this
endowment house for temple

2930
03:03:10,160 --> 03:03:12,680
purposes.
But since through the mercies

2931
03:03:12,680 --> 03:03:15,480
and blessings of God we are able
to build temples, it is the will

2932
03:03:15,480 --> 03:03:17,400
and commandment of God that we
will do so.

2933
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:19,320
So He was envisioning thousands
of temples.

2934
03:03:20,520 --> 03:03:24,040
Wilford Woodruff I have felt to
rejoice exceedingly in this work

2935
03:03:24,040 --> 03:03:27,080
of redeeming the dead.
I do not wonder that President

2936
03:03:27,080 --> 03:03:29,400
Young saying he felt moved upon
to call the Latter Day Saints to

2937
03:03:29,400 --> 03:03:33,440
hurry up and hurry up the the
building of these temples.

2938
03:03:33,440 --> 03:03:34,920
He felt the importance of the
work.

2939
03:03:35,360 --> 03:03:39,360
But now he has gone, it rests
with us to continue it, and God

2940
03:03:39,360 --> 03:03:41,440
will bless our laborers, and we
will have joy therein.

2941
03:03:41,440 --> 03:03:44,400
This is a preparation necessary
for the 2nd advent of the

2942
03:03:44,400 --> 03:03:47,120
Savior.
And when we shall have built the

2943
03:03:47,120 --> 03:03:50,400
temples now contemplated, we
will then begin to see the

2944
03:03:50,400 --> 03:03:54,560
necessity of building others,
For in proportion to the

2945
03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:57,080
diligence of our laborers in
this direction, we will

2946
03:03:57,080 --> 03:04:00,400
comprehend the extent of the
work to be done.

2947
03:04:00,760 --> 03:04:02,800
And the present is only a
beginning.

2948
03:04:03,440 --> 03:04:06,680
When the Savior comes, 1000
years will be devoted to this

2949
03:04:06,960 --> 03:04:10,880
work of redemption, and temples
will appear all over this land

2950
03:04:10,880 --> 03:04:13,800
of Joseph, North and South
America, and also in Europe and

2951
03:04:13,800 --> 03:04:17,120
elsewhere.
And all the descendants you're

2952
03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:21,800
going to love this.
All the descendants of Shem, Ham

2953
03:04:22,680 --> 03:04:25,640
and Japheth who received not the
gospel and flesh, must be

2954
03:04:25,640 --> 03:04:28,920
officiated for in the temples of
God before the Savior can

2955
03:04:28,920 --> 03:04:31,120
present the Kingdom.
The Father saying it is finished

2956
03:04:32,320 --> 03:04:36,040
there the prophetic vision of
these guys, which started with

2957
03:04:36,040 --> 03:04:41,080
Joseph Smith.
There's Joseph F Smith.

2958
03:04:41,920 --> 03:04:44,160
Three years.
He's rocking some chops.

2959
03:04:46,640 --> 03:04:52,840
He said in 19 O six I heard
Legrand Richards in 1959 said in

2960
03:04:52,840 --> 03:04:56,480
19 O six he heard Joseph F Smith
make the statement in Rotterdam,

2961
03:04:56,480 --> 03:04:57,880
Holland.
The day will come when temples

2962
03:04:57,880 --> 03:05:00,520
of the Lord will dot this whole
land of Europe.

2963
03:05:04,240 --> 03:05:06,960
Today, the LDS Church and I wish
I knew how many of the

2964
03:05:06,960 --> 03:05:10,080
fundamentals, how many temples
of fundamentals have in your

2965
03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:14,160
estimation.
Probably 7 with a couple on the

2966
03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:16,080
way that I know of.
Cool.

2967
03:05:17,120 --> 03:05:25,440
Today the Church has 335 temples
in various phases, 186

2968
03:05:25,440 --> 03:05:29,320
dedicated, 6 currently under
renovation, 52 currently under

2969
03:05:29,320 --> 03:05:34,120
construction and 97 others
announced, 20 of which were

2970
03:05:34,120 --> 03:05:37,560
announced just last conference.
And I don't expect that to slow.

2971
03:05:38,800 --> 03:05:46,000
When I was born there were 12
temples in one in one short

2972
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:49,720
lifetime mine, which is not very
long yet.

2973
03:05:50,960 --> 03:05:57,160
This is what I've witnessed, a
200% increase in the number of

2974
03:05:57,160 --> 03:06:03,120
temples operating temples.
Here's a map which kind of shows

2975
03:06:03,120 --> 03:06:06,760
the fulfillment of those
prophecies dotting the land.

2976
03:06:07,920 --> 03:06:14,520
Right.
In 1988, the Church of Christ,

2977
03:06:14,520 --> 03:06:17,800
Ladder to Saints announced it
had completed its 100 millionth

2978
03:06:18,400 --> 03:06:20,560
Vicarious Endowment. 100
million.

2979
03:06:22,160 --> 03:06:24,320
Since that time, the church has
made no further announcements.

2980
03:06:24,440 --> 03:06:27,280
They don't want to ruffle the
feathers, right?

2981
03:06:27,480 --> 03:06:30,360
Right.
Somebody estimated it completes

2982
03:06:30,360 --> 03:06:32,440
about 13 million endowments
every year.

2983
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:37,360
But you put the estimated or
endowments as of 2/20/23 at

2984
03:06:37,360 --> 03:06:39,840
about 555,000,000.
Half a billion.

2985
03:06:40,920 --> 03:06:45,200
It's probably conservative.
Wow, that's a lot.

2986
03:06:46,280 --> 03:06:51,720
But 56 million people die every
year, so every year we're

2987
03:06:51,720 --> 03:06:54,760
getting behind by 43 million
people.

2988
03:06:55,400 --> 03:06:57,960
Right.
A little bit more there to go.

2989
03:06:58,480 --> 03:07:00,960
We're we're going to need that
Millennium after all.

2990
03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:04,080
That was just an interesting
side note in terms of, by the

2991
03:07:04,080 --> 03:07:06,960
way, this is the baptismal font,
the Saint George, the new one,

2992
03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:11,400
well, newly renovated.
The font itself is the font that

2993
03:07:11,400 --> 03:07:13,320
Brigham Young bought with his
own money.

2994
03:07:13,640 --> 03:07:15,800
Right.
So he could see it completed

2995
03:07:15,800 --> 03:07:18,840
before he died.
You got to love that guy.

2996
03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:21,880
Put his money where his mouth
was.

2997
03:07:21,920 --> 03:07:29,240
You really went for it.
So to me this is the single.

2998
03:07:30,080 --> 03:07:32,920
To me this answers the question
of section 135.

2999
03:07:34,400 --> 03:07:38,960
How can he could be compared to
Christ in terms of his influence

3000
03:07:39,480 --> 03:07:43,120
on the salvation of mankind?
Right.

3001
03:07:43,800 --> 03:07:48,400
Temples redemption of the whole
human race.

3002
03:07:48,400 --> 03:07:50,960
Not just himself.
Not just us.

3003
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:57,080
Few little Mormons, everybody.
The whole family of Noah, the

3004
03:07:57,080 --> 03:08:00,000
whole family of Adam.
He did that.

3005
03:08:00,520 --> 03:08:05,760
Right.
He restored it and he placed,

3006
03:08:05,800 --> 03:08:10,840
and he started that fire in the
bosom of Brigham Young, Wilfred

3007
03:08:10,840 --> 03:08:21,200
Woodruff, and all of us today to
redeem our fathers.

3008
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:29,120
There is.
There is no other work on the

3009
03:08:29,120 --> 03:08:34,040
face of the earth, religious or
otherwise, that compares in

3010
03:08:34,040 --> 03:08:35,320
scope.
Nope.

3011
03:08:35,360 --> 03:08:38,240
And significance and
significance redemption.

3012
03:08:39,080 --> 03:08:42,040
Yep.
That's a oh, it's a glorious

3013
03:08:42,040 --> 03:08:47,560
grand work, this choir.
I could actually did this piece

3014
03:08:48,920 --> 03:08:52,520
for a concert this last fall.
And in celebration of the

3015
03:08:52,520 --> 03:08:59,520
temple, you know, praise to the
man, hail to this prophet

3016
03:09:00,800 --> 03:09:02,280
ascended to heaven.
All right.

3017
03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:06,520
Death cannot conquer the hero
again, nor any of us.

3018
03:09:07,280 --> 03:09:08,880
No.
Because of because of Jesus

3019
03:09:09,160 --> 03:09:12,000
Christ, and because of the
sacrifices and the work of this

3020
03:09:12,000 --> 03:09:18,200
good man.
You know this, this time of year

3021
03:09:19,280 --> 03:09:22,840
is absolutely one of my favorite
times of the year.

3022
03:09:22,840 --> 03:09:26,040
It's the time of year I look
forward to all year long.

3023
03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:28,520
I mean, don't get me wrong, I
love summer.

3024
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:31,960
I love.
I love the 4th of July.

3025
03:09:31,960 --> 03:09:38,560
I I like the fall.
I like, you know, I love spring

3026
03:09:38,560 --> 03:09:41,760
and and Easter and and the
resurrection of the Savior.

3027
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:48,440
But this time of year is what I
really look forward to.

3028
03:09:50,600 --> 03:09:56,960
And I guess my hopes are is that
people will take a little bit of

3029
03:09:56,960 --> 03:10:00,240
time and all the other
festivities of Christmas where

3030
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:03,800
we commemorate the birth of of
Jesus Christ.

3031
03:10:03,840 --> 03:10:08,480
Even though it wasn't on this
day, I I get all, I get all the

3032
03:10:08,480 --> 03:10:09,720
arguments.
I understand.

3033
03:10:10,400 --> 03:10:14,800
Yeah, yeah.
But carve out a little bit of

3034
03:10:14,800 --> 03:10:22,520
time to just sit and contemplate
what Joseph's impact, and I use

3035
03:10:22,520 --> 03:10:29,200
the word impact, Oh yeah, with
all of its trappings to drive

3036
03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:33,600
home the point, all of his
impact that he's had on the

3037
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:36,520
human family.
And then go back to that

3038
03:10:36,520 --> 03:10:42,280
statement about Save Jesus Only
and I.

3039
03:10:43,760 --> 03:10:46,320
It's my contention.
That's not a stretch.

3040
03:10:47,000 --> 03:10:52,040
No, not hyperbole.
That's just not talk that can be

3041
03:10:52,040 --> 03:10:53,640
backed up.
Yeah.

3042
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:57,920
Hey, I just thought of one other
impact of the Prophet.

3043
03:10:57,920 --> 03:11:00,800
Joseph Smith.
You and I are friends.

3044
03:11:01,280 --> 03:11:04,160
Yeah.
Yeah, Do you not, Do you not

3045
03:11:04,280 --> 03:11:06,520
become a latter day, become a
latter day St.?

3046
03:11:06,520 --> 03:11:07,720
We wouldn't even know each
other.

3047
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:10,840
Yeah, yeah.
No, you're you're 1. 100.

3048
03:11:11,280 --> 03:11:13,680
Percent correct.
What did Brigham Young say?

3049
03:11:14,200 --> 03:11:18,280
The Gospel makes bad men, good,
good men and good men better.

3050
03:11:18,440 --> 03:11:21,800
Yep, that's exactly right.
I don't want to know which one I

3051
03:11:21,800 --> 03:11:24,760
am, I just thought I better.
I think I'm just barely

3052
03:11:24,760 --> 03:11:27,000
scratching good at this point,
Ken I.

3053
03:11:27,000 --> 03:11:30,360
Shudder.
I shudder to think the life that

3054
03:11:30,360 --> 03:11:34,160
I might have led without the
light of this restored gospel.

3055
03:11:34,160 --> 03:11:35,960
I can.
I can tell you where I would be,

3056
03:11:35,960 --> 03:11:42,240
which is probably in liver
failure, but yeah, absolutely.

3057
03:11:43,240 --> 03:11:45,920
Ken, I love you, brother.
Thanks for coming back on.

3058
03:11:46,360 --> 03:11:47,560
I love you too.
Thank you.

3059
03:11:47,680 --> 03:11:52,480
I thank you for this privilege,
paying, paying homage to this

3060
03:11:52,480 --> 03:11:55,560
man that I wish I could meet.
Wouldn't you love?

3061
03:11:55,560 --> 03:11:57,840
Just meet him.
Oh, I'm looking forward to the

3062
03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:01,120
day.
I'm looking forward to the day

3063
03:12:01,120 --> 03:12:02,000
me.
Too.

3064
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:11,160
I can't wait.
Like I said, Joseph's real

3065
03:12:11,160 --> 03:12:13,440
contributions, I believe are
and.

3066
03:12:13,440 --> 03:12:16,640
And don't get me wrong, all the
numbers are are amazing and

3067
03:12:16,640 --> 03:12:21,200
miraculous and point to just how
inspired his mission was.

3068
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:28,880
It's unbelievable, but it's the
individuals that his life and

3069
03:12:28,880 --> 03:12:34,280
his teachings have touched in so
many ways.

3070
03:12:35,920 --> 03:12:37,240
I'm so.
Glad you brought that up because

3071
03:12:37,240 --> 03:12:40,120
because you know, we talked
about, you know, 555 billion

3072
03:12:40,200 --> 03:12:45,240
endowments, but what in?
Those are all personal stories.

3073
03:12:45,520 --> 03:12:47,120
Right, right.
What's I was going to say?

3074
03:12:47,120 --> 03:12:49,880
It was pointed out in one of the
temple dedications, maybe Cedar

3075
03:12:49,880 --> 03:12:53,680
City, where the apostles was
speaking, he says.

3076
03:12:53,680 --> 03:12:58,400
And Please remember that we
don't do endowments in batches

3077
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:02,160
or groups.
Yeah, we take them through one

3078
03:13:02,400 --> 03:13:06,560
name at a time, and that name is
spoken out loud in the temple of

3079
03:13:06,560 --> 03:13:10,080
God for the first time in
centuries or maybe millennia.

3080
03:13:10,720 --> 03:13:13,480
Yeah.
The work of salvation is

3081
03:13:13,480 --> 03:13:17,560
personal, and the temple brings
that home or embraced

3082
03:13:18,080 --> 03:13:20,880
individually, one at a time by
God into his Kingdom.

3083
03:13:21,800 --> 03:13:24,840
Or even just the blessings we
enjoy in this life.

3084
03:13:25,560 --> 03:13:28,840
How we there, there.
I believe it was Lorenzo Snow.

3085
03:13:28,840 --> 03:13:31,160
I could be wrong.
It was either Lorenzo Snow or

3086
03:13:31,160 --> 03:13:36,920
Heber Kimball.
But when the concept of sealing

3087
03:13:37,880 --> 03:13:41,240
and eternal marriage is
presented, he and I'm going to

3088
03:13:41,240 --> 03:13:44,960
butcher this quote, but he
basically says I can now love

3089
03:13:44,960 --> 03:13:49,920
unrestrained.
I don't have to worry about not

3090
03:13:49,920 --> 03:13:54,600
seeing my family later.
And as a guy who struggled to

3091
03:13:54,600 --> 03:14:01,160
find the answers of what
happened to my family, I can

3092
03:14:01,160 --> 03:14:07,560
point to Joseph Smith and his
teachings and have hope and

3093
03:14:07,560 --> 03:14:11,400
assurance and not just faith,
but knowledge.

3094
03:14:11,760 --> 03:14:18,120
Yes, yes.
That we we can have those

3095
03:14:18,120 --> 03:14:20,000
relationships last through
eternity.

3096
03:14:20,560 --> 03:14:21,440
I love that.
I love that.

3097
03:14:21,440 --> 03:14:24,200
Because of Joseph Smith's
proximity to us in time and

3098
03:14:24,200 --> 03:14:25,520
space.
Yes.

3099
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:27,400
And.
And because.

3100
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:31,080
Because I'm, you know, the
patron St. of Dowdy Thomas

3101
03:14:32,480 --> 03:14:39,360
because of the concrete,
tangible witnesses of his

3102
03:14:39,360 --> 03:14:43,200
calling as a prophet that I
have, it's not even a question

3103
03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:47,520
in my mind.
It's a It's as real to me as my

3104
03:14:47,520 --> 03:14:49,840
mortal life.
Absolutely.

3105
03:14:50,120 --> 03:14:55,320
That life is eternal.
That my that my deceased son,

3106
03:14:55,440 --> 03:14:58,520
whose birthday I just
celebrated, is waiting for me.

3107
03:14:59,000 --> 03:15:03,440
Yeah, yeah.
And and and say.

3108
03:15:03,440 --> 03:15:04,760
Come on, Dad, don't blow it.
That's.

3109
03:15:05,680 --> 03:15:07,720
Exactly right.
That's exactly right.

3110
03:15:08,240 --> 03:15:16,760
And everything that I do,
certainly on this podcast, I'll

3111
03:15:16,760 --> 03:15:25,280
revolve around his prophetic
utterances and I'll forever be

3112
03:15:25,280 --> 03:15:31,040
grateful for that.
So, Ken, if I don't talk to you

3113
03:15:31,040 --> 03:15:34,680
before, then have a Merry
Christmas, my man.

3114
03:15:34,960 --> 03:15:36,080
Merry Christmas.
Thank you.

3115
03:15:36,600 --> 03:15:38,160
I love you, brother.
Love you too.

3116
03:15:38,160 --> 03:15:39,360
This is fun.
Thanks again.

3117
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:42,040
Absolutely.
You got more stuff on Joseph

3118
03:15:42,040 --> 03:15:43,320
Smith.
We'll tackle after the.

3119
03:15:43,320 --> 03:15:48,000
First, it never ends, right?
That's right.

3120
03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:49,160
Bye everybody.