Sept. 11, 2025

Special Episode: Be The Light Today W/Adam Hosey

Show Notes
Transcript

There are certain times in society that are deflection points, in our times those would be 9/11, the Wars in the Middle East, the Financial Collapse of 2008 and I believe what happened to Charlie Kirk will be one of those moments. Adam and I both felt the promptings to talk about it, so this episode is a little emotionally raw. After witnessing what happened today in Utah it is easy to want to strike back in anger. But as Adam and I talk we discuss why that could be the worst thing we could do and what we have to do as disciples of Christ moving forward through this dark chapter of American history.

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All right, the date today is
September 10th, 2025, and I

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don't need to tell everyone out
there what's happened.

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And I knew I was going to have
to say something about it.

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And my buddy Adam called me up.
He's been on before Adam Hosey.

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And he said, I think we need to
talk about this.

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And I said, I think you're
right, Don't want to.

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But I feel like, I feel like
stuff has to be said here at the

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moment 'cause I think we're at
an inflection point in our

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country.
And before we get into all that,

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I want to do something a little
bit out of the ordinary here

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today that I, I normally don't,
I always say a prayer with my

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guests before the podcast.
And usually that's off the

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recording because quite frankly,
I want to make sure that you,

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the listener, you're getting the
most out of your time, right?

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And so I like to just jump right
in.

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But today I'm, I want to open
this with a prayer and I want to

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want everyone to be kind of be
Privy to that.

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And if you're listening to this,
I know it's recording, but feel

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free to say a prayer with him.
I I with me I, I think, I think

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we could use it.
So I'll say a prayer and then

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we'll dive in our dear kind
Father in heaven, we come before

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thee at this time shook as we've
watched and almost real time

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some one of your children's
lives be snuffed out senseless

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senselessly in a place where he
should have been probably the

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safest.
We come humbled, understanding

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that life is precious and that
it is so fragile, Father, And

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we'd ask tonight that you would
just be with, with Charlie

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Kirk's family, give to them a
greater portion of the Spirit

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than they've had this far, if at
all possible, to take at least

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some of the sting away for for a
brief respite.

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Father, we'd ask that you would
bless all those who had to

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witness that, bless them with
peace.

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And we know that in the days to
come, there'll be much healing

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that needs to be done.
And we ask that you would send

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forth your spirit to do that.
Father, we pray for our country.

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At this moment.
I feel as though we are at A at

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a tipping point or an inflection
point and that we're going to

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need to not a lot more of you in
our lives than we've had to this

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point to be able to navigate
what comes next.

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Father, help us to be the people
we need to be.

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Help us to be the disciples that
we have to be, to point people

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towards Christ and not towards
violence and darkness.

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We would ask that you'd bless
all the first responders, that

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they might be able to apprehend
the subject, the the suspect,

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and that no further loss of life
may happen.

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And we just ask for your spirit
as we sit down and have this

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talk tonight, that we might be
measured, that we might speak

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truth, and that we might be in
tune with Thee.

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And we ask for all these things
humbly, in the name of Jesus

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Christ, Amen.
Amen.

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Well, Adam, I wish we were here
under better circumstances, but

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nonetheless, here we are.
Here we are.

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I was, I was talking to a friend
today after this all broke and I

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said I think this, I think this
is probably on par.

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I understand he's not a
politician, but I think this is

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on par with not with with the
JFK assassination.

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I was thinking the same thing.
I think as as JFK was to Texas,

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Charlie Kirk will be to Utah.
And I think this will be one of

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those things that that if
society makes it that long, will

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be looked at and analyzed for
years to come.

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And it's going to be a a time
that I think marks the

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calendars.
I'm about to be 48 now.

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And I was thinking back
throughout my life and, you

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know, you had 911.
You had the at, you know, before

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that, the advent of the
Internet, economic collapse in

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2008, continuous wars, divided
at home, the list goes on.

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These events, I think are going
to come no matter what.

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We can certainly do our best and
we should do our best to to stop

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them.
But I think the bigger question

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is how do we respond now?
How do we respond as as children

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of God, as disciples of Christ,
as as just human beings, one to

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another?
And that's what I think we're

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going to, we're going to go with
tonight because I don't remember

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a time in, in this nation's
history.

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And I've studied a little bit
about the country and about the

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nation.
I don't think we've been this

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divided since the Civil War
maybe.

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And it's it's it's not showing
any signs of slowing down.

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The only thing I think we can
control is how we respond.

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And that's where I think we're
going to go tonight.

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So Adam, again, man, I
apologize.

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It's under these circumstances.
But I'm glad you're here with

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me.
Yeah, man.

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So I agree with you about the
division, but I think this

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division is in, in some ways
it's more nihilistic in

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character because you know, in
the South, in, in the, in the

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Civil War, you had these
southern states that had this

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very obvious political alliance.
And it was, it was known by all

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parties and who the Confederacy
would be if they seceded.

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I mean, Joseph Smith predicted
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We know, you know, decades in
advance, but even people that

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weren't prophetic, that were
just analyzing the situation in

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1857 knew who would be the
Confederacy.

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And maybe there were some
questions about, I don't know,

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West Virginia or something.
But for the most part, it was

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fairly clear cut.
It was kind of like, you know,

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Northern Yankee culture that had
its mentality, especially after

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the Industrial Revolution had
really, you know, sort of come

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into swing and this old guard,
good old boy Southern agrarian

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culture.
And there was this divide, and

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it was geographic and it was.
Tied up in.

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Political.
Oh yeah.

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Sorry to bug you, but I think I
I don't think your your

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microphone is picking up.
I think it's picking up the

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laptop's microphone.
Hold on.

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There we go.
How about that?

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That's much better.
OK.

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Sorry about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So.
If you want to take that from

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the top, I can stitch it or we
can just continue.

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No, no, no, no.
Just just use it.

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Yeah, just use it.
It's fine.

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It's fine.
This is one of those off

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podcasts.
So I think it was, you know, it

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was tied up with, you know, like
these kind of neat political

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alliances.
And now, you know, the, the, the

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division is real in the way that
you describe it, but it, it's

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not like it's not like clear
cut, you know, you'll hear

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people say red States and blue
States and you'll hear people

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say liberals and conservatives
and urban and rural.

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But the problem is, is it's,
it's almost like, and I hate to

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just go on the Mormon podcast
and then say the most Mormon

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thing possible, but it's kind of
like the division between the

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people that are trying to do the
will of the Lord and those that

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have beholden themselves to, if
not the adversary directly his

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causes.
And it's, it's like, you know,

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imagine that.
Imagine that in this like ugly

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cosmic dualism, there was a
physical fight between the

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forces of good and evil
somewhere.

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Where does it take place?
Because, you know, I mean, in

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the Civil War, it happens in the
border States and maybe the

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South gets bold and makes an
invasion, but for the most part

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it happens in the southern
border states.

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And we know like, you know,
there's organized armies and

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these kinds of things.
Like a lot of this political a

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lot.
Oh God, it's it's like a

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nebulous enemy.
We have the media that has this

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narrative that they have to
push, and we've got institutions

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that have been just godlessly
liberalized beyond any average

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American's imagination.
And we've got people that push

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these divisive racial narratives
and that push narratives about,

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you know, just how Trump and his
supporters are all unrepentant

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Nazis.
And it's just like, it's almost

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like the division is in the mind
of each side, this caricature of

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evil.
And and the problem is it

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doesn't have neat boundaries and
neat sides.

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And like the concern that I have
is where does that, where does

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that go?
Like, you know, like, OK, in

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the, in the case of the South,
you know, you don't like the

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North, you'd secede, but or in
the case of West Virginia, don't

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like Virginia, you secede.
But like, what do we do?

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Because people that hate each
other and hate their world, the

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worldview of of the sort of like
the opposing worldview and that

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and that just like have this
this vitriolic contempt for

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people that don't think like
them live right next to each

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other in a lot of major urban
areas.

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And so, like, my concern is,
where does this go?

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Because what I don't see is a
way that this turns into

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anything other than, first of
all, pushing the divide further

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down the throats of your average
American, who is now going to be

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even more skeptical of their
neighbor that they may have had

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a political disagreement with in
1995.

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And they could have still drank
beer together, but is now going

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to hate everything about them.
So that's the first thing.

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The second thing is I, I don't
see a way that this doesn't push

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your average American just
further to the right and hard

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because the guy they killed was
the guy whose whole purpose he

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was the, the, the, the, the, the
dorky, friendly, warm spirited

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dad whose whole purpose was just
debating your average person

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about the things that they
thought and you killed you

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brutally murdered in front of
hundreds of millions of people

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and his his wife and his kids.
The guy who was the symbol of

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like friendly moderate discourse
on the right.

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And if you wanted to push him
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Your average young 21 year old
man that doesn't really have a

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whole lot that he stands for and
doesn't have a lot of hope in

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his life and doesn't have good
economic prospects and doesn't

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do well with women and lives in
this soulless age of pornography

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and technology and all these
things that are robbing him of

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the things that it means to be a
human.

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You are going to push those
people to the right and harm and

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it's going to come quickly.
I'm concerned that what they're

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going to do is they're going to
make real ass Nazis in America

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as these types of things
continue to happen.

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That is, is one of my, my
biggest fears and that is really

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where, where, where I want to
spend the majority of our time

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tonight.
We can't control what's happened

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to Charlie Kirk, right?
It's done right.

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There's there.
We pray for his family.

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We get ready to stand in service
any way we can.

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That's what we do now.
But above all else, and I know

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that this isn't an extremely
right now unpopular opinion, but

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we have to remain peaceful.
We have to now not allow

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ourselves to go over the rest,
go over the Cliff with the rest

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of humanity.
We now have to dig our heels in

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because it's going to be
incumbent upon us now that that

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we provide the alternative.
Adam, we were talking about not

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Charlie Kirk, but something I'm
going to bring up next.

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Just a few days ago, right?
If I'm not mistaken, I, I have a

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lot of phone calls.
So you can you can tell me if I

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was wrong here, but I think I
was talking about during the the

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Savior's time, there was a feel
there that every faction, Rome,

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the Sadducees, the Pharisees,
they were feeling Jesus out to

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see which side he was going to
be on.

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And to their chagrin, he wasn't
on anybody's side.

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He was on the side of God.
He was on the side of truth.

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He was on the side of of right.
And I think that's where we have

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to be now, right?
We are going to be asked, I

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fear, in the coming days and
weeks and months to choose a

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side.
And I think we have to figure

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out how we stand for truth and
don't go over the Cliff with the

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rest of humanity.
Because I warn you now, in the

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strongest way I know how, if you
strike out an anger, if you look

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for vengeance by your own hand
or the hand of any mortal, we

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will lose.
Yep.

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I look, I understand the
founding of America, and I'm not

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a guy who believes that that
that violence is never the

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answer.
But we're not there yet as a

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people.
No.

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And we can't allow ourselves to
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And Adam, you made a statement
there that that, that I think we

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that deserve some some
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What do you mean that there's
not a a better way to make

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authoritarians or Nazis in
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm so I'm using Nazis to

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mean like, you know, like
fascist right wing state first

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nationalist brown shirts that
would expend any class viewed as

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a threat to authoritarian power.
So but that's a lot of

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syllables.
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But what I mean by that is like,
OK, so, so, so think about what

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we've seen in the news media
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And what I, what I, when I say
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is not just like how the news
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That's part of it because that's
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establishment, the power brokers
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see, but also the events.
OK, so think about COVID, right?

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I mean, how long was Alex Jones
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Even that guy that the the the
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lived an eager that got killed.
That was like the predecessor to

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Alex Jones.
I forget his name, but he would

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he did a radio show in the early
90s and he was talking about,

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man, you know, one day the
medical establishment is going

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to claim a state of emergency
and they're going to use it to

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take all of your freedoms and
declare martial law and all,

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right.
I mean, they didn't declare

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martial law, but unfortunately,
because our society has just

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become so weak and feminized,
they didn't have to.

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They just had to say, look, you
don't want to kill grandma, do

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you?
And you see, this is how in my

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mind, feminism has kind of like
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the, the kind of like natural
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I, I think that the, the COVID
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of like major urban centers, a
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busy body women berating their
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that they are scared of.
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populace that was just basically
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outside, to not go to church, to
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to do all these kinds of things.
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predicting this for like 20
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nightmare came true.
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Then there was the Black Lives
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So that was wild.
OK, So at first, I was like the,

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like, the first couple hours
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remember thinking like, well,
this is kind of a Tea Party

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moment because, you know,
there's evidence out there that

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George Floyd was on drugs and,
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OK, fine, that's probably all
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But we know that the cops are
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So when it is time to enforce
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cops who will do it.
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those protests, they went to the
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it.
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kind of reminiscent of the Tea
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But then it was the business
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to that and the stuff that a
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And so all, all this is going
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stay in your house for, you
know, to, to, to not see your

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dying grandmother.
Now they tell you the same

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officials tell you, well, racism
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And so you can go outside and
congregate in big groups and not

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wear masks.
And as long as you're protesting

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George Floyd's murder, that's
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Like what a what a my, you know,
what word I want to say, but I

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won't say it there.
Like like absolutely mind

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bending logic.
And so your average person is

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seeing this going well.
I mean, what, like you just told

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me I couldn't see my dying
grandma.

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And now you're telling me that
this is perfectly acceptable.

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Then, you know, all that stuff
happens and, and, and, and then

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you get you get Kyle
Rittenhouse, which was, I mean,

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I mean, I don't know if anybody,
you know, listening to you watch

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the trial, but this guy was
absolutely persecuted by the

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prosecutor in Kenosha, WI the
video evidence.

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He did everything he could to
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It was a stupid decision, by the
way, for him to be at that

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protest with a gun.
If that was my kid and he came

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home, I'd have smacked him in
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But I mean, at the end of the
day, in the very legal

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definition, he was not out there
just like murdering people.

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He was defending himself from
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him.
But that becomes another

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incendiary, very inflection
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And if your view is that is of
the liberal mind state, you look

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at that and go, what, a
miscarriage of justice.

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People that Trump likes can just
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And if you're a conservative,
you look at that and go, holy

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hell, I don't have the right to
defend myself anymore.

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And how do you reconcile
disparate worldviews like that?

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And then you continue on down
the line over the last few

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years, you know, you've got the
January 6th stuff, so you watch

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the January 6th stuff on video
and it's like, mostly like 62

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year old, like women and men
kind of like, you know, sort of

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like randomly putzing around the
White House.

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And there's a couple psychos.
Like there's the one dude, I

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wish I could frame this photo in
my, you know, the, my office

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where he's got like his feet up
on Nancy Pelosi's desk and he's

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like looking at her picture in
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And you know, that's hilarious.
But, but I mean, there was a lot

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of like crazy stuff going on.
There are people breaking

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windows and, and, and smashing
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business.
But then we find out that.

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Well, there's all these FBI
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all these people on.
And so now it's the same thing.

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Again.
If you're a liberal, you look at

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this and you go, well, this is
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They tried to commit a
revolution on Inauguration Day

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or right before it or whatever.
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you look at this and go, well,
this was all a big setup job.

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It was like, it was like Randy
Weaver selling the shotgun to

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the ATF or something, you know,
and keep going.

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And so then Trump gets elected
again.

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He almost gets assassinated
twice and the first time it

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actually hits his ear there's I
don't even know anybody that

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doesn't think that that was
either set up by by the Trump

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administration themselves to
make him to sort of lionize him

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or by his enemies.
Everyone I know thinks that that

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is a conspiracy of some kind.
And your worldview will inform

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what kind of conspiracy you
think that it is.

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And then just the other day,
you've got this girl on this

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train in North Carolina that
gets brutally murdered by a

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guy's, a black guy, and he just
kills her.

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And then he stands up, walks off
the train, says, I got that

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white girl.
And he walks off the train.

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And the media doesn't report on
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And then it's leaked that I
think it was CBS or maybe it was

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ABC says, well, the reason we
don't report on that kind of

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stuff is because it would inform
a, a negative racial bias.

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And you go what?
Like, So what you're saying is

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you actually have a specific
narrative that you're pushing.

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And then finally you get Charlie
Kirk, the average happy cheery

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dad whose whole stick is
debating people.

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And by the way, I disagree with
Charlie Kirk on probably way

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more than most people in your
podcast because I have a very

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different take on foreign policy
and American engagements in the

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Middle East, etcetera.
But that's just who this guy

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was.
He was just like a friendly,

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cheery dad who would, like, walk
around and debate people.

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And so, OK, you look at all of
these events, well, what's going

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to happen?
Trust in major institutions.

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So not just the media, the media
first and foremost, but the

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public health institutions from
COVID, the justice system, from

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the Kyle Rittenhouse trial or
from this, this guy on the

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train, your local authorities
when it comes to some of these

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cover ups, like the prosecutor
in Kenosha, your, your, your

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security services, the CIA, the
FBI, like trust in every major

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institution is going to
collapse.

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And when people when stuff like
that collapses, people become

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fearful.
When they become fearful, they

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gravitate towards strong
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Don't let anybody ever forget
that Hitler came to power in the

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midst of an absolutely miserable
economic crisis in Germany due

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to war reparations from World
War One.

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I blame Woodrow Wilson for all
of Germany's economic woes at

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the time.
We'd get into that another

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podcast if you want, but at the
end of the day, and he comes to

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power in an economic landscape
where everyone is just

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absolutely losing their minds
over economic and political and

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personal instability and crime
is rampant.

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And man, we just need one guy
who is so strong and

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authoritative that he can sort
this out for us.

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And that is what you are going
to get by by fomenting all of

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this mistrust in institutions.
And you see, the further right

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that people go or the further
left, the closer they are to

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authoritarian dictatorship, The
question is just are you going

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to get Hitler or Stalin?
And that's the problem that we

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have one. 100.
Percent.

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I think we could have. 100% as I
my worst fear is that people

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give in to their to their rage
right now.

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Yes.
Adam, are you familiar with the

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Bubba effect?
A little bit.

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Why don't you, why don't you
make sure I am familiar and then

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we'll talk about it.
So the Bubba effect and this,

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this comes from a buddy of mine
who was he was in the Army.

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That's all I'm going to say
right there.

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But he had told me he's like,
one of the things that that we

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that we were taught about was
the Bubba effect.

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And I'm like, well, that's kind
of a silly name.

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Like what?
What is the Bubba effect?

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And he's like, let me paint you
a picture.

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It's easier if I paint you a
picture.

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Imagine some guy goes into a
town and does something

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horrendous to somebody and
rather than let him go, the

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population, some of the
population have become upset

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because the authorities haven't
done their jobs and they take

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matters into their own hands.
And it goes to, to a, a kind of

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a, a vigilante system, right?
And they, they just execute the

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guy who committed the crime.
And then the police come to

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arrest Bubba, the guy who
actually did the vigilante

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justice.
And then the rest of the town

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says you can't take Bubba.
You know he was wrong, but you

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don't get him.
That on the surface may feel

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good to somebody here in that
scenario will that evil doer got

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his.
But as soon as that begins to

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happen, we have social cohesion
tears apart.

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And once that's torn apart,
we've got no other recourse.

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We lose because, and I look, I'm
going to call it like I see it

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here.
The other side wants you to

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strike out right now.
That's what they want.

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They want you so angry that you
strike out.

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Why do they want you to strike
out?

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They'll live with you striking
out for the next however many

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years Trump is in power or his
cronies.

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But at some point they're coming
for you again when you do that.

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And this time they'll come down
from on high and they're going

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to they're going to take
everything from everybody,

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right?
Your First Amendment rights,

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your Second Amendment rights,
the whole thing, this, no matter

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how it goes down, whether this
was just a ravaged lone shooter

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who was out of his mind, who
killed him or whether this was a

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calculated hit, it does not
matter.

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They don't it doesn't matter
what what it was because they

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want you to strike out.
That is what they're counting

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on.
And if you strike out, we all

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lose.
You know, you're me out on this.

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Everybody just you're going.
We're going to have to start

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choosing Christ's way and not
and not our way.

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00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,640
Don't look for the wins to come
from the Republicans, the

442
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Democrats, anybody else.
The Savior is where the answers

443
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800
lie right now.
Yep.

444
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,680
And I think that this, this
founding of this country was

445
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,720
divinely inspired.
And I think that the principles

446
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,560
of freedom are the things that
really truly give you a safe and

447
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640
secure and prosperous society.
And I think one of the great

448
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,640
dangers is that as people get
more fearful, they are they, I

449
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,960
mean, I think Benjamin Franklin
was the one that said, you know,

450
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
he who would trade a little
liberty or who you would trade

451
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,960
liberty for safety deserves
neither and gets no deserves

452
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,000
deserves an either or something.
I don't know.

453
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,760
I'm going to butcher the quote.
But basically the idea is if you

454
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,600
go trading your freedom for
promises of the government to

455
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,120
protect you, it's going to turn
out badly for you.

456
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,440
And also by the way that the
government, so they suck at

457
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,800
everything they do.
So they're not even going to be

458
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,160
able to protect you very
effectively.

459
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,920
You know, I think one of the
things is and and this is this

460
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,040
is some so Chalmers Johnson.
So my arena of like, but you

461
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,160
can't even call it expertise.
I'm just like a random guy with

462
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,120
an opinion.
But I guess my area of interest

463
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,240
for the last 20 years or so
because I was young when Iraq

464
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,320
War 2 happened, is in
Afghanistan is foreign policy.

465
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080
And so I relate this to like a
foreign policy analogy.

466
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,680
You know, Chalmers Johnson wrote
a book in the early 2000s or the

467
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,280
1990s called Blowback.
And basically what he said is,

468
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,960
is like essentially violence
begets violence.

469
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,760
That wasn't his words, but that
was the point.

470
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,240
You know, like like 911 was.
There's a lot of things that

471
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,240
went into 911.
But but but 911, I mean, the

472
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,880
lead hijacker, Mohammed Atta
wrote down what he was thinking

473
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,320
when he did what he did.
And and when the I came up with

474
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000
the CIA or the FBI got a hold
of, you know, the stuff that he

475
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,080
had written to people that he
knew and he had this like little

476
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,040
manifesto and all this.
He basically said that the

477
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,120
reason that he joined up was
because of US support for the

478
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800
Israeli war in southern Lebanon,
where women and children had

479
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,880
been killed.
And so he joined up because he

480
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,920
wanted to go and attack the
United States for having

481
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040
supported Israel in this war in
southern Lebanon.

482
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,240
Well, if you go back further,
Israel starts the war in

483
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360
southern Lebanon because of
violence committed against them.

484
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,080
If you go back further, the
violence was committed against

485
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,040
them because of something that
happened with Israel.

486
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,760
And it's like it's just this
never ending cycle of upward

487
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,720
escalation when you when, when
violence begets violence.

488
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
And the problem is, and this is
where blowback comes into play

489
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,760
is a lot of times those, those
consequences are not foreseen.

490
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280
You know, like, who would have
thought that Israel goes to war

491
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,320
in southern Lebanon.
And that means that an Egyptian

492
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,600
grad student jumps on a plane
from Hamburg, Germany, flies to

493
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Florida for however many months,
gets his training from Saudi

494
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720
intelligence officials, and then
ends up bombing the World Trade

495
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Center.
Like the, the the problem is, is

496
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,560
violence begets violence, but
you can't predict where the next

497
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,000
violence is coming.
And all of this stuff, all of

498
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600
this stuff is the enemy of
freedom.

499
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,320
It is, see, war is, there's a,
there's a saying war is the

500
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,480
health of the state, but really
violence is the health of the

501
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,080
state.
Fear is the health of the state.

502
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,560
The reason that war is an
effective tool to conjure up

503
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,720
state power is because people
are afraid of war.

504
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,960
They don't want to die.
They don't want people to kill

505
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
them.
And so that tool becomes a

506
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,640
really effective way to wield
power.

507
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,440
And if you think about it, we
live in an era where there's

508
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,920
just like, no, really, like
strong and like, and I don't

509
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,280
mean strong, like, yeah, I'm a
big tough guy.

510
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,480
But like, truly, you know, like,
strong, grounded men of God in

511
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,560
positions of leadership that are
willing to take bold stances

512
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,560
even in the face of, you know,
public pressure and public

513
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,560
opposition because it is the
right thing to do.

514
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Like, major institutions are
generally not led by people like

515
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,000
that.
But those are the people that

516
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,800
find off ramps in episodes of
major conflict.

517
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,120
And if we don't have anybody
like that, you know what's going

518
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,880
to happen.
The conflicts are just going to

519
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840
keep on escalating.
And everybody's got to remember

520
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,480
that fear and violence are the
enemies of your freedom.

521
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,280
So if you like your First
Amendment and your Second

522
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Amendment and your 4th Amendment
and you know all of them, the

523
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,520
way you preserve that is by not
being a part of this rabid cycle

524
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,600
of escalation.
Hold on.

525
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920
My computer is I had to plug in
my computer.

526
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,200
I didn't plug in.
Rookie mistake.

527
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,640
No, you're good.
Like like you said, we're going.

528
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,280
Not quite live, but close.
Yeah, All right.

529
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:50,960
We're good.
All right, So what was your

530
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,320
initial reaction when you first
saw what had happened?

531
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Well, well, when I so it depends
when I saw the first video,

532
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,880
which is from far away, the
first thing that I thought was,

533
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,360
Oh God, I hope that just grazed
him.

534
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,560
Then when I saw the close up
video, I was like, oh, he's

535
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,200
dead.
I mean, that was there was just

536
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,360
there was no way anyone survives
that.

537
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,520
And, and my reaction was, you
know, like this guy's got kids,

538
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,240
man.
And oh, he's like, he's just

539
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,680
like the nice guy.
You know, you didn't, you didn't

540
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,200
pick the, the inflammatory
militant.

541
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,160
You know, you didn't pick the
guy like Alex Jones that sits on

542
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,920
his camera and yells.
And I'm not saying it would be

543
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,280
justified if it was Alex Jones.
Of course it wouldn't.

544
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160
But I'm just saying that like
the optics of this are going to

545
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,240
be so inflammatory to people on
the right because you picked the

546
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520
nicest of them.
You picked the moderate guy and.

547
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Dude was less spicy than Ben
Shapiro.

548
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Yes, yes, that is a great way to
put that.

549
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,880
And that's the guy you picked
with two kids and this very nice

550
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,680
wife that shows up in his photos
occasionally and all these kinds

551
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,120
of things and at his events and
and that's the guy you picked.

552
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,280
I just think, like, if you could
find a way to drive more people

553
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,880
on the right hard right, I can't
think of what it would be.

554
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,280
I mean, in my mind, that is the
only foreseeable outcome here.

555
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,640
And that was what I thought at
first.

556
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640
I was like, well, I guess the
Overton Window just shifted to

557
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600
somewhere between Mussolini and
Nazi, or Mussolini and Hitler,

558
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
you know?
I'm familiar with the Overton

559
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,360
window, I've talked about it on
here before, but why don't you

560
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,200
tell people what that is?
The way that I think of the

561
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Overton window is basically like
the bounds of accept acceptable

562
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,040
public discourse and ways of
viewing an event.

563
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,560
So like, you know, like our
example, you know, like a

564
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920
really, a really good example of
this is in America, at least for

565
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,200
a while now, the, the the
Overton window is probably best

566
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,800
explained at least in the way
that I understand it, by like by

567
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,360
highlighting the extremes.
So in America now, if you were a

568
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080
public figure and you were
accused of being a communist,

569
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,320
that is like a slander.
But if you were accused of being

570
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,400
a Nazi, that's like a real
slander.

571
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,840
And so that tells you that that
window of publicly acceptable

572
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,120
opinion is somewhere to the
left, right, because it would be

573
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,159
worse to be a Nazi than a
communist.

574
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Now, in, you know, actual
history, of course, communists

575
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,199
killed millions of more people
than Nazis.

576
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,840
They're all awful
authoritarians.

577
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,520
And I think, you know, Hitler
and Stalin and Mao SEI tongue

578
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,000
are all just languishing in
outer darkness together.

579
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:29,080
But but the fact that one of
these was sort of like less

580
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,120
incendiary than the other tells
you where that window is.

581
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,400
That's how I understand it.
Yeah, it's, it's also used in in

582
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480
political negotiations, right.
And we see this quite

583
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280
frequently.
Like we saw the the Democrats

584
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,719
were the master of this, by the
way.

585
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,760
They would come out with some
crazy far left stuff and say

586
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600
this is our proposal.
And the Republicans would be

587
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,280
like, whoa, no, we can never go
that far.

588
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Well, then the Democrats would
come back with still crazy, but

589
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,400
way less crazy.
Not way less crazy, just less

590
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,880
crazy, right?
And that's the window it

591
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,640
shifted.
Right, hold it to the.

592
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,880
Left.
Yep, they pulled it to the left,

593
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,280
right.
And they did it by opening the

594
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,360
window wider in the initial hey,
let's do this, and then it

595
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,680
closed back down a little bit.
But nonetheless, they still got

596
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,400
the window open.
Yep, and I mean and you know.

597
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,760
I forgot.
Oh, go ahead.

598
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,440
No, you go.
I.

599
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,720
Was just going to say, you know,
I, I read the opinions of some

600
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,720
of these, you know, young
political commentary types on

601
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,040
the Internet.
And I mean, there is a growing

602
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,880
number of people who are OK with
being like, yeah, Hitler was a

603
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,320
great figure in Europe, which
tells you where this is going.

604
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,840
I mean, there's there's there's
a substantial number of young

605
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,960
white American men in
particular, and there's still

606
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,800
not a huge amount, right?
I mean, your average American

607
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,400
guy is like Hitler.
That guy was terrible.

608
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,280
But it is way more than in the
past where these young political

609
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,520
commentators are saying things
like, yeah, you know, I I like

610
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,680
being identified with the brown
shirts because he was a, you

611
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,880
know, guardian of European
culture against the tidal wave

612
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,800
of, you know, communism.
And dude, I mean, that is like,

613
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,720
I just cannot think of something
that could be more damaging to

614
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:32,120
the cause of the American
project, you know, I mean, like,

615
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,920
you know, we are endowed with an
from our creator with

616
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,920
inalienable rights.
Like that is the antithesis of

617
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,120
the state gives you rights, you
know, and that is the

618
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,600
authoritarian mind state is that
the state gives you rights.

619
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,880
And that was the Nazi party's,
you know, mentality.

620
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,160
That was their philosophy, is
that your rights flowed from

621
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,800
whatever helped the state, you
know, in its pursuit of its

622
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,760
ambitions.
And I just, I just that Overton

623
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,560
window man, especially among
young men.

624
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,680
And, and by the way, you know,
let's talk about this for a

625
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,880
minute.
OK, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna get

626
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,200
off into something else in the
culture war.

627
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,600
But I think this is, I think
this is true.

628
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:20,440
Young men are childless and
unmarried and less sexually

629
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,720
active and but like, not because
they're less licentious just

630
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:33,720
because they can't get married
and less less prosperous and

631
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,720
less hopeful for the future than
young men have been at any

632
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,560
documented point in American
history.

633
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:48,240
And my great concern is that
that is the recipe to generate a

634
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,880
bunch of people without a cause
that are looking for one.

635
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,080
And if you give them, if they do
not have the gospel in their

636
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,800
hearts, they've got a gospel
shaped hole and it's going to

637
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,400
get filled by something.
And it could be the state or the

638
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,320
culture of America or something
like that, that becomes the

639
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,360
authoritarian statist idol for
them to hopefully find something

640
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,840
meaningful in their lives where
they don't currently have it.

641
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,440
And I think that's a risk.
I also think the risk in that is

642
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440
that it's like, you know, in
Vietnam, they used to call some

643
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,840
of these like sort of perpetual
cycles of like bombing and these

644
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,120
are called the self licking ice
cream cone essentially like just

645
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,120
just, you know, it just creates
its own, it just eats itself.

646
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,760
And and so one of the other
things I think is the problem

647
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,920
is, is women in the aggregate in
the modern American culture have

648
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,960
moved to the left.
So men are young men are moving

649
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,600
to the right and they're feeling
terrible about things.

650
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,120
Women are feeling reasonably
good about things, at least in

651
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,960
polling and stuff.
I have questions about what that

652
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,560
really means that like a soul
level.

653
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680
But they're feeling reasonably
good about things and they've

654
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,840
got careers and a lot of them
have independence, but they're

655
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,440
moving even further to the left
and they're less interested in

656
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,520
children, they're less
interested in families and all

657
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,280
these kinds of things.
And So what I see happening

658
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,480
there is that problem making
itself worse among young people.

659
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:15,760
And I almost see this, this
political divide as, how would I

660
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,400
describe it, this political
divide as like inherently one

661
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,520
that would produce the worst
outcomes.

662
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Because when I think about these
young men that are looking for

663
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,240
something that is going to
fulfill them and all these kinds

664
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,520
of things, and they're fearful
for the world and they're not

665
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
optimistic and whatever.
I mean, that is that is

666
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,400
literally this is book written
by Trevor Aaronson.

667
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,280
So this probably blows away a
lot of your readers, but I

668
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,360
promise you this doesn't come
from www.conspiracy.com or

669
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,040
anything.
This is absolutely just real

670
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,040
stuff from real FBI reports.
But there's this book from a guy

671
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,720
named Trevor Aaronson, who was a
journalist for salon.com back

672
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,200
when salon.com actually did
journalism in like, the 2000

673
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,800
and, you know, 5 to 13 range
before they were just a liberal

674
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,560
rag.
And he wrote this book called

675
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,360
The Terror Factory.
What he did is he went through

676
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,480
all of the supposed terror plots
that were busted by the FBI

677
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,040
inside the United States of
America.

678
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,160
And it turned out that, like
almost all of them were just all

679
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,280
set up jobs.
Like there was one where there

680
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,440
was like some mentally disabled
Pakistani kid who was like

681
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,160
perpetually online living in his
dad's basement, and he got set

682
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,960
up by some FBI agent who told
him that his uncle was training.

683
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,680
Al Qaeda fighters to be on the
Pakistani pole vaulting team or

684
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,600
something like that, because
they were just like the most in

685
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,720
shape in the Pashtun regions.
And so he sent his uncle money,

686
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,560
he thought, and he ended up
going to prison for this.

687
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,280
And I think that's the story.
Something insane like that.

688
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,080
That's not exactly.
It's something crazy like that

689
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,520
ended up going to prison for
this.

690
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
But but the guys that actually,
like were prepared to commit

691
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,360
real, you know, acts of
terrorism were inevitably young,

692
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,680
hopeless, unmarried, childless
men without jobs looking for a

693
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,200
purpose to fulfill them.
And like, this is the thing.

694
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,840
This is this is the most
dangerous element of society.

695
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,840
And they're the ones that need
the gospel to truly be able to

696
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,440
sublimate their inner masculine
urges that are destructive in

697
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,240
nature and channel them into
positive energy and the kind of

698
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,240
thing that builds the Salt Lake
Temple.

699
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,600
And so instead, if they don't
have that because they don't

700
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,680
have the gospel and we live in
this godless age of, you know,

701
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,680
screams and, and, and nihilism
and, and just general confusion,

702
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,160
they're going to fill it with
something.

703
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,160
And my concern is that it is
going to be with authoritarian

704
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,160
ideology, the likes of which we
haven't seen since the 1940s.

705
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Every man is religious, I don't
care what anyone says.

706
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Every man is religious.
It just depends on who your God

707
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,600
is, right?
Yep.

708
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:52,920
And look, you and I both come
from pretty godless backgrounds,

709
00:41:53,080 --> 00:42:00,200
right?
And we figured out by the grace

710
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,760
of God, I want to say right
that.

711
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,080
Amen.
That you need something bigger

712
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,800
than yourself to believe in if
you're going to make it through

713
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600
right?
There's no, there's no

714
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,800
coincidence there that when you
go to an, A, a meeting, one of

715
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,640
the first things they'll tell
you is you got to surrender

716
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,080
yourself to a higher power.
They don't tell you who it has

717
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,720
to be.
It could be Jesus, it could be,

718
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,000
you know, Allah, it could be
Buddha, it could be the Flying

719
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,840
Spaghetti Monster from outer
space.

720
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,520
But you better surrender
something over something that's

721
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,760
bigger and better than yourself,
or else you're you're not going

722
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120
to make it interesting.
Studies done about cancer

723
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,000
patients or people facing
horrendous situations, the more

724
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,680
faith they had, the more ability
they had to get it out.

725
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,240
Every man is religious.
For some men, it's a deity.

726
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,360
For other men, it's the
environment.

727
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,000
For some men, it's the state.
And the state is the problem.

728
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,600
And I want to go back to
something.

729
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,600
And that is the story of Moses
found in the Pearl.

730
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Great price.
So he's up there.

731
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,760
He's on the mountain.
The Lord comes to him.

732
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480
He's kind of wiped out and
tired.

733
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,480
And then another being of light
shows up and he says, hey, here

734
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,160
I am.
I'm back.

735
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Worship me.
Moses knows, though, you're an

736
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,960
imposter.
You're not the Savior, you're

737
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,440
not God the Father.
You are an imposter and we hear

738
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,280
that Satan then like yells and
causes the ground to shake so

739
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,920
badly and then departs almost
every time.

740
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Evil wants you to beg for the
evil that they have to give to

741
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,160
you.
Yep.

742
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,640
Every time.
It doesn't matter if it's

743
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,680
Lucifer himself on the mountain
with Moses, or political

744
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,400
factions.
When, when the violence gets bad

745
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,640
enough, when the unrest gets bad
enough, people will cry out for

746
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,680
a strong man, as you were
alluding to someone just to make

747
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,440
it stop.
And there will be a man or a

748
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:32,400
group of men who are prepared to
give you what you're asking for,

749
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,680
right?
Yep.

750
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,480
How do we avoid that train
wreck?

751
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,680
We avoid that by not playing
into the trap.

752
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,600
And look, I asked you what you
your thoughts were as as soon as

753
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,360
you watched it.
I wept when I first saw it.

754
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Then I got pissed.
Yeah.

755
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,920
Then it was we need to go round
up the blankety blanks.

756
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,560
That blankety blank did this and
blank the mainstream media and

757
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:13,680
the whole ball of wax, right?
But I had to stop for a minute

758
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,440
and say none of this is
productive, right?

759
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,200
I'm only feeling worse and worse
as I do this.

760
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,560
It feels good in the moment.
There's kind of some catharsis

761
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,880
there and it's OK to experience
that, but it's not OK to get

762
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,560
give into that.
We have to look at a better way

763
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,160
than what has been modeled for
us up to this point.

764
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,600
Riots they're not going to do
with, they're not going to do

765
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,880
it.
You're you're going to play into

766
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,600
their hand.
They'll send the National Guard

767
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:50,480
whatever it takes.
What happened up at the Capitol

768
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,320
January 2020 is what they want.
Yes, that is what they want.

769
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,240
Don't give them what they want,
correct?

770
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,320
Because as soon as you do, you
are now the enemy.

771
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,400
They.
Will come.

772
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,880
They will come for your freedoms
and it won't stop it.

773
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Just the guns.
Let's get that off the table

774
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,880
right now.
You want to know how a society

775
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,840
like Britain ends up being
Britain where you can go to jail

776
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,280
for quote, dead naming someone.
And that's where you would use

777
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,040
the word he instead of she.
If it was a male that said he

778
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,440
was a female.
How does that happen?

779
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,320
It happens because of some sort
of intimidation.

780
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080
This is one more part of that.
That is what you will lose.

781
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:46,240
What we deem as godly and a
divine will be considered

782
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,200
outlawed if we strike out.
It is so important in this

783
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:58,080
moment to remain peaceful.
Yeah, I mean, so I think what we

784
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,680
need, so there's this concept
that I just really admire in

785
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,760
like Quranic studies, which is
this idea that the Quran was

786
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,680
written intentionally to have
like multiple layers of meaning.

787
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,480
So you'll hear the esoteric and
exoteric described, but but if

788
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,480
you really get into the
scholarship, the idea is that

789
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,800
there's potentially infinite
levels of meaning, right?

790
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,800
And so a real story can also be
an allegory.

791
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,360
And I think, I think that that
is the, and I'm gonna get the

792
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,640
book wrong.
But what is that in, in Judges

793
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,080
or Chronicles where the, the
woman rolls over on her baby and

794
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,800
then she, they, they so, so, so
for anybody not listen, anybody

795
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,560
listening that doesn't know,
right, I have to consider the

796
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,720
possibility.
There are people that have not

797
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,680
read the Bible that are, that
are listening to the story.

798
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,040
So there's these two women that
are living in a house together

799
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,000
and they both have newborns.
And I think it even specifies

800
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,280
that they're harlots or
something like that.

801
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,800
So they both have newborns and
they're sleeping at night.

802
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,840
And back then, of course you
would have slept with your baby.

803
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:05,000
And one of the women rolls over
onto her baby and kills it,

804
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,360
suffocates the baby.
And the two women wake up in the

805
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:15,080
morning and one woman finds the
dead baby next to her, but she

806
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,600
she recognizes that it's not her
baby.

807
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,040
It's essentially the other woman
swapped the babies.

808
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,000
So now what do you do?
Right?

809
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,960
Like, how do you, like, you
could see how the, the, that

810
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,240
could just immediately turn into
escalatory violence.

811
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,800
I'm just going to kill you and
take the baby.

812
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,880
But then now what?
Now you've got a dead baby and

813
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,240
her mother in your house.
And then that could turn bad for

814
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,520
you.
And then your kid could be

815
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,920
motherless now.
And I mean, it sounds like the

816
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,520
kids already fatherless if
they're heartless.

817
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,480
And so you could see how like
violence begets violence.

818
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,760
And So what happens is the two
women go to Solomon and Solomon

819
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
in his wisdom, remember, Solomon
prayed.

820
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,040
He was told to ask for whatever
he wanted from God, and he

821
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,920
prayed for wisdom that he might
rule his people effectively.

822
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,800
So I think that's really, really
important.

823
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,800
God granted him because that's
what he asked for.

824
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,040
He said, give me wisdom.
And God said, OK, if that's what

825
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,560
you want, that's good.
He said you could ask for

826
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,600
anything, but you ask for
wisdom, I will give it to you so

827
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,440
that you could rule the people.
So these two women go to Solomon

828
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,760
and then there's the live baby.
They've got the live baby with

829
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,320
them and, and, and, and they
both say, hey, this is my baby.

830
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,600
And the other woman rolled over
on him and, or on her own baby

831
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,120
and, and killed him.
And so this baby that's living

832
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,400
is mine.
And they both say this and

833
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Solomon says, all right, give me
the baby.

834
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,200
And so they give him the baby
and he says he's going to cut

835
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,520
the baby in half and he's going
to give 1/2 to each of them.

836
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,080
And what he's doing is he's
calling their bluff.

837
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,600
And so the, so the, so the one
woman whose baby, the live baby

838
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,840
was not the woman who rolled
over on her baby says, yeah,

839
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,760
let's do that.
Give me half the baby and her

840
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,280
half the baby, 'cause then
we'll, you know, whatever.

841
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,440
And the other woman says she can
have him, it's fine.

842
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,360
And Solomon says, then that
makes you the mother because you

843
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,360
are the one who has selfless
love.

844
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,360
That's not his exact words.
But that's the point is she has

845
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,760
selfless love.
Well, so I think there's like

846
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,680
multiple layers of meaning right
there.

847
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,400
One of them is like the proper
kind of love for a parent to a

848
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,080
child.
And the other one is like, how

849
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,560
sick and twisted do you have to
be to to try and steal someone's

850
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,080
baby?
But then another layer of

851
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,040
meaning, and this is where I
think it's kind of like a true

852
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,400
story and also an allegory is
that I think Solomon in that

853
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,320
role serves as an allegory for
the kind of judicious wisdom

854
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:42,200
that we have to have at the helm
of a system that is truly rooted

855
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,400
in law.
And I think that like we have no

856
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,400
Solomon's right now.
And that's what we need is like

857
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,040
somebody that has that kind of
pressure, not even somebody, but

858
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,760
like a system that has that kind
of prescience and wisdom.

859
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,000
And I think we had that.
I think that's how this country

860
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,640
was founded.
But I think from the start, you

861
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,440
know, the freedoms had been
whittled away.

862
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,800
And I think I think there were
periods of extreme diminishing

863
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,760
of freedoms, like, you know,
basically all the wars.

864
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
I mean, you're, you know, during
the Civil War, you know, one of

865
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,080
the things they don't tell you
is the number of journalists.

866
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,680
Abraham Lincoln jailed, it was
some insane number.

867
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,680
It was like half of the
journalists operating in the

868
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Northeast.
Extra judicial killings, like,

869
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,760
you know, all kinds of things
that were happening in during

870
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,520
the Civil War.
And they're all kinds of

871
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,320
freedoms that people lost.
And then in the First World War,

872
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,760
they lost a little more in the
second.

873
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,000
They lost a lot.
I mean, that was a full scale

874
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,640
government takeover, the
economy.

875
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,000
And then and then, you know,
Vietnam and Korea, they were

876
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,400
sort of like, you know, they
were healthy for the state, but

877
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,760
kind of blips on the radar for
freedom.

878
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,600
And then you got 911 and we
really lost a lot.

879
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,280
And then COVID, which I guess
was not a war, but was as good

880
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,760
of one in terms of being a boon
for, you know, those that would

881
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000
take our rights.
I mean, we're to a place now

882
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,240
where this is a very
unrecognizable state of affairs

883
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,320
versus what Thomas Jefferson
would have known.

884
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,160
And I think we had freedom and
we had a system that was, you

885
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,480
know, righteous in its mechanism
of judgement and was like, sort

886
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,000
of like the manifestation of the
wisdom of Solomon.

887
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640
But we've lost that.
And I think that's what we need

888
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:19,760
is some way to restore that kind
of rule.

889
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:22,800
I don't know how we're getting
there, though.

890
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,400
That's the crisis.
Well, it's funny, you know, one

891
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,320
of the things I had thought of
probably 5-6 years ago.

892
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:41,000
The only way that I think we can
truly win this is by kind of

893
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,400
making the government
irrelevant.

894
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,120
And let me explain what I mean
by that.

895
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:50,240
I'm not saying go total anarchy.
What I'm saying is stop making

896
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,200
everything the state's
responsibility.

897
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,040
You see your neighbors
struggling, you go relieve his

898
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:03,480
his suffering, right?
Look, last time I checked Jesus

899
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,720
didn't say hey if you see
someone struggling, go ahead and

900
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,520
give more to Caesar and then ask
Caesar to go fix it.

901
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:14,320
Yes, correct the.
Savior gave a direct mandate to

902
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,200
go help your neighbor, correct?
Look after the widows and the

903
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,920
orphans to take care of those
who are in in distress.

904
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,400
He didn't farm that out to a big
organization, he said.

905
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,680
You go do it.
This is your Commission that I

906
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,800
am giving you.
Well, and if you think about it,

907
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,160
sorry, go ahead.
If we want that kind of system

908
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,520
back, then we have to take
responsibility for it, right?

909
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,920
We have to be the change we want
to see.

910
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,280
And you said something else that
was interesting, right?

911
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,080
We don't have anybody in that
system right now with the wisdom

912
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,440
of Solomon, because this time I
think God wants us to do it.

913
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,320
I think we've tried the whole
let's get the one man to fix

914
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,840
that, right?
Whether that's the one man in

915
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,960
religion or whether that is one
man in the government, it does

916
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,360
not work, right.
We have to be that change we

917
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,920
want to see.
Yep.

918
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,000
That comes with some work and
that comes with a hell of a lot

919
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,680
of responsibility.
Well, you know what I do think

920
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,280
that the, the lessons of the
last 50 years have taught us is

921
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,960
that like, you know, like to,
to, to, to, to go down this path

922
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,200
of, of how do you keep your
freedom?

923
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Well, first of all, not being
violent.

924
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,280
Violence always begets more
violence and it begets a loss of

925
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,280
freedoms.
But if we wanted to restore our

926
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,360
freedoms, I think first of all,
and this is like, this is just

927
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,440
so cheesy for me as a Mormon,
not a Mormon podcast to say

928
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,960
this, but like, I mean, we get
people got to find Jesus, man,

929
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,840
like they got to do that.
That's, that's like, we got it.

930
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,400
I feel like there's two things
we got to get the gospel out

931
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,960
there.
But then the second thing is to

932
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,920
make the government irrelevant.
I think we need, like, a culture

933
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,960
of civil disobedience.
So one of the reasons that the

934
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,680
Soviet Union collapsed, and you
can read this in accounts at the

935
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,520
time, is that, like, at some
point, people just stopped

936
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,000
listening to them.
Like, you were supposed to get

937
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,960
your bread from the bread line.
You know, the local factory that

938
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,240
gave you your allotment based on
the number of children you had

939
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:13,680
and how old they were and all
that type of stuff.

940
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,160
But eventually, people just
started setting up bread shops,

941
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,080
and they were illegal, and they
didn't have any currency they

942
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,160
could use because the ruble was
so completely devalued.

943
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,400
But they, like, traded things
for this stuff.

944
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,920
And eventually, and I'm not
saying that we should just,

945
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,400
like, suddenly, you know, have a
barter economy, and that's the

946
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,720
way out.
Maybe if things get bad enough,

947
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,920
we have no choice.
But, like, people just kind of

948
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,520
stopped listening.
And then, I mean, that might

949
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,920
have been the greatest miracle
of the 20th century, that the

950
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,800
Soviet Union fell without any
major wars.

951
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,280
I mean, you got all of these old
factions in Europe and in

952
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Central Asia that could have
absolutely gone to just genocide

953
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,960
a war.
And there've been some lingering

954
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,520
conflicts, you know, Russia and
Georgia, Russia and Ukraine.

955
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,560
You know, there was some some
violence between, oh God, was it

956
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,160
like the Turks, Turkmen and the
Uzbeks or something?

957
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:09,000
But for the most part, you know,
the Czech Republic and Romania

958
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,040
and Belarus and Bulgaria, I
mean, a lot of these countries

959
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,280
just, they just saw the Iron
Curtain fall away and no one

960
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,080
killed anybody.
And it was basically just

961
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,800
freedom was restored.
And it was because they just

962
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,400
didn't listen anymore.
They're like, yeah, whatever.

963
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,560
It doesn't matter.
You have some stupid law and I

964
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,600
don't care.
And I think right now, you know,

965
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,800
one of the things is like, we
saw this during COVID too.

966
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,240
You know, I never once wore a
mask in a store ever during

967
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:32,720
COVID.
And I had several people that

968
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,200
were like, put your mask on and
I'd be like, OK.

969
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,800
And then I just didn't.
And nothing, no one ever did

970
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,560
anything about it.
And, and, and it got to a point

971
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,400
where in my town that I was
living in at the time, which was

972
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,640
in Arizona, it's called
Wickenburg.

973
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,440
It's a little cowboy town on the
middle of nowhere.

974
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,400
In the very beginning, everybody
in the store was wearing a mask

975
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,600
except me.
I was like the alien.

976
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:57,160
By the time like the early 2021
rolled around, nobody was doing

977
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,760
it anymore.
Even the employees weren't.

978
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,200
And what, even though there was,
there was a, there was a, there

979
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,080
was a rule in place in Maricopa
County that like your business

980
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,080
had to require this and had to
enforce it.

981
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,760
And they just didn't.
And like that's the power of us

982
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,200
taking accountability for our
own welfare and that of our

983
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,960
neighbors.
And if we find Christ, we have

984
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,160
the incentive to do that.
You know, one of the things that

985
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:26,000
I think is really what's really
interesting that you said is the

986
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,840
idea that we outsource these
functions to the government,

987
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,920
right?
And if you think about it,

988
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,600
there's really no function that
at this point we haven't, if we

989
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,280
haven't outsourced that, we've
tried, we've outsourced our

990
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,440
health to the government, right?
We, I mean, public health is

991
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,760
outsourcing health to the
government, you know, I mean,

992
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,680
and just just think about this
or I'm not going to get like off

993
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,400
in a conspiracy land here, but
just think about like the

994
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,040
hepatitis B vaccine.
Hepatitis B is a vaccine that is

995
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,280
given to a one day old infant to
protect against a sexually

996
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,280
transmitted disease disease and
its immunity wears off by the

997
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,960
time the kid reaches sexual
maturity.

998
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:03,000
Like there is no point to that.
And yet millions and millions of

999
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,400
parents have hospitals
administer that to their

1000
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,440
children when they're born
because they trust that the

1001
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,520
government has their health
interests and understanding in

1002
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,080
mind.
We've outsourced our childcare

1003
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,960
to the government, you know, or
at least to other people who are

1004
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,360
not our children before they get
to school age.

1005
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,520
And then once they get to school
age, then it is really just

1006
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,080
outsourced to the government.
We've outsourced our security to

1007
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,320
the government.
How many layers of, you know, in

1008
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,760
Texas here, for example, where I
live in, in, in just one area, I

1009
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,400
have city police, county police,
what are called the local

1010
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,280
district constables.
I live 4 miles from the border.

1011
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,080
So there's also Border Patrol
down here.

1012
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,000
There's the state police and
occasionally, well, I guess

1013
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,760
they're a part of the state
police, but then you'll see like

1014
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,560
the Rangers.
And so I've got like 7 or 8

1015
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,800
police jurisdictions that have,
you know, enforcement

1016
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,320
jurisdiction over my like, house
where I live.

1017
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,360
And, and, and, and, you know,
like, I'm not saying that we

1018
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,680
don't need a, a police function
or something, but like, you

1019
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:14,600
know, we, we call the, we call
the cops when, you know, I don't

1020
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,440
know, we hear a noise outside.
Like maybe it's kind of just the

1021
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,520
job of like a man to go
investigate the noise before we,

1022
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,560
you know, call the government to
come and save us.

1023
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,880
So that's that famous Ronald
Reagan quote, which of course is

1024
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,400
hilarious because of how much
bureaucracy Ronald Reagan

1025
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,160
created in his lifetime in Iran
Contra and a massive debt and

1026
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,480
all these kinds of things.
But he said, you know, what,

1027
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,840
what's the thing that you don't
want to hear?

1028
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,200
I'm from the government, I'm
here to help.

1029
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,880
And, and, you know, like, I
mean, we just, we outsource all

1030
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,760
of these functions to the
governments and they do a

1031
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,240
terrible job.
We also have welfare to the

1032
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,720
government.
You know, once Lyndon Johnson's

1033
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,960
war on poverty started, you
know, we used to have these

1034
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,560
things called mutual aid
societies.

1035
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,760
Encourage anybody to go read
this.

1036
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,920
This is absolutely true.
These things called mutual aid

1037
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,680
societies and it's groups of
people that would get together

1038
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,440
on some like common basis and
then they would just help each

1039
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,960
other in, you know, in ways that
were like material.

1040
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,840
And so like, you know, you might
have them along like racial or

1041
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,600
ethnic lines, maybe have like
the Chinese mutual aid society

1042
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,840
in San Francisco or something,
or you might have them along

1043
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,960
religious lines.
You've got the Methodist Mutual

1044
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,360
Aid Society of, you know,
southern Milwaukee and, and you

1045
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,280
got all these little groups of
people that are just trying to

1046
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,320
help other people.
Because we didn't think that it

1047
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,560
was the government's job to do
it.

1048
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,800
And then Lyndon B Johnson starts
this war on poverty.

1049
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,440
And what do you know, poverty,
which had been declining in the

1050
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,320
United States for 200 straight
years, just flat lines.

1051
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,600
And now it's the same as it was
back then in terms of the rate

1052
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,160
of poverty.
You know, we've outsourced all

1053
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:41,400
of these things.
And it's like if we just, like

1054
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,240
you said, if we sort of just
made them irrelevant through a

1055
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,720
process of civil disobedience
and taking our lives into our

1056
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,160
own hands, not like in a
vigilant any kind of a way, but

1057
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,960
just in like, I don't care what
you have to say sort of a way.

1058
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,040
I'm gonna do a better job than
you are 'cause you suck anyway,

1059
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,200
'cause you're the government.
And if we could just, I say that

1060
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,320
like it's so simple.
Just spread the gospel.

1061
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,400
That is probably the antidote,
you know.

1062
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,520
No, it absolutely is the
antidote, right?

1063
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,280
I almost feel a loss of words at
this point.

1064
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,760
Yeah, Because I just feel like
it, it's hopefully this is the

1065
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,400
thing that shakes us from from
our apathy on this, right?

1066
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:32,040
Hopefully this is the last time
we have to see this and to to to

1067
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,000
have to witness something
horrible.

1068
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,320
You know, there, there is one
thing I would I would point out

1069
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,160
here, which is, and I'm, I'm,
I'm, I'm curious your opinion on

1070
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,440
this.
So I guess maybe this is half a

1071
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,520
statement and half a question.
But when it comes to like high

1072
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,960
profile assassinations and
assassination attempts, I don't

1073
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,800
know that there's ever really a
lone wolf.

1074
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,520
You know, people say, oh, well,
what if this is a what if this

1075
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,400
is a lone actor, you know, and,
and he just, he's just some guy

1076
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,320
and he's got a chip on his
shoulder and whatever.

1077
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,000
But is there a soul in America
that believes that Lee Harvey

1078
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,560
Oswald acted by himself?
You know, You know.

1079
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,400
It's, it's a good point.
And I'm going to be honest with

1080
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,400
you, I'm not ready to go quite
there yet just because this is

1081
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,480
all really fresh, right?
And I, I don't want to start

1082
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,400
speculating on anything that I
can't, can't come up with a

1083
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,480
reasonable hypothesis for,
right.

1084
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,480
But I do think what you're
saying speaks to, to something

1085
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,080
else, right?
And that is just the amount of

1086
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,040
distrust we have.
Yep.

1087
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,160
From, from, from our, our
systems, right?

1088
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,760
We look, they, they fostered
that they came by it honestly.

1089
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,760
But nonetheless, it's still
detrimental.

1090
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,640
And so I'm not saying we should
believe a lie, but I think I

1091
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,440
think sometimes we need to set
with things for a minute and let

1092
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,200
them soak in before we we go
there.

1093
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,160
Well, and I certainly have, I
certainly have no like

1094
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,320
conviction that it, you know, I
don't know, it was some state

1095
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:08,480
actor or something, but but in
2025 America, you have to

1096
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,200
wonder, you know, like I mean,
and, and, and the lies have been

1097
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,600
so blatant.
You know, I remember this to

1098
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,880
bring it back to foreign policy.
I think a lot of your older,

1099
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,960
well, not older listeners, but
maybe listeners like in their

1100
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,600
30s and 40s and 50s will
remember this.

1101
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,920
In the in the mid 2000s, we were
still on the hunt for Bin Laden

1102
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,080
and all that stuff.
After 911, they kept like, you

1103
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,040
know, supposedly issuing these
videos of like Bin Laden, you

1104
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,080
know, talking in these caves and
all this kind of, and this

1105
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,160
again, this is not from
www.conspiracy.com.

1106
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,680
This is all, this is all
actually debunked in places

1107
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,800
like, you know, the New York
Times and the Atlantic and

1108
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,560
stuff.
They were playing these videos

1109
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,000
of bin Laden supposedly giving
these speeches about, you know,

1110
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,120
America being the great Satan
and all these things which he

1111
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,560
which he absolutely said.
But supposedly he's he's giving

1112
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,880
these speeches like on the run
and we're just like trying to

1113
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,040
figure out where he's
transmitting from.

1114
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:58,200
And also almost all of them
turned out to be old recycled

1115
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,520
tapes that most Americans hadn't
seen, that weren't even

1116
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,560
doctored.
They were just replayed by the

1117
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,120
news media as look at this new
tape that bin Laden's, you know,

1118
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,200
American PR arm released for us
to play for you, to tell you how

1119
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,920
much he hates you.
And it turned out to be, you

1120
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,240
know, there was one that was in
2004 that was really famous that

1121
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,960
turned out to be from a 1997
speech that he gave to some, you

1122
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,680
know, I don't know, some
jihadist group in Jordan or some

1123
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,240
something like that account.
But like, that is a blatant lie

1124
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,680
from the people that are
supposed to be feeding you the

1125
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,360
truth.
And so I, I, I have absolutely

1126
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,560
no idea for all I know could
have been someone deranged

1127
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,200
psycho with a chip on his
shoulder over who knows what

1128
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,880
kind of sick thing, you know
what I mean?

1129
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:47,840
But having been lied to so many
times by the powers that be in

1130
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,440
the media establishment, if
nothing else, as an American in

1131
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,120
2025, you almost just have to
ask the question like, what

1132
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,560
could be at play here?
And I have no answers for that,

1133
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,080
by the way.
I have spent zero time

1134
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,360
reflecting on that.
It's just like an instinctive

1135
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,040
reaction that I have to an event
like this is could be some nut

1136
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,560
job.
Could there be more?

1137
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,920
I I don't know as of right now
and I've been watching the news

1138
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:12,800
here.
That's why I've been looking

1139
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,920
away a little bit.
There's still no no shooter in

1140
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,720
in custody.
They released the one person of

1141
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,960
interest and so there's there
was a.

1142
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,840
Video that they that they
released they it was like an

1143
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,240
accident.
Somebody was like filming the

1144
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,920
crowd and on the top of one of
the buildings in the distance,

1145
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,920
you could see somebody running
away and then like either going

1146
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,240
down like what like a flight of
stairs or like diving over an

1147
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,720
edge or something.
But essentially they just like

1148
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,720
disappear off the top of the
building and so there was

1149
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,120
someone up there.
Yep, absolutely.

1150
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,720
I I don't think it's
happenstance.

1151
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,920
This happened in Utah in the
reddest county in America.

1152
01:05:54,400 --> 01:06:01,520
Yeah, right.
I think that's and, and I'm not

1153
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,880
going to speculate on that.
I'm going to let everybody else

1154
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,640
kind of figure out what that
means.

1155
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,320
But I don't think that was an
accident.

1156
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,560
And I do think there's some
significance there that we have

1157
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:17,600
to be aware of as Mormons.
I think there's some stuff

1158
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,000
there.
But like I said, I'm not ready

1159
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,160
to broach that yet.
This is all really fresh, but I

1160
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,320
felt like something had to be
said.

1161
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,480
Yeah, I mean, in terms of like
cosmic significance, you could,

1162
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,840
you could kind of like, I mean,
it's just, you know, if, if it's

1163
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:38,280
all if, even if it's all part of
some cosmic plan, a good one or

1164
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,960
a bad one.
The adversaries are gods and I

1165
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,720
guess maybe at the end it's all
part of God's plan because it's

1166
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,320
the plan of salvation.
But it but if it's all part of

1167
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:49,000
the adversary's plan, I mean
there is some kind of like rub

1168
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,720
your nose in the collapse
symbology to a friendly,

1169
01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:00,080
upstanding, kind of moderate
family man being assassinated in

1170
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:06,160
what is probably the most gospel
filled county in America of that

1171
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,880
size.
Yeah, no, it it's true.

1172
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,640
I I couldn't help but think
about that.

1173
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,600
Yeah.
I'm going to say a few more

1174
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,080
things here and then we're going
to have to run here.

1175
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:25,440
Yep, that's but I've held on to
this story for, I don't know,

1176
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:32,440
trying to think back when this
was probably since since late

1177
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:37,160
winter, early spring, I got a
call.

1178
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,720
Gosh, I thought I'd be years
before I shared this.

1179
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,200
I got a call.
It was like I said back in in

1180
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:53,960
late late winter, early spring
from one of my kids and she had

1181
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,080
been through something
absolutely horrific.

1182
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,720
And thank God I have brothers
near me.

1183
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,400
I mean that thank God not not
like in the say it just

1184
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,880
haphazardly, but thank the Lord
Almighty that I had brothers

1185
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,040
around me at that time because 1
jumped in.

1186
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:25,319
We we rode together to go get my
daughter and Adam.

1187
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:32,279
In that moment, I was, I was
only wanting blood.

1188
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,399
All I wanted, I wanted to find
the perpetrator and I wanted to

1189
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:44,080
be done with them.
And I had just released an

1190
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,920
episode about the Oath of
vengeance where I made the point

1191
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:55,120
in that, in that podcast that
praying the oath of vengeance,

1192
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:00,160
which interestingly enough, is
the only covenant that you were

1193
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:05,560
explicitly told to go talk about
outside the temple, that you'll

1194
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,319
teach your kids this.
It's actually a pretty

1195
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:14,240
civilizing doctrine, right?
Because what it says is, is that

1196
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,640
you're not going to be the arm
of justice or the hand of God's

1197
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,880
justice, but that you're going
to pray that God's justice is

1198
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:28,560
done.
And tonight I feel like that is

1199
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:33,800
probably more applicable than in
a lot of other nights after what

1200
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,439
we saw.
Yeah.

1201
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,200
Adam talked earlier about
finding the off ramps on this

1202
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,359
highway of self destruction we
seem to be on.

1203
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,319
If you haven't got off that
highway, now is the time.

1204
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,040
You don't have very many off
ramps after this from here.

1205
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,760
The next stop I think is is
destruction if we don't get it

1206
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,600
together and get it together
quickly.

1207
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,080
I, I would, I would, I would
say, I think people need to

1208
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:09,440
realize they need an off ramp.
So if you are on a team, if you

1209
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:14,400
are on team MAGA or Team Blue
Sky or Team whatever, and you

1210
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,640
don't see teams as a vehicle to
an outcome that is better than

1211
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,040
the one that we have now, but
you are a part of 1 and it's not

1212
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,920
just team God, then you might
need an off ramp.

1213
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,760
You know, and I'm not saying
that like, you know, you

1214
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,360
shouldn't have voted for Donald
Trump or something, right?

1215
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,920
Like I think, I think that teams
can be useful vehicles to the

1216
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,240
achievement of ends, which are
better than the things that we

1217
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,560
have now in the political arena
especially.

1218
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,560
But you can't be beholden to 1.
You can behold, you can be

1219
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,800
beholden only to God.
And if you feel like you're on a

1220
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,320
team, you probably need an off
ramp.

1221
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:59,160
Yep, that off ramp, just just as
Adam said, that's Jesus, right?

1222
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:05,640
That is, get your lives in
order, right?

1223
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,840
And by order, I don't mean just
get your monthly household bills

1224
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,720
in the line.
That would be great too.

1225
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:19,640
But more than any of that, you
have got to plant your feet on

1226
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,760
the rock of revelation and of
the gospel.

1227
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,520
Yep.
Because that's the only thing,

1228
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,640
if you allow, if you wait to
make the decision until the

1229
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,080
decision's in your face, there
is a good possibility you are

1230
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,080
going to choose wrong.
I guarantee you all the people

1231
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,080
that showed up in Washington in
January of 2020, none of them

1232
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,200
have the thought of going into
the capital and doing going

1233
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,120
through there, right?
Look, is that the worst thing

1234
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,400
that could have happened to
America?

1235
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,240
Absolutely not.
But nonetheless, a lot of people

1236
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:58,880
put themselves in a lot of silly
positions to get hammered and a

1237
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,800
little more revelation.
And I think people would have

1238
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,240
shield away from that because
they were egged on, right?

1239
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,760
And I think that in some way,
whether it was planned or

1240
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,960
whether they're just going to
take advantage of a situation

1241
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,080
again, they want you to strike
out.

1242
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,160
And it's going to be so easy to
do.

1243
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,040
I was just on social media all
day off and on looking at stuff.

1244
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,760
And to listen to some of the
vitriolic, quite frankly,

1245
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:36,560
demonic things people were
saying about Kirk's death was

1246
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:43,600
infuriating beyond measure.
But nonetheless, we have to say

1247
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:48,200
peaceful, we have to be better
than what we have been before

1248
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,120
because quite frankly, our kids,
freedom and well-being rest on

1249
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,640
that.
So tonight I think that.

1250
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,600
Oh, go ahead.
No, you first.

1251
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:00,720
I was.
Just saying, I think it's

1252
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,600
important to remember too, that
like, you know, when you find,

1253
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,800
when you find God, when you find
the gospel, when you find

1254
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,840
Christ, you know, Mormonism is
kind of uniquely positioned as

1255
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,200
like the religion of freedom,
right?

1256
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,880
I mean, I mean, you've heard it
a million times from everybody.

1257
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:18,200
We all have our free will to,
you know, make the right and the

1258
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,160
wrong decisions.
And the Lord gives us the

1259
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,400
opportunity to make the right
ones so that they're meaningful

1260
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,280
and we've earned the credit when
we make them.

1261
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,640
And it's in the DNC.
We believe that governments are

1262
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,520
instituted of God for the
security of, you know, for

1263
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,200
securing of liberty and property
and for the free exercise of

1264
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,800
religion.
And I mean, it might as well be

1265
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,960
the Declaration of Independence.
And the whole point is, you

1266
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:46,440
know, freedom is God's way and,
and, but you need God to be able

1267
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:48,240
to operate in a state of
freedom.

1268
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:56,520
And so the political outcomes
here for whoever is on a team

1269
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,720
cannot be less freedom.
It must be.

1270
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,480
Did I freeze?
You did.

1271
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,800
Oh man.
Well, whatever.

1272
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,360
No, go ahead and finish that if
you can.

1273
01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:27,240
Where?
Did I leave off?

1274
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,320
What was the last thing you
heard?

1275
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,400
If we want to live in a state of
freedom.

1276
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,920
Yeah, if we want to live in a
state of freedom, we need God.

1277
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,440
Like that's kind of the problem,
right, Is if you've got freedom,

1278
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,760
but then you have a bunch of
nihilistic, you know, violently

1279
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,680
disposed people, then you have
chaos.

1280
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,120
And so, you know, you got to
find God and you got to find

1281
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,400
Christ and the gospel.
And that's the off ramp.

1282
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,920
But the off ramp means freedom.
That is the proper order of

1283
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,600
political society.
And if you're, you know,

1284
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,240
disposition towards the reaction
of all of this is less freedom,

1285
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:07,000
then you've got it wrong.
You need more God and that will

1286
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,160
mean more freedom for all of us
in the long term.

1287
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:15,760
Absolutely.
As I went back, I I just kind of

1288
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,840
didn't exercise and and look,
I've watched Charlie Kirk videos

1289
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,600
for a few years now and like you
were saying, didn't agree with

1290
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,120
him on everything.
But he made a lot of excellent

1291
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,640
points that deserved
consideration and I honestly

1292
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,520
felt like he was a good example
of how you disagree agreeably.

1293
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,400
Right.
That's the biggest point.

1294
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:44,440
He he disagreed very agreeably
and there were certain videos

1295
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:49,160
where you saw even those he was
arguing against walk away

1296
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:54,880
feeling like gosh, I disagree
with him vehemently, but he's

1297
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,200
not a bad guy.
Yep, right.

1298
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:07,240
And excuse me, his death will
amount to not much unless we

1299
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,720
learn that lesson now.
Yeah.

1300
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:15,640
He had better start figuring out
how to disagree agreeably or we

1301
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,600
don't stand a chance.
Yep.

1302
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,960
And that is where it's at.
How you do that is you get so

1303
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:28,640
familiar with the Savior, you
make him your goal, you make Him

1304
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,840
the center of your life and all
your relationships and all of

1305
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,840
your dealings with man.
And you can get to that point

1306
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,200
that Charlie Kirk was at.
Amen.

1307
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:45,040
But if we do not walk up to that
example that was set for us, it

1308
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,760
will amount to nothing.
Yep, and I for one am not ready

1309
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,320
to go down that road.
So tonight as you gather your

1310
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,080
kids up and you say your
prayers, you read your

1311
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:00,280
scripture, we doubled those
efforts to get closer to the

1312
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,520
Savior because it's just not
yours that's on the line, or

1313
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,600
even your kids for that matter.
In the coming days I fear we're

1314
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,440
going to have to be the people
that say don't go down the dark

1315
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:17,320
Rd., don't go looking for blood,
turn around, come this way, come

1316
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,640
towards the God of light and
life.

1317
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:25,320
Right now I can't think of a
better scripture to quote than

1318
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,600
the one out of the Old
Testament.

1319
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,560
Choose this day.
Life or death.

1320
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:36,040
Those are the choices that are
placed before us right now and

1321
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,200
the natural man.
It's going to feel real good to

1322
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:44,880
strike out, but that way leads
to death.

1323
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:51,200
Being peaceful, loving your
children and your wife and your,

1324
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,040
your chil and your, your, your
neighbors and even those you

1325
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:02,360
disagree with, I think is
becoming more important by the

1326
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,960
minute now.
And we now have to be the people

1327
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,160
that we all coveted and said we
were going to be.

1328
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,960
And I, I just hope we do that.
I hope.

1329
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,400
I hope if there's some good that
comes out of this, it's an

1330
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:25,480
inflection point at which we all
stop for a moment and and

1331
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:28,480
realize that maybe we need to
tone things down just a bit.

1332
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:31,840
And I want to say this, don't
ever sacrifice on your

1333
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,360
principles, right?
Stand your ground on your

1334
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,200
principles.
I'm not saying to become weak in

1335
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,720
those things.
You need to stand for them.

1336
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,520
But I think Gandhi showed us a
lot of things, right?

1337
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,560
And Gandhi talked about he
modeled his movement after the

1338
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:53,080
movement of the New Testament,
which is peaceful, nonviolent

1339
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,280
disobedience.
Yep.

1340
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,760
If we can go down that road, we
win, Yep, But if we get violent,

1341
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,360
we lose.
So that would be my prayer

1342
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:09,680
tonight is find, find the bit of
light in you that you don't

1343
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,200
think you have because it's
there.

1344
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,520
And as a guy who failed at that,
fortunately I didn't do anything

1345
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,480
stupid when I had to go get my
daughter.

1346
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,680
I wanted to real bad.
I understand that.

1347
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:29,600
And I think maybe, I think maybe
today of all days is why I had

1348
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,720
to go through that so I could
talk to you about this with

1349
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:39,120
authenticity.
You want blood, I get it, but

1350
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,800
only more blood and death.
Lead down that road in hell.

1351
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,840
Stay peaceful.
Love more than you.

1352
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,680
You hate.
Gather your family together.

1353
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,320
Hold them tight.
Tonight, say a prayer for

1354
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,840
Charlie's family.
They're going to need it in the

1355
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,520
coming months and weeks.
Pray for our nation.

1356
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,520
Pray for our survival.
Pray that God's will will be

1357
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,840
done in these and leave it in
His name.

1358
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,840
And I leave this with you, in
the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

1359
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,360
Amen.
Adam, anything you want to add

1360
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,160
before you you take off,
brother.

1361
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,920
No, I mean, I think that was a
good way to conclude I'm I'm

1362
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,880
fearful that that blood instinct
in a godless nation is going to

1363
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,080
be more powerful than it ought.
But we will pray that it will

1364
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,000
not.
I'm oddly hopeful at this

1365
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,040
moment.
Hurt, yeah.

1366
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:38,680
Wounded, but oddly hopeful.
I hope this is, I hope this is

1367
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:44,160
the inflection point we need.
I hope, you know, I there was an

1368
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,160
account in the Civil War right
before the Civil War when things

1369
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:53,080
were just about ready to go to
gunshots in America, where a man

1370
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,120
was beaten halfway to death in
the Senate.

1371
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:02,920
Well, by another senator.
I think this is that moment for

1372
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,800
us.
We're going to get to choose

1373
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:12,960
what it is we want to do.
And I think and I hope and I

1374
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,920
pray that we've, we've done the
work necessary.

1375
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,480
So Adam, I love you, brother.
We'll we'll talk again soon.

1376
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,120
Yes Sir.
Love you too man.

1377
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,240
And we will.
We'll talk soon for sure,

1378
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:30,400
hopefully on a subject that is
more, yes, uplifting and happy

1379
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,800
than this.
Yes, absolutely.

1380
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,320
Well, dude, I appreciate you
jumping on.

1381
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,160
I appreciate you offering to
come on.

1382
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,360
I was just planning on doing
them, you know, something solo

1383
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,920
tonight.
But when you said you wanted to

1384
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,000
come on, I'm like, well, yes,
thank you.

1385
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,200
So you were definitely inspired
there.

1386
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,440
Yeah, Hopefully this was
insightful for somebody that

1387
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:52,240
listens to this and it does some
value of some kind.

1388
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,000
That's all I can hope for.
I hope so too.

1389
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,440
All right, dude, hang out for 5
minutes, all right?

1390
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,200
Yeah, man.
All right.

1391
01:21:59,200 --> 01:21:59,880
Bye everybody.

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