Episode #59: The Temple Covenants, What Is The Differences Between The Original Ordinances & What is Practiced Today in LDS Temples & Why it Matters W/Dan Hatch

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About a month ago.
The LDS church announced that

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they had made sweeping changes
to the temple ordinances and

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specifically the endowment with
that in mind.

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I thought now would be a good
time to have a conversation

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about the film.
As I thought about how to do

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this without revealing too much.
I got a little nervous.

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Well lucky for me, I know a
temple.

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President on this episode, I
have on Dan hatch, Dan is the

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temple president for the
righteous branch of the Church

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of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints in a temple where the

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original ordinances are still
practiced to this day.

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So Dan is uniquely qualified to
talk about the temple changes.

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We cover why the ordinance says
shouldn't change.

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What covenants we make in the
temple and what they mean?

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And even get into certain
covenants that used to be made

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in the LDS temple that are no
longer given that.

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I am actually on location for a

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you from the vaults of
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cool.
I'm, I'm here with Dan hatch.

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How you doing man?
I'm doing good good, how's life

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been treating you?
Well, life is what life is Is,

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and it's good and bad and all of
it, I take as best I can.

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Awesome.
So I'm one thanks for talking

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with me about this because this
is something that I have had

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multiple people reach out to me
in about the last month and that

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is temples right?
More specifically the endowment.

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Now, we're just about a month
removed from the LDS church just

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making sweeping changes to the
endowment and that's all Half of

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a hundred years worth of changes
that we've had thus far.

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So you talking to me about this
is huge because this is going to

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answer a lot of people's
questions about what used to be

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there.
Let's not there now within the

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LDS endowment and then also why
and I want to start here.

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Why is it important that those
ordinances should have never

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have changed?
Why is it important that the

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ordinance never change?
Well, I believe in one place

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Joseph Smith, pointed it out.
And he said in the principles of

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the Gospel never change
ordinances instituted in the

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heavens before the foundation of
the world.

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In the priesthood for the
Salvation of men are not to be

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altered or changed.
All must be saved on the same

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principles.
Well, if we're going to be saved

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on the same principles, Then
what my ancestors did in the

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temple, should be the same
things that we're doing in the

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temple, not anything different.
And if they change the wording

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so much and they change the
actual covenants or change the

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process is it really the same
ordinances at all and if not

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then what are we doing?
Yeah I when I first discovered

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all the temple changes when I
was first coming into The

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mentalism, gosh, Gabby 12 15
years ago.

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Now, the thing I remember most
is just how different it seemed

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right from what was original,
right?

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You hear about the, the original
quote uncut version of the

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endowment and it's a six-hour
day, right?

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It's not, you know, pulling up
jumping out, change in your

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whites and you're done in an
hour and a half or two hours.

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This was an all day thing.
And one of the things that got

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me is that they continue to Pare
down, I was like, okay, so in

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doing this, we're not showing a
lot of respect for what we're

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trying to do, right?
We're trying to save our

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ancestors, right?
We're trying to stand on Mount,

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Zion is saviors.
And if we can't devote the

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better part of an afternoon or
an evening to that, I mean,

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what's going on the other?
I'll say is that.

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Joseph Smith also said, where
there's no change in ordinances,

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there's no change increased,
correct?

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And by changing it, and you tell
me if I'm right or wrong on this

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and changing the endowment,
you're basically training God

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into a respecter of persons.
Right?

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Absolutely.
I I remember when, when I left

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the LDS church, I had to have
kind of an exhale as you

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shouldn't.
I had to have the opportunity to

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excited told them to go you
know, talents and whatever.

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But I was like, you know, we'll
go and wall will have a chat.

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And this gentleman I talked to
you he wasn't the state person

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but he was a member of the state
presidency.

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I think first counselor and he
was actually one of the

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higher-ups and Bonneville
communication.

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So he had he had audience with
the top 15.

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Pretty frequently.
And he had told me I would

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because I asked him, I was like
this is a big one for changing.

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This ordinance is huge and he
said, well, here's the thing for

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the first time ever in the LDS
church, we have more single

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people than married people.
And I was like and and he's like

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well some of those covenants
just don't really seem to fit

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with that and I said, so have we
thought about maybe asking the

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question, why aren't people
getting Married.

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Like that would be the first
thing, right?

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We don't change the endowment
because no one can live law

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Chastity, right?
If you can't stop screwing

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around on your wife.
You don't come in right but yet

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we're ready to make all these
concessions and it it made me

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stop and think if the covenants
I took are different in the

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covenants.
My daughter took Are we going to

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end up in the same place?
Make sure wonder doesn't, it

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sure does it and it's spooky.
So I think that pretty well

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answers.
That question on, why it is

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those can't change.
I remember the first day I went

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to the temple.
This was in the Los Angeles

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Temple in 1975 was prior to
going on my LDS mission and the

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temple president.
There, he came into the room to

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talk to a few people.
This was prior to going through

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and getting our Washings.
Annoying as a down payment and

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he looked at me and he said,
Dan, one thing I want you to

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remember is when you go to the
temple, you should be trying to

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learn something new every time
you attend the temple.

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And I took that to heart.
And for the longest time I was

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really working hard at trying to
memorize, or learn something new

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and important than shortly after
a certain amount of time I

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noticed Changes changes that
were in the temple endowment

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things that were being taken
away.

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And it kind of bothered me a
little because I'm thinking, how

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can we learn something new
everyday if they keep taking

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things away from it?
And What importance did the

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things they used to do that,
they're not doing now meant to

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anybody.
And obviously meant something to

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God, especially if it was
revealed to Joseph Smith and

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he's the head of this
dispensation for us.

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And Whose right?
Is it to change it right?

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Especially after, after Joseph
was adamant, do not change these

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things.
These things were revealed from

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God and are not to be changed
the closest thing and I'll play

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devil's advocate here.
Right is people will say well

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gosh you know the the endowment
wasn't complete when Joseph

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died.
Well that's not true, that's the

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argument you get Joseph's charge
to Brigham was not to change

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anything.
Joseph's exact words were

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systematize an organized, right?
Everything was there.

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It just had to be put in its
proper place and that's what

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Brigham did.
And so when people say, well,

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gosh the endowment wasn't
completely finished with Joseph,

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got it?
I would say it wasn't in its

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proper order.
Yeah.

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But all the principles were
there.

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Absolutely.
And and when you change that,

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Actually, I'm a guy who believes
that the waters are always

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purest at their Source, right?
So I always look back to Joseph

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and to Brigham to fact-check
what we're doing today.

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And when I see when I see Temple
changes being made in direct

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opposition to things, Joseph had
said That I think that's cause

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for concern for a lot of red
flags.

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Go up when that happens.
Yeah, at what point you think we

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get to wear?
Because we're told told, you

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know, God's not going to be
mocked.

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How do you think?
Do you think the LDS church is

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cross that threshold?
Yeah, they cross that threshold

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some time ago, I believe.
And what happens is it's

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unfortunate and we just start
whittling away one little piece

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at a time and they LDS church is
conceded to the United States

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government.
And a lot of things.

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As in, you know, if you don't
change, this will take away your

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status as 501, c, 3
organization.

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If you don't allow this to
happen or that to happen, we're

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you know, we're going to take
away that status and take away

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your money.
I mean it even came down in the

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time of Brigham Young when the
members had to denounce living

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Celestial plural, marriage as
one of the ordinances that was

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required.
And the United States government

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was basically saying, if you
don't give that up, We're going

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to come over and take everything
you have and that meant from

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everybody because everybody was
supposed to be consecrated.

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So that was going to be taking
all the houses, homes farm

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lands, Etc of everybody.
So the concession was okay,

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people had to sign a document
back then and say, well I'm I'm

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willing to give this up for
that, you know, God doesn't work

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that way.
He doesn't want.

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The government in our business
and the true government is God's

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government.
And if he says something like

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Ali, that that should be the way
it is, right?

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It's an interesting place that
that I think the LDS church

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finds themselves in today,
because I feel like they've kind

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of painted themselves in the
corner, and I think it was

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probably all do to, to, you
know, wanting to do the right

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thing or, you know, do the best
they can.

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But sometimes when you lay with
dogs, you get fleas, right?

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That was my grandmother's
statement.

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And, and I worry that perhaps
there's been a little too much

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bowing.
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government in some respects
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things like, you know, your
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you're married once or twice,
whatever the case is and

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practicing plural marriage or
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codes because again if God is no
respecter of persons, which the

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scriptures clearly State time
and again and we change the

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ordinances of exaltation.
To fit a certain people in a

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certain time.
We we've turned God into a

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respecter of persons or at least
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respecter of persons and in some
ways I go back to what one

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Catholic Theologian says, what
said, which was all heresy

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begins with a preconceived with
a incorrect notion of who God is

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and we're doing that by.
By doing this game, we're, we're

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like, okay, you know what?
We're not going to do that

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anymore.
It's offending people's,

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modern-day sensibilities.
And we're showing people short,

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that's the other thing, right?
People are going through the LDS

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temple right now and they think
they're getting what it takes to

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reach exaltation rotation, but
if you listen to Joseph, that's

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not the case.
No, it's not.

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And I guess if you're not
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you don't get all the blessings,
right?

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I mean there was the scripture
and DNC 130, 20 and 21.

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And I wish I had my scriptures
would mean probably do.

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Oh, I got it.
It's matter of fact, I could

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probably even bring it up on my
phone and he thought of that.

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Well, you really want me to read
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Print don't, sorry.
This was a favorite scripture to

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a lot of people.
Holy mackerel, I like your

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scriptures, they're all painted.
Yeah, yeah I know I mine tend to

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look like a coloring book.
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there is a lie of revocable e
decreed in heaven before the

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foundations of the world upon
which all blessings are

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predicated and when we obtain
any blessing from God, it is by

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obedience to that law upon which
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And if we're going to obey God's
laws, he has certain covenants

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that he wants us to make.
And if those covenants change

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and we're not living those
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and we're not covered by that
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think that we're going to get
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Absolutely.
That's like getting baptized and

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saying, well, that's all it
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Needed.
I'm baptized member of the

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church.
That's all I need to do and I'll

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make exaltation.
Well, no, there's more than

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baptism and then it's required
that we take upon as men that we

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take upon ourselves.
The priesthood and then we move

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forward from there and that we
take out our endowments and

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those endowments are just kind
of like something that's very

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special for us.
That's what helps us and teaches

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us part of those endowments.
Moments are what they even call

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the mysteries of godliness.
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And so, those are the things
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our father in Heaven.
If we don't learn how to get

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back to our father in Heaven, I
guess we can't get back to our

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father in Heaven.
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why is he, would he accept it,
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Right, because, My understanding
and correct me if I'm wrong

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part.
Just part of those covenants are

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there to help us live a life in
which It prepares us for his his

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glory.
And if we're not living some of

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those covenants that he said,
hey you want to get where I'm

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at, do these things and we'll
make sure that you take a

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covenant in a special place.
And by not doing that it would

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be like taking a medical exam.
When really all you prepared to

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take is an exam and you know
underwater basket weaving you're

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going to be woefully unprepared
and so part of these part of

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these covenants are there so we
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as God is and we're
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If we tell them, it's one thing
and it's not right.

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Well One of the scriptures and
well there's actually a few

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scriptures which it talks about
that we need to learn line upon

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line, precept upon precept here
a little there, a little.

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Well the problem is is in the
LDS church, it seems like and

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maybe I should and I'm not
trying to bash them by any

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means.
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Is that they teach the same line
upon the same line upon the same

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line, the same preset on the
same precept upon the same

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preset.
Here a little and there are no

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more or here a little and take a
little away and take a little

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more away and Whittle it down
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So now that in the LDS church
you're basically going through

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and and having a really wash
down version of the endowment

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that you can learn by because
the symbology that is there the

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things that we can learn why
Participating in something of

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having the fullness and seeing
all the tokens and signs and

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understanding really what the
penalties are.

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Most people don't understanding
the Robes of the Holy priesthood

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when we wear them.
And the problem is, nobody's

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really taught about that either
and we're not learning what we

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should be learning, right?
No, you're right.

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When and Earlier I I took out
the full endowment while when I

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join Christchurch here and Dan
Dan is then was then, and still

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is the temple president.
And like just that little bit.

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You remember that conversation
we had after the endowment was

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over and you explain to ton of
that, you know, with the robe,

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the ceremonial clothing and
everything else.

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It was all stuff that I had
never heard but when you look at

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it you're like oh yeah that
makes Makes sense.

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That's why that's there or
that's why it's on this side or

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that side whatever.
There was a reason behind them

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and that's not hot anymore.
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And again, I don't want to bash
on members of the church or the

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church even, but I just think a
lot of them, just don't know

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any.
No, they don't.

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And that was something that I
realized I enjoyed going through

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the temple many times. when I
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and I kept always wondering what
this meant or what that meant

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but they never provided an
opportunity to ask questions,

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right?
You know, and I couldn't

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understand why they wouldn't so
because that's the place you're

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supposed to discuss.
Well if people really understand

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going to the temple is like
going to a college higher of

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higher education, I mean, where
else do you?

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You go, where you get to wear
robes and a Mitre upon your

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head, you know, isn't that?
Like the form of graduation,

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you're supposed to get up there
but the whole point of the

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temple is to learn to graduate
to the next step and to The Next

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Step.
But what we're doing is we're

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just giving a people a taste of
something, not the knowledge of

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it, right, big difference about
when did Did the LDS church

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start making Temple changes?
I mean, you know how soon was it

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after say, the Utah period
starts at some of those changes

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start to happen.
Well, I remembered going through

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and like I said in 1975 and that
was one of the times that you

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know, they had certain
ordinances that I thought were

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important to have and then
probably one of the first

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changes that they made was
changing the the temple garment

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itself now for years and this
was an interesting story my my

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wife and she remembers and she
shared it with me talking about

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her aunt's and The stuff told
her that when you go through the

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temple, make sure that you can
wear the long garments, the

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temple garments and don't wear
anything else, but that, because

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otherwise, you're not really
having the real garment upon

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you.
And back in those days, they

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were, you'd go through the
temple and they put on

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long-sleeved long leg garments
on you.

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And they tell you, you must wear
these throughout your life.

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Well, afterwards, you get done
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You get will go back and then
they give you what they call

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Street garments, which are
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And now if you look at the way
garments are set up now they're

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even above the knee and and
they're short sleeved.

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And for women, some of them are
practically sleeveless and then

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even for the military, they have
the idea that all you need to do

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is just paste this marks on the
inside of a t-shirt or something

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and that's okay.
And that constitutes a garment

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And I'm like no no that's not
right but back to that story

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with my wife, her aunt told her
said, when you go through the

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temple, make sure you wear the
original garment that they give

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you because anything else other
than that, is not Incorrect.

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And there have been other
prophets of said.

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So now, when did that change
that started changing during the

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time of Heber J, Grant.
When he was the prophet, he

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decided he conceded to the I
believe that wanted to wear them

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more modern styles of dress and
and wear during the that time.

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Wait so Heber.
J Grant changed some stuff.

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Oh yeah, I feel shocked.
Really, no, I bet you don't

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know.
I don't, I think anybody who's

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listening to this podcast
understands a lot of stuff

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changed for the LDS church
during grants Administration,

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and it's just Continued.
So let's talk about that for a

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sec, right?
Because that was some, I didn't

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discover till I was probably
five years into studying

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fundamentalism.
Is it wait a second?

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There was a different garment
and again, we get it to just

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kind of Suit worldly Fashions.
Right?

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We did it too.
So we didn't seem so weird.

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Right?
And and news flash, when the

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Lord says that he wants a
peculiar peculiar people, he

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serious.
Right?

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He's not, he's not messing
around and so we changed.

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We change step when we think
we're doing people a service and

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we're doing them a disservice
because in our changing the

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program that God lays out what
We're trying to Short Circuit as

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planned, right?
Whether well intended or not.

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That's that's what we're doing.
Let me push back on that just a

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little bit.
Let me ask you this question

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because this is something I get
from from some folks.

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When they talk about the Garment
isn't the most important thing.

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Just the symbols on the Garmin
does length, really matter?

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Yeah, link does matter because
Like you were pointing out.

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We're supposed to be a peculiar
people.

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Well, part of that peculiarly.
I love that word.

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You'll your Garrity.
Yeah, between two of us, we

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should be able to get it.
Yeah, maybe is Modesty.

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And by wearing the original
Temple, garment you are in a

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sense pushed to the point of
view will be modest if you're

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wearing that garment.
And what's happened is is

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Modesty is kind of gone out.
Out the window.

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And so, okay just because I draw
stick figures on something,

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doesn't make it.
What it's supposed to be is just

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Signs symbols emblems or
whatever, put on a piece of

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fabric and we call it good.
Right.

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Well let me put it on a
handkerchief and I'll just carry

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that in my pocket.
There's a big difference of

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having something that has all
the emblems on it and having

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something has all the emblems
that is correct and proper.

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And that's what we wear.
I mean otherwise let's just

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carry a handkerchief with all
this symbols on it and carry

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that in our pocket and call it
good.

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Right.
Right.

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No you're 100% correct on that.
When when people start trying to

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excuse certain things, I always
get nervous, right?

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Whatever it is you know, like
always that's not a big deal,

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we're okay.
And then all of a sudden, I'm

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like, are we?
Are we really?

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Because I know that That we
short-circuit ourselves and

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getting to where we were.
So it's in your grant that you

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start seeing the major Temple
changes, right?

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So what goes by the wayside
first.

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Well, one of the big changes, of
course, was garment.

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He was shorten the sleeves so
that women could sit there and

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wear shorter sleeves like
three-quarter sleeves and that

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was kind of a style that started
going and the skirt length for

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women and stuff was such that it
was coming up to about the

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calves and so they Don't wear
those Styles very easily wearing

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their garments.
And so that was a concession

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that was being made by him at
the time.

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I find it interesting during his
time, also that's when he

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started changing some of the
ordinances we have and it wasn't

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until after he messed it up
that, I believe it was David O

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McKay the corrected.
It for the priesthood that when

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00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,500
the priesthood is even to a man
that you confer upon that man

448
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:05,000
the priesthood and then you
ordain him to the office and

449
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,600
President Grant decided, well
we're not going to confer the

450
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,600
priesthood and we're just going
to call him to the office of Do

451
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,200
they really have the priesthood
then?

452
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,000
No.
No they don't.

453
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,700
And so then you have to start at
really asking a question for how

454
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:25,600
many years that went on before
it was corrected and was it

455
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,700
completely corrected all the way
around and how many men were

456
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,400
running around or even running
around today without the

457
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,000
improper priesthood without
having it conferred upon them

458
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,900
first and then ordaining them to
the office.

459
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,200
And There again, that was
something else.

460
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,000
Grant did.
Yeah.

461
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:49,100
And what's interesting and I
studied that and get the the

462
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,400
priesthood conferral.
I call it a crisis because what

463
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,000
you have is you have Heber J
Grant who by his own admission

464
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,100
because he he addressed this, he
said, look, I'm not a doctrinal

465
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,900
scholar.
I don't understand full

466
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:07,500
ramifications for that.
I believe it was Primrose.

467
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,800
I could be wrong.
It was one of those counselors.

468
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,500
He said, when I have a doctrinal
issues, Do I go to brother

469
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:16,100
so-and-so and brother so-and-so
said we need to stop giving you

470
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:19,300
no conferring the priesthood and
just ordained to an office and

471
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:23,600
they did that from like 1921 to
like 1957.

472
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:28,500
It was over 30 years, which is
about and generation of activity

473
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,300
and then they never go back and
try to fix.

474
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:36,200
And so what you have if you
follow what the scripture, say

475
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,300
you have a bunch of guys who
never received the priesthood.

476
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,700
Who's think they have it and
they run around and think

477
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:48,400
they're passing that along.
And there's no way of knowing

478
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:53,300
who really has priesthood who
doesn't and the ramifications

479
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,700
for dadar.
Huge absolutely.

480
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,000
However, even in the LDS church
today they properly, they say

481
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,100
they are conferring the
priesthood and then ordering

482
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,300
them to the office.
However, then if you go into a

483
00:32:08,308 --> 00:32:11,600
ward or something, In from time
to time, you'll see a man doing

484
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,900
that and he'll forget, the
forget to confer the priesthood

485
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,400
and you just sit there and start
scratching your head.

486
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,300
Why are they forgetting these
things?

487
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800
Because they're not doing it
enough to make sure that people

488
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,100
know and understand, right?
How important that really is.

489
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,200
Well and I think even today.
Now we the question has to be

490
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,200
asked who who got the conferral
of the priesthood back in 21?

491
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:43,700
Who was alive to pass it on in
57, right?

492
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:49,000
And how many people actually
have had priesthood confirm?

493
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Because if you don't have the
priesthood, you can't convert on

494
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,600
somebody else.
So you can not even if if you

495
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,600
didn't have to receive it to
begin with and you use the

496
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,900
proper words that still doesn't
make it right.

497
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,900
If you don't have the
priesthood, you can't give it to

498
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,500
some other man, right?
That point, granted that does

499
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,900
come from God.
That should be Revelation given

500
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:16,400
when we do give priesthood and
confer the priesthood on one

501
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,000
another male.
So, yeah, that is something that

502
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,700
I believe is absolutely
important, right?

503
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,200
So, as far as Temple covenants,
what did he change?

504
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,500
What did he change?
Gosh.

505
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:36,300
And not even Grant.
Right?

506
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,900
What right.
What was the first thing that

507
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,300
went away?
So to speak.

508
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:46,800
Oh, let's see.
Yeah, the Garment was greatly

509
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,700
modified shortened to comply
with the Fashions and standards

510
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:58,000
set by the world.
First is changed to a street

511
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,100
garment and then became the
sport garment worn by the LDS

512
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:05,500
today, which I think, okay,
fine.

513
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,800
If you have really pay attention
to them, those garments kept

514
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,199
getting shorter and shorter.
I remember when I was a member

515
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,900
of the LDS church back in the
70s and I worked in the coal

516
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:23,600
mines, and was able to find long
sleeve or actually long sleeve

517
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:31,400
and long-legged garments. and
they were basically, your winter

518
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,000
garments, right?
And we were those when I was in

519
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,100
the coal mines, and that was
probably the closest thing to

520
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:42,300
getting back to the original
garment that you could it back

521
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,199
at that time.
But now, you can't even hardly

522
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,600
find, and I don't even think you
can find today.

523
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,300
Any long-legged garments, they
stopped making those.

524
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,500
And now, you know, you have to
piece garments and you have

525
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:04,600
everything else that's been lost
as to what the Garment used to

526
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:13,100
explain and tell you, yeah,
yeah, I think, I think the first

527
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:17,600
massive change, And I'm just
going to list them out here.

528
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,800
These okay, some of the ones
that I if memory serves

529
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,900
correctly.
So you have the lecture at the

530
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,700
veil go away, And we'll dive
into that later.

531
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,400
Then you had the penalties that
went away.

532
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,900
Oh, well oath of Vengeance,
excuse me.

533
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:37,700
Oh, here's one for you today.
Heber Grant also rewrites the

534
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:43,400
women's oath of obedience that
was something that was taken

535
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,900
out.
And that was in 1922 after 1921

536
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,200
when he decides.
Well, I hear I'm going to sit

537
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,900
there and and make the garments
shorter and everything for the

538
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:58,500
women.
And then he writes It's also

539
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:05,500
rewrite, see, oath of obedience
and that's one of the major

540
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:10,500
oath.
Not saying that a woman should

541
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:14,000
be completely subservient to her
husband, she should be a

542
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,400
helpmeet.
She should be something much

543
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,900
more than just obedient to her
husband before before we go down

544
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,100
that road without without going
deep into verbiage, let's

545
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:32,500
explain the the oath of
obedience, okay?

546
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,400
It's my understanding that, it
was a man promised to be

547
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,600
obedient to God, correct?
And then his wife then

548
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,000
covenanted to follow his need,
to be obedient to her husband's

549
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,700
cancer corrector and correct.
That is correct.

550
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,500
Okay, I mean, she, if you follow
how history went and if that

551
00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:01,900
woman is supposed to be his
Queen and everything in a

552
00:37:01,908 --> 00:37:06,900
priestess, Is that kind of also
implies that she is up there

553
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:12,800
with him in rank and honor and
glory and everything else, but

554
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:17,200
you always followed lead to the
king, so to speak.

555
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,100
But a man is a king was a vassal
King.

556
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:25,700
Just like, we are supposed to be
vassal Kings unto our father in

557
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:34,000
Heaven, he's a Souza rankine.
And you notice how kingdoms and

558
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,400
Kane ships worked even in the
Book of Mormon and stuff, where

559
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,400
you had the lamanites and they
had lemonade Kings, and then

560
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,400
usually the junior canes were
their sons, you know, and had

561
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,300
different tribes spread out, but
they'd always have to come back.

562
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:59,400
Now, for the women, as a queen
or to her husband is to follow.

563
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,700
Is lead and righteousness and if
he's not righteous, no woman

564
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:07,500
should have to follow a man.
Right there was a caveat placed

565
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,900
on that absolutely.
Just like there was when in

566
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,700
spacing on the section I think
it's 121 again.

567
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,100
Where the Lord says you can only
maintain the priesthood by on

568
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:23,000
principles of long-suffering
patience and love and anybody

569
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,300
who tries to exercise the
priesthood outside of those

570
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,900
bounds will, Amen to his
priesthood mean Meaning, he's

571
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,000
got no power, he may have
authority, but he's got no power

572
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:38,000
and and it's kind of the same
caveat there, right?

573
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Is that in that Covenant?
It's pretty clear.

574
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:46,900
If your husband's being Wicked,
you don't have to join in the

575
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:50,300
wickedness with it, my right or
wrong in that?

576
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,900
No, no, you are absolutely
correct in all of that.

577
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,900
And I mean, it's interesting.
We're supposed to be you're the

578
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:04,400
Lord of our families and we're
supposed to guide them and lead

579
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,600
them just like a good righteous
King as to lead his kingdom

580
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,800
properly and righteously like
mosiah was a good King and

581
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:20,800
giving examples, you know to his
people while you start with the

582
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,100
example, to your wife in the
example to your children and

583
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,300
when you're not in your
exercising, what's called

584
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:32,800
priestcraft That means your
lording over them to a point of

585
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,500
putting the thumb on them and
holding them back and holding

586
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:38,900
them down and belittling or
whatever.

587
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,400
That's incorrect.
That's a bad principal, right?

588
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,000
If you're doing that and that's
called priestcraft.

589
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,500
So how did they change that as
you were about to get to them?

590
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:56,600
I believe, I don't know.
I really wasn't there when Grant

591
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,100
rewrote the women's oath of
obedience You them.

592
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:05,300
So to be honest, that would only
be speculation based off of some

593
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:09,200
of the reading that I've done.
And and some of the information

594
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:15,500
that's come over the years.
But I mean today, they don't

595
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:20,100
make any promise to their
husbands or anything.

596
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,200
It's just, oh, I'm here.
I am.

597
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,200
And I do the same thing that my
husband does, right?

598
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,000
And that went away, 2018 or
20:19 because I was still a

599
00:40:31,008 --> 00:40:34,700
member of the LDS church when
that went away and that bugged

600
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:39,300
me deeply not because I'm a
chauvinist, not because I feel

601
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:43,200
like I need to be in charge, but
because this was the structure

602
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,400
of the king of the kingdom of
God, right?

603
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,600
This was the structure upon
which families were meant to

604
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:56,000
operate and the basic unit of
any society is that bad.

605
00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,500
And so if you're going to start
redefining that, then you're

606
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,500
going to redefine the Society of
God solution, or at least you're

607
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:08,000
going to try really hard.
And that's what bugged me was

608
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200
this idea of.
Okay, so now we're toying with

609
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,900
God's government the way he
governs every I believe one of

610
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:22,000
the big things are changes even
that I always thought was

611
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,300
important and then taught us a
great principle of file.

612
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:30,900
Your ship and a lot of LDS,
people don't quite understand

613
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,600
that, but in the temple, it
gives you a good understanding

614
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,600
and knowledge of how file
leadership really works.

615
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Because if you really look at
it, when you're talking about

616
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:48,200
Elohim Jehovah and Michael, that
was grandfather.

617
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:54,500
God, that was father God, that
was Sun God and they were all in

618
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,400
the same line of priesthood.
And as in Father you know

619
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,500
grandfather to father to son
passed down.

620
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,300
Now if you noticed how when that
goes on you always had that one

621
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:12,900
thing go down.
Do this, take care of that and

622
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:18,400
then return and Report.
So then they returned and report

623
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,400
and how often do we do that?
How often do we tell our

624
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,900
children go out and mow the lawn
and if you don't check on it it

625
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,900
may not get done.
However if your son came in and

626
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:37,300
said hey Dad I just mowed the
lawn he returned and report to

627
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:42,000
you saying I got the job done.
Yeah, and let's talk about that

628
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,500
because I know some of that has
1/2 way out of the LDS ceremony

629
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,400
that is so important because if
we would just pattern our lives

630
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,600
and our families, just just take
that one little piece.

631
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:58,200
How many more teaching
opportunities would you have?

632
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:04,900
As a father to a son or to a dog
or a mother to her daughter's or

633
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:07,200
mothers two sons, right.
Go do this.

634
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:10,800
Come back.
Let me know how it went right.

635
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Absolutely.
Because then you have the option

636
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,600
to be like, okay, how'd it go?
And some would say well this

637
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,400
this and this and this oh, I'll
tell you why that didn't go so

638
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,700
smoothly.
Let's try it like this now and

639
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:25,400
let me tell you why in this is
based off of experience and it

640
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,700
creates those teaching
opportunities and Getting rid of

641
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:31,400
that, you get rid of that
pattern.

642
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:36,600
People don't know about it.
And you're missing out on

643
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,400
opportunities to teach your
children well and then we're

644
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:44,400
missing out on opportunities to
learn and to understand, that's

645
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,800
one of those Concepts than now
is going to be forever lost and

646
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,100
forgotten, right?
Because they'll go well, that

647
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:54,900
just doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.

648
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,800
It doesn't really exactly.
You know I haven't Lee father

649
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:05,000
expect certain things from us
but if we don't know what what

650
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:08,600
He expects of us.
How can we sit there and do

651
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,100
anything properly for him?
Right, right.

652
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,500
No 100%.
All right.

653
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,300
So they changed.
They change.

654
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,000
The law will be Dean's.
What was the next big change?

655
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:27,500
well, when we were talking about
obedience and stuff, and we're

656
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:34,400
mention that about the wives but
you had the law of obedience and

657
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:42,200
sacrifice, which Those two are
extremely important, you have to

658
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,100
have both of them together.
Those are things that we need to

659
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:53,400
learn and I and I don't know.
Exactly the wording that they

660
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,200
use in the LDS temple, nowadays
or not.

661
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:03,800
But To learn and understand how
obedience and sacrifice works.

662
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,200
And our lives is extremely
important.

663
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:12,600
So, obedience and sacrifice.
You know, we learn that from the

664
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,400
scriptures, you know, Adam did,
what God asked him to do.

665
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:23,000
And in other places, we learned
that Adam did things, he didn't

666
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,400
understand.
What is that?

667
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:29,000
That's obedience.
Okay.

668
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,200
Well sacrifice was giving up of
the first fruits of the field

669
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,700
and the firstlings of the flock
and that was sacrifice and that

670
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:42,200
was something important because
when you sacrifice your lands or

671
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,600
you're sacrificing a bowl, I
mean these are major sacrifices,

672
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,400
but like the scriptures say
that.

673
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Obedience is better than the
sacrifices of lands.

674
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:04,300
So what does that really mean?
Be obedient and sacrifice both,

675
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,100
but if you're not being
obedient, it doesn't matter how

676
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,800
much sacrificing you're doing
right, you all?

677
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Okay.
Well, here's a hundred bucks.

678
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,600
There's a sacrifice.
Was it a sacrifice for a

679
00:46:18,607 --> 00:46:20,500
millionaire?
100 bucks?

680
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:25,700
A nothing.
Right, I guess to, I guess we

681
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:29,700
can look at that to in any more
spiritual senses.

682
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,300
Well, write, it would be like
saying you have a contrite heart

683
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:37,000
or broken heart and a contrite
spirit, but yet you continue to

684
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,700
do the same for app, right?
And you're, you're just, are you

685
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:44,100
really broken heart?
You really have a contrite

686
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,500
spirit.
So so I would think you would be

687
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,000
motivated to at least put forth
some effort to try to fix it.

688
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:55,800
Well, you can always see that
the true changes of a broken

689
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,700
heart and a contrite spirit in
people because they change.

690
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,100
Yeah, they change for the
better.

691
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,900
They change for the good, you
know, it's kind of like

692
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,500
repenting or even the word
repentance.

693
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000
I find interesting if people got
rid of the idea of the stigma

694
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,400
that's put behind repentance,
because that means all you

695
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,700
committed, grave sins, or this
data together.

696
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,800
Nothing, Necessarily we can
repent of little things.

697
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,700
However, all repentance really
means is to return to God,

698
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:32,200
right?
You know, when we mess up, if

699
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,300
we're repentant, that means
we're returning back to God.

700
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,800
We're returning to what he wants
us to be, and what we're

701
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,700
supposed to be like him, right?
The other thing.

702
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,300
Is that because I don't want to
seem too harsh are right.

703
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:53,400
I don't want to seem more harsh
than what my heavenly father is.

704
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:57,200
Because certainly there's been
times when I've had to overcome

705
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,600
sin and error and all those
things and I screwed up again.

706
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,200
Right?
I screwed up once or twice or

707
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,100
whatever.
I'm not saying that you get one

708
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,500
shot at repentance and if you
messed it up, then you're not

709
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:18,100
truly repent.
What I would say is that Not not

710
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:22,100
taking it like understanding
you've screwed up and you can

711
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:26,700
tell someone who's truly sorry
versus someone who's sorry that

712
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:30,700
they got caught right.
Actually and so oftentimes I

713
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:35,900
think we get those two things
conflated So that's obedience

714
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,100
and sacrifice.
It's basically saying I'm going

715
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:44,900
to do, as you say now, it was my
old understanding as well as

716
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:49,100
that part of the sacrifice part
of obedience and sacrifice was

717
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:52,600
that the Lord was going to
provide the ultimate sacrifice

718
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,800
in some point, right?
And so this idea of your going

719
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,000
to be obedient you are going to
mess up.

720
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,700
So we're going to have
sacrifice.

721
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:04,900
Christ's atonement.
That was going to make up the

722
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,900
difference.
Is that a correct understanding

723
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:09,900
of that?
Yeah, that is correct.

724
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:15,500
Okay?
And they'ring lies, something

725
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:20,800
that a lot of people miss and
miss understand in the endowment

726
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,500
when you realize that Elohim
Jehovah and Michael were all

727
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:33,700
Christ's for there's particular
planets or worlds that they had

728
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:38,600
and it's an order of Christ and
you look at that in, it helps

729
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,100
teach you something to get ready
for.

730
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:45,700
And to prepare for not that we
will ever become Christ

731
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,600
ourselves.
I'll never be perfect and, you

732
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,800
know, eventually I'll move along
and become more perfected, but

733
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:59,600
doubtful that I'll ever be as
great as my Lord and Savior

734
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,900
Jesus Christ.
And what people don't understand

735
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:08,900
why, that's Jesus Christ, the
son of Michael Christ, right?

736
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:16,300
And then Jehovah, Was Jehovah
Christ and Elohim just basically

737
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,300
means the head of the Gods.
And who was that?

738
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:25,000
You know, I don't have all those
answers yet, but we learn things

739
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,700
line, upon line, precept, upon
precept, and I felt blessed in

740
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,500
becoming a member of the branch
by learning so much more.

741
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,900
There's so much richness and
depth into what the true.

742
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,100
Temple ordinances, like, and
what we learn.

743
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,100
Now, like you said, I'm not
going to divulge things that are

744
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:51,400
sacred and secret.
I mean, do we do things in

745
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,500
there?
Absolutely.

746
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,300
And if those that ever become
members of the branch and stuff,

747
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:02,500
my wife, and I, we teach Temple
classes that prepare you to go.

748
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,700
And so you'll know what to
expect and there is no

749
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:10,800
surprises.
And we allow people The

750
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,300
opportunity to learn and to grow
step by step.

751
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,900
Well, you need to be prepared
before you go to the temple.

752
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,800
How many times like when you
went to the LDS temple, that was

753
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,200
probably a little shock for you
because they didn't give you any

754
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,000
idea what they were going to do.
Hi.

755
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,100
Yeah.
I could see how that could be

756
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,500
for people.
I was in auditing, right.

757
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:35,200
In the sense that I asked enough
probing questions while even

758
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,000
coming into the LDS temple.
But a lot of this, I got but if

759
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,400
I don't win in cold, right?
If I'd taken the class because I

760
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,900
had to take the temple prep
class, and they don't tell you

761
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:48,500
about anything, and then all of
a sudden you're in here and

762
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:51,000
you're like, I just joined a
cult.

763
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:54,800
That's the first thing you would
think, right?

764
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,300
Yep.
I just I just joined right

765
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,100
without explanation behind some
of this.

766
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:03,600
Oh, I could totally see how
people get freaked out.

767
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:09,400
And when it's so sad to me, when
I hear people say, because

768
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,800
that's a big thing out, Coming
from kind of the post post

769
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,100
Mormon crowd, is it?
Oh, I had a horrible experience

770
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,900
in the temple.
Well, I get that.

771
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,400
But let's, let's narrow down.
Why it was horrible?

772
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,700
Right?
Would, it feel Cold T so to

773
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:32,600
speak if you weren't prepared
100% 100%, but once you have

774
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,400
those principles, explain to
you.

775
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:39,500
Then then things begin to make
sense, right?

776
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:44,800
And and things begin to click.
So when I hear of someone who

777
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,500
said, you know, my temple and
there's a ton of them who say,

778
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,700
you know, I went once and I was
like, never again, never again.

779
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,400
It's sad because I'm like, they
just weren't prepared.

780
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,900
No, they weren't, right?
And that's part of it.

781
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:04,600
You have got to be prepared
going into this, you have to

782
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,000
have somebody who's wiser than
you would.

783
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,800
That moment to say, here's some
of the things that you're going

784
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
to, you know, you're going to
learn about, right?

785
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:17,100
And hey, don't be wigged out.
What you're going to see

786
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:21,700
ceremonial clothing and this is
kind of Covenant making process,

787
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:23,700
right?
All that kind of gets it.

788
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,600
Explain a little bit and it's
not so spooky anymore, right?

789
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,900
It's not so culty looking for
lack of a better term.

790
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,700
I'm not sure if cult, these are
real-world word but we just made

791
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:41,100
it one.
So yeah, I remember when I went

792
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:46,400
through and and I don't think I
was as shocked as some people

793
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,500
feel, they were shocked when
they went through because I was

794
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,100
there to actually learn because
I'm thinking all of this means

795
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:58,500
something, and what does it all
mean?

796
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,100
And when you see the symbology
of it, and now they're taking

797
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:12,600
away all the symbology of it and
Now, you don't get the whole the

798
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,700
whole instruction.
You don't get the whole feeling.

799
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,300
You don't get the big picture.
You don't see the full puzzle,

800
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,000
you don't get it.
All right, you just get a little

801
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,600
fraction of it.
You go.

802
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:27,100
Okay.
Well that's what I'm supposed to

803
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:28,600
accept.
That's what I'm supposed to

804
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,900
learn from it.
Well, yeah.

805
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:36,000
And because and see this is
where, where I feel like this

806
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,400
conversation is sorely.
We needed within Norms both from

807
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,100
a fundamentalist perspective and
an LDS perspective is because

808
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:51,400
we've had to skirt this line of
not revealing too much. but in

809
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,700
process of doing that, we've
left people to be susceptible to

810
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:02,600
not know what, they don't know,
right?

811
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:09,200
If you've never been to an
original endowment, what was

812
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,200
given from the Lord to Joseph,
and you've never experienced

813
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,700
that and you go to a LDS temple,
or a temple, a place where the

814
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:21,000
temple ordinances have been
changed.

815
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:24,700
And that's all you know, how
would you know something?

816
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:28,000
Yeah, you wouldn't.
You wouldn't write.

817
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,100
And so it's hard for me to find
fault with folks who all the

818
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,200
sudden have their minds blown
because they're like, well,

819
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,400
nobody told me about that,
right?

820
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,000
What what is that and is that
really necessary?

821
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,300
I don't blame them for having
their minds, right?

822
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:46,700
I mean, I remember when I first
read about the old endowment as

823
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:50,700
like, oh, oh oh, that we were
supposed to be doing that.

824
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:58,700
Yeah, right and so it is a bit.
It is a bit of a disadvantage

825
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:01,900
because you can't reveal too
much, but yet, if you're going

826
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:06,200
to sound an alarm Bell, you have
to raise enough questions to

827
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,500
have people start looking back
and go, oh, something's wrong

828
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,200
here.
So it's a fine line.

829
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,200
We have to skirt.
But so we have obedience and

830
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,100
sacrifice.
What comes next?

831
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:23,800
What's the next Kevin Bacon?
Gosh.

832
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,700
Hold on.
No, you're good.

833
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:28,200
You're good.
I'm just going to make a note

834
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,300
and I'll edit this out.
Okay, you just find him.

835
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,400
I'm dragging my blanks right
here.

836
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Good, what's the Wi-Fi password
Here, good question, call in.

837
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,400
And I can probably find out that
way I can jump on and you know

838
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,100
what, why you're calling and I'm
going to stop this Injustice.

839
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:55,700
All right, so real quick.
We've kind of covered the law of

840
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,800
obedience and sacrificing the
explain why that was important

841
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,200
and how it's changed.
I think it's worth mentioning

842
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,300
that that hasn't changed in
Christchurch.

843
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:08,100
It's still the original Covenant
that was given from Joseph and

844
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:11,700
then organized by Brigham and
it's carried forth to this time.

845
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:15,800
So we talked about how important
it is a why it's there.

846
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,600
Let's move on to the law of the
Gospel.

847
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,900
Can you explain just maybe, you
know, again, without getting too

848
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:25,700
sensitive or in places we
should?

849
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,800
What is the law of the Gospel
exact?

850
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:31,000
Well, I think there's there
again, it's something that you

851
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,100
have to take inside of you.
As in a compilation of

852
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,200
everything that consists of the
Gospel, the law of the Gospel,

853
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,200
the gospel of the Old Testament,
Gospel of the New Testament,

854
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,100
gospels, or the things that We
have in the Doctrine and

855
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:55,700
Covenants, pearl of great price,
things like that, those are all

856
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:59,300
laws and things that we learn
about.

857
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:03,600
I mean, you learn in the from
the Old Testament that there

858
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,500
were certain laws and eye for an
eye and a tooth for a tooth.

859
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:12,600
But when you learn the higher
laws, It is turning the other

860
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,700
cheek, you know, if somebody
wants something from me, give me

861
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:23,400
your cloak as well.
You, you learn to give and such.

862
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,200
Now, those are parts of the
Gospel.

863
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,400
If you think about it, when
Moses left with his people and

864
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,900
stuff, And he tried and Moses
tried to get the people to learn

865
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:41,900
to talk to God.
Well they didn't want to, so

866
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:44,900
they were given a lesser law,
right?

867
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:49,700
Well, lesser laws mean you get
lesser blessings Lester.

868
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,200
Things provided for you, you
live the higher laws, you get

869
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:01,100
the higher blessings and that's
kind of really how it helps you

870
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:02,700
to learn.
Why the while we're going

871
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:06,100
through the temple, I think of
it is.

872
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:14,700
The LDS church and we as the
branch, we try to live all the

873
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:24,400
laws, the laws of sacrifice, of
course, and obedience, but the,

874
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:31,400
the law of of consecration.
But in the gospel, you also have

875
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,700
in the Doctrine and Covenants
section, 132, and lot of People

876
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:39,500
just want to talk about that as
well that just talks about

877
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,200
marriage, it's little more than
that.

878
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,900
Because if you read the preface
to the whole thing, it tells you

879
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:48,100
exactly what it's talking about,
right?

880
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:52,200
I'm plural marriage.
But boy, that's a forbidden

881
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,700
word, isn't it?
I'm surprised.

882
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:57,400
They haven't gotten that
completely thrown it out of the

883
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,900
Doctrine and Covenants, you
know, it's funny.

884
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:04,100
You should bring that up.
Jacob, perjury and I just had an

885
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:06,400
episode.
I haven't published it yet, but

886
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,900
But we talked about that, that
if you go back and you look at

887
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:13,100
historical records, when they
were talking about the new and

888
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,000
Everlasting Covenant of
marriage, they weren't talking

889
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,100
about just being seen, right?
It was synonymous with this idea

890
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:24,700
of plural marriage and and if
that's the case, if that's how

891
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:28,400
it was revealed and then you
take covenants that you're going

892
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,800
to adhere to the new and
Everlasting Covenant of

893
01:00:30,808 --> 01:00:33,800
marriage.
Oh yes.

894
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,200
Now you've taken a covenant.
You don't even know what it

895
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,800
means.
Yeah, you don't know what you're

896
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,900
promising to do.
So I like what you said there

897
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,800
about the law of the Gospel as
well as that it's encompassing.

898
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,900
Right.
It's not because I think modern

899
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:50,900
Christendom has this idea that
well, that was the Old

900
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:53,000
Testament.
That was the Old Law, and

901
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,500
there's nothing there that
really applies to us.

902
01:00:55,500 --> 01:01:00,700
Now, And we just focus now just
on the New Testament, right?

903
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,600
And not that focusing on the New
Testament is a bad thing.

904
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:08,200
But if you're neglecting one
whole part of the law, well,

905
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:14,100
You're you're not understanding
what it is God's trying to

906
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:18,500
teach.
And I remember the first time I

907
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,000
remember hearing in the temple,
about the law of the gospel.

908
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,600
And I remember I went home and
I'm like, oh I guess start

909
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,500
reading a lot more.
I better start understanding

910
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:32,800
this because I just made a
covenant to that was going to

911
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,900
live the gospel.
And I think I think that that

912
01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:42,700
law within the And that Covenant
within the temple is so unique.

913
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:46,100
Because there I think the word
is saying because I don't think

914
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:50,000
he expects us to be perfectly
burst in all the scriptures and

915
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,300
all the laws before we go into
the temple.

916
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,300
So I think sometimes I feel like
this one's unique because he's

917
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,300
like, don't forget to read these
scriptures, right?

918
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:01,400
Or going to need them, right?
And so it's almost one of those

919
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,300
things.
Like yes, we're making a

920
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,000
covenant that we're going to
live all this.

921
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:08,200
But with the understanding of
you better go do some more

922
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,000
reading than man or young woman
because you got a lot more you

923
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,900
need to understand.
Absolutely love the gospel.

924
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:21,800
Like I said it's
all-encompassing if we don't

925
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,600
have a good grasp of our
understanding of it, you know,

926
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:29,300
what are we really learning?
What we learn the idea of how we

927
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:31,800
have to repent, right?
Right.

928
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,700
Is that it?
Or is there more?

929
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:36,200
There's way more.
Yeah.

930
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:41,600
Well you got baptism and then
it's sad but then there's also

931
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,700
re-baptism because we all make
mistakes.

932
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:49,500
Yes don't we.
And if you think you don't think

933
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:53,200
again, right?
Like at the moment you think

934
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,000
you're not messing up, you have
to re-evaluate because if you're

935
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,700
done messing up, God's like come
on home.

936
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:00,600
Yeah, come on home.
You're good.

937
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,600
Come on home, right?
So you're still here.

938
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,600
Still in this Mortal sphere.
You got some stuff.

939
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,300
You gotta learn.
And that usually means repenting

940
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:14,400
as well, let me ask you this and
I'm going to ask this gentleman

941
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,500
at this crosses, a line.
You tell me.

942
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:20,700
And then I'll make sure this
gets edited out is not the law

943
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:24,900
of the Gospel.
One of those things where we say

944
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:27,200
we won't do certain types of
laughter.

945
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:32,900
Yeah, that was recently gotten
rid of two in this last batch

946
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:35,600
template change.
Seriously, they got rid of the

947
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:41,400
part about lack now for those
and I'm trying to be sensitive

948
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,700
here and correct me if I'm wrong
on the stand because you're a

949
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:47,500
temple present you know a lot
you know more about you probably

950
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:54,200
forgotten more about this stuff
than I'll ever learn. but, That

951
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,400
Covenant doesn't say, you can't
laugh.

952
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,900
No, it just says to avoid
anything.

953
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:03,400
That's somewhat poster asst.
Maybe that's a good way of

954
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,500
putting it.
Well, I would or not even boast

955
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:09,700
whistling on my own.
I would think of making light of

956
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,800
sacred things.
Absolutely.

957
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,500
I am, I off base for assuming
that, that's what that part of.

958
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:20,300
The Covenant means is don't take
things that are sacred and turn

959
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,900
them into a joke, right?
Don't turn them into it.

960
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,500
Saline.
Is that an unfair or inaccurate?

961
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:28,600
Way of looking at that?
That would be a good way of

962
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,800
looking at it, but you think
about when you're talking about

963
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:38,000
laughter, I think we can, we can
giggle a little we can, we can

964
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,700
smile.
We can understand because I

965
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:45,400
honestly believe that our father
in Heaven, has a sense of humor.

966
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,800
I know he does.
He want to know how I know.

967
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,600
Yeah, he created me.
No, no, the Platypus.

968
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,300
The Platypus.
Oops, there's an animal with a

969
01:04:54,308 --> 01:04:55,600
duck bill.
Yep.

970
01:04:56,100 --> 01:05:01,400
Lays eggs has a part pouch like
a marsupial, a beaver tail and a

971
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,800
poisonous spur.
I mean if that's not hilarious

972
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,800
and I don't know what it is.
I mean, it's almost like God

973
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:12,600
basically making fun of anybody
who's forever Evolution.

974
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:15,000
I mean, I don't know how I don't
even know how you explain that

975
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,400
in but yeah.
No I agree.

976
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,800
He's got a sense.
That.

977
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,000
Yeah, he does, he does.
I know he does and, and the best

978
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,300
way to see some of his humor as
if all you have to do, is look

979
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:31,300
at people's lives and see the
ironies that happen in their

980
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:34,300
lives.
Yeah, you know, the person says,

981
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:37,500
oh, I would never do that.
Be careful avoid that person

982
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:40,100
because that's going to be the
person that's going to end up

983
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:43,000
doing it.
You'd I've got one, I've got

984
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,600
one.
That's, that's right up.

985
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,900
Your alley did, and I apologize
because I know you're originally

986
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:51,700
from California.
But around during the pandemic

987
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:58,400
and Utah, we had a flood of
Californians movement and like

988
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:01,400
the roads were always horrible.
Now there's always at least one

989
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,100
accident and I'm like keep it
I'm actually keeping track of

990
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:05,600
like how many of them have
California?

991
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,000
License plates right there in
the action.

992
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,000
As I passed by and and I'm not
saying Utah, drivers are great

993
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,700
either.
I'm not saying that one bit

994
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,900
anyway.
So I was constantly like

995
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:21,400
California's here.
Right, where did I marry my

996
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,000
wife?
You know, my wife the one.

997
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,800
I just married.
I imported her California.

998
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:30,400
So not just California.
Los Angeles, right?

999
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,500
So it was like, God was like, oh
oh, you think watch this young

1000
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:36,500
man?
Yeah, no kidding.

1001
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:41,300
So yeah, I don't know, I think
that part about laughter is

1002
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,300
treats each sacred things.
Don't don't make a punch line.

1003
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,900
Out of sacred things.
Yeah and I would dare say it

1004
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,600
probably goes into to
understanding there's a time

1005
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,400
where hey you're cutting it up
with the fellas or whatever but

1006
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,600
then there's a time where you
got to focus in, right.

1007
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,800
And if your if your disposition
is to always be in that that

1008
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,400
mode of cracking a joke that
doesn't lend itself to a lot of

1009
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:10,300
self-reflection.
Is that a good way of looking at

1010
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:11,900
it?
Yeah, I think so.

1011
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:16,900
Another portion of that is we
talked about the After, and then

1012
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:21,700
speaking evil of someone right
think about that and who does it

1013
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:27,100
specifically point out in that?
The Lord's anointed.

1014
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:31,400
Yeah.
So if we're back biting or we're

1015
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:38,500
talking badly or poorly of
somebody stop and think how do

1016
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:43,300
you know or you don't know if
they are one of the Lord's

1017
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:46,800
anointed?
Yes I think I think to some

1018
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,200
extent career and again I'm
willing to be wrong here.

1019
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:52,200
I think we're all on.
We did it some love right.

1020
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,500
We all have some mission to
well, absolutely, but it's just

1021
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,300
really think about it.
Those that have gone through the

1022
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:01,600
temple and taken out their
endowments.

1023
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:06,200
Isn't that what they are?
Absolutely Joseph Smith.

1024
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:12,800
Says yeah so I mean we need to
be careful of what we say about

1025
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,500
whom and whom we say it about
etcetera.

1026
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:19,200
It's just okay.
That means we need to take the

1027
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,300
time to reflect upon it and say,
okay.

1028
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,000
Before I start talking bad about
a person.

1029
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:33,500
Who are they really well?
First off there, a son of God.

1030
01:08:35,700 --> 01:08:40,100
And that means they're my
brother and my talking about

1031
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:45,800
about my brother you know now
given the other end of that.

1032
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,600
Yeah.
See he's my brother too but he

1033
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,700
is an anointed, he's a bad guy.
He got kicked out, he'll never

1034
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:58,399
have that will never have that
blessing stuff that comes with

1035
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:03,200
it and so, therefore Not that.
I I don't spend a lot of time.

1036
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaking evil of him, I don't
need to everyone knows.

1037
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,000
He's a bad guy, right?
You know, that's kind of clear

1038
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,399
and to the point but just
because somebody messes up makes

1039
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:18,000
a mistake or does something
wrong?

1040
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:21,600
Doesn't mean that's a Perpetual?
They're bad for those for all

1041
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,899
eternity.
No.

1042
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:27,500
And it's not for us to sit there
and judge, you know, and I think

1043
01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:30,000
the other thing is, if we've
been offended by somebody, we

1044
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,399
also need you Go into the New
Testament and see where it says.

1045
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,000
You pull that guy off to the
side private, right?

1046
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,200
You have a private conversation,
samcro you screwed up and here's

1047
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:43,800
what I think and I would also
also say your first reaction may

1048
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,899
not be the correct reaction,
right?

1049
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:49,300
You may say something to the
effect of this guy, really

1050
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:53,300
irritated me or whatever, maybe
that wasn't his intent.

1051
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:56,600
So I asked a few questions first
and then get to the bottom.

1052
01:09:57,500 --> 01:10:02,500
Yeah, so I think I think that
idea of evil speaking is

1053
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:08,300
interesting too because the
temple in my understanding is

1054
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:11,500
the Gateway into almost a
different organization, right?

1055
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:14,900
You're starting to deal with
things of the Kingdom, not just

1056
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:19,600
the church, and in the Kingdom
were supposed to be United.

1057
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,800
And I think that, that part of,
that Covenant in particular, is

1058
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,800
very much geared towards this
idea of becoming United somehow

1059
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,800
being able to look over somebody
else's faults and just be

1060
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,200
willing to to offer the same
Grace that you would hope to get

1061
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,300
from somebody else or even our
savior.

1062
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:45,800
So, awesome.
Anything else you want to add on

1063
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,100
the wall of the Gospel there,
Dan?

1064
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:51,500
No, I think that to me there
again.

1065
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:58,000
I'm not the man of all knowledge
and knowing, but that is what I

1066
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,600
take from it.
And as I keep going to the

1067
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,700
temple myself, I'll keep
learning more and more and like,

1068
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:10,500
say what that also means is, we
need to pick up the scriptures.

1069
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,700
Like you say, we To learn them.
We need to have a good

1070
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:17,700
understanding or if you really
want to have fun, go into the

1071
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:23,100
Proverbs and start reading
Proverbs and stuff.

1072
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:28,000
And get to learn who we are.
What we are, what we're made of

1073
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,900
what was really meant for us to
be able to do what we're

1074
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:34,400
supposed to think how we're
supposed to think about it.

1075
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:41,300
So those are, those are some of
the things that I think of as

1076
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:44,400
well.
Yeah, I mean, you know, it

1077
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,900
teaches those things.
Teach us a lot of things because

1078
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:54,700
there's so much wisdom in
Proverbs, but so many different

1079
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:58,900
laws and examples and stuff that
we're taught over time.

1080
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:02,300
It's almost like the Lord's.
You that Covenant is saying,

1081
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:05,500
just promise me, you're going to
keep lying, just promise me,

1082
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:09,000
you're going to go back here and
keep figuring stuff out, keep

1083
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,900
working towards it and we'll
work together on getting I'm

1084
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,100
getting you up where you need to
be and and I find in a lot of

1085
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:23,300
gospel, just this beautiful.
I think that law as with all of

1086
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:26,300
them but especially that one,
you can really see a caring

1087
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:29,300
Heavenly Father trying to direct
his children.

1088
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,300
Back to him to learning, right?
Continue to learn continue to

1089
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:38,700
grow continue under, try to
understand what my will is for

1090
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:41,500
you, and they can be found in
the scriptures, they can be

1091
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:44,400
found.
In the words of prophets, they

1092
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,800
can be found through the spirit,
but just keep learning, keep

1093
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,400
trying, keep learning.
And so long as we do that, be

1094
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,700
haven't lost when we give up,
we've lost.

1095
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:56,800
Yep.
Yep.

1096
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,200
Exactly.
And and I think that's something

1097
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,200
else.
I want to say here to is it,

1098
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,100
I'll just speak for me, we're
always still.

1099
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:09,800
We're always still going to make
mistakes and mess up.

1100
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,200
But that doesn't mean we quit
trying, right?

1101
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,500
I look at it.
This took me a while to wrap my

1102
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:22,000
head around.
So I since the last time I was

1103
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,300
up here, I think I've dropped
ten ten pounds also, but I still

1104
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:30,700
continue to screw up, right.
Like, I'll be driving home and I

1105
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:34,600
call Amber or Tanya and I'm
like, hey, what's for dinner?

1106
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:40,100
And they're like, oh, we have a
salad and I'm like, that sounds

1107
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:42,400
fantastic now.
My goal of trying to lose

1108
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,800
weight, that should be the thing
I go for.

1109
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,600
But instead, I'm like look,
there's a Carl's jr.

1110
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,700
Right there.
And I know for a fact they have

1111
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:56,400
a famous star.
That would be just fantastic

1112
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,600
right now.
And then I'm like, see you

1113
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,000
screwed up, you're trying to eat
better and you messed up and now

1114
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,900
you blown that.
What's the point of going to the

1115
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,900
gym and my buddy who's helping
me through this?

1116
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:12,400
He's a Kinesiology Professor.
Who are you staying?

1117
01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:16,400
Yeah, he said, If you were
trying to learn how to play the

1118
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,300
piano, if you hit a wrong note,
which you stop, it's like, well,

1119
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:23,800
no, he's like, then why are you
giving up going to the gym if

1120
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,100
you have one crappy me.
And I think the same principle

1121
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:31,600
applies to the gospel just
because you hit a wrong note.

1122
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,400
You don't stop trying to figure
out how to play the piano.

1123
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,900
Well, if you hit a wrong note in
the gospel, doesn't mean you

1124
01:14:38,907 --> 01:14:43,600
just throw it all out and you go
back and you continue to try to

1125
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,100
get better, you can sure.
Try to practice.

1126
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:50,300
Now, obviously some sense are
bigger than others and will

1127
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:54,200
require a little more
correction, but the principle

1128
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,100
still applies.
Stop.

1129
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,200
Reboot.
Reload and then go back after it

1130
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,700
again.
But awesome.

1131
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,500
All right, so this one's pretty
self-explanatory but I feel like

1132
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:12,600
not living.
It definitely has its own set of

1133
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,800
consequences and that's the law
of Chastity.

1134
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:19,900
That's the next Covenant.
We take in the temple. and that

1135
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:25,200
Covenant says that you're not
going to have any physical or I

1136
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:32,600
would even say emotional
romantic connections with

1137
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,200
anybody outside of your husband
or wife.

1138
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:40,000
And when you're afraid, let me
make sure I get this clear.

1139
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,400
I'm not saying that if you're
two dudes married, but that's a

1140
01:15:42,407 --> 01:15:43,800
good thing either.
Yeah.

1141
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:48,000
Within the Realms of your
heterosexual marriage, you will

1142
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,900
not venture outside those
battles, right?

1143
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:55,000
Well, even the Lord told us and
said that we're not even

1144
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000
supposed to even lust after
another woman, right?

1145
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,800
Well, doesn't mean I committed
that sin.

1146
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,100
Yeah it does if you sat there
and lusted after a woman and you

1147
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:10,400
played things out in here.
Rain even tells you in the

1148
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:15,100
scriptures that you committed
that sin in that regard.

1149
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:19,300
Well, granted, it's in degrees
by varying degrees.

1150
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:23,200
You didn't physically attack
that woman, but you did in your

1151
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,200
brain, that wasn't right that
has to be corrected.

1152
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:31,200
Well, the problem is, is if we
do things like that in our

1153
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,200
brains, we start thinking about
it and we start acting upon

1154
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,700
things.
But you've got to change your

1155
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:44,200
whole mindset about that and
stop lusting after stop coveting

1156
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,900
after or whatever.
And to me, that's all part of

1157
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:53,300
the law of Chastity as well.
Because if we correct, how we

1158
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:55,800
think, then we think a lot
better.

1159
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,500
Well, yeah.
And we don't do anything without

1160
01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:02,500
really thinking about it first.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1161
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,300
You you have to run through the
scenario in your head to get to

1162
01:17:06,308 --> 01:17:09,300
that point.
And so if you're going through

1163
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:12,300
that scenario, understand,
you're essentially stretching

1164
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:17,200
before the game, right?
And you're setting yourself up

1165
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:19,700
to be in that horrible
situation.

1166
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,900
I couldn't agree with you more.
You got shut that down early,

1167
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:30,800
where I think what we can look
around today and we can see the

1168
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,800
ramifications of what happens to
a society, when you don't live,

1169
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,300
those principles.
And I would say it's all the way

1170
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:43,100
up to death.
Now, I know some people right

1171
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:48,100
there, just rolled their eyes,
but how many How many

1172
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:53,600
pregnancies end up in abortion?
Because the law of Chastity

1173
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:58,500
wasn't lived.
Probably well there again

1174
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,400
Millions.
Yeah.

1175
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:03,200
Yeah.
And aliens of abortions have

1176
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:09,800
happened over the years.
In the other thing is that I

1177
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:15,000
would say this because of our
powers of procreation.

1178
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:23,000
We're when when When we're
living the law of Chastity as it

1179
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:29,800
is explained in the temple.
We are engaged in helping,

1180
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:35,200
father's children, gayer, those
are sacred things and the misuse

1181
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:40,400
of them has to be one of the
most Blasphemous things.

1182
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:43,600
We can do in the eyes of our
father.

1183
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:48,200
Well just look at all the
heartache and and problems that

1184
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,600
happens.
It will we don't live the law of

1185
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,300
Chastity and stuff.
We break our lives Hearts.

1186
01:18:54,300 --> 01:19:00,500
We We mess up families.
We destroy families by doing

1187
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:04,600
that at times because then trust
is lost.

1188
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,700
And when trust is lost you know
everything gets lost at that

1189
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:11,000
point.
Yeah.

1190
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:17,800
So Like say without going in
depth about, you know the law of

1191
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,000
Chastity is pretty simple, you
know, don't think about it,

1192
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,500
don't do it.
Yeah.

1193
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,700
Real straightforward in real
simple.

1194
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:30,400
This one's a big one down.
This next one, the law of

1195
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:36,800
consecration Basically, it's
saying we give it all.

1196
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,000
Sometimes I think we have a
tendency of saying oh I died

1197
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,700
from a doctor, the gospel
tomorrow.

1198
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,900
What would you look for it now?
And that's where I think people

1199
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:58,800
can kind of get hung up this
idea of sometimes.

1200
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,400
It's a Living Sacrifice, you
have to be You have to be

1201
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:08,200
willing to forego your Comforts,
maybe to be about your father's

1202
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:12,100
business?
Well, the law of consecration to

1203
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:18,300
me, that's it's sad.
But you know, in Brigham Young's

1204
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:22,800
time when he came to the Salt
Lake Valley, he set up certain

1205
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,600
places such as order of Hill and
they were living consecration

1206
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,400
there.
They were doing the best they

1207
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:34,200
could with what they had.
And it was to teach us how to

1208
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:39,500
live in a community and a
society where we share and the

1209
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:46,000
hard thing for men is to share
their stuff for a woman.

1210
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:52,400
Hard thing for them to share is
their husband But being

1211
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:58,300
consecrated means, being able to
give of yourself constantly.

1212
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:04,200
So doesn't mean you have to give
up everything you have because

1213
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,700
you're still a steward over
things and we're given

1214
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:12,000
stewardship, so.
But to be consecrated means when

1215
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:17,700
my wife and I got married and we
had her mom, join the family.

1216
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,900
We ended up mixing three
households worth of furniture.

1217
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:28,600
Now that's a lot of furniture.
We had three couches, we had

1218
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,500
plenty of beds, we had plenty of
dressers.

1219
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:36,100
We had everything so much so
that we're storing stuff out in

1220
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:41,000
the building and then I realized
by coming here, I'm going.

1221
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,700
Okay, what can I do to help?
So I put out the word.

1222
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,100
Is there anybody that needs beds
is there?

1223
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:49,800
Anybody needs couches?
There's there.

1224
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:54,700
Anybody in the needs things?
Well, I don't need them anymore.

1225
01:21:54,700 --> 01:21:59,700
I have plenty.
So I give those up, give them to

1226
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:02,400
the Lord.
Give them to my brothers and

1227
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:09,300
sisters that Need or have need
of certain items.

1228
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:14,200
So I gave up quite a bit in
learning part of that

1229
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,100
consecration that we're supposed
to live.

1230
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,900
Give up your time, your talents,
your means, even your very life.

1231
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:25,900
That will, we hear that?
But do we limit, do we

1232
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:31,100
understand it?
Now, time in the LDS church is,

1233
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:37,900
okay, I give up a couple hours
of Sunday. and, I don't need it.

1234
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:41,000
I think things have changed over
the years it used to be home

1235
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,500
teaching as visiting teaching or
for the mentoring.

1236
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:47,800
Yeah Ministry.
Now let's change all the names

1237
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:52,400
as best we can and I'm like,
okay.

1238
01:22:52,400 --> 01:23:00,500
Well that's Fine, I guess, but I
lost my train of thought.

1239
01:23:00,700 --> 01:23:03,900
No, no, you're good.
You were saying that you know

1240
01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:08,600
our time, yes, one of those
things that we say so time like

1241
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:15,000
I said was was in that part for
us here in the branch we

1242
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,300
sacrifice and give up like a
Saturday are Saturday's, not

1243
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:23,800
just Sundays, but Saturdays.
And we do work projects.

1244
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:26,700
They call him a work party.
Wow.

1245
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,700
At first, I was sitting there
going without a party like I've

1246
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,800
however, but what I did learn
was, yeah, this is even the best

1247
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,900
party, because when you're
working hand, in hand shoulder

1248
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:45,300
to shoulder, elbow to Elbow with
another brother and building

1249
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:48,500
something that's helping
building up the kingdom of God,

1250
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:53,000
helping somebody else out doing
some things that would support

1251
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,300
them and help them.
M, that's sacrificing your time,

1252
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,600
your talent.
Well, are you a carpenter or are

1253
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,700
you a plumber?
Or are you an electrician?

1254
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,600
Well, there's talents there.
For many things.

1255
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:12,300
My wife's Talent is in computer
work and in such and so she is

1256
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:16,800
the temple matron.
She does a lot of research and

1257
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:22,700
and taking care of the genealogy
and stuff and the records and

1258
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:29,100
record keeping For the branch.
As far as that goes, what we do

1259
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:32,200
in the temple.
That's a form of Consecration

1260
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:39,800
and of time and of talent.
And in our means well means is

1261
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,400
like the money that we have well
here.

1262
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:47,700
Not only do we pay tithing, but
we also pay an order fee and

1263
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:52,800
that helps us to establish the
order and help it along even

1264
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,400
better because those Those
things like I just showed you

1265
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:01,400
not that long ago, showing the
freeze dryers that we have what

1266
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,500
we're doing but who does that
benefit?

1267
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:08,500
That benefits everybody out here
that are working together to try

1268
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:11,200
to get that.
So if somebody needs, you'll

1269
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,600
notice we have a pantry of food
and things that were trying to

1270
01:25:14,608 --> 01:25:17,400
rotate through and somebody
needs something to eat.

1271
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,000
We give it to him.
Yeah.

1272
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,500
And the cost is what we're
basically.

1273
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:33,000
There is no cost as far as
monetary value but the cost is

1274
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,700
what are we able to provide from
our hearts?

1275
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:41,500
And our means while means is
those extra couches is extra

1276
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:43,500
beds.
Those days I didn't need.

1277
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,700
Those are just given who donated
to the Lord and then going to

1278
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:50,900
people that do need them.
Absolutely.

1279
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,600
And and having been out here and
seeing the work that gets done.

1280
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,500
It's, it's my mom, it's amazing.
What do you think?

1281
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:04,400
What do you think stops us from
being more?

1282
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,600
And when I say us, I mean not
just members of the branch, not

1283
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,700
just LDS people, not just
independent fundamentalist but

1284
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:16,400
Mormons across the Spectrum.
What prevents us from being more

1285
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,700
consecrated people.
What prevents us from being?

1286
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:27,100
Our willingness to give because
we become selfish we become.

1287
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:31,100
Well, these are my things.
These are, this is my stuff.

1288
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:35,800
This is my time.
When we realize know our time is

1289
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,400
God's time.
God determines and decides how

1290
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:45,500
long we live on this Earth?
And we've got to choose and

1291
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:50,800
figure out that we've got to
make relationships count.

1292
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:55,700
We've got to make things work
between us, our brothers, our

1293
01:26:55,700 --> 01:27:00,200
sisters, Those are things that
we're giving.

1294
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:06,000
What's the difference is?
How much are we able to give and

1295
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,600
do for someone else?
I remember there was a quote by

1296
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:15,100
Brigham Young where he was
talking to the Saints about the

1297
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:18,800
sings.
And he said, I fear for this

1298
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:26,600
people, when they become
prosperous, we it's a real easy

1299
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,000
trapped fall into right where
you're like, well I work for

1300
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,500
that.
That's, that's mine.

1301
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:35,900
I work for that.
And I'll say this, there should

1302
01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:38,500
probably be a little bit of that
in there because it helps you

1303
01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:43,000
value something right.
But when that becomes your God,

1304
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:47,600
when that becomes the end-all
be-all of why you're doing what

1305
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,600
you're doing, you got to stop
and reassessed, right?

1306
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,200
Because your heart's not Where
it should be it that way.

1307
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:59,700
I think Jesus was being very
literal when he said seek first,

1308
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:03,400
the kingdom of God, and then all
things will be added right?

1309
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:08,300
When when I think from a gospel
perspective, when you get your

1310
01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:12,200
mind right, gods were 12 and
your heart, right?

1311
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,800
God is willing to bless you with
more because he knows you're

1312
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,600
going.
To be someone who can offer

1313
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,600
relief to others.
And I think this law of

1314
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:30,200
consecration speaks also to, to
this idea of your working for

1315
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:36,300
something bigger than yourself.
That's something we haven't been

1316
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:39,900
really good at as a people
instilling in our kids.

1317
01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:44,100
If you want to talk about why
this upcoming generation seems

1318
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:48,600
to be so out of alignment, I
think it's because we haven't

1319
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,800
given them anything bigger than
themselves to work on.

1320
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,500
And I feel like this idea of
consecration is a good way of

1321
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:05,700
getting someone into a worthy,
cause the cause And if we can

1322
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:09,300
get our kids heads, kind of
screwed on right?

1323
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:11,500
First, by turning on our own
heads, right?

1324
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,300
You getting our hearts right
with God, there's there's

1325
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:20,800
nothing stopping us from being
able to build Zion to get that

1326
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:27,000
society that we wanted.
All right?

1327
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,100
Folks this is the part where if
you're an LDS person and you

1328
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:38,000
want to know, maybe some of the
big things that were have left,

1329
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,500
the LDS church, you're going to
want to pay attention to these

1330
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,900
next few items because I think
these are going to be ones that

1331
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,100
are going to be super
interesting to you.

1332
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:49,100
And they're also super
important.

1333
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:55,200
One of the things that in and I
remember this from when Mitt

1334
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,700
Romney was running for president
they said you know you receive

1335
01:29:59,700 --> 01:30:03,800
your endowments and such as such
and such date, right?

1336
01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:09,600
Meaning a year did you take the
penalties?

1337
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:17,000
And for a lot of members, there
is a moment of What what are the

1338
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:22,500
penalties?
Can you give a very non-invasive

1339
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:26,000
answer to what the penalties are
and why they were important?

1340
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:37,100
Well, the best way I can explain
this without Giving away the

1341
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:43,800
farm so speak sure.
Because I like you and like

1342
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,500
others, we've taken an oath in a
promise.

1343
01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:54,600
Not to divulge too many things.
Well, the penalties See the Lord

1344
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,000
gives us something.
In other words, there are always

1345
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:05,500
consequences for our actions.
And every action has a result

1346
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:10,300
reaction every action.
There's a either positive or

1347
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:13,400
negative negative reaction to
it.

1348
01:31:13,900 --> 01:31:21,600
Well, the best way I can
describe this is that in the

1349
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:28,000
time of Christ.
When Judas betrayed his Lord and

1350
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:33,700
Savior on the earth, he realized
the Steak, he made and he

1351
01:31:33,700 --> 01:31:36,900
needed, he felt that he had to
atone for that.

1352
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:43,800
And when he hung himself, The
branch broke.

1353
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:51,400
He basically was showing forth a
couple of the penalties that

1354
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:56,400
there were four that by hanging
himself by the neck.

1355
01:31:56,900 --> 01:32:04,000
And when the Rope broke and he
fell and basically his guts were

1356
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,900
splattered out, this is that in
the scriptures and that's two of

1357
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:16,900
the Penalties that he paid just
for betraying his Lord and

1358
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:23,200
savior in that regard.
I mean I don't want can't really

1359
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:28,000
take the time to explain
everything but I find it

1360
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:35,400
interesting. that God is a god
of Justice.

1361
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,300
And he's a god of mercy and both
have to be fulfilled.

1362
01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:44,400
And he allows us to learn what
those things are.

1363
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:51,100
And if we do what we're supposed
to do, he will be a god of Mercy

1364
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:56,300
to us, continually, when we
don't justice will prevail in

1365
01:32:56,300 --> 01:33:00,700
one way or another.
Now, I believe God is a merciful

1366
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:02,300
god.
He's a loving God.

1367
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:07,200
And I don't believe.
For one minute to God is, God

1368
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,600
will punish somebody forever and
ever and ever.

1369
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:15,000
He doesn't do that.
We don't do that as parents to

1370
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,200
our children.
We tell them stay out of the

1371
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:25,300
cookies or you can't watch TV
during a certain time or clean

1372
01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:27,500
up your room or you don't get
something.

1373
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:31,500
Well, if they don't clean up
their room, then what happens,

1374
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,100
they don't get to go play with
their friends.

1375
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:37,400
There's a consequence for that.
That doesn't mean they're not

1376
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,400
going to not be able to play
with their friends ever again.

1377
01:33:41,300 --> 01:33:47,200
but, We're going to sit there
and administer something to them

1378
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,300
so that they know and
understand.

1379
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:51,900
Okay.
You don't clean up here.

1380
01:33:51,900 --> 01:33:53,500
Oh, you don't get, don't get to
play.

1381
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:56,900
You don't get to watch TV.
You can be on your Nintendo.

1382
01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:59,100
You can't do this or can't do
that.

1383
01:33:59,700 --> 01:34:02,900
Well, whatever it is, we decide.
But that doesn't last forever.

1384
01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:06,200
And ever, believe it or not,
that child grows up and he

1385
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,800
learns from his experiences.
And if he understands that

1386
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:15,200
you're a loving father or
mother, Other then he will want

1387
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,700
to do better.
And then the next time you ask

1388
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:21,000
and say, well, it doesn't
matter.

1389
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,900
You're still going to have to
clean up your room.

1390
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:26,600
You made the mess.
Not me, it's not my job to pick

1391
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,400
up everything.
I like all those signs that's

1392
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,400
that that you see in a lot of
businesses and says, your mother

1393
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,300
doesn't work or your mother
doesn't work here.

1394
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:40,000
Clean up after yourself.
Those are some of the things I

1395
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,000
think about when I see him and
I'm Thinking.

1396
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,800
Yep.
Doesn't that apply to us as

1397
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:56,300
well?
No, you're just fine.

1398
01:34:57,300 --> 01:35:00,100
I think, I think with what the
penalties.

1399
01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:03,300
It's just that.
And I think the word is also

1400
01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:05,200
driving.
Something home here, which is

1401
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,400
don't divulge this stuff outside
the temple.

1402
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,500
Yeah, do not talk about outside
the temple.

1403
01:35:12,100 --> 01:35:16,200
The reason that is is because if
we divulge it outside the

1404
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:24,900
temple, we will ultimately We
could, we could almost kind of

1405
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:28,500
damn somebody if they're not
ready to receive those things

1406
01:35:28,900 --> 01:35:33,400
that it's correct.
And that's not a call that we in

1407
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:37,900
our run of the day lives.
Well, I say we, I am I literally

1408
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:41,800
have my finger pointed at me.
I am not in a position to make a

1409
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,900
worthiness call on somebody
else.

1410
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,300
And so when I start or a
maturity call on somebody else

1411
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,400
where I start saying yeah he's
good to know these things that's

1412
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,000
for somebody who's been called
and set apart to that position.

1413
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:04,300
And so if we start revealing
these things everywhere, Two

1414
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:08,800
other people who aren't prepared
to hear them, we've kind of put

1415
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,500
them in a precarious spot.
Yeah we do.

1416
01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:18,100
We condemn them if they're not
prepared or ready for that you

1417
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:21,900
probably heard the expression
and that used in the military

1418
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:24,700
all the time.
Loose lips sink ships.

1419
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:26,100
Yep.
Okay.

1420
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,700
So who are we sinking?
If we're divulging things that

1421
01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:34,300
we shouldn't we're sinking those
Is that like you say, are

1422
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:37,900
prepared for us?
We're sinking ourselves because

1423
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:42,800
then all of a sudden, how can
you be trusted if you can't keep

1424
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,500
that right?
You know, sacred enough and

1425
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:52,200
you're thinking well sometimes
sacred secret can be both right

1426
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,600
he can be both, we learn what
reticence is.

1427
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,500
Sometimes you just don't saying
you don't explain things to

1428
01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:03,600
certain people.
You don't have to You know, the

1429
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:07,400
Lord didn't tell everybody
everything he taught in Parables

1430
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:15,000
all the time, right?
And Then his his disciples and

1431
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,800
such would come to a later and
said, what did you mean when you

1432
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:21,800
said that?
Well, they were prepared to

1433
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:27,500
listen to the answer but the
general public wasn't right and

1434
01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:30,600
so he wouldn't condemn the
general public by giving them

1435
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,400
too, much information.
No, he was cast in some ways you

1436
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,400
could say he was casting a net,
see who would come ask that

1437
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,100
question afterwards and be like,
okay, that dude's awake.

1438
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:44,300
He was Listening.
We can probably break this down

1439
01:37:44,300 --> 01:37:46,600
a little bit more.
Yeah.

1440
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:51,000
And I think those penalties are
there.

1441
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:56,200
Look I'm not so naive as to say
these two things.

1442
01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:03,100
You will always have those
penalties and knock it out on

1443
01:38:03,100 --> 01:38:06,900
you by God.
You know, sometimes you will

1444
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:10,000
write the case of Judas, he did,
right?

1445
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:14,600
We, I've heard stories of other
people who, who may be perished

1446
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:19,300
by some very suspicious-looking,
you know, wounds from a car

1447
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:22,200
accident or something like that,
where you're like, who was that,

1448
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:27,800
God and acting that right?
I think the main thrust here is

1449
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,800
God saying don't don't put this
out for their most people aren't

1450
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:36,900
ready to handle this.
Understand there are important

1451
01:38:36,900 --> 01:38:39,500
things.
The other thing I would say is I

1452
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:45,300
think that the penalty served as
an added, exclamation point on

1453
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:52,700
God's not going to be mocked.
Understand, you're entering very

1454
01:38:52,700 --> 01:38:59,600
significant covenants and how
you live those covenants will

1455
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:05,200
determine your afterlife and you
better take him serious.

1456
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:08,500
And, and sometimes I feel like
when we start talking about

1457
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:13,300
penalties, it's just that it's
an exclamation point, understand

1458
01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:16,600
you're on the hook.
Now you got something to answer

1459
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:21,200
for Also, why I think you did a
great job talking about secret

1460
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,200
and sacred.
Sometimes people like to make

1461
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:28,000
that dichotomy, you know?
Oh, no, it's not secret.

1462
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:33,700
It's same BS, right?
Well, it's both right.

1463
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,400
Here's what I'll say.
You'll never hear somebody as

1464
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,100
shouldn't say that.
Most of the time you'll never

1465
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:44,200
hear anybody in Authority.
In Mormonism anywhere whether

1466
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:50,100
you know, in the LDS church even
or The branch or even

1467
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:54,300
Independence say you know, you
can't really have that.

1468
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,400
That's that's not from you.
What they'll say is you want to

1469
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:01,600
know put in the work put in the
work.

1470
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:06,900
Yes, it's secret right now.
But with a little bit of time

1471
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:11,300
and effort and preparation, you
can totally know what's in

1472
01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:15,800
there, right?
And so, it might be secret but

1473
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,100
secret with an invitation,
right?

1474
01:40:19,300 --> 01:40:22,900
We're not trying to be exclusion
exclusive.

1475
01:40:22,900 --> 01:40:27,100
We're just trying to make sure
you're prepared to take those

1476
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:32,600
covenants on And so, yeah, I'm
kind of a fan of secrecy when it

1477
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,200
comes to, that sort of stuff,
it's for their benefit.

1478
01:40:37,700 --> 01:40:40,900
So here's another one that I
think gets misunderstood a lot,

1479
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:42,500
and that's the oath of
vengeance.

1480
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,400
What, what can you tell us?
Exactly about what the oath of

1481
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:53,100
Vengeance has?
Well, the oath of vengeance is

1482
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:57,900
something that was taken out,
and I believe it was what was

1483
01:40:57,900 --> 01:41:01,400
it?
The read smoke hearings, that

1484
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:08,900
was full of the places in the
web's, brought up See if I can

1485
01:41:08,900 --> 01:41:13,300
even see where that here was
headed somewhere.

1486
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:16,200
In here.
We've the reach new trial for in

1487
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,100
the twenties, but I could be
mistaken.

1488
01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:35,100
Let's see.
Yeah, the okay. 1908 the oath of

1489
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:38,800
Vengeance was taken out of the
endowment to satisfy the US

1490
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,700
government and order from Reed.
Spoke to take his seat in the

1491
01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:45,800
Senate.
Are we noticing a pattern yet,

1492
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,400
right?
It was taken out for the

1493
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:53,700
government there again the
government and not God said to

1494
01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:57,300
take it out, but the government
wanted us to take it out what

1495
01:41:57,300 --> 01:42:01,900
for so that we could sit there
and live with the rest of the

1496
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:05,900
society.
It's in the United States or the

1497
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:09,800
world, or whatever.
We have to capitulate to what

1498
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:16,300
they want, not what God wants.
And that's kind of a sad State

1499
01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:18,600
of Affairs.
But yeah.

1500
01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:21,800
It's why would they take that
out?

1501
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:27,700
Now, I don't think there's
anything wrong for asking for

1502
01:42:27,700 --> 01:42:32,100
the Lord's will concerning
something.

1503
01:42:33,700 --> 01:42:37,300
I'm not taking vengeance upon
someone.

1504
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:44,500
I'm asking the Lord to do.
What he does as in, it's his

1505
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:48,200
call when we take the oath of
Vengeance.

1506
01:42:49,300 --> 01:42:55,100
Basically, what we're praying
for is that people understand

1507
01:42:55,100 --> 01:43:00,200
that we want God to hear us.
And understand that what we're

1508
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:07,000
asking for is for his call.
All concerning things, we don't

1509
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,800
believe in abortion.
And how many millions of God's

1510
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:16,800
children are killed by abortion?
And who's doing that.

1511
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:23,700
Doctors primarily, right?
So I really don't want them

1512
01:43:23,900 --> 01:43:28,700
killing other people.
I mean, this, we've got a

1513
01:43:28,708 --> 01:43:32,200
messed-up Society.
If all we're doing is killing

1514
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:37,400
our, our unborn children and
we're not allowing them to have

1515
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:41,200
have that opportunity.
So we're asking the Lord's

1516
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,900
Vengeance, not ours, his
vengeance.

1517
01:43:45,900 --> 01:43:49,300
To be on all those who shed
innocent blood.

1518
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:54,800
And the way I've learned it.
Another things is in, this is

1519
01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:00,300
something and this is one that's
taught to us that we're supposed

1520
01:44:00,300 --> 01:44:04,800
to teach to our children and our
children's children, to the

1521
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,500
third and fourth generations,
and that's in the Scriptures, it

1522
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:14,200
talks about that.
My wife found some examples of

1523
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:18,800
that before and I don't know,
You got anything from her

1524
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,500
concerning that.
Almost like she's saying to you

1525
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:31,200
too D and C, 98, go ahead.
Okay, up here.

1526
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,900
Sorry.
No it's so needed.

1527
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:44,200
So okay, so d and c section 98
verses. 23 through 48.

1528
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,000
I'm just going to read that here
real quick.

1529
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,000
Now, I speak unto you concerning
your families.

1530
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:55,500
If men will spite you smite you
or your family's Once and you

1531
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:58,100
bear it, patiently and revile
not against them.

1532
01:44:58,500 --> 01:45:02,100
Neither seek Vengeance.
You shall be rewarded, but if

1533
01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:06,300
you bear it, not patiently, it
shall be accounted unto you as

1534
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:09,200
being meted out as a just
measure unto you.

1535
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,800
And again, if your enemies shall
Smite, you the second time and

1536
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:18,400
you revile not against it, not
against your enemy and bear it

1537
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,000
patiently, your reward shall be
a hundredfold.

1538
01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:26,000
And again, if he shall Smite,
you a third time and he Barrett

1539
01:45:26,300 --> 01:45:31,500
patiently, your reward shall be
doubled until your For unto you

1540
01:45:31,500 --> 01:45:35,600
for coal and these three
testimony shall stand against

1541
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,300
your enemy.
If he repent, not and shall not

1542
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:44,100
be blotted out.
And now verily, I say unto you,

1543
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:48,100
that if the enemy shall Escape,
excuse me.

1544
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:54,000
And now verily, I say unto you,
if that enemy shall Escape, my

1545
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:58,300
Vengeance that he shall that.
He be not brought into the

1546
01:45:58,300 --> 01:46:02,300
Judgment before me, then you
shall see to it that you warned

1547
01:46:02,300 --> 01:46:05,500
him.
In my name that he come no more

1548
01:46:05,500 --> 01:46:08,700
upon you neither upon your
family, even your children's

1549
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:12,000
children unto the third and
fourth generation, there it is.

1550
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,000
Again that third and fourth
generation.

1551
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:19,000
And then if he shall come upon
you, or your children, or your

1552
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,900
children's children, unto the
third and fourth Generations, I

1553
01:46:22,900 --> 01:46:25,500
have delivered thine.
An enemy into thy hands.

1554
01:46:25,900 --> 01:46:30,300
And then if that will spare him,
thou shall be rewarded for thy

1555
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:32,700
righteousness.
And also, by children for thy

1556
01:46:32,700 --> 01:46:36,200
children's children unto the
third and fourth generation.

1557
01:46:36,700 --> 01:46:40,900
Nevertheless thine enemy is in
thine hands, and if our reward

1558
01:46:40,900 --> 01:46:44,300
is him accordingly to his words,
Thou Art Justified.

1559
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,600
If he has sought thy wife, and
thy life is endangered by him.

1560
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:52,600
Nine enemy is in thine eye,
thine hands, and thou are

1561
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,800
Justified.
This is the life I gave in to my

1562
01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:01,800
servant Nephi and thy in thy
father's Joseph and Jacob and

1563
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:05,000
Isaac and Abraham and all mine
ancient prophets.

1564
01:47:05,300 --> 01:47:08,400
And again, it is the law that I
gave unto my ancients.

1565
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:13,200
That they should not go out unto
battle against Any Nation

1566
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:17,300
Kindred tongue or people save.
I the Lord commanded them and if

1567
01:47:17,300 --> 01:47:21,700
any Nation tongue or people
shall Proclaim war against them,

1568
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,700
they shall be.
They should first Just with a

1569
01:47:24,700 --> 01:47:29,000
standard of Peace unto that
people Nation or tongue and if

1570
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:33,000
that people did not accept the
offering of Peace, neither the

1571
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,200
second nor the third time, they
should bring these testimonies

1572
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:40,700
before the Lord then I the Lord
would give unto them a

1573
01:47:40,708 --> 01:47:45,100
commandment and justify them and
going out to battle against that

1574
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:50,200
Nation tongue or people.
And I've award would fight their

1575
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,300
battles and their children's
battles.

1576
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:57,100
And their children's Children's
until the, they had to avenge

1577
01:47:57,100 --> 01:48:01,300
themselves on all their enemies
to the third and fourth

1578
01:48:01,300 --> 01:48:05,700
generation behold.
This is an ensample unto all

1579
01:48:05,700 --> 01:48:08,700
people say.
If the Lord your God for

1580
01:48:08,700 --> 01:48:13,200
justification, before me and
again, verily, I say unto you,

1581
01:48:13,500 --> 01:48:17,100
if after dying enemy has come
upon thee.

1582
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:22,100
The first time he repent and
give unto thee praying without

1583
01:48:22,300 --> 01:48:24,700
by 4.
Of nostalgia shalt forgive him

1584
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,300
and thou shall hold it no more
as a testimony against an enemy

1585
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,600
for so on into the second and
third time and as often as I

1586
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:37,100
enemy repeat at the in trespass
wherewith, he has trespassed

1587
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:41,800
against the Thou shalt forgive
him until the seven Seventy

1588
01:48:41,900 --> 01:48:45,200
Times Seven.
And if you trespasses against

1589
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:49,000
and repent, Not For the First
Time, nevertheless, Thou shalt

1590
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,400
forgive them.
If he trespass against the

1591
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:55,600
second time and Repent, not
nevertheless, Thou shalt forgive

1592
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,400
him and if he trespassed against
the third time and repent, not

1593
01:48:59,700 --> 01:49:04,300
Thou shalt, forgive him, but if
he trespasses trespass against

1594
01:49:04,300 --> 01:49:07,800
thee, the fourth time, Thou
shalt not forgive him.

1595
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:12,400
But Thou shalt bring these
testimonies before the Lord, and

1596
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:18,200
they shall be blotted out until
he repent, excuse me, not be

1597
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:22,500
blotted out until he repents and
reward thee for fold in all

1598
01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:24,500
things.
Wherewith, he has trespassed

1599
01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:28,600
against thee, and if you do this
Thou shalt for, if he shall do

1600
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:31,800
this, Thou shalt forgive him
with all thy heart.

1601
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:33,700
And if he do not this, I
believe.

1602
01:49:33,700 --> 01:49:38,500
Ward will avenge thee of thine
enemy and hundredfold upon his

1603
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:43,100
children and upon his children's
children of all them, that hate

1604
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:47,000
me unto the third and fourth
generation, but if the children

1605
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,100
shall repent or the children's
children and turn to the Lord,

1606
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:53,600
their God, and with all Their
hearts.

1607
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,800
And with all their might mind
and strength and restore for

1608
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,100
full were all they trespassed
wherewith.

1609
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:03,100
They have trespassed or where
with their fathers have

1610
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:05,800
trespassed or their fathers
fathers.

1611
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,100
Then thine indignation shall be
turned away.

1612
01:50:10,300 --> 01:50:12,800
And Vengeance shall no more come
upon them.

1613
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:17,000
Saith the Lord thy God and their
trespasses never be brought

1614
01:50:17,300 --> 01:50:20,500
anymore as a testimony before
the Lord against them.

1615
01:50:20,500 --> 01:50:22,900
Amen.
So there's a couple of things

1616
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:25,600
that really stick out there.
One is that the Lord is telling

1617
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,400
you this stuff is going to carry
down.

1618
01:50:27,900 --> 01:50:30,400
It's not going to just be you,
right?

1619
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:34,700
Because most likely, if you're
if you're trying to hurt people,

1620
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,400
you're most likely passing that
on here kids.

1621
01:50:37,500 --> 01:50:40,000
Well you do definitely through
your DNA.

1622
01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:44,500
Most people don't realize that.
Yep, you know, the DNA that we

1623
01:50:44,500 --> 01:50:50,300
get is coming from our mothers.
Our fathers, our grandmother's,

1624
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:55,900
our grandfathers all the way up
full line and those things are

1625
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,500
imprinted upon us whether we
realize it or not.

1626
01:51:00,100 --> 01:51:04,900
And like it says, if we sit
there and break that cycle, then

1627
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:09,200
good on us.
If they don't break the cycle,

1628
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:12,200
it's going to go.
Go for Generation to generation.

1629
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:17,100
You know, this idea of some sort
of memory being passed through

1630
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,500
genetics and DNA.
That's got to be a real thing,

1631
01:51:20,500 --> 01:51:21,500
right?
Okay.

1632
01:51:21,500 --> 01:51:25,400
You can take a toddler and show
them a snake and most of the

1633
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,900
time they record it.
Why is that same with spires?

1634
01:51:29,500 --> 01:51:32,700
Why is that?
Well, that's because something's

1635
01:51:32,700 --> 01:51:36,500
been passed down right?
Which is don't touch that thing.

1636
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:41,200
And there was some trauma that
was You know, happened.

1637
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:46,100
He knows how long ago that has
somehow been transmitted down

1638
01:51:46,100 --> 01:51:51,000
Through the Ages, right?
And so this idea that, that gets

1639
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,400
passed down, is absolutely
correct.

1640
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:58,700
The other thing that that is
pointed out to me here is that

1641
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,400
the Lord sets the standard
pretty clearly.

1642
01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:05,600
He says, you know, there's
certain times you're Justified,

1643
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:09,000
but you get the feel in these
scriptures, that that

1644
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,800
justification.
Secondary to this idea of repent

1645
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:19,400
of offering forgiveness, right?
It is secondary to this idea of

1646
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,600
forgiving and turning the other
cheek.

1647
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,800
The other thing that's very
abundant here is that the word

1648
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,100
makes clear.
I can do.

1649
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,900
The whole Vengeance part of this
and make it right.

1650
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:39,000
And I like what you said earlier
about, we're not trying to be

1651
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:43,300
the avenging hand of God, right?
I think that's where maybe

1652
01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:46,300
things can get a little
convoluted.

1653
01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:50,600
When we start saying, oh, I'm
going to be God's avenging

1654
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,700
person, or whatever.
Then you're on some real Shaky

1655
01:52:53,700 --> 01:52:57,100
Ground.
I don't see anything wrong in

1656
01:52:57,100 --> 01:53:00,800
the oath of Vengeance asking for
the blood of the Listen to be

1657
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,900
Avenged.
I don't think, I mean, if you're

1658
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:08,600
thinking about it prophets the
Saints, the innocent unborn,

1659
01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:14,500
that's Cool.
I'm concerned about because what

1660
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:18,000
have we lost?
Well the innocent unborn, those

1661
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:23,500
children never have a chance at
that point the Saints.

1662
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:27,600
Well Saints is implying.
The idea that they are good

1663
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:34,600
righteous people and how bad is
that if we constantly allow them

1664
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:39,000
to be suffering and then the
third one of course is like the

1665
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,200
It's and stuff.
I think this all start.

1666
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:46,400
Well, this did this all started
at the time of when Joseph Smith

1667
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,900
and all or not Oliver cowdery.
But Joseph Smith and his brother

1668
01:53:49,900 --> 01:53:55,700
Hyrum for murder.
And such and Brigham Young

1669
01:53:55,900 --> 01:53:58,200
started, bringing that out.
That's when the oath of

1670
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:04,500
Vengeance started coming out and
he wanted that if you think

1671
01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:11,800
about it who were the people
That constantly worked against

1672
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:16,900
Joseph Smith.
It was, it was people that

1673
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,900
didn't, like, the gospel that
didn't, like, righteousness,

1674
01:54:20,900 --> 01:54:27,000
that didn't, like, what was
going on or happening, and it

1675
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,800
was even people within the
church itself.

1676
01:54:30,300 --> 01:54:35,900
Those were the men, and that's a
form of betrayal, come here

1677
01:54:35,900 --> 01:54:43,400
lately, and If you're willing to
sit there and betray God, what

1678
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:44,000
good?
Are you?

1679
01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:52,200
Alright, Ryan, are you really?
And those were simple things

1680
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,600
then and I can understand why
they were asking reached mood at

1681
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:58,800
the time because they were
afraid that the Mormon church

1682
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:03,300
was going to rise up and, and go
against the United States

1683
01:55:03,300 --> 01:55:05,700
government.
Well, heaven forbid.

1684
01:55:05,900 --> 01:55:10,600
However, you did have other ER,
States and places and Governor

1685
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:14,100
Boggs and stuff that went
against the Latter-Day Saints.

1686
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,900
We talk about reparations,
maybe.

1687
01:55:16,900 --> 01:55:19,500
All of us and this day it was my
great-great

1688
01:55:19,500 --> 01:55:22,900
great-great-grandfather that
suffered.

1689
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:27,000
So I need to have reparations
for me in this life, right?

1690
01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:31,400
You know, I need a little
Equity.

1691
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,800
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

1692
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,200
Here's the thing the Lord knows
the best time.

1693
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:44,000
The best place and the best
means to exact Vengeance and

1694
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,600
Justice.
Absolutely.

1695
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:51,800
As men were flawed, we don't get
to see the full picture.

1696
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:57,600
Like so anybody who's out there
saying, you know, I can be the

1697
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:02,400
Lord's instrument in.
This doesn't go scripture, say

1698
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,500
vengeance, is mine?
Say yes.

1699
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:08,000
Yeah, well that's just it.
I'm not going to go take out

1700
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,300
Vin.
Agents on somebody.

1701
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:12,500
Sometimes there's people like, I
think I would like to.

1702
01:56:12,500 --> 01:56:16,100
But right, nothing drastic,
right?

1703
01:56:16,300 --> 01:56:18,700
Right.
And I think the other thing

1704
01:56:18,700 --> 01:56:23,300
that's that's important, too, to
realizing this and talk about a

1705
01:56:23,308 --> 01:56:25,800
little bit, is this isn't
talking?

1706
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:29,800
This isn't saying that if
someone's in your house at 3:30

1707
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,200
in the morning, you shouldn't
defend yourself either, right?

1708
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:34,000
That you should just leave it in
his hands.

1709
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,900
Oh no, the Lord's.
Made it clear here.

1710
01:56:36,900 --> 01:56:40,200
I think in DNC 90 E8.
You know you're Justified you

1711
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,500
should probably do something
right?

1712
01:56:42,500 --> 01:56:47,700
And so I think we just have to
apply common sense to this one.

1713
01:56:47,700 --> 01:56:51,300
Is if you think you're special
enough to be the Lord's

1714
01:56:51,300 --> 01:56:53,800
avenging, Angel?
No, you're not.

1715
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:56,200
No, you're not.
If you're thinking that you

1716
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,800
probably need to go back and
check yourself a little bit, the

1717
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:05,900
Lord second.
This idea of praying for God's

1718
01:57:05,900 --> 01:57:09,000
justice.
Yes, yes, we should all be

1719
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:14,500
praying for towards Justice.
If we're on his side and then

1720
01:57:14,500 --> 01:57:17,300
third, you are perfectly
justified in protecting

1721
01:57:17,300 --> 01:57:19,900
yourself, right?
I think, I think those are some

1722
01:57:19,900 --> 01:57:21,900
things that I think we can take
away from that.

1723
01:57:23,500 --> 01:57:25,000
Did I miss anything on that?
Damn.

1724
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:29,400
No, I don't think so.
I think we talked about as much

1725
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:34,300
as we could possibly tossing.
We talked about yet. okay, and

1726
01:57:34,300 --> 01:57:40,800
then finally and I saved this
one for the last because to me

1727
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:47,400
This next part is probably the
reason so many changes were made

1728
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:50,800
to the temple.
And that is the lecture at the

1729
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:56,400
Veil. yeah, again without
getting into the verbage without

1730
01:57:56,500 --> 01:58:00,800
revealing anything that we
shouldn't be revealing what is

1731
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:09,100
the lecture at the Veil The
lecture at the veil is kind of

1732
01:58:09,100 --> 01:58:12,400
to help us.
Remember all the things we

1733
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:18,500
learned up to that point as far
as the washing, the anointings

1734
01:58:18,500 --> 01:58:24,500
part of some of the endowment
and how the mechanics of that

1735
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:30,500
worked.
But it also taught us who our

1736
01:58:30,500 --> 01:58:34,800
heavenly father is who our
heavenly mother is and it taught

1737
01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:38,700
us.
That our heavenly father.

1738
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:45,900
Had more than one life and that
they populated this Earth and

1739
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:51,100
that when he and if you can find
this and Stephanie in different

1740
01:58:51,100 --> 01:58:56,000
places, but that he was a
Celestial being which meant he

1741
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,600
already lived on an earth and
was resurrected.

1742
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:03,800
And he was righteous and he came
down here and it taught us what

1743
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:07,000
he did.
He brought us our Spirits here,

1744
01:59:07,500 --> 01:59:09,500
sounds awful.
Lot like the atom God.

1745
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:12,300
Doctors will gosh.
I think it does.

1746
01:59:12,300 --> 01:59:19,000
Holy cow something really simple
and easy to understand when you

1747
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:25,200
understand it correctly and no
it wasn't any great big mystery

1748
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:30,500
because if and yes it is a
mystery to know God.

1749
01:59:32,700 --> 01:59:36,400
It's actually a bigger mystery
when you don't know, because

1750
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:39,800
then you're struggling, you
don't know who your father in

1751
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:42,100
Heaven is, you don't know who
you're praying to.

1752
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,900
You don't understand what he's
already been through.

1753
01:59:46,100 --> 01:59:51,600
When you understand that your
heavenly father or Michael, or

1754
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:58,400
Adam, was a Christ, He knows
what his son Jesus Christ, and

1755
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:01,000
that is part of it.
You understand that?

1756
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:07,100
And that lecture, and those are
important pieces of the puzzle

1757
02:00:07,100 --> 02:00:11,900
to put together and there again
you need to be sitting there

1758
02:00:11,900 --> 02:00:15,800
listening to it.
And the more you listen to it,

1759
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:21,200
the more you understand, the
more you get a concept and

1760
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:25,600
realize, wow, this is deeper and
you get so much more

1761
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:29,000
understanding out of it.
There's one of the ways in which

1762
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:33,700
we can learn more each time, we
go pay attention to it, and

1763
02:00:33,700 --> 02:00:38,200
listen to it.
And I mean, I've learned great

1764
02:00:38,500 --> 02:00:43,600
mysteries from that lecture,
which I didn't have in the LDS

1765
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:48,200
Church. you know, when the first
time I went through the temple

1766
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:51,300
was, until I became a member of
the branch and then listening to

1767
02:00:51,300 --> 02:00:54,900
the lecturer at the veil and
actually, giving the lecture,

1768
02:00:54,900 --> 02:01:00,400
the veil myself, when function
is the temple president, which

1769
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:05,000
helps me to understand if
anything it's kind of like when

1770
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:09,100
you're teaching a subject or
teaching, a class who gets the

1771
02:01:09,100 --> 02:01:11,800
most out of it, the teacher
every time because you got feel

1772
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,000
like, you know, your stuff you
do, Do you have to?

1773
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:19,700
And then to realize that when I
was discovering certain

1774
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:24,200
Mysteries and things from all of
that and I'm going, wow, this is

1775
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:28,600
this is fascinating and to be
able to take it to my file

1776
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:34,200
leader and ask him and stuff.
And my understanding this right,

1777
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:36,500
is this this is this what this
really means?

1778
02:01:36,500 --> 02:01:40,900
And and to get answers to your
questions, those are the big

1779
02:01:40,900 --> 02:01:44,000
things in life, getting answers
to our questions.

1780
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:46,600
Ins.
How many of us have questions

1781
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:48,700
that just go in answered, at
times?

1782
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:59,900
Absolutely, I've Because it can
still be found, I won't say

1783
02:01:59,900 --> 02:02:06,600
where, but you can, as I read
through early on, in my Journeys

1784
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:13,500
into fundamentalism is I read
through the lecture at the veil.

1785
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:20,000
It became abundantly clear that
the whole endowment was centered

1786
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:27,100
around two things, the atom God
doctor, And getting answers how

1787
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:31,200
to approach the Lord and know
you will receive an answer.

1788
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:39,100
The atom God Doctrine is so
interwoven into the original

1789
02:02:39,100 --> 02:02:45,600
doubt endowment that you can't
separate and there were times as

1790
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:49,300
I was in the LDS church and I
was a weekly Temple attending.

1791
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:56,900
I went once a week for 15 years,
right, except for when I lived

1792
02:02:56,900 --> 02:03:00,100
in Boise for a little while,
they do the shut down for two

1793
02:03:00,100 --> 02:03:02,100
weeks on the temple.
I couldn't go in there.

1794
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,500
It Don't like Utah.
Where there is another one just

1795
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:09,600
down the road, right?
Other than that, once a week for

1796
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:17,000
15 years, And no matter how hard
I tried, it felt like it was

1797
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:20,200
kind of disjointed or didn't
flow quite right.

1798
02:03:21,300 --> 02:03:25,800
And it wasn't until I discovered
the atom God doctor, and then

1799
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:30,900
the mother churches.
Adamance adamant.

1800
02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:34,500
That it got rid of the out of
God Doctrine.

1801
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:39,500
That is starting to make sense.
Because there are still things

1802
02:03:39,500 --> 02:03:43,100
in the LDS endowment at least
there was until this last group

1803
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:45,800
of changes because I don't go
now so I don't know what's

1804
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:50,900
What's missing?
But there's once you become

1805
02:03:50,900 --> 02:03:54,200
familiar with the atom God
doctor, it's all over the place

1806
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:56,200
and little Snippets here and
here.

1807
02:03:56,500 --> 02:04:00,600
And when you understand the atom
God Doctrine, you realize oh oh

1808
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:04,700
they had to take this part out
so that they could get rid of

1809
02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:08,400
the atom God doctor.
And I go back to that Catholic

1810
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:11,900
Theologian, who said every
heresy begins with a

1811
02:04:11,900 --> 02:04:19,800
misconception of who God is and
so, They'll continue to make

1812
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:25,500
changes to the endowment I think
until they got rid of all the

1813
02:04:25,500 --> 02:04:30,100
vestiges of Adam God.
And this lecture at the veil was

1814
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:35,100
a huge part of that teaching the
atom God Doctrine in the temple,

1815
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:40,500
in the, one of the most secret
spots, you could be in, they

1816
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:42,900
just got rid of it, they tried
to get rid of it.

1817
02:04:43,100 --> 02:04:47,600
But in so doing they continue to
just make the endowment, feel

1818
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:53,700
less, and less cohesive.
And I think, I think that that

1819
02:04:53,700 --> 02:05:00,000
might be the The granddaddy of
them all as far as changes to

1820
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,100
the temple endowment because now
you got changing everything.

1821
02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:08,600
It's like saying you're trying
to restore a 1969.

1822
02:05:09,700 --> 02:05:14,900
Mustang.
And in your restoring, it it

1823
02:05:14,900 --> 02:05:21,900
turns into a 1973 Pinto, right?
Yeah, it's not the same, no it's

1824
02:05:21,900 --> 02:05:23,600
not.
There's no restoration there.

1825
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:26,100
Hey, but they're both for its
they're both for its I mean you

1826
02:05:26,108 --> 02:05:29,700
got that going for you, right?
So awesome.

1827
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:33,900
Dan is there anything?
We didn't we didn't cover that.

1828
02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:37,800
You want to get covered?
Not that I can think of maybe if

1829
02:05:38,700 --> 02:05:43,300
I think about it later.
Yeah, let me know why I can add

1830
02:05:43,300 --> 02:05:47,000
stuff here and there.
Yeah but dude this was awesome.

1831
02:05:47,100 --> 02:05:49,100
Let's do it again.
Let's do that.

1832
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:51,600
Thank you Dave, do it again.
Bye everybody.

1833
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1834
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