Episode #201: The Spiritual Implications Of The Charlie Kirk Assassination W/Jeff Alldredge

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Now on to the show.
The you're listening to the

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Mormon Renegade podcast.
Jeff, how's it going, man?

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It's it's, it's a going, it's
been a been a pretty, you know,

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pretty somber couple of days to
be honest, but it's a going.

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Yeah, no, it sure has been a
solemn, somber couple of days.

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I'm going to tell the story of
how you and I got on here

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tonight.
So but I want, I want to go back

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and reframe this a little bit.
And, and look, folks, tonight

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we're going to talk about some
heady stuff.

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And, and a lot of it's going to
have to do with what happened to

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Charlie Kirk out there in Utah.
And, and I would, I would

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probably say just use some
discretion with your young

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children.
We're going to do our best not

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to make this graphic by any
stretch of the imagination, but

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it is going to be a frank and
honest conversation because I

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feel like it has to be had and
this has some deep spiritual

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ramifications.
But I want to talk about how

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Jeff and I got on this podcast
tonight because this was kind of

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spur of the moment.
It's been a weird week, and it

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started on Wednesday when when
the assassination happened.

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And look, I knew who Charlie
Kirk was.

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But Jeff, you're probably like
me.

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You knew who he was.
You enjoyed some of his videos,

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but you weren't following him,
right?

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You weren't following him on
Facebook.

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I wasn't following him on
Facebook.

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I wasn't following him on X or
Instagram or any of those

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things.
What is Face Dave?

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I'm sorry, I don't have
Facebook, but I I I'm aware of

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Charlie Kirk.
I like the stuff I'd seen, but

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no, I didn't follow him.
Yeah.

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Yeah, and, and I was the same
way.

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And but when, when the
assassination happened, it hit

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hard, right?
Like it hit me really hard.

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I remember like I sat in my
office and I kind of wept and

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and I'm not a guy who's given
over to could that very easily.

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And so that night I I jumped on
a podcast with Adam Hosey

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because my first fear was that
that people were going to lash

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back out, right.
And we can't lash out because if

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we do, we end up we lose in the
end.

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If we do that, they will.
That is the excuse that the

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other side wants to come down
from on high and take from us

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all of our rights and and and
responsibilities.

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And I thought, OK, that's done.
I can move on now, but the Lord

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wouldn't leave him.
Leave me alone about it.

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And in my in my prayers, I kept
feeling the Lord say, you're not

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looking deep enough.
Go back, go back and look.

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So instantly I thought he was
talking about maybe some of the

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videos, right?
Not necessarily an

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assassination, but maybe, maybe
there was something else

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important that was said there.
And it wasn't until I had put

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all these pieces together, and
I'm not going to spoil it right

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here.
And it was kind of on the

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surface, kind of a crazy idea,
right?

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Or at least I felt like it was
crazy.

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And Jeff called me last night
and I couldn't take the call

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because I was in a meeting and
did did you call me this morning

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or did I call you Jeff?
No, I called you this morning.

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Yeah, you called me back and you
said hey, there's something I

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want to bounce, bounce off you.
And I said well, hold on.

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But anyway, Jeff, Jeff called me
this morning and he said, hey, I

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got something I want to bounce,
bounce off you an idea.

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And I said, well, I got want to
want to bounce off you, but let

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me get mine out since I'm the
weaker mentally and then most

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liable to forget.
And so I bounced.

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I bounced my idea off you, Jeff.
And to my surprise, you said

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that's exactly why I'm calling
you right?

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Like, we had pretty much the
same idea verbatim while you're

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in South Dakota and I'm in
Missouri.

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Pretty much, Yep.
Hadn't talked about it or

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anything else, but as soon as
soon as I put all these pieces

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together, I had a little more
peace and I could sleep at

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night.
But nonetheless, I think there's

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something here and it's
something great, very, very

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important, and it has to do a
little bit with profits.

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And so that's what we're going
to talk about tonight.

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We're going to talk about
Charlie Kirk profits and how

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this all fits into to Mormonism
at large, because I think

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there's some deep spiritual
significance to these things.

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Now, I'm not going to point a
lot of those out because I'm

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going to be honest with you.
You need to come to some of

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those on your own.
I'm not going to be here to tell

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you what you should think or
what you should believe.

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That's not that's not me.
And so, but we are going to to

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to make to dive in deep here.
So Jeff, do you want to start

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off by by telling us kind of?
The.

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The theory both you and I have
come up with independently

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halfway across the country from
each other.

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You know, I'll, I'll tell my
side of that story and it'll

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just kind of blend with what you
just introduced.

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You know, I when, when I found
out I had a brother-in-law text

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me and say Charlie Kirk just got
shot at UVU and that, that just

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kind of blows my mind because
it, it hits close to home those

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big, those big deals.
And even though I didn't know

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Charlie, you know, I, I felt a
certain kinship because his

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mission and the things that he
proclaims, you know, are, are

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pretty close to, to my heart
anyway.

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But just the fact that he was,
you know, shot.

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And at that time, they didn't
know that that he was dead or

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that he was going to die.
Just it was just fresh.

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And a couple weeks ago, I
literally was down in Salt Lake

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working or in actually an Orem.
And I drove around there.

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Matter of fact, they actually
found the weapon about four

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doors down from my boss's house.
And you know, so all this stuff

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is just just pretty close to
home.

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But it had the same effect to me
that you had.

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I was, I was working outside.
I was down at my sawmill and by

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myself.
And it just brought me to tears.

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And I, I literally had to turn
off the mill and just sit there

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for a minute and, and at one
point over the course of the

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next 20 or 30 minutes, I was
just on my knees, just

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recognized.
It wasn't in sadness for, for

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Charlie because he was a dear
friend or, or my brother or, or

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somebody I went to high school
with.

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It was from the simple act that
had happened for the evil and

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the, the, the forces of our
world that had seemed to reach

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out and make it very profound
accusation against truth.

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You know, when evil gets to the
point where where it has to

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snuff out the life of a person
because it's afraid of what

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they're saying, then we as, as
followers, if that has anything

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to do with our religion or the
God we believe in, had better

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stand up and take notice.
And so over the next day, you

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know, as I 24 hours, as I
thought about that and I started

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just kind of putting together
the similarities, I thought,

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well, what was he killed for?
Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, before you

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move on, I got to ask the
question, were you, were you

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kind of shocked too that you
were shook as as as much as you

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were?
I, it, it affected me in a way

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that was, I wasn't shocked
because there's a lot of stuff

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going on in our world that, that
just hits, you know, it seems

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that things are amplifying.
But this was like, you know,

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years ago, I can't remember how
many years ago, there was a

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there was an attack on multiple
families of fundamentalists

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living in Mexico by the cartel.
Right, I remember that.

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Where they where they massacred
them.

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And I was actually in Utah at
the same thing, working away

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from the family or for a week or
so, and it put me right on the

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floor.
I didn't know these people, but

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I felt like they were family
simply because we had a common

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belief of some of, of some of
some, you know, they, they were

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fundamentalists and they were
massacred.

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And it just put me on for 1/2
hour in a, in a house that was

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vacated that I was just doing a
bunch of work on.

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And luckily I was the only guy
there.

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And I just wept for for quite
some time, very overcome with

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the, the, the devastating
reality that there was such evil

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in the world that just wantonly
kills and destroys.

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And so it was, it was that type
of a, of a feeling, but it was

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just a deep there, there was a
change.

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There was a, you know, it was
just very deep the, the things,

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you know, that this was like, I
don't even know how to explain

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it, except that it was, you
know, to happen in that fashion,

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in the way that it happened so
public, so out there.

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And by that, by the by the time,
you know, I had a chance to

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think about this, then it'd come
out that he died.

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And it was just, and I wept all
over again, realizing the

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finality of it for him and for
his family, for his kids, but

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also for our culture and our
society.

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Because if you can't even speak,
you know, here you and I are,

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we're doing a podcast about
this.

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And, and, and that's what they
killed him for.

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They killed him because his
words were harsh.

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And throughout the history, our
belief and his, you know,

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Christianity, Mormonism, all of
our heroes, all of the people we

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look up to, all of our
scriptures tell this story over

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and over and over again.
When people stand up and say the

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truth and it hurts deeply
enough, evil rises up and tries

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to stop the words.
They try to kill stranger.

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That is just constant.
And so here we've been able, we

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are now witnessing that.
We've witnessed that, felt it.

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We get to watch it and it's
graphic horror of that play out

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because he because he had a
different idea than other

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people. 100%.
And this strikes.

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And so the, the concept of that
strikes deeply into your, your

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heart and mine.
And anybody who grew up in a

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culture that was persecuted by
people, you know, you look back

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at Mormonism.
So I started thinking about all

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those things and I started
thinking, you know, his message

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is pretty, pretty darn similar.
If you if you take that message

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and pare it down, the things
that Charlie Kirk was saying was

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not much different than what
Joseph Smith in the early years

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was saying.
The Christ was real.

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Gain some faith, pray and he'll
come to you have a family, raise

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some children, get married, live
easy or live a simple life.

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Honor the honor the
Constitution, no matter how much

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it, you know, the, the, the
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around it, you know, and, and I
just, I looked at, I looked at

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the similarities, you know,
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Charlie was 31.
Joseph was what, 39 when he was

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martyred.
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these things and I started
telling my kids in the first day

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that, that, you know, this
martyrdom.

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And they started asking me
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he know he's going to killed,
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And I said, well, he was wearing
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certainly had a good idea
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And he'd had threats.
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went forward and he got on the
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And he was bold in calling out
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And that's what prophets through
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chased, you know, all the the
blood of the prophets was

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because they were asked by God
to call out sin and cry

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repentance.
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Charlie Kirk's been doing for a
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And so I had a certainly had a
new respect.

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And anyway, dude, it was, it was
just, it's home.

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No, it, it hit, it hit real
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And, and look, I'm, we're not
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mean Charlie Kirk with Joseph
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That's not what we're doing.
What we are doing is that

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there's some similarities here,
right?

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Right.
Yep, very much, you know.

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Their missions were totally
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Charlie was not a Mormon.
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Mormonism.
He didn't hold the priesthood,

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any of those things, right?
I'm not saying he did.

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Right.
However, he did have a mission

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that he fulfilled, right?
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He felt impressed that God had
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he was wildly successful.
Right now I want to read

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something here real quick 'cause
I think this is important as we

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start talking about prophets.
I want to go down this is this

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is the church's, the the LDS
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the responsibilities of prophet,
receive and teach God's will and

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doctrine to mankind, calling
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providing spiritual guidance
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and circumstances.
I went back when I was forming

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my hypothesis that matched yours
and I started looking at all of

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Charlie Kirk's videos and there
is a great many of them where in

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his own way yet unmistakable,
but in his own way called

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society at large and sometimes
individuals and sometimes

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organizations to repentance
right now, when I first bounced

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my idea off of Jeff here and I
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couple different guys right.
I look when I have an idea, I

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always start from from the
standpoint of OK, I I'm probably

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wrong, but let's go ahead and
flush this out and show me where

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I'm wrong.
I think that there is a, a

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prophet with a capital P, and
that would be a prophet inside

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the priesthood.
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are prophets with a lowercase P
OK, one of my good buddies, I

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just talked to you here right
before this podcast said kind of

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a cultural prophet, right?
Moving the culture closer to

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God, what God would want in a
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real good definition of that,

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right?
And so he's, he's working in

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that role.
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call people, societies,
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OK.
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Jeff, Any, any place you can see
where, where we could be off in

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this?
I, I think there's a tremendous

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amount of different levels of
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what the prophet is.
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church, being, you know, being
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distinct idea because we have a
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on and so forth.
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that's where they're at.
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comprehend the possibility that
God could call a prophet outside

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that realm, but he does all the
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I mean, there's a lot of people
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I mean, what did he tell Peter?
You know, you know, many sheep

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that I have that are not of this
fault, and I'm going to go visit

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them too.
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to the Nephites and the
Lamanites who were left, he

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says, my prophets of old did
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We're not aware of you.
And they never asked.

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So I never told him.
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He calls a whole bunch of more
prophets and a bunch of more

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people to go do his work over
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And it's basically if they'd
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they didn't, you know.
So, so here we are.

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You know, our scriptures are
pretty profound and, and a lot

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of the stories are about men who
are, you know, it does not give

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us the full extent of their
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Lehigh, we don't know.
You know, he didn't even know

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that he was a descendant of
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So, you know, there's that.
And yet we Revere him as as this

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great prophet which he was.
And he followed the Lord, he had

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a vision, he went out, he
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They threatened his life.
The Lord said, you better leave

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and I have a pretty special
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So because he had interaction
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a great prophet of the book of
all right, the the scriptures

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are just full of stories like
this that that don't really fit

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the narrative that we grew up
with that it's easy to see who

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the prophet is because we
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Right, right.
And so we go there, but the

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reality is God calls a lot of
people and he's aware of all

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things.
And to think that he doesn't

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have people who are listening or
can hear his spirit outside of

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our view is, is pretty small
thought.

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Actually.
We, we, we, we really put God in

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a box if we try to tell him who
can be who he can call to say or

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do things.
So but he said by their fruit

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she shall know them.
So if you want to know whether

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or not, you know, Charlie Kirk
or anybody for that matter, had

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prophetic abilities or even the
the, you know, Christianity at

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large will point to one of the
one of the scriptures in the

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Bible.
You know, I got asked this

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question on my mission all the
time as a kind of as a bait.

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You know, what do you think a
prophet is?

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Because the Bible comes out
clearly and says that the

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testimony of Jesus is the spirit
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OK, So the reality is if you
have the testimony of Jesus to

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the to the level that you are
tied in, you can receive

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impression about the future and
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And that's the basic, the basic,
one of the basic, you know,

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components of a prophet is
somebody who can see the future,

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speak it and it comes to pass.
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truly have the spirit of
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If you want to go look at
Charlie Kirk's, you know what

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are his fruits?
1 He was willing to die for a

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belief in Christ.
You know so absolutely he is a

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martyr for the cause because
they stood up with great courage

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and spoke the truth of Jesus
Christ and the basics of family

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of repent and be aware of the
sins that are upon our

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generation.
And he enumerated them very

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distinctly, and he called them
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And that's when people get
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And so, you know, my heart's
out, and my hat's off to Charlie

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and his family and to others who
are willing to stand up for what

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they know is true, and in the
name of Jesus Christ, to call it

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out and to cry, cry repentance
unto this world that we live in,

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because we are far astray.
Absolutely.

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So, you know, that's just just
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of why I started thinking about
it from the terms of, huh, you

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know how many people have been
publicly assassinated in the

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history of America in this
fashion for their political

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views, which are actually
religious views?

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OK, this isn't politics, this is
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I think something else that's
important here to to recognize

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is that when someone says, well,
you got to keep your religion

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separate from your politics.
I don't think that's possible,

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right?
It's not possible.

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There is too many intersections
between religion and and

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politics for it to be that way.
Like, let's let's get an example

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here.
And it's one that that Kirk

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talked about a lot, right?
Abortion, Jeff, for you?

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Is that a religious issue or a
political one?

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It's religious at its core, but
it's political because it it it

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deals with murder.
From my religious opinion, it's

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a murder.
Therefore it takes politics and

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government to control people who
would wantonly do it, which

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takes away the rights of others.
So it's both political and

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religious.
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So you would say that your
politics were informed by your

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religion?
Oh, they're absolutely built on

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my religion.
All of us is our if we want to

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take it down to the core of what
we think, how we treat our

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neighbor.
Exactly.

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And and that's, and that's my
point, right, is that all of us,

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all of us, even the ones we
disagree with are religious in

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nature.
All men are religious.

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I don't care what they say,
right?

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All men are religious.
It doesn't matter who you are

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now, what changes is who your
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That's the difference, right?
For guys like me and you, it's

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all about Jesus.
It's all about the Father,

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right?
That's, that's what, what it's

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about.
If, if it's somebody who's an

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environmentalist, well, nature
is their God, right?

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If somebody is, is, you know,
LGBTQ, what whatever it is now,

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their religion is wokeness,
right?

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All men, all people are
religious.

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It's just a matter of which God
you're you decide you want to

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serve.
And look, idols come in a lot of

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different forms.
For some it's money, for some

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it's fame.
For others, it's it's, you know,

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you know, the the opposite sex,
it just whatever it is, all men

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are religious.
It's just matter what God you're

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going to serve.
Now, I feel like it's important

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here to say the other thing
we're not doing here is making

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an idol out of Charlie Kirk.
It's not what we're doing.

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He was a man just like the rest
of us.

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He made mistakes.
There were a lot, there were

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some things I didn't agree with
Charlie on, on his politics, but

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nonetheless, by and large his
his time here on this earth, I

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believe was a net positive.
But as far as he fulfilled his

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role in terms of of what the
Lord asked him to do of calling

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people to repentance.
That is very much in the

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prophetic tradition in the
judeo-christian ethic, right?

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A a call to repent.
Now I want to say this and I

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think this is one of the things
that did make Charlie Kirk kind

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of good when it came to dealing
with his audience, right?

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And his target audience, what
were college age kids, right?

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He had a he had a great way on
how to do that.

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Jeff, if old guys like me and
you had to call people a

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repentance, it would be a lot
harsher.

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But nonetheless, Kirk was able
to to call people to repentance

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in a way that was very palatable
to them.

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And I'm going to give an example
of this right now.

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And Jeff, if you can't hear this
at some point, let me know.

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For the audience, if you're
watching the video, the video

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has has subtitles in case you
can't hear them.

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For those who are just
listening, I'm going to let it

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play once and then I'll play it
twice and I'll read you what's

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on the screen.
So you know what Charlie Kirk is

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saying now?
This is 10 minutes before 10 or

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20 minutes before Charlie Kirk.
Excuse me, Charlie Kirk is

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assassinated.
So give me just one second.

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Here, let me fire this up.
Here we go.

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By the way, I I love how Mormons
have more kids than they can

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afford.
Time for Mormons.

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You got to get your mojo back.
No more this LGBT stuff.

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In this.
Country.

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Let me just continue.
I love how Mormons and

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missionaries around the world.
I love how quiet you are.

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I I hope my team is Mormon
Terrells and Mormon Andrews and

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Mormon everybody.
I'm an evangelical Christian.

445
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:45,370
We're gonna have fun with this,
but I'm not one of those guys

446
00:28:45,370 --> 00:28:49,640
that hates on Mormons.
I'm going to do it again and

447
00:28:49,640 --> 00:29:00,760
this time I'll read it.
By the way, I love how Mormons

448
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,360
have more kids than they can
afford.

449
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,720
I think it's time for Mormons to
get their more mojo back.

450
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,720
No more of this LGBT stuff.
We need a he can get.

451
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,840
Then goes on to say we need a
strong Mormon church back in

452
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,800
this country.
Yep.

453
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,680
And he said he loved how Mormons
send missionaries all around the

454
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,240
world.
So Jeff, I, I got a question for

455
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,080
you, brother.
What, what was that?

456
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,320
What?
What was it Charlie Kirk did

457
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080
right there to the Mormons?
You know, it was really

458
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,000
interesting because my wife
Cherise brought that to my

459
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,560
attention.
Later on, shout out to Cherise.

460
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Yeah, Later on this or after you
and I talked this morning, she

461
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,560
brought that attention and and
I, I looked at it two or three

462
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:04,560
times and I thought, here he is
calling for a return of the

463
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,480
strong Mormon Church.
You guys need to get the strong

464
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,880
Mormon Church back.
And he, what else?

465
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,760
What else did he say?
There was one other thing.

466
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,400
Oh, you need to get your mojo
back, which, you know, define

467
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,880
mojo as a groove as get back in
the, the rhythm of the, the real

468
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,880
rhythm, you know, whatever you
want to call it.

469
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,480
So one, he's aware from his
perspective, let's put it that

470
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,760
way, he's aware that something's
wrong.

471
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Yes.
And then he defined it, but yet

472
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,960
in a way that the crowd took it
OK.

473
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Absolutely.
Find it.

474
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,880
And he said no more of this
LGBTQ stuff.

475
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,880
So specifically, he's aware that
there is struggle over these

476
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:57,000
issues in the church.
And he is simply and and calmly

477
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,160
saying, you guys need to get
your mojo back, man.

478
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,200
No more of this stuff.
And then he goes on to say, we

479
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,920
need the strong Mormon church
back.

480
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,320
Now, you know that sounds like
you and me talking in a

481
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,200
different language, but that's
you and me talking, right, Dave?

482
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,640
That Jeff right there in his own
way, right?

483
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,240
Again, not the way you and I
would do it, but we talked to

484
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,560
different audiences, Jeff,
right.

485
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,040
If we did it, if we, if we did
what Charlie did there and we

486
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,240
did it our way, we'd lose that
crowd, right?

487
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,680
That crowd would be like, see
you later, Boomer, right?

488
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,200
They'd be gone.
They'd be like, see you later,

489
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Fundy Fundy.
Right.

490
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,480
Exactly.
But nonetheless, Jeff, that's a

491
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
call to repentance.
Am I right or am I wrong there?

492
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,240
It sure sounds like it to me and
and then he went on and he

493
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,240
expressed love because sometimes
the Lord says chastising with

494
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,360
sharpness followed shortly there
with love, lest you're in, lest

495
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,120
they seem, lest you think
they're your enemy.

496
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,160
I I really stopped that quote.
But see, Charlie did that and

497
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:12,720
hey, did not even Mormon, but he
was acting as a good righteous

498
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,480
man trying to call something out
that he sees from afar.

499
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,400
Now, interestingly, it's hard to
take that right.

500
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,840
You know, if you're if you're if
you're not thinking about it and

501
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840
if you haven't already accepted
the fact that we we really have

502
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
trouble culturally and that
we've given up some things and

503
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,920
that we struggle, then that's
that's almost offensive.

504
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,000
How dare you say something about
us, you know?

505
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,720
And so it's really interesting
because I, you know, I sent that

506
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
over and shared it with you and
you came back.

507
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,200
I couldn't hardly wait.
So I called you and you

508
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,760
answered.
I just watched it.

509
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,840
And we both.
Had seen the same thing but

510
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,480
we're pre we were predisposed to
see that because we've been

511
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,400
through years of looking at
things critically going what in

512
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,920
the world's going on here and so
Charlie Kirk calls it out.

513
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,640
You know, it reminds me talking
about profits.

514
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,480
OK, let's look at an example out
of the Book of Mormon.

515
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Samuel comes around and he just
appears out of nowhere, climbs

516
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,520
up on the wall and starts crying
repentance to the Nephites prior

517
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,000
to Christ's death.
And he also prophecies a bunch

518
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,080
of stuff that's going to happen.
And then he jumps off the ball

519
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960
and he goes away.
And we don't hear much more

520
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,440
about it.
Course, we have it in the book

521
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600
now, but we can read in 3rd
Nephi when the Savior comes to

522
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,480
those people.
And one of the things he does is

523
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,800
he subtly, calmly and lovingly
calls him out and says, bring

524
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,480
forth the records.
And they bring him forth and he

525
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,760
says, hey, where?
Where's that account in here?

526
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,920
That Samuel, all his prophecies
and the things he told you,

527
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,720
which were pretty harsh because
they tried to kill him for it.

528
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,720
They shot arrows at him.
They tried to stone him.

529
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,480
They couldn't hit him.
And he jumped off and got away.

530
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,680
Yep.
He saw the same human behavior

531
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,240
exists in almost every culture.
But the Savior came and said, I

532
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,120
want you to put that back in
because He prophesied of me.

533
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,639
Yep.
Yep, he told you when it would

534
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,080
happen to the day.
Yep, Yep, and. 100.

535
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Percent.
And so, you know, a lot of

536
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,760
things repeat themselves in this
world, but these are just some

537
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,320
really interesting things, Dave,
that are going on.

538
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,880
Yeah. 100% when?
So Like again, just the timeline

539
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,360
of events between Jeff and I
here we have that conversation

540
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,159
where we both came up with the
same idea independently of each

541
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,239
other.
Again, halfway across the

542
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,080
continent from each other.
And then Jeff's wife, Cherise

543
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:47,400
finds this video where he does
his thing, only this outsider

544
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,080
comes in and calls Mormonism to
repentance.

545
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,679
Right?
Like you were just saying, Jeff,

546
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160
you got to get your mojo back.
What does that mean?

547
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Let me break that down.
That means you need to start

548
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,840
doing your thing again.
You need to start being that

549
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,240
those people again, right?
He's saying you had something of

550
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,280
value and now you have to return
to it.

551
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120
What does he say?
The country needs a strong

552
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Mormon church.
Again, saying we were better off

553
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,240
when you guys were holding to
your doctrine.

554
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,400
And what does he say to knock
off?

555
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,280
Get that LGBTQ stuff out of
here.

556
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,960
You don't need it in there.
And he does it in a very

557
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,240
palatable way that the crowd not
only is willing to hear it,

558
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,760
they're cheering for it.
Right?

559
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,880
Like they're like, yes, you are
correct.

560
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,760
And so we have a guy who
apparently is acting in this

561
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:55,840
role and rallies the troops
right before the worst happens.

562
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,640
Yep, I find it also very
interesting, Dave, that the

563
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,760
first thing he said was I love
it that the Mormons have more

564
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,000
have more kids than they can
afford and.

565
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,320
That was awesome.
So so once again, here's a joke,

566
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,120
but I I think it was delivered
in the way, you know, I love

567
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,920
that you have families.
Well, guess what, not anymore.

568
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,360
So was that also a subtle call
because the question is the

569
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,040
thing you know, you if any of
his videos you go back and watch

570
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,960
to the youth.
He says get married, have

571
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,320
children, protect your women,
raise them in righteousness,

572
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,520
return teach your children
principles of the Constitution,

573
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,720
freedom of speech, all the
things.

574
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Now that that's just that's
Mormon thought as well as

575
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080
Christian thought.
Those are just so do deeply

576
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,760
rooted in what we would call the
gospel of Jesus Christ, right?

577
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,400
And so here he is preaching his
gospel in a fun way.

578
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Get in the crowd to to hear him
encouraging them to have babies.

579
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,320
And you wouldn't think that
Mormons would need to hear that.

580
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,800
But our birth rate has dropped
below the sustainable level to

581
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,800
even maintain the population.
So we need to hear it and

582
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Hallelujah that somebody's
willing to stand up and say it.

583
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:25,000
I'm going to stay as far away
from bashing anybody right now.

584
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,320
That's not what I want to do.
But I do think, you know, I, I

585
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,600
can't help but think, why?
Why are we not hearing this from

586
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,800
our pulpits, right?
Look, OK, you don't like plural

587
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,320
marriage, fine, be done with it.
But don't give up the rest,

588
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
right?
You know, get rid of the LGBTQ

589
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200
stuff.
Focus on those young kids

590
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,160
getting married.
Jeff, this is such a problem.

591
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
The I'm glad you, you pointed
that birth rate thing out

592
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,880
because I think that's huge.
The, this was when I was still

593
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,200
in the LDS church.
I guess it would have been right

594
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:07,040
around 2015.
I was nearing the end of my

595
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,160
sojourn there, and I was an
elders quorum president at that

596
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:19,240
time.
And I was asked to to deliver a

597
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:25,360
message in a state conference,
the priesthood session, about

598
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,240
having kids.
Now, granted, he looked at me

599
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,200
and saw that I had 6.
And it's like, that's my guy,

600
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,960
right?
I mean, he can speak with

601
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:39,000
authenticity to this.
And so I, I remember I gave, I

602
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,160
gave the talk and then dude,
like, OK, just so everyone

603
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,280
knows, it's just not this
podcast.

604
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,680
I made people mad at me with.
I did it in talks too in the LDS

605
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,520
church.
There was a guy who stood up and

606
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,000
got mad at me for that talk and,
and called me out in front of

607
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,040
everybody.
And I started to reply because

608
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,120
that's what I do.
And the state president stood up

609
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,880
and he said, Dave, sit down,
I'll take it from here.

610
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,560
And I, I sat back down and he
said there was nothing wrong

611
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,760
with that talk.
You, you may not like what the

612
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,760
content was, but that's the talk
that had to be given at this

613
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,520
stage.
And he said, I'm going to tell

614
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,600
you something right now.
Young men speaking to the young

615
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,760
fathers in there or the young
married people who hadn't had

616
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,560
babies yet that could and, you
know, that weren't medically

617
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,280
challenged in that way, I guess.
And he said, I have talked to

618
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,760
more of you young men who said
that you just have to, you know,

619
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,240
you're waiting till you're
financially secure.

620
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,400
You're waiting until you're more
settled.

621
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,600
And he said, guess what?
You can do almost everything

622
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,600
that with a baby that you used
to do without a baby.

623
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,320
And, you know, kind of put
forward this idea of we need to

624
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,640
start having families again,
right?

625
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Well, it's a problem.
And again, an outsider comes in

626
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600
to point this out.
And I do want to make an

627
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,720
observation here.
Jeff, do you know so UVU, you

628
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,440
know what, what county that's
in, right?

629
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Utah County.
Utah County.

630
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,720
I might give you some
interesting statistics about

631
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:29,280
Utah County.
It is the first the most

632
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Republican slash conservative
county in the country.

633
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,520
It is the most read right of a
of a certain population base

634
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,160
right.
I'm sure you could find redder

635
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,560
redder counties.
Whenever there's only like 6

636
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,760
people right then it's 100%
right.

637
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,200
But per capita it is the reddest
county in the United States.

638
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,520
It is also the county that
boasts per capita, the highest

639
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,680
activity rate in the LDS Church.
So where does where does this

640
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,880
message get delivered in the
heart of Mormonism?

641
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,440
I know that church headquarters
is in Salt Lake, but Utah

642
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,480
County, they call it the heart
of of Utah.

643
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,920
There's a reason for that.
And that's because it's pumping

644
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,560
out a lot of members, right?
And a lot of missionaries and

645
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,160
all those other things.
And he delivers that message in

646
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,680
the heart of Mormonism,
essentially, or at least the

647
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:43,520
heart of the LDS Church.
Now, Jeff, is there anything you

648
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,160
want to add there before we move
on?

649
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,840
No, I, I just think it's really
profound that, you know, I, I

650
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,240
love the proclamation on the
family as a, as a general rule,

651
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,120
you know what I mean?
I.

652
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,520
Don't have a?
Problem I I I.

653
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Don't have a problem calling
that thing.

654
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,840
Scripture yeah, I grew up, you
know, with the family and we had

655
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,120
nine kids and we were large
family, you know, every Mother's

656
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,760
Day mom was the one who got
called up as the woman with the

657
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,760
most kids kind of thing because
that's just the way it was.

658
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,480
But everybody else had five or
six, you know, and so it so it

659
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,120
really was one of these one of
these things.

660
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:35,160
But, you know, the having the
family dynamic is, is goes hand

661
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,280
in hand with with Mormon
thought.

662
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,600
You know, it's the basic unit of
society.

663
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:50,120
It is the IT it is the the, the
most sacred of, you know, of

664
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,680
organizations in a week.
We obviously believe that it is

665
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,880
the same organization in the
eternities, the family

666
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,720
organization.
And so this has always been

667
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,120
something I've been taught since
I was little, but that Satan,

668
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,080
the forces of evil, would do
everything.

669
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,880
And you can see them at work
trying to destroy the family.

670
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,760
And so here's a man who gets up
and goes around telling the

671
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,080
youth.
Hey.

672
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Family's cool, have some kids,
get married, make a few more.

673
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Any jokes for the Mormons?
I love it that you guys even

674
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,600
have more than you can afford,
you know, and, and yet that

675
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,880
mission is so deeply ingrained
in the heart and the mind of the

676
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:39,920
man called Father, because this
experiment is the place that

677
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,960
he's chosen for us to come and
recognize for ourself the battle

678
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,720
that has existed for eternity
between the truth and the lies.

679
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,640
And the battle rages on, and
here we sit and we watched it on

680
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,800
TV, on our phones, as the
adversary reached out through

681
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:10,480
some guy to kill a man who was
trying to convince his peers to

682
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,720
raise a good family and to love
Jesus Christ.

683
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,960
And it was for those words that
he was killed.

684
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,920
It's for those words that that
large sections of our society

685
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,120
hated him with such a passion
that they're still celebrating.

686
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,040
And so these are part of the
reasons why you and I are just

687
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,760
struck to the core by the
moment, because the eternal play

688
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,640
of good and evil has now reached
out and touched us in person.

689
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,120
The adversary stood up and said,
I'm going to get you all.

690
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,640
And his biggest tool is fear.
And if Charlie Kirk or anybody

691
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,080
who's stood on a stage like that
in time for time immemorial

692
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,680
could tell us, they would say,
don't give up hope.

693
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,600
God is still in control.
The message is still true.

694
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,600
Hold your ground.
Have faith in Christ and go and

695
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,440
have a family teach him truth
and freedom.

696
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,640
So I got, I got to hand it to
him, you know, he's a martyr and

697
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,920
doesn't make him an idol or a
God.

698
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,000
It makes him a martyr, but a but
a darn good man, you know.

699
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:33,280
Yep, absolutely.
You know, I, I got to ask you,

700
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,240
Jeff, what do you think the
significance is that his blood

701
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:43,400
was spilt in that section of the
Mormon Kingdom, so to speak?

702
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,760
You know, I a lot of things that
happen or just, you know, you

703
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,640
look at them and you go, huh,
that's really weird.

704
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,760
And and the more you look at it,
you think maybe maybe that's not

705
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,120
so weird.
Maybe there's some, you know,

706
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:08,480
where if if you were trying to
make a point and trying to

707
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,120
instill fear upon the people,
which is what Satan does, you

708
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,240
almost could not have picked a
better time or place a more,

709
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:24,360
shall we say, even innocent
people to walk in and, and

710
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,120
brutally carry out something
like that.

711
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:34,880
Even even even as the person
there is seeking to to debate,

712
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,280
but to calmly have a
conversation about all of these

713
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,480
things and to do it in such, you
know, a public manner.

714
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,440
You know, it's never been like
this.

715
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,160
You know, even when I was young,
JFK was assassinated and, you

716
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,080
know, the films of him made
their way around.

717
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,920
But but this happened, you know,
and dinged on people's phones

718
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,600
and they pulled them out
wherever they were at.

719
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,360
And who knows how many millions
upon millions have have watched

720
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:09,160
the horror of a public
assassination for for a man who

721
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,960
had a different idea than the
person who took his life.

722
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,160
And then to see the reaction
across the globe, you know, the

723
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,800
reaction in our own country.
That's the fearful part, is the

724
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,520
recognition that we really are
at this point where the ideas of

725
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,440
good and evil are have taken
root at the level where they're

726
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:35,480
turning to physical
manifestation for good or for

727
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,960
evil.
And the evil side of it is there

728
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,320
was there's violence ahead.
You know, we we've been told

729
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,760
this forever and the prophets
forever.

730
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,280
And those who are willing to
say, you know, would say, find

731
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,200
yourself a place that's quiet,
remove yourself from the places

732
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,040
of contention, which would be
the city's.

733
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,320
And I would echo.
But you know, here we are.

734
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,480
It's just just it's, it's upon
us, Dave.

735
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,760
Yeah, So if and and you can find
this in one of the episodes I

736
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:13,000
did about, about the United
States and the Constitution and

737
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,720
our founding and those sorts of
things.

738
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:23,680
But this country and Israel are
the only two countries that ever

739
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,680
made a covenant with the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

740
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,760
That's it.
And the covenant is remarkably

741
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,280
the same, right?
And you can find echoes of this

742
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,600
or not even illusions.
You can kind of find it find it

743
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,200
spelled out in Second Nephi.
And basically you're promised

744
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,280
two things.
If nationally you make a

745
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,200
covenant with the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that

746
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,600
if you are his people and you do
your darndest to to walk up to

747
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,440
that covenant that you make and
that you will be that that city

748
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,640
on a hill, that that shining
example that God will bless you

749
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,600
with peace, prosperity and
protection.

750
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,360
OK.
And prosperity doesn't mean

751
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,800
necessarily always means wealth,
right?

752
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,880
I don't want to turn the gospel
into a prosperity gospel.

753
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,760
I don't think that's the kind of
prosperity God is talking about.

754
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,320
I think he probably means more
like families, a robust society

755
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,280
where where crime is low and,
and, you know, people can make

756
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:36,880
it sort of a thing.
What I speak next, I speak in

757
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,960
broad generalities.
I am not singling out one group

758
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,480
over another.
But we all have to get back to

759
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,120
being a little more Mormon than
what we're doing right now.

760
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:59,720
Otherwise, as we throw God out
by not following up, by not

761
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:05,760
following him, by not living up
to that covenant well, you can

762
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,440
expect those blessings of peace,
prosperity, and protection to be

763
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,200
withdrawn.
I want to be very careful here.

764
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,840
I don't think God caused this to
happen.

765
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,520
I think God allowed this to
happen.

766
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,880
It's kind of my views on most
sin that we we end up paying a

767
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,280
price for.
God doesn't want to reach out

768
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,200
and just smack us upside the
head even though we deserve it.

769
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,080
A lot of times God simply just
gets out of the way and like,

770
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,400
OK, you don't want to do this
without me, Go ahead.

771
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,200
But I'm going to let you reap
the natural, the natural

772
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,040
consequences of your actions.
And he just lets it happen.

773
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,200
And so I, that's what I'm saying
could have happened here, right?

774
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,200
This is a call to to get back to
who we are, to stop what we're

775
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,800
doing as if we are partaking in
Babylon in any way.

776
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:14,080
Now is the time to stop, turn
180�� and go back to the

777
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:22,800
Mormonism that was was more of
what God intended it to be, not

778
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,560
what it is or has turned into
now because of our various

779
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920
things.
And I think this is a call to

780
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,440
each Mormon individually to take
stock in your life.

781
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,000
What is it in your life that is
preventing you from moving

782
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,360
forward?
I have done a lot of soul

783
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,760
searching this week, Jeff, a lot
of soul searching since

784
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,440
Wednesday afternoon.
There are things that I need to

785
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,560
do better.
There are things that I need to

786
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,200
do to be a better man, a better
priesthood holder, a better

787
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:03,320
husband, and a better father.
And I'm committed to doing those

788
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,640
things.
Now, I'm not always going to be

789
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,760
perfect, but I'm going to try
like hell to be, to be those

790
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,640
things that that quite frankly,
God expects me to walk up to and

791
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,320
to be.
I, I want to be clear on

792
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,840
something else.
I think the adversary was

793
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,840
sending a message as well.
Oh, it was.

794
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,920
It was like watching a couple
guys weighing in for a big UFC

795
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,800
fight, you know, the drama, the
smack talk, you know, and the

796
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,520
battles coming.
You know, I mean, what's already

797
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,280
happened was the battle.
But one of the interesting

798
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,520
things that that struck me as I
went back and, you know, all of

799
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,600
a sudden, of course, my feed,
you know, from my, my YouTube

800
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,480
feed was full of Charlie Kirk
stuff and different things.

801
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,480
And I watched a little piece
where he talked about what he

802
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,960
foresaw or what the biggest
problems for the West or

803
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,720
Christianity.
Judy, you know what are the

804
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:03,360
biggest?
Problems.

805
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,080
I was, I was going to say it's
probably worthwhile to define

806
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,200
what he means by the West,
right?

807
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,720
So when when someone like
Charlie Kirk or political

808
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,240
pundits mention the West,
they're not talking about

809
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,360
necessarily one specific
geographical location.

810
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,240
What they're talking about is a
school of thought.

811
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,920
And if we talk about what
Western culture has been, it's a

812
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,760
global, it's kind of a global
call here, right?

813
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,680
It's Europe.
It's it's the parts of the

814
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,280
Mideast.
It's it's a school of thought.

815
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,440
It, it has a lot to do with the
judeo-christian ethics, right?

816
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,240
That was the West and out of
the.

817
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,800
West what sprang?
Yeah, what what came out of the

818
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,000
West was, was quite frankly
everything we've enjoyed for the

819
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,080
last 100 years, right.
That was that was the fruit of

820
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,600
of those those ideas.
So anyway, go ahead, Jeff,

821
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,840
sorry.
No, that's, that's really good

822
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,400
to define it because it was
really interesting as I watched

823
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,120
just a real short clip where
where he started saying somebody

824
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,720
asked him the question, what are
the, what is the biggest threat,

825
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,040
you know, to our way of life
here in America and to the West?

826
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:23,960
And, you know, when his answer
was woke ISM and communism and

827
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,840
institutional lot, you know,
basically are institutions that

828
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,480
preach such things.
And I, I sat back and I thought,

829
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,760
Oh my goodness, you know, once
again I felt like I was

830
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:44,920
listening to President Benson
speak in the 70s and 80s.

831
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,440
No, we haven't even hardly dare
say the word communist since

832
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,640
then, You know, and in the
church we have this very, very

833
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,240
profound storyline that that is
throughout the entirety of the

834
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:02,720
Book of Mormon about this, the
the shadowy underbelly of their

835
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,000
beast, which was called the
Gadiant robbers.

836
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,440
You know, the deep state, shall
we say, of of those ages.

837
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,040
And we were warned time and time
and time again based on that

838
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:19,120
same covenant that is attached
to this country, that any

839
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,920
country who has it will not fall
if they worship truly the God

840
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,280
that is Jesus Christ, the God of
this land.

841
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,240
And so, you know, we understand
these things.

842
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:36,080
And yet President Vinson in my
youth was warning over and over

843
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,880
again, even to, you know, the
the embarrassment of some of the

844
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,280
members of the church at the
time just didn't even want to

845
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,560
listen to President Vinson
couldn't wait till the next

846
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,120
prophet took over because he was
so political.

847
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,280
But he was just, he was just, he
was warning the people.

848
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,880
And that warning has come true.
It's true.

849
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,040
All of our institutions are rife
and filled with the ideology

850
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:12,160
that he warned against 60 years
ago, and many people spoke about

851
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,440
it.
Throughout my life, I've gone to

852
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,280
firesides and different things.
But we didn't do enough.

853
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:26,520
And now the control almost
rests, you know, almost rests

854
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,840
completely in the hands of
individuals that we don't even

855
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,200
understand or know are pulling
the strings.

856
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Absolutely.
And yet here's Charlie Kirk

857
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,360
saying the same thing that
President Benson said 60 years

858
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,040
ago.
Now was it make him, it makes

859
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,000
him a man who was tuned in.
It makes him a man who can look

860
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,560
at the system and go, oh, oh, we
got, we got a thought pattern

861
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:56,040
here that is going to destroy
our people.

862
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,800
And he's willing to stand up and
talk about it.

863
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:07,680
So, you know, our culture has
known of this stuff openly for a

864
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,200
long time.
And here we are and all of our

865
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,520
institutions.
Or if there's anybody out there

866
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,560
who can hear me, you know, for
whatever it's worth, teach your

867
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,680
kids, get your kids out of the
system.

868
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,800
You know, part of the weirdness
of this, you know, they, they as

869
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,360
of today, they kind of caught
this guy.

870
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800
And the governor was talking
about how sad he was.

871
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,320
And I agree that he was, you
know, born and raised in Utah

872
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,440
and came from a family.
I don't know.

873
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,200
I didn't hear whether they were
Mormon or not.

874
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,480
But somewhere in between his
high school years and what he

875
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,520
did, he went to college and got
compromised.

876
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,280
Yeah.
And he's Antifa.

877
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,040
He's a communist.
OK, So what happened to this

878
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,000
young man?
I don't know.

879
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,080
He went to a school to taught
him something different than his

880
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,680
whole culture taught him.
And I'm, I'm, I'm vastly

881
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,240
generalizing the the story of a
person that I don't know

882
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,880
personally, you know, this is
all this.

883
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,560
I'm so take that for what it's
worth, but he certainly

884
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:23,800
committed a crime in a in a in a
very public fashion.

885
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,120
That was different from what you
would think looking at the

886
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,840
family album that's been paraded
before the world of his growing

887
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,120
up.
And you sit back and you go how,

888
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:38,680
how, how can this be?
Anyway, the early brethren

889
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,400
talked about that too, You know,
absolutely.

890
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,560
And over the minds of our
children to men who know not

891
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,400
God.
Then we will lose them.

892
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,920
Brigham Young Brigham Young was
talking about not letting your

893
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,400
kids attend government school in
the mid. 1000s Oh, John Taylor

894
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,720
called it out and said, if you
know so little about, about the

895
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:06,840
nature of God and and the
progression of humanity as to

896
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,960
let your children be taught by a
godless man, I mean, you don't

897
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,280
deserve to be there.
You know, they, they knew they

898
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,920
knew these things.
But so, you know, this goes way

899
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,560
deep.
This just goes way deep.

900
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,880
And I know we're touching on
subjects that are just almost

901
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,400
taboo.
And they have been, I mean,

902
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,240
people threatened to burn my
house down 30 years ago because

903
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,680
I talked about the school system
and I pulled my kids out of

904
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,360
school, right?
So I know that when you touch a

905
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,560
nerve on something as simple as
education, they will threaten

906
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,400
your life.
And so here's Charlie Kirk going

907
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,320
out into the inner sanctum of
what has been taken over and

908
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,040
completely controlled by this
ideology.

909
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,440
And he's willing to stand up and
try to teach the kids that are

910
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,720
in there the other side of this
coin, the other side of the

911
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,760
truth, so that they're not
compromised.

912
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,880
We need to be called repentance
for that.

913
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,240
We just send them off.
Yeah, dude.

914
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:09,920
Go get a get go get yourself a
degree and a good job. 100%

915
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,920
There's a couple things I want
to want to dive into there.

916
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:18,080
First off, I remember I believe
it was in his own voice.

917
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,200
It was Ezra Taft Benson and they
were talking about he was

918
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,840
talking about an exchange he had
with Nikita Khrushchev and

919
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,480
Benson had went over on kind of
a goodwill mission to well,

920
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,480
first Khrushchev and his boys
came over here and then I

921
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:45,320
believe Benson flew over with to
to look at their AG right,

922
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,520
because Benson was under Nixon.
Was it Nixon?

923
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:49,520
You can correct me if I'm wrong.
He.

924
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,000
Was the Secretary of Agriculture
right after?

925
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,520
The under under Nixon, right?
No, I don't think so.

926
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,280
I think it was right before
Nixon, but it was right over to

927
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,200
help rebuild Europe.
OK.

928
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,400
At any rate.
But this is when the

929
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,360
apostleship, he wasn't the
profit at the time that he was

930
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,760
in the Secretary of Agriculture.
But I don't know the dates.

931
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,040
I wasn't born.
Yet anyway, he went over and him

932
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,400
and Nikita Khrushchev had an
interesting exchange.

933
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,360
You can find this video on
YouTube by the way.

934
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:24,840
And Khrushchev, they they get to
talking about their different

935
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:31,400
political ideologies.
And Khrushchev looks at Benson

936
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,640
and says, one day you're
grandchildren or great

937
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,720
grandchildren will live under
communism.

938
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,880
And Benson said, not my
grandkids.

939
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,760
My grandkids will know the
difference.

940
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,960
And you know what?
I'll bet most Americans, they're

941
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,240
going to know the difference.
And Khrushchev smiled at him.

942
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,880
And he says, you don't
understand.

943
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,720
We'll just feed you dribs and
drabs of socialism until you

944
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,400
have communism.
We'll do it slowly.

945
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,040
Well, what has happened today?
Yeah.

946
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:12,680
That's that's the fruition and
we're they're they're almost

947
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,320
there, Jeff, like it's not
they're not far off now, to be

948
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,920
right, honest with you and look.
They're calling what it is.

949
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,320
They're they're coming right out
and, and calling, you know, and,

950
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,280
and Charlie Kirk calls it right
out as communism.

951
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,280
He didn't say socialism, you
know, he said, he said he said

952
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:34,280
the Marxists and the Democratic
Marxists, the communists and and

953
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,840
President Benson wrote a book
called Socialism, the Royal Rd.

954
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,920
To Communism.
Yep.

955
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,280
It's a great book.
He he knew, he thought.

956
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,960
But see, these are all prophetic
things that now, 60 years later,

957
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,880
have become reality in our
world.

958
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,120
And now we have a fight on our
hands that's so monumental.

959
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:59,240
It's going to be really, really,
you know, I mean, we're looking

960
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,000
at, we're looking at the
possibility of, of severe civil

961
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,480
unrest, you know, even to the
fulfillment of a lot of the

962
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,520
predictions of, of another civil
war based on the hatred and the

963
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,480
anger and the divide that is
almost, I watched several videos

964
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,520
today from from state
representatives to just people,

965
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,960
but they're all willing to speak
up and they see no way out.

966
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,760
And you have on the one side the
cheering, the cheering and the

967
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,000
Glee at the death of a man.
And on the other side they're,

968
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,760
they're saying you're not, you
know, So what?

969
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,280
It's just that there's a fight
brewing And and it's, it's a

970
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,720
fight we don't want to live
through.

971
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,400
I mean, we're going to, we're
going to live through it.

972
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,840
But you understand what I'm
saying.

973
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,040
No, I get what you mean.
This is the time where a prophet

974
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:51,600
told us if we didn't repent
6050, forty, 3020 years ago that

975
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,520
we would see these days.
And now we're seeing them.

976
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,800
And so here we go.
You know, I want to go back to,

977
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,440
to, to something else, right?
The family, the, the

978
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,800
proclamation on the family,
Jeff, that thing came out the

979
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,120
year I became a Mormon.
I was baptized in 95.

980
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,560
That comes out, I think 90 late
95 early 96.

981
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:21,160
I could be wrong, but at any
rate, I remember reading it and

982
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,600
I was kind of like unimpressed,
right?

983
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,480
Because I'm like, well, yeah,
no, no kidding, right?

984
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,600
Like this is, yeah, you're
you're right.

985
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,320
I don't know why you're
reminding us of this, but you're

986
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,200
right.
And, you know, everybody you

987
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,360
know who was Mormon framed it
and hung it in their home,

988
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,840
right?
That was just what you did.

989
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,640
Your your wife would go off to
Relief Society, make a cute

990
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,560
little little frame, and then
you'd hang it up and it would be

991
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,560
Relief Society eyes and it was
hanging in your front room.

992
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:58,640
And I was like, why?
Why does this have to be a

993
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,600
revelation?
Right?

994
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:04,680
Like, I I don't get it.
This is self-explanatory. 20

995
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,080
years later.
Like 20 years later. 30 years

996
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,240
later, I guess.
Excuse me.

997
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,040
Yeah.
That thing's more relevant than

998
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,760
ever, right?
Like, that thing may have been

999
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,520
been like, not a big deal back
in 95, but today, Yeah, that

1000
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,480
thing's kind of spicy, right?
No.

1001
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,040
Gender's immutable God doesn't
make mistakes.

1002
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,560
You're born into the, into the
correct body.

1003
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,800
Dads, you have the
responsibility to go out and

1004
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,280
earn a living and, and, and
support your family.

1005
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,520
Moms, you're the, you know, you
have the most sacred role of

1006
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,960
raising the next generation, and
all that's turned upside down

1007
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,240
today.
Every bit of it.

1008
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,680
The pressure to move beyond that
is mounting.

1009
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,000
You know.
To, to make some kind of

1010
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,960
statement modifying that.
And there's no doubt that that

1011
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,000
pressure has been really quite
severe for a decade or so.

1012
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,560
You know, even probably when
they came out, they were aware,

1013
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,120
no doubt, and felt like there
had to be something done.

1014
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,720
So an Amen to that.
But now I think that I, you

1015
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,720
know, I really think that's
probably what, what, you know,

1016
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,240
what Charlie was saying by, I
mean, he just called it out.

1017
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,800
Yeah.
No more of the no more of this

1018
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,880
stuff, no more this crazy stuff
that undermines the family and

1019
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,840
and we're waltzing pretty darn
close to the line.

1020
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:44,680
Absolutely, absolutely.
And we cannot be shocked now,

1021
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,000
right?
I mean, look, we all are, right?

1022
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,640
I'm shocked.
You were shocked.

1023
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,040
Everybody was shocked.
And we all felt it to our car,

1024
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,480
dude.
Like I thought, man, why am I

1025
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,600
weeping over this?
I don't know this man.

1026
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,680
I you know, I've saw him a few
times.

1027
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,800
What is happening here?
Other men that I knew, men that

1028
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,400
you would know, Jeff all told me
the same thing, right?

1029
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,000
I I can't, I can't This this is
rough.

1030
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,440
What?
What is happening here?

1031
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:22,880
We all felt this, and I think we
all felt this because this

1032
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,640
wasn't a this wasn't an
assassination just from a

1033
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,120
political standpoint.
This was an assassination from a

1034
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:37,240
spiritual standpoint.
There are those there that do

1035
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,360
not like our way of life, and
that's OK.

1036
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:51,840
They don't have to like it, but
nonetheless, we who have a

1037
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,520
testimony of this way of life,
it's incumbent upon us to keep

1038
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,400
living it no matter what and to
keep defending it.

1039
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,880
I'm going.
To get real nerdy on you for

1040
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,840
half a second.
Oh please, you.

1041
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,400
You like nerdy stuff?
I didn't even know what that

1042
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,520
meant till my kids started using
the nerdy and the younger

1043
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,320
generation taught me that I was
a nerd in some things.

1044
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,200
You know that there was that
moment in the first Star Wars.

1045
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:20,520
Sorry, here I go on Star Wars,
right?

1046
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,800
Now you're talking my language,
Jeff.

1047
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,439
Sorry people, where?
I know where you're going, I

1048
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,439
think, yeah.
You got Luke and you got Obi Wan

1049
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,439
teaching him the basics of how
to be a Jedi.

1050
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,359
And he he's learning the skills,
you know, with his lightsaber.

1051
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,279
And all of a sudden the Empire
uses the new weapon.

1052
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:47,160
They use Death Star to make a
point, they choose a system and

1053
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,040
they assassinate.
I believe was called Alderaan.

1054
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,080
Was that it?
I don't know.

1055
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:59,520
They wiped out a planet, right?
To make a point that no one

1056
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,560
could contend with them.
Be afraid.

1057
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,760
We're in control.
And it affected Obi Wan so

1058
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,720
deeply that he had to sit down.
And Luke was like, what's

1059
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,560
what's, what's going on?
And he just, he just had to

1060
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,560
describe to him that there was
this lift in the force.

1061
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,800
You know, call what you want
from a spiritual perspective.

1062
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:27,160
If you're tuned in, if you have
compassion in your soul, if you

1063
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:34,680
have the light of Christ and you
try to to help and love, then

1064
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,520
something like this effects you
at such a deep level.

1065
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:43,080
Because it was a call out by the
adversary with an intent to

1066
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:48,240
create fear across the board
from one side of the spectrum

1067
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,640
directed at the other.
And that's what we're feeling.

1068
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,720
We're feeling a call to war from
the devil himself.

1069
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,960
He's letting us know.
The reality is he is.

1070
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:13,920
Luckily, Christ overcame and if
we will follow his words and

1071
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,560
keep his commandments, then we
will overcome too.

1072
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:21,720
And death is just a little, you
know, that's I've been really

1073
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,720
grateful to watch, you know, the
different things and listen to

1074
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,360
the different people of
Christian faith in their their

1075
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,840
hopes of, you know, Charlie's
peace and his rest.

1076
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,320
And we have those same hopes,
you know, for a man who's

1077
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:41,600
willing to give his life for his
testimony of Jesus Christ for

1078
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,520
him.
And so there's an example for us

1079
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,520
in the face of this outright
evil call from the adversary.

1080
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,360
And the answer should be to put
on the full armor of God and to

1081
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:01,920
stand up and to be the person
that you know you are.

1082
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,400
If there are things in our lives
that we lack, we absolutely need

1083
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,880
to repent.
There's nothing wrong.

1084
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,040
There's nothing.
In fact.

1085
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,560
That is the plan, this course of
love as laid out by the Lord.

1086
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,200
When we do something wrong, we
repent.

1087
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,480
If there's something to miss, we
change it.

1088
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,560
That's not a terrible thing.
That's a good thing.

1089
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,160
We should exercise that right
and that privilege every time we

1090
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:35,160
need to and become 100%.
So as long as we move, Yep.

1091
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,200
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
It's a, you know, it's just a,

1092
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,560
but it affects us, Dave, we feel
it.

1093
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,080
And, and many, many people from
all walks of life, you all you

1094
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,840
have to do is go and look and
you have, you have two different

1095
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,680
shades out there.
You have those that are just

1096
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,480
awestruck by what's happened and
they they feel it.

1097
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,760
And then you have those that are
jumping up and down in Glee for

1098
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,920
somebody else losing their life.
Absolutely.

1099
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,240
The lines have been absolutely
Yep.

1100
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,440
And.
Yeah, there's not a lot of room

1101
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,760
for Grey anymore.
The middle on this is almost

1102
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,960
gone, you know.
Absolutely.

1103
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,680
And, and we've been told that
that, that that's one of the

1104
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,320
things, the great sifting of the
last days, you know, the, the

1105
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:19,520
drama is forcing everyone to
choose, which is a part of why

1106
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,520
we're here anyway.
Absolutely.

1107
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:26,240
Choose ye this day whom you will
serve Absolutely.

1108
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,400
There's so there's there's all
these things.

1109
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:33,360
And so now we have that call
again to us to get ourselves,

1110
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,560
you know, Isaiah would say, come
out of her, O ye my people, that

1111
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,400
you be not partakers ever since,
as it would say, get to a place

1112
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:48,000
of safety and then live the
gospel and prepare for the

1113
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,200
coming of the Lord.
That's what Isaiah would say.

1114
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,760
We believe Isaiah, I think we
had to take heed to those words

1115
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:59,400
absolutely anyway.
Just it's it's so deep and yet

1116
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,120
here it is.
It's happened and it's going to

1117
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,000
continue to happen because time
is moving.

1118
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,320
Yep, Yep.
No, you know, there was another

1119
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,680
something else somebody said,
pointed out.

1120
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:19,320
Do you remember what the name of
Charlie Kirk's organization was?

1121
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,960
Turning Point USA.
Turning point.

1122
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:26,640
Yeah, kind of.
I find that interesting because

1123
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,880
I think now we we've just hit a
turning point.

1124
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,880
I think, I think, I think the
seasons have changed again,

1125
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,080
Jeff.
And I find myself saying that a

1126
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,360
lot these days, but I don't
think that it's not true.

1127
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:44,000
I think that that things are
hastening now in such a way that

1128
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,640
to ignore that we do it our own
peril.

1129
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,000
So we've kind of laid this out
right.

1130
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,520
We've defined what a profit is.
We've defined that, you know,

1131
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,600
there's profits with a capital P
that stand in the priesthood and

1132
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,920
then there's kind of cultural
prophets who try to move society

1133
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,640
in a direction in a very general
way back towards the the

1134
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:14,120
judeo-christian ethic that that,
that most of America had

1135
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,760
subscribed to it one time or
another.

1136
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:22,240
Charlie was definitely one of
the latter and and he's gone now

1137
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:29,640
and the message has been sent.
So Jeff, what does what, what do

1138
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:35,760
we do now?
I think that everybody needs to

1139
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,880
probably search inside their own
heart and ask the Lord exactly

1140
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,480
what He has for them and what
they need to accomplish in the

1141
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:49,320
time that's left.
I think those members, those

1142
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:56,200
people who were raised, born and
raised in the culture that you

1143
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:00,640
and I were born and raised in
and, and who all of us who

1144
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,680
believe that there's a
responsibility that comes, you

1145
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,680
know, with priesthood.
Priesthood is such a double

1146
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:16,440
edged sword.
You know, it's only only works

1147
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:20,160
if we're righteous.
It's taken from us if we try to

1148
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:26,040
use it improperly to our own, to
our own, you know, to our own

1149
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,800
downfall.
But what kind of responsibility

1150
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,120
do we have to stand up not only
for our families and our

1151
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:36,000
children, but our neighbors?
You know, I think it's, what is

1152
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,360
it, DNC 8210?
I don't know.

1153
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:39,800
Look it up.
I think that's it.

1154
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,440
Yeah, I'm probably wrong, but
look it up.

1155
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,440
I'm I'm looking it up right now.
Anyway, if it's the right one,

1156
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,280
basically says and it becometh
every man who hath been warned

1157
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:59,160
to warn his neighbor.
And if I'm wrong, oops.

1158
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:10,720
Almost there, bear with me
821010 I've award and bound when

1159
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,080
you do what I say, but when you.
So look over there.

1160
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,520
It's close to that.
It's in that same verse or in

1161
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,160
that same chapter, I believe.
All right, There is a verse in

1162
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,520
the Doctrine and Covenants.
That says.

1163
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,600
And it becometh every man who
hath been warned to warn his

1164
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:34,680
neighbor.
While you're looking that up,

1165
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,320
Dave, I just want to ask the
rhetorical question.

1166
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,440
Do we have to be a prophet to
warn our neighbor?

1167
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,840
No, no, it sure would help if we
had a prophetic gift.

1168
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:54,120
And if if the Spirit of Prophecy
is nothing but an intense

1169
01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:01,960
manifestation of the testimony
of Jesus, then all of us should

1170
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:08,400
become prophets and feel deep
within our soul the

1171
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,360
responsibility to warn.
It becometh every man.

1172
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,640
Did you find it?
Where was it?

1173
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,760
I did.
It's 8881.

1174
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,560
Behold, I sent you out to
testify and warn the people, and

1175
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,160
it becometh every man who have
been warned to warn his

1176
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:27,280
neighbor.
I was 6-7 chapters off, all

1177
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,720
right, Have to repent.
Anyway, think about that for a

1178
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,080
minute.
As far as you know, I, I, I

1179
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,120
caught a lot of Flack, obviously
from, you know, family and

1180
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,960
friends and people in my journey
coming out, you know, actually

1181
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,640
becoming a fundamentalist.
You know, well, you, you've lost

1182
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:47,840
your priesthood, you've done
this.

1183
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,360
And how can you, what authority
do you have to, to say this or

1184
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,520
to do that, You know?
But as far as the things we're

1185
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:00,920
talking about tonight are
concerned, in our tradition, in

1186
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,440
our Scriptures, the Lord has
said, it becometh every man who

1187
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,720
hath been warned, right?
Warn his neighbor.

1188
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,400
Warn us about what?
Well, what is it that you've

1189
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,840
warned about been warned about
that the Spirit has told you is

1190
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,520
true.
You know that that that's an

1191
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,480
individual thing The Lord would
have would love to have a nation

1192
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:25,480
of prophets.
Where's the what's the I don't

1193
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:32,600
know the exact verse or in in
the life of Moses where he said,

1194
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,120
oh, would that all men were
prophets.

1195
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,640
You know, yes, Joseph
reiterated.

1196
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,480
Yeah, Joseph Smith reiterated
that, right.

1197
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,480
Yeah.
No, we look, that is a gift that

1198
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:51,120
I think we can all enjoy if we
if we take the time to foster

1199
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,800
it.
Well, it's tied to the testimony

1200
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,160
of Jesus.
Yeah.

1201
01:18:55,400 --> 01:19:00,840
So if our testimony of Jesus is
is, and if we believe enough,

1202
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:06,840
then he will give us that gift
because that is then extension

1203
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,440
of a testimony of Jesus and then
with.

1204
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,960
But you know what, be careful
because now you have a

1205
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,040
responsibility.
It just can't be Willy nilly

1206
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,120
throwing stuff out, you know,
and trying to Lord over people.

1207
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,240
Absolutely.
So, you know, here you have this

1208
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,400
man whose message was very
central to the things that we

1209
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,640
all believe.
And he gave it and he came and

1210
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:38,520
visited, you know, our people.
He was murdered in in our the

1211
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,600
heart of our homeland with
friends and family around a

1212
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,600
tragic, tragic event.
And in the course of that, the

1213
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:51,560
things that he did say had very
interesting implications to our

1214
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,160
community.
Yeah.

1215
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,560
It was the first was religious
and he dealt with it in that

1216
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,320
manner.
He wasn't allowed to finish it.

1217
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,280
They just he was just killed.
Yep.

1218
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:12,200
So, so interesting.
I, I encountered a video right

1219
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:16,120
and and look, I think this goes
into legacy a little bit, right.

1220
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,840
There's an interesting video
that I saw and it was a woman

1221
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:26,680
who was now probably in her
early 30s who had three babies

1222
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,840
stay at home mom.
And she talked about when she

1223
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:40,920
was in college where where
Charlie had gone early in his in

1224
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:46,440
his calling and she was really
considering abortion.

1225
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:52,320
She had, you know, the same
story we always hear Guy tells

1226
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,520
her that he loves her.
She gives in.

1227
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,960
They they have premarital sex.
She ends up becoming pregnant.

1228
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:05,320
He vaporizes.
She's left out in the cold and

1229
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:10,680
she's honestly thinking about an
abortion and she encounters Kirk

1230
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,320
and he talks her off the ledge
and she has the baby and she

1231
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:19,760
ends up merit finding a good man
who raises that baby as his own.

1232
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:25,440
She has a couple more kids and
that's a legacy.

1233
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:28,880
He saved a life, right?
Maybe he even helped a couple

1234
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:33,080
lives come into being by by
helping her to not take that

1235
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:34,960
step.
That's a legacy.

1236
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:42,000
Now, I just asked you the
question, what do we do now?

1237
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:55,320
Well, Wednesday, yesterday, the
rest of this weekend, for those

1238
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:59,960
of us who didn't know Charlie
well, me and you, other men, a

1239
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:03,080
lot of other people, it's time
to mourn.

1240
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:10,520
It's time to mourn.
It's a time to take stock of who

1241
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:18,720
we are as individuals, find out
where we are lacking, and then

1242
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,000
repent of those things.
I had one of my good friends on

1243
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,960
here named Ken Peterson.
Shout out to him.

1244
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,640
Good dude, active faithful
member.

1245
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,240
The ODS church wrote a great
book called Mormonism in the

1246
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:40,320
Apocrypha.
We were doing a two-part series

1247
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:48,240
on Hugh Nibley and Nibley has a
near death experience where he's

1248
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:54,200
shown the other side and he gets
to converse with beings on the

1249
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:58,320
other side.
Some angels, and through the

1250
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,040
course of their conversation,
they basically tell Nibley,

1251
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,000
look, we envy you guys.
We envy you who are still in

1252
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,520
your mortal probation.
And Nibley say, was shocked.

1253
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,400
Why would you ever?
And envy us, we have this flesh

1254
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:21,280
that is weak, that it gets hurt.
We're subject to illness, death

1255
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,800
and decay.
And the Angel says, yeah, but

1256
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,440
you guys can repent so much
faster than we can.

1257
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,280
And Nibley is quoted as saying,
so let's give three cheers for

1258
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,840
repentance and get to repenting,
right?

1259
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,520
We shouldn't look at repentance
as a bad thing.

1260
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:47,600
That is an opportunity to do
things better, to ask for

1261
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,960
forgiveness, surrender those
things to the Lord, and then

1262
01:23:50,960 --> 01:24:03,360
move on.
Likewise, Jeff, you were a

1263
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:09,840
wrestler, right?
Wrestling is a complex sport.

1264
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:13,040
People who never done it don't
quite understand.

1265
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,920
I heard one guy refer to it as
it's a physical chess.

1266
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,680
It's a, it's a chess match with
dire physical consequences,

1267
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,760
right?
You got to be thinking about

1268
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,880
your next move as you you know
before as, as your opponent is

1269
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,400
making his move.
You got to think about your

1270
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,560
counter and then your offensive
move after that.

1271
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:44,000
OK with that.
It takes a long time to learn

1272
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,360
Jeff, you were you and I have
talked you were a good

1273
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,200
wrestling, you were a great
wrestler in school.

1274
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,200
Did you ever make a mistake
while you were wrestling?

1275
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,760
Not.
All the time.

1276
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,200
OK, what would have happened if
you would have just given up and

1277
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,480
just said, you know what, this
is who I am and I'm just going

1278
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:04,800
to keep keep this mistake
because it's part of me.

1279
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,320
Yeah, no, my progression would
have stopped all.

1280
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,560
Right, it's it's the same for
people who learn how to put hit

1281
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,160
a one wrong note.
You don't just give up and walk

1282
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,120
away.
You just say, OK, I'm going to

1283
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,680
do it better than this time,
right?

1284
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,240
I'm going to find out what I did
wrong.

1285
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,200
I'm going to find out what
caused it.

1286
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,280
And then I'm going to make sure
I don't do it again.

1287
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,920
I'm going to try really hard not
to do it again.

1288
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,680
And most people, they'll make
make a mistake again and they

1289
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,280
got to go back and they got
fixed that.

1290
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,760
It's a silly premise that you're
willing to give up your whole

1291
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,040
exaltation because you made one
mistake.

1292
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,240
That's silly.
Get over yourself, OK?

1293
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,360
There's no sin that you've
committed that Savior cannot

1294
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:56,280
rectify, given that you haven't
killed anybody or denied the

1295
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,080
Holy Ghost, Right?
And so repent.

1296
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,320
Get the crap out of your life.
Now, there's more I have to say

1297
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,120
here, but Jeff, I could tell
there was something you wanted

1298
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:06,880
to add.
Go ahead.

1299
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:08,720
Where you start talking about
wrestling.

1300
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,040
It is the sport of the gods.
It is Jacob did it.

1301
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:16,240
Yeah, he did.
It was great.

1302
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:23,960
No, I mean the the word
repentance, because it's been so

1303
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,120
misaligned or maligned over the
history of the world.

1304
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:33,720
Whenever anybody stands up and
cries repentance, the people who

1305
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:39,160
don't want to kill them.
And so it's become this bad

1306
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,640
thing, right?
But like you said, in wrestling

1307
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,840
or in anything else in life that
we endeavor to become good at,

1308
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,440
we call it practice.
Show up for practice.

1309
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:54,920
That's where you get better.
It's where you it's where you

1310
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,840
can experiment.
It's where coach can teach you

1311
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,520
new things.
It's where you can get beat in

1312
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,640
front of your peers and be OK
with it.

1313
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,440
It's where they forgive you
because they work together and

1314
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,720
you're beating them and they're
beating you.

1315
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,520
And, and as long as you don't
quit, long as you endure to the

1316
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,800
end, then you get another chance
to show forth what you've

1317
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,240
learned in the next Friday's
meet in front of everybody, your

1318
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,240
girlfriend, your family, the
whole 9 yards.

1319
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,560
And if you desire to become
better in that sport, you have

1320
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,240
to go through that process for
years and decades.

1321
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:34,040
And, and, and so it really is an
interesting process, but we

1322
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:40,360
think of our own lives And if
somebody says to us, you know,

1323
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:45,440
you need to repent, we, we take
offense when the way we should

1324
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,120
look at it is what they're
saying is when's the last time

1325
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,240
you've been to practice?
You know, you haven't showed up

1326
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,560
to practice.
And if the Lord says it to you,

1327
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,880
then then he means it is like,
when's the last time you

1328
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,240
practiced being a good husband?
When's the last time you

1329
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,200
practiced helping your neighbor,
loving your children, you know,

1330
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,440
but whatever, because it's the
practice that makes us better at

1331
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:11,360
whatever it is we choose to do.
You know, Mormons are a weird

1332
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:16,400
lot and we, we want to seek for
perfection, which is the

1333
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:20,720
ultimate, you know, weird thing
because we can't perceive of

1334
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,760
ourselves being perfect.
But nonetheless, God has

1335
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,920
commanded us to become like him
in whatever way we can.

1336
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,920
So I'm, I'm not ashamed to
proclaim that, you know, that

1337
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,920
that's biblical, that's Book of
Mormon, that's all over and the

1338
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,320
scriptures I believe in.
So it means I'm, I'm just

1339
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,880
thankful that I have a lifetime
to work on it.

1340
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,480
You know, I have a lot of days
to go back to practice and

1341
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,080
families are where we learn the
most.

1342
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:53,000
Go figure, you know, a wife and
children, couple wives, you more

1343
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,120
children, whatever it is you
choose to do, that's where

1344
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,120
you're going to learn.
And that's where the repentance

1345
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,720
comes in which the practice
comes in, because we're

1346
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,040
confronted with ourselves every
day, every day that we have

1347
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:08,280
interaction with our neighbors
or politically, you know, now we

1348
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,720
live in a pretty tense time
because it appears the match is

1349
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,280
going public and our actions are
going to be viewed.

1350
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,960
And so how we interact and
whether we partake in the, you

1351
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,720
know, the, the things that we
detest and the violence that

1352
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,520
that's going to be rampant or
whether we protect and preserve,

1353
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:31,040
you know, there is a difference.
And so I, I really believe that

1354
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:37,920
that we need to consider wisely
men and women, families,

1355
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,600
fathers, mothers, children,
youth, that as these days come

1356
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:48,520
upon us, we need to consider
wisely our actions, be strong in

1357
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,520
the faith, be willing to stand
up and preserve and protect.

1358
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:58,880
That is a calling from God and
it is our basic, our basic

1359
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,840
commandment is to protect our
own lives.

1360
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:08,640
Absolutely, absolutely.
We we've never been asked to

1361
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,200
turn the other cheek and not
preserve our life.

1362
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:13,960
Now, if we've made a covenant,
you know, there are certain

1363
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,440
elements where, where the, in,
in Mormon history where people

1364
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:19,960
laid down their lives because
they'd made a covenant to never

1365
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,800
fight again.
And I understand that and that's

1366
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,480
OK.
But as a general rule, God

1367
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:32,040
expects us to do all we can to
preserve the freedoms of this

1368
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,920
land so that we can at least
even worship Him in truth.

1369
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,880
Absolutely.
And so here we sit and here we

1370
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:45,040
are, and we've all talked about
it before, but what can we do?

1371
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,720
What more can we do?
How can we affect our own life

1372
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,600
and our children?
How can we live in such a way

1373
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:54,680
that will one take us out of
harm's way while we live, if

1374
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,840
that's possible?
I'm always, everybody knows,

1375
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:58,480
it's listen to me.
I'm just an advocate.

1376
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:02,280
Get out of the cities, remove
yourselves from from the

1377
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,000
conflict.
If you can find a place, ask the

1378
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,920
Lord where you should go.
If he says stay, stay.

1379
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,160
That's not for me to judge.
Between you and the Lord.

1380
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,800
No.
But I'm here to say, remove

1381
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,400
yourselves as a general rule.
Jeff's crying a warning.

1382
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,720
Get out of Babylon.
Get yourselves into the race

1383
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,440
where you can, where you don't
have to make the decision to

1384
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:31,920
preserve your life every day as
you walk wherever you want to go

1385
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,960
with your family, you know,
because those days are coming.

1386
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,960
And, and I think we all feel it.
That's another part of what's

1387
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,280
going on.
We feel this, Oh my goodness,

1388
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,600
that changed things because now
there's violence and they're

1389
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,800
encouraging violence.
And the people that normally

1390
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,800
would have just been over there
and we'd have been over here.

1391
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,880
Well, now they're fighting and
they're hurting and they're

1392
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:59,000
crying out for pain and
suffering, and so we're going to

1393
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,480
see more of it.
But you don't have to stay

1394
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:05,560
there.
Find a way to live a simpler

1395
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,320
life.
You know, God's always asked us

1396
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,000
to be outside of that kind of
wickedness, to be away from it.

1397
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:15,720
So see if you can find a way.
If the call is there, Lord will

1398
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,680
open the door.
Take your family, love them, you

1399
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,160
know, do all the things that
you've been doing and ask what

1400
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,480
you can do better because we
need to be prepared.

1401
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,920
We need to create systems of
safety and places where people

1402
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:37,120
can be and live in peace to the
best of our abilities. 100% OK,

1403
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:42,680
I thought about this a lot.
What I'm about to say next.

1404
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,400
We talked about repentance.
This should be a call to

1405
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:55,200
repentance for us.
We should, as I said before, the

1406
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:59,560
rest of this week until Monday,
for those of us that didn't know

1407
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:03,480
the man personally, take stock
of where you are in your life.

1408
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,240
Find out.
Go ask the Lord.

1409
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,200
What is it you're doing right?
What is it you can do better?

1410
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,920
What is it you need to start
doing and do that?

1411
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,640
Get the crap out of your life.
The time is.

1412
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:32,160
The time is here that you need
to get that out of your life

1413
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:37,720
because if you're alive right
now, if you're listening to this

1414
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,960
podcast, it's not an accident.
It's not a coincidence.

1415
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:45,000
You're here for a reason.
You're here on this planet at

1416
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,280
this time and these moments for
a reason.

1417
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:51,680
I don't know who I'm talking to,
but I feel like I'm talking to

1418
01:33:51,680 --> 01:34:00,530
somebody out there.
The message that was trying to

1419
01:34:00,530 --> 01:34:07,930
be sent by Satan and by his
emissaries is one of sit down

1420
01:34:07,930 --> 01:34:15,650
and shut up.
I rule this place now and with

1421
01:34:15,650 --> 01:34:23,640
every fiber in my being.
No, no, Now, once you have

1422
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:29,080
cleaned out the junk in your
life, you need to stand.

1423
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,080
You don't need to fight.
Do not strike out an anger.

1424
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:39,920
You just have to stand.
The time for half measures are

1425
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:44,400
gone.
The time of the the the the

1426
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,760
Sunshine Mormon, to borrow and
then tweak a phrase from Thomas

1427
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:55,360
Paine, is over.
It requires men and women of

1428
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:05,960
character to plant themselves
like a rock, lock arms and say

1429
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:11,080
no more.
No longer will we be quiet.

1430
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:17,960
For too long we, on this side of
things have been have been

1431
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,200
content to stay silent.
And look, I get it.

1432
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,320
I get being tired.
Trust me, I understand.

1433
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,760
More so than I'll ever let many
of you know.

1434
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:34,320
But that's no longer an excuse.
You're going to have to find

1435
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,360
your spiritual strength.
You're going to have to find

1436
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,000
your physical strength.
And you are going to have to

1437
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:47,680
stand now and not be quiet.
If you've prayed to the Lord and

1438
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,640
the Lord says, hey, there's a
message I need you to share.

1439
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:55,040
It's incumbent upon you to share
that message because you will

1440
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,480
reach somebody uniquely that
only you can reach.

1441
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,600
And you may look at it and say,
gosh, I'm just one guy, I'm just

1442
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:10,640
one woman, I'm just one kid,
whatever it is, yes, you are.

1443
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,280
And you know what?
You can change things right now

1444
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:21,040
again.
Be peaceful, but be firm in the

1445
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:27,320
gospel.
Stand your ground, not one more

1446
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,800
inch.
This is not a time now for fear.

1447
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,680
Fear was on Wednesday and
Thursday.

1448
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,720
Today is Friday, tomorrow is
Saturday, then you have Sunday.

1449
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:42,360
Get your butt to church.
And I understand that some of us

1450
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,440
are independent fundamentalists,
and that's great.

1451
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,400
Church is with your family,
studying the scriptures,

1452
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,720
partaking of the sacrament, and
standing.

1453
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,480
But get your butt to church,
whatever that looks like for

1454
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:01,240
you, and repent and clean that
out.

1455
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:08,480
And then stand put on the full
armor of God and deliver the

1456
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:15,960
message that the Lord has asked
you to deliver and declare it

1457
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:20,040
nobly.
Don't be bashful any longer.

1458
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,360
Souls.
Now hang in the balance.

1459
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:30,000
If there's one positive to come
out of this, I have seen a lot

1460
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,960
of people that used to be on
that side of the spectrum who's

1461
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:38,480
have said I can't be here now, I
can't be on this side that

1462
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:43,520
continues to try to take life.
They're going to need someone to

1463
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:48,040
minister to them.
Perhaps that's you and I don't

1464
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,240
know who you are exactly, but I
know your heart.

1465
01:37:52,120 --> 01:38:02,360
I've felt it at times.
I'm going to be honest.

1466
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,040
If it's only one message that
you feel like you have to share,

1467
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,680
call me.
I'll, I'll platform you.

1468
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,840
We'll have a discussion on the
phone and then I'll bring you

1469
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,040
on.
I don't have a problem with

1470
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:15,920
that.
There are so many wonderful

1471
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:20,360
people that I have encountered
because I've done this despite

1472
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,600
not wanting to.
I have been so blessed by doing

1473
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,840
this because of the people I've
been able to meet, Jeff being

1474
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:31,760
one of them.
But the time is over and action

1475
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,920
is needed and action is not
violent.

1476
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:41,560
Action is just standing, saying
no to the insanity, speaking

1477
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:46,640
truth, testifying of God and His
plans for us.

1478
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,000
And I think that's what, quite
frankly, I think that's what a

1479
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,640
guy like Kirk would want us to
do.

1480
01:39:01,220 --> 01:39:06,660
We have that opportunity now.
And look, whether this time in

1481
01:39:06,660 --> 01:39:11,380
history is just one more epic on
the way to the Savior's return

1482
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,360
or this is the winding up scene,
it doesn't matter.

1483
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:24,160
Somebody's making notes of this.
And someday, should we live that

1484
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:29,280
far, or if it's on the other
side in the Millennium, our

1485
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,360
children and our grandchildren
are going to say, Grandpa, I

1486
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:37,000
just read about this time in
history and I realized you were

1487
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:42,800
in it.
What did you do and do you want

1488
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,200
to have to be the one to look
your kid in the eye and say, I,

1489
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,200
I farmed this out to somebody
else to do, Are you going to be

1490
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,560
able to say, you know what?
I felt like I had a message to

1491
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,960
share.
So I went on this this crazy

1492
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,480
guy's podcast and I shared the
message that the Lord put on my

1493
01:39:59,480 --> 01:40:04,680
heart or gosh, you know what, I
was inspired to start an

1494
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:08,440
organization.
Go start the organization.

1495
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:12,880
And I'm going to say something
else here.

1496
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,200
Sometimes you got to be the
change you want to see.

1497
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,440
The Lord doesn't give you
thoughts and ideas.

1498
01:40:24,440 --> 01:40:28,560
So you can be like, man, I wish
I really had that.

1499
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:34,320
If He's giving you that a desire
and you don't find anything

1500
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,960
around that looks like that, you
know what that means?

1501
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,480
That means you got to go do it.
That's your job.

1502
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,560
That's your calling.
Go, go get it done.

1503
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:50,520
Last election cycle here in
Missouri, they snuck a bill

1504
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:56,360
through.
And I say snuck because the

1505
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:01,560
right side of the political
spectrum did not do their due

1506
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,280
diligence in winning.
They took for granted that, you

1507
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:05,120
know what?
It's Missouri.

1508
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:06,600
It's one of the reddest states
in the Union.

1509
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,600
We're going to be fine.
But it was about abortion.

1510
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,160
Well, guess what?
They got it passed.

1511
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:20,240
And I heard a lot of people talk
as I went out to lunch in

1512
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:29,920
Stockton or Springfield or or
wherever, and people would say,

1513
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:35,680
man, if there was only something
that I could do, you know, gosh,

1514
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,960
this is horrible.
And just whining, whining about

1515
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,600
how bad things are.
Yeah, it sucks.

1516
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,520
But guess what?
You could be that change.

1517
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,000
Maybe you should open up a
counseling Center for women in

1518
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,880
crisis, Right.
Doesn't take a lot.

1519
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:59,040
A phone and an ability to answer
it, and you'll grow and you can

1520
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,240
help.
But whatever the Lord puts on

1521
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,880
your heart, now is the time.
Now is the time.

1522
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:10,480
There's no more time to put it
on the back shelf.

1523
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,840
The seasons have changed again.
It's all hands on deck.

1524
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,600
Look, if the LDS Church does
right, I'll hang with them.

1525
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,320
I'll absolutely hang with them,
right?

1526
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:28,840
Maybe not on Sundays, but I'll,
I'll, I'll stand shoulder to

1527
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,520
shoulder with anybody who says
correct principles.

1528
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:37,160
And that's where we're at.
And I think that's the calling

1529
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:42,440
of our time now.
You don't get to be a spectator

1530
01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:44,520
any longer.
You got to get in the fight.

1531
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,440
You don't have to lash out.
Don't be violent.

1532
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:54,520
We lose if we're violent, but
stand, stand nonetheless.

1533
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:01,320
And I firmly mean that with
everything in me.

1534
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,960
And I hope, I hope whoever it
is, it's meant to hear that they

1535
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,160
pick that up.
Jeff, anything else you want to

1536
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,080
add?
Just Amen.

1537
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,920
Amen.
Brother Dave sure love you.

1538
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:21,040
I love you too, brother.
Anything you want to add to

1539
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:26,720
finish up, Jeff?
No, I think that we've covered a

1540
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:31,720
lot.
I think that I think that you

1541
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:39,240
wrapped it up quite nicely.
We need, we need to be about the

1542
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:43,320
Lord's business, you know?
Absolutely.

1543
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:50,000
Whatever that means in our own
lives and all is not lost.

1544
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:56,080
That's, that's the deception of,
of the great deceiver.

1545
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:01,760
The truth is the Lord is coming
and he is the King of kings and

1546
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,720
he has power over the adversary.
And you have a spark within you

1547
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,960
and I have a spark within me.
And we've been called to be

1548
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:13,520
lights on a hill as everybody,
the savior asked everybody to be

1549
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,640
a light on a hill to help their
neighbor.

1550
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,960
And if we're doing those kinds
of things, then the light chases

1551
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,960
away the darkness and you find
yourself in a group of people

1552
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:29,120
who have strength between them
and the spirit of the Lord's

1553
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,120
with you.
And it doesn't matter what

1554
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,920
you're moving forward.
It doesn't matter if you get

1555
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,680
rolled over, you know, and
you're all gone.

1556
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:40,640
Because that's part of the
beauty of the program.

1557
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,440
Absolutely.
After this one, the life after

1558
01:44:44,440 --> 01:44:49,280
this one is is glory beyond
comprehension.

1559
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,920
If we're found doing the things
that God asked us to do,

1560
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,040
absolutely.
So.

1561
01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:00,320
All is not lost, however, unless
we throw away our time and join

1562
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,400
the other side.
Yeah.

1563
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,520
So endure to the end.
Keep going to practice, become

1564
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:11,960
as good at being you, whoever
you are, as you can, and let

1565
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,960
your light shine.
Warn others, talk to others, be

1566
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:22,200
active and thank God for the
gospel, for his Son, absolutely

1567
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,600
for the atonement of Jesus
Christ and what it brings into

1568
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,520
our lives and how it refines us
and builds us and gives us hope,

1569
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:35,720
even when the great deceiver
stands up and does things like

1570
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:41,000
this.
Absolutely, Jeff.

1571
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,200
I love you buddy.
Love you too, Dave.

1572
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,640
Let's do this again, but let's
do it under happier

1573
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,960
circumstances.
I agree.

1574
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,640
All right, I just want to tell
the audience how much I love and

1575
01:45:54,640 --> 01:46:01,600
appreciate them.
I am continually shocked that as

1576
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:03,360
many of you tune in as what you
do.

1577
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:07,440
I understand this is not a
professional operation I have

1578
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:10,200
here.
This is a full time job that

1579
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,600
that I try really hard to make
look good.

1580
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,800
Not really a job, there's no
money involved.

1581
01:46:16,440 --> 01:46:20,320
But it is a calling and I am so
thankful that all of you show up

1582
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:25,400
here week after week, put up
with me so you can get to my

1583
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:27,600
guests who are really the ones
that make this role.

1584
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,880
I have felt like I've come to
know you over these last three

1585
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:39,800
years, not individually, but
collectively.

1586
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:44,680
I I, I feel your desire for
righteousness and I'm bolstered

1587
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,680
by that and I just love each and
everyone of you that TuneIn here

1588
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:57,080
consistently find solace this
night and get ready to stand.

1589
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,000
The time is here.
We don't need to be violent.

1590
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,480
We just have to stand.
I leave that with you in the

1591
01:47:03,480 --> 01:47:07,360
name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Jeff, hang out for 5 minutes.

1592
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:09,360
Everybody else will talk to you
next week.

1593
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:42,720
Bye.
You're listening to the Mormon

1594
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:44,160
Renegade podcast.