Episode #194: The Endowment Of Power W/David Nielsen

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The.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Well, Dave #2 man, you're back.

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Yep.
How's things been going?

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Really good, just staying busy
and taking care of family, all

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that so.
I hear you.

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I got to tell you we we had a
great reviews off the last one

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we did, so I'm super excited for
this one too.

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It was such a good conversation
and I've been really looking

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forward to this one since you
brought this up last week.

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I'm like, Oh yeah, 'cause
that's, dude, that's one thing

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that like, unless you're willing
to do some deep digging, this

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subject, the endowment of power,
it's one of those things that I

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like, I don't care what part of
Mormonism you're from.

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I don't feel like people have a
real good handle on it.

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Yeah.
Well, and, and one of the things

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about it is that we're so used
to the term endowment, You know,

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it's in our temple.
We, we, we all understand what

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that is, or at least if you're a
studier of Mormonism, you

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should.
But this, this subject is just a

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little different.
And we, it plays a part in the

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temple and all that.
And it's, it's very important.

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But but this endowment of power,
this is something just a little

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different.
And we're if we can, maybe we'll

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go through this kind of start
you on a story.

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This is I'm gonna, I'm gonna
relay a story for you the same

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that it was for me.
And it might resonate with some

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people.
So, so this, this kind of

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started as I was reading the
Joseph Smith story in the Pearl

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grape price and there was just a
quote.

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So in that, in that section,
when when the Angel Maronite

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comes to Joseph on September
21st, 18201823, you know, we've

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always heard over and over, oh,
he gave that quote from Malachi,

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right, And changed the wording.
And this is the foundation for

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our temples and the word for the
dead.

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And I think that's exactly
right.

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That is what that is.
But that's not the only

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scripture he quoted, and it
caught my eye when he quotes

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another scripture, he says, you
know, he quoted this from

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Malachi.
He quoted this, this other verse

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different.
And then he says in addition to

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these, he quoted some other
chapters, some other chapters,

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11 chapter of Isaiah, saying it
was about to be full.

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He also quoted the 3rd chapter
of Acts, 22nd, 23rd verses

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precisely as they stand in the
New Testament.

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But then he also quoted from the
Old Testament prophet Joel and

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he actually quotes this this
exact or he says exactly what

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verses it was.
He quoted from the 2nd chapter

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of Joel from the 28th verse to
the last.

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He also said that this was not
yet fulfilled but was soon to

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be.
And he further stated the

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fullness of the Gentiles was
soon to come in and other

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scriptures, which I wish he
would have laid out all the

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scriptures because I think Merle
and I knew what he was doing.

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He came he was revealing the
scriptures needed to lay a

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foundation for what Joseph's
work was.

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But I read this and I thought,
what is the 2nd chapter of Joel,

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the 28th verse to the last.
So it's it's not very long and

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I'll just read it real quick.
28th Verse Second chapter of

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Joel.
And it shall come to pass

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afterward that I will pour out
my spirit upon all flesh.

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Your sons and your daughters
shall prophecy, your old men

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shall dream dreams, your young
men shall see visions.

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And also upon the servants and
upon the handmaidens in those

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days will I pour out my spirit.
And then he talks about some of

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the end times, you know, show
wonders in the heavens and the

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earth.
Sun shall be turned to darkness,

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the moon into blood.
And we've heard all these

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things.
But then at the end it says it

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shall come to pass, that
whosoever shall call upon the

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name of the Lord shall be
delivered.

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For in Mount Zion and in
Jerusalem shall be deliverance,

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as the Lord hath said, and in
the remnant who the Lord shall.

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Call.
There's a lot there to unpack,

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just just in that one little
verse.

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There is a lot, but it's just
interesting that this isn't the

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only time that these verses
specifically end up in our

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scriptures.
There was another time where

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these same verses were quoted,
and it was on the day of

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Pentecost.
Interesting and see that was

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that was one of those things
that that I had thought of when

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you were first reading it.
I'm like, you know, all these

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people having these miraculous
the fruits, you know,

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experiencing the fruits of the
Spirit, right?

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Kind of reminded me of Pentecost
a little bit.

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Yeah, well, and that's so Day of
Pentecost.

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And they have all these people
speaking in tongues.

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And, you know, we know the story
while Peter was there and the

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people all gathered were all
amazed.

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Are not these all that speak
Galileans?

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And how can we hear them in our
own tongue?

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And and they were amazed and in
doubt, and some said some were

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mocking.
And they said, well, these men

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are full of new wine.
I just want, I just want to take

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that and pin it because we're
going to come back to that quote

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later.
But Peter standing up with the

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11, lifted up his voice and
said, Ye men of Judea, and all

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ye that dwell Jerusalem, be this
known unto you, and hearken unto

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my words.
For these are not drunken as you

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suppose, seeing as it at the
third hour of the day.

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I mean, it's 9:00 in the morning
and they says, but this is that

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which is spoken by the prophet
Joel.

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Boom.
He starts quoting it right

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there.
So, you know, and I started

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putting that together and I
thought this is interesting

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because the Lord is laying out a
Pentecostal experience, you

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know, at least the foundation
for it, for Joseph to say this,

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this experience of the last of
the last days that will come

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where he will pour out his
spirit upon all flesh.

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And then I started to think,
what's the what happened at

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Pentecost?
Why was that such a big deal,

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right?
Because, you know, they had this

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happen and there was all these
gifts manifested and, you know,

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people were converted.
There was quite a few of them.

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And the ministry really began
right after that where the

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apostles begin to go forth.
And then I was reminded of a

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quote that the Savior gave right
before he leaves.

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So this is I mean, this is not
long before the day of

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Pentecost, a few days, if I'm
not mistaken, maybe maybe a

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little more.
And right before the Savior goes

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up in Luke 2449, he says, and
behold, I send the promise of my

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father upon you, but tarry ye in
the city of Jerusalem until you

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be endued with power from on
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OK, so he tells them you're
going to be in doubt that that's

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in do and Dao is is the same
word.

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It's received this gift from
power from on high.

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They stay in Jerusalem, it's for
the Passover, it's the Passover

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time, and then they're at the
temple or close to, and that's

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when they received this
blessing.

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And afterwards the gospel starts
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Gotcha.
So let me ask you this question.

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If I'm if, if, if this is
something we're going to cover

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later, just tell me.
Tell me so and we'll stop.

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But like, I find it interesting
that the Lord says, do not start

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your ministry until you have
this right very clearly.

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And then we see it right?
The day of Pentecost happens and

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that's when they leave, right?
Like it, it seems like it paints

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a picture that there's no doubt
that they knew that, OK, this

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has happened, we're good now.
So my question is, is before we

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go preach the gospel, should we
be exhibiting some of these

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things?
Well, let's this is, I mean,

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you're not wrong.
We're going to go into this and

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pretty deep because this, this
exact same process is repeated

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in Joseph's day.
OK.

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So we'll go back to the story
just so that you now you have an

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understanding at least what
caught my attention with this.

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Joseph receives the Angel
Moroni.

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He gives them this foundation.
They go forward.

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They do the Book of Mormon,
which he says the power to

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translate the Book of Mormon was
a gift.

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But they move on to the
organization of the church, as

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we all know, April 6th, 1830 and
the church starts moving

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forward.
They, they start gathering

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people.
But there's a promise given that

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they should not go preach until
you until they are in doubt.

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But that kind of comes a little
bit later.

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But they so December of 1830.
So this is a few months later,

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Joseph receives so 6 about 6-8
months later, Joseph receives

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Revelation DNC 38.
It's actually the same one we

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talked about in the law of
consecration 'cause they're tied

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together and he says gather to
the Ohio.

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This is 38, verse 32.
Wherefore for this, 'cause I

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give you unto you the
commandment that you should go

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to the Ohio.
So all of her calories come

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through.
Just a bit of back story.

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He's been preaching the gospel
along the way and he preaches to

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a bunch of people in Ohio and
Kirtland area.

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And this is where Sidney Rigdon
and the Morleys, Edward

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Partridge, they're all from
there.

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So the Lord tells Joseph we need
to go to the Ohio, and he's

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already talked about the New
Jerusalem.

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They're gonna go there too.
But go to the Ohio, where I will

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give you my law, which was
Section 42, the laws of the

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Church and the law of
consecration.

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But then he says something else.
And there in the Ohio you shall

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be endowed with power from on
high.

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And from thence whosoever I will
shove a fourth among all

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nations, and it shall be told
them what they shall do.

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For I have a great work laid up
in store.

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For Israel shall be saved, and I
will lead them whithersoever I

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will, and no power shall stay my
hand.

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Repeats that same pattern over
again.

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And you know, for for a lot of
years in the LDS Church, I think

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the that the common
understanding of this was This

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is why missionaries got endowed
before they went out into the

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field, right?
But here it can't be talking

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about the endowment proper
because Joseph hasn't received

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at least all of that yet.
I do think he was probably

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working on a portion of it, but
he hadn't received the ordinance

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in full yet, so it can't be
that.

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Right.
And then for the purposes of

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this conversation, we should
separate this.

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We should say the, the, the
endowment is, you know, proper,

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as you say, the endowment
ceremony, We should call that

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the ordinances of the endowment
because that's what they are.

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And the endowment of power is
the spiritual gift and blessings

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that come from proper adherence
to, to law.

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And even the ordinances of the
endowment, they're tied in.

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And we're going to go into how
this process grew because

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there's more.
So he tells Joseph later on, you

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know, in that same revelation,
verse 38, he says when men are

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endowed with power from on high
and sent forth, all these things

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shall be gathered unto the bosom
of the church.

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And he's talked about gifts and
blessings and all these things.

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So another, the next revelation,
DNC 39 verse 15 says I have kept

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in store a blessing such as not
known among the children of men,

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and it shall be poured forth
upon their heads and from fence

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men shall go forth into all
nations.

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So it's very clear you receive
your endowment, you go out to

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the nations and I say why?
This ties into, you know, the

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church.
Now you receive your endowment,

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you get sent on a mission.
You see the ordinances of the

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endowment, you can send on your
mission.

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Well, I look at it this way.
If you're going to be an

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effective missionary, wouldn't
you want to know for yourself?

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Like the most effective
missionaries I've ever met are

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ones who have a firm footing in
their own testimony.

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And this gift of power is in
them because men are not the

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ones preaching here.
It's right, they preach by the

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gift and power of the Holy
Ghost.

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You know, when it's come to
missionary work and I, I think

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this will tie in, I'm sure later
on.

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I, I've always had a thought in
mind, which was Jesus in the

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Holy Ghost, they can do their
own work, right?

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We weren't, we're not probably
going to convince anybody,

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right?
I'm just not that smart.

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No one's going to be that
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our role as missionaries is we
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appointment setters, right?
Point them to the Savior and let

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him do his work and he can get
that done and then be there to

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help out along the way.
But I think you can only do that

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if you are in touch with the
Spirit, right, 'cause you are

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going to have to say something
that's going to to ignite that

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fire.
Yeah.

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Well, what are you bearing
testimony of that your parents

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taught you the truth?
Is that all you can bear

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testimony of?
Or can you bear testimony that I

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have received for myself the
gift and power of God.

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I know for myself that the Holy
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of men, and I am willing to help
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Yeah, exactly.
And I think that's why you need

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an endowment of power.
Absolutely.

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Absolutely.
And and I think these scriptures

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also help to dispel another
common myth.

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And I've heard it a lot all
across Mormonism.

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It's not unique to the LDS
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But when someone does a mission,
especially some of the younger

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guys, they'll come back and say,
well, I really had my conversion

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on my mission.
And I'm like, well, I'm not sad

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that that happened, right.
I'm glad that that happened.

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But ma'am, what else could you
have gotten done had you been

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converted before you left?
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And we will start to see this,
this principle preparation

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become very clear in the next
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Joseph's life because they
received this, this promise, go

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to the Ohio and there you'll be
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Well, they go to the Ohio.
Five days later Joseph received

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Section 42 and they consider,
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It won't be long before we're
endowed with this power in

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another revelation which isn't
contained in the in the Doctrine

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Covenants, but it was to Ezra
Thayer and it's in the words of

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Joseph papers, Joseph's paper
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What am I saying?
Joseph Smith paper project and

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it's revelation 15th of May
1831.

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So this is later and the Lord
tells Joseph, let my servant

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Ezra humble himself and at the
conference meeting he shall be

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ordained unto power from on
high, and he shall go from

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thence, if he'll be obedient,
proclaim my gospel unto the

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western regions with my
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So and then he says, and it will
be given unto you, Joseph, to

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know what you shall do at the
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So he's commanded in a prior
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They're, they need to hold a
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and Ezra should be ordained from
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and he's going to go out and
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Well in June they hold this
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June 3rd, June 4th, I think it
was like maybe 2 days the best I

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can tell.
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consistent.
First part of June they hold a

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conference and it's the day that
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first time in the church.
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that is that just a few months

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prior, Joseph has been
translating the Bible, and he

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translates what is now knows, I
think JST chapter 14 of Genesis,

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which talks about Melchizedek,
Melchizedek being ordained a

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great high priest after the
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And then Joseph does this
conference and he ordains a

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bunch of men.
Well, Joseph only ordains a few,

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but he ordains Lyman White and
Lyman White a few others.

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They ordained a whole bunch of
maybe 40 something man high

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priests.
And Joseph says this is the high

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priesthood.
They've established the high

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priesthood now and they
considered it an endowment there

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because some saw visions and
there was great manifestations.

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At this meeting we have 6 or 7
accounts of of the devil taking

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over Harvey Whitlock and a few
others.

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And the prophet cast him out
right.

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And you know, even Hiram's like
this is not of God.

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We need to fix this problem.
But there are others, Lyman

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White included that he said that
he saw the he saw the Father in

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heaven.
And Joseph said that he saw the

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Father and the Son, and that was
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And so this seems to be this
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I mean, we have, well, I can't
remember his name, a journal, a

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journal entry from a man who
said he considered this

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fulfillment of Section 38, which
was that they received this

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endowment from on high, endowed
with power because they had been

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ordained.
There had been, you know,

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visions and.
And other manifestations of the

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spirit and other things which
they they mention but don't

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really talk about.
So it seems like there was this

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great spiritual outpour.
But it also seems that after

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this is done, Joseph is greatly
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he isn't satisfied.
He does I it comes across in

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some of his letters that he felt
that this wasn't the full

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endowment that was promised, but
it was a stat.

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So what's the next thing he
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He receives revelations later on
that year to build a house in

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Kirtland, House of learning, the
Section 88, House of prayer,

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House of fasting, you know, all
those things that we have.

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And the other thing he does is
within a short amount of time,

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maybe a year or two, he sets up
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And I think what he's, and y'all
just just me, spoke of David, if

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you will, putting this together.
I think he realizes that in

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order for men to truly receive
the full endowment of power,

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they need to be prepared.
And you can't just just expect

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men to to be there.
You've got to work with them.

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You've got to help prepare them.
So he sets up the school, the

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prophets, they start building
the House of the Lord.

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They they do Zions Camp 12 or
chosen.

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You know, all this is happening
and I don't think it's all in

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connection with this, but it
it's moving in this direction.

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This is.
A big deal.

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I was going to say.
It is fascinating that all these

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things that, that really the
church starts to take on a form

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that like, it's my contention as
Mormons today, it would have

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been hard for us to really
recognize the church in the

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Kirtland era, right?
Because it was, it was a little

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different.
It was a little abstract.

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Still Joseph still, you know,
he's figuring stuff out too.

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And so it's not till Nauvoo.
However, we, we, we can't just

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brush Kirtland off, right?
Kirtland's a huge step in this,

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and I do find it fascinating
that all the things that we talk

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about that are kind of
distinctly Mormon within our

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within our framework, the Quorum
of the 12 Temples, that sort of

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thing, that it gets its first
incarnation right after the Lord

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starts talking about this, this
endowment of power.

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Right.
And even even to give you a

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little teaser, we get our
presentation of the endowment or

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the endowment ordinances, I
think due in a large part to

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Joseph's translation of the Book
of Abraham.

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Right.
Which he does in the upper rooms

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in the Kirtland Temple.
Right.

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Yep.
So Yep.

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So this is all leading to
something.

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And here Joseph is working with
the brethren.

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He's recognizing that they need
this school, the prophets well

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before you can really start to
teach people, you know, you got

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to teach him the basics and he
starts teaching them how to read

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and write and and this so that
they are, you know, prepared

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prepared to do the work that's
devolving upon them.

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And as they move forward with
the temple, these there's

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several other things that Joseph
says that that that revelations

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he's received and no doubt light
that is coming to them, that

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there's a way to receive this
endowment of power.

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And they're going to call it a
solemn assembly.

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This is what the Lord calls it,
that there's a Pentecostal

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outpouring of the Spirit where
the gifts are manifest, where

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you know for yourself.
And there's so the solemn

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assembly start tying in to this
and download power in some way,

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but it's rituals in the temple,
the first ones, you know, And

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so, but I want to read something
from well, as we get into the

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solemn assembly, I think it's
important to recognize what some

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of those are.
So this this quote from Joel,

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you know where he talks about
this at the very beginning, he

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says the first one that I read
first.

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First he says, and it shall come
to pass afterward.

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OK, that's where the Angel
starts with Joseph.

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But in the scriptures there's
already a bunch of story before

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the Lord is laying out to Joel
what he needs to do.

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And he says, he says therefore
also now all this is, but he

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tells him in verse or in chapter
1, he says, OK, Joel, gird

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yourselves and lament the
priests, how he ministers the

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altar.
Come lie all night in sackcloth

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and repent.
He ministers of my God, and

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sanctify ye a fast all, a solemn
assembly.

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Gather the elders and all the
inhabitants of the land into the

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House of the Lord your God, and
cry unto the Lord.

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Alas for the day, for the day of
the Lord is at hand.

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And as destruction from the
Almighty, it shall come.

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And then in chapter 2 he says,
He says therefore also now say

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to the Lord, turn ye even to me
with all your heart, and with

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fasting, and with weeping, and
with mourning, and rend your

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heart, and not your garments,
which is, I think, a key.

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He's talking about something
inside.

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And turn again unto the Lord
your God, and it.

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Sounds a lot like a broken heart
and a contrite spirit.

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It is and he's telling Joel and
Joel lived in this time where

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he's restoring some things to
the people and then verse 15 of

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chapter 2, blow the trumpet in
Zion, sanctify a fast call a

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solemn assembly, gather the
people, sanctify the

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congregation.
This is key.

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So he's so Joseph is following
this moment.

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He's gathering the people
through knowledge, through

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ordinance, through all these
things.

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He's sanctifying the
congregation and assembling the

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elders.
Gather the children.

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Let the bridegroom go forth out
of his chamber and the bride out

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of her closet, just saying, get
them all there.

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Let the priest, the ministers,
weep before the Lord, the porch

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and the altar, and say, and let
them say, Spare thy people, O

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Lord, and give not thine
heritage to reproach, that the

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heathen shall rule over them.
Then will the Lord be jealous

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for his land and pity his
people, And ye shall know that I

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am in the midst of Israel.
I am the Lord your God and none

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else, and my people shall never
be ashamed.

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Essentially what he's talking
about is this ancient covenant

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that Moses tried to get the
people to establish that we will

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be his people and he will be our
God.

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That was verse 27.
The next verse, And it shall

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come to pass afterward, that I
will pour out my spirit upon all

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flesh.
There it is.

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So, so I'm, I'm reading this and
I'm like, OK, gather the people,

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sanctify the people, teach them
knowledge, all them all

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together.
And if they come with a proper

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motivation, rend their hearts,
not just their garments, and

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prove to me by covenant that I
will be thy, I will be their God

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and they will be my people.
I will pour out my spirit upon

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them.
I thought that just makes a lot

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of sense to me.
And I think this is what Joseph

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was trying to do in Kirtland.
Something to this effect?

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You know, that is, that is
fascinating because now I'm like

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racking my brain thinking of a
time where either a covenant

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with that exact wording or a
similar covenant was made maybe

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prior to the dedication of the
temple or something like that.

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Because I think, boy, if the
pattern's going to repeat, it'd

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sure be nice if it was there,
you know what I mean?

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Yeah, and we, I don't know if
we'll have time to dive into

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that much death, but there's
some interesting things in

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Kirtland.
But there was another time I

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found where this pattern was
also copied, and it didn't have

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anything to do with Joseph.
And this was King Benjamin.

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Oh yeah.
I could see that that's yes,

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that's.
Fascinating King Benjamin

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gathers the people and he
preaches them the truth that's

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given to him by the Angel and
the Spirit comes on them.

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There was a mighty change in
their hearts and they all

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,560
covenanted that they would obey
God, you know, and.

448
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,520
Interesting.
Oh, sorry, Dave.

449
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,760
No, go ahead.
The other interesting thing is

450
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,720
there's a temple in that too,
right?

451
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Which way were they supposed to
point their tents towards the

452
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,880
temple?
That is fascinating.

453
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,640
And again, something similar
happens at the Sermon on the

454
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Mount and the Sermon at the
Temple.

455
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Yeah, the Lord comes.
He preaches them the the truths

456
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,600
they received this knowledge and
the people have this outpouring

457
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,480
of the spirit that convinces
them of the truth.

458
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Now, maybe it's not the same,
it's the endowment of power, but

459
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,240
there is some interesting
similarities.

460
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,640
And also you have the I mean,
Sermon on the mountain, the

461
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,440
Sermon of the temple.
Those two are are a temple text.

462
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Yes, absolutely so.
So, you know, I just thought

463
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,200
there's, there's a few of these
times.

464
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,000
And then if you want to go back
to Moses, what does he do?

465
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Yeah, there's the people.
They he's preparing them

466
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,120
according to the word of the
Lord in Exodus to come up the

467
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,600
mountain and see the face of God
themselves.

468
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200
And 70 of the elders were able
to do this.

469
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,640
I think the rest are kind of
like it's a little much.

470
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,120
But the 70 are they become the
Sanhedrin.

471
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,080
They become the judges and Moses
stands at their head.

472
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,040
Well, I think this is supposed
to be consistent.

473
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,800
I think the Lord wants to have
his people who are touched by

474
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,760
his spirit.
But we see this same pattern

475
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,320
over and over.
And I'm, I mean, I only had a

476
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,240
little bit of time in my spare
time to dive in.

477
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,560
Some, some scholars are probably
going to go in and say, well,

478
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,680
this happens all the time.
This is consistent.

479
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Right.
Regardless, I I can't think of a

480
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,760
time where where this subject's
been talked about about in in

481
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,240
with these kind of connections,
Dave.

482
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,160
I have a strange mind, let's
just put that.

483
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,840
You and me both.
You and me both, but I guarantee

484
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,720
your mind's a lot better.
Mine usually revolves around

485
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800
sprucing up my fantasy football
team for the next season.

486
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,080
So.
Yeah, I haven't gotten to that,

487
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,960
but anyway, so we'll go back to
what Joseph is trying to do

488
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200
again.
He he there's several of these

489
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,560
quotes and I'll read 1 from
there's excerpts from the

490
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,760
teaching of the prophet because
it's so good and it's so

491
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,920
misunderstood.
But first, section 95 you know

492
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,920
he's and the Lord says that just
exactly what we're talking about

493
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,880
for the preparation verse 95
verse or Chapman 95 verse 4 for

494
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,040
the preparation wherewith I
designed to prepare mine

495
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,240
apostles to prune my vineyard
for the last time that I may

496
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,600
pass my strange act.
He says that I may pour out my

497
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:43,560
spirit upon all flesh.
And so then he tells them, Call

498
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,920
your solemn assembly almost the
same as as Job in verse 7 of

499
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,840
that chapter.
Call your solemn assembly, that

500
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,960
your fastings and your mourning
might come up to the years of

501
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,200
the Lord of Saboeth, which is by
interpretation the Creator.

502
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,200
And then he says, I give unto
you a commandment that you

503
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,400
should build a house, in which
house I designed to endow those

504
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,440
whom I have chosen the power
from on high.

505
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Boy, this and it and some of the
verses you read, it's almost,

506
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,240
it's more than the Lord just
asking.

507
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360
It almost feels like he's
pleading at times.

508
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Please come, please come here,
please gather up.

509
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,360
I want you to have this right.
Like trying to get us to to

510
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,800
focus in here.
This is something that I don't

511
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,640
know why, but it feels like that
it's almost a plea from from God

512
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:43,040
himself to his children on this.
Yeah, and Joseph understood the

513
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760
importance.
And I think as it gets closer to

514
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,760
the curtain temple being
finished, more light is being

515
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,800
given to him.
You know what what this is and

516
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,440
they so he starts giving words
of advice.

517
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,360
This is from page 95 of teaching
to the Prophet Joseph.

518
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,600
And it's been used to in the, in
the idea of the temple.

519
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120
And it's, it fits very well
because it's about the

520
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
endowment.
But in the context what we're

521
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,560
talking about, Joseph doesn't
know about the ordinances of the

522
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,719
endowment the way they are now.
Yet he knows about this promise.

523
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,159
So he says, page 95 the
endowment you are so anxious

524
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,800
about, you cannot comprehend
now, nor could Gabriel explain

525
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,800
it to the understanding of your
dark minds.

526
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,480
But strive to be prepared in
your heart, be faithful in all

527
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,719
things that when we meet in the
solemn assembly, that is when

528
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,400
such as God shall name out of
all the official members shall

529
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,600
meet, we must be clean every
whit.

530
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:01,120
And so he's laying out again, be
prepared, be faithful, be clean.

531
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,960
And there's a whole podcast you
can do on what it takes to be

532
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000
cleaned.
Absolutely.

533
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,120
You know, And it's interesting
because then we're getting right

534
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,040
up to Kirtland.
Joseph's been doing this

535
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,320
preparation work.
The temple's nearing completion

536
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,480
and the dedication is coming up.
But what does Joseph do in

537
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,040
January?
The salt, the dedication happens

538
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,280
in March.
What does he do in January?

539
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Takes the brethren form of the
12 and other leading members of

540
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,240
the church.
Takes them into the temple and

541
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,920
washes her feet.
Or no.

542
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,720
Anoints their head with water
and pronounces them clean.

543
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,160
And a few days later he anoints
their head with oil and

544
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,120
pronounces holy blessings upon
them, starting with his Father.

545
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,040
And so there's this preparation
point.

546
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,320
Now our temple has a washing and
anointing and what are we told

547
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,440
in the Washington 19?
And maybe this, this doesn't go

548
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,160
too far to say because I know
what we're not supposed to

549
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,000
reveal.
But one of the things that's

550
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,840
promised is that we are washed
to become clean from the

551
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,240
Bradenson's of this generation.
And we are anointed to rule as

552
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,800
kings and priests or to become
kings and priests, I should say

553
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,640
so, so that washing is to become
clean.

554
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,200
And I think that that has
something to do with this

555
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000
commandment.
Be clean every whip.

556
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,760
And you want it to be real, like
Joseph was preparing his people

557
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,640
so that it could be real, not
just OK, we're going to

558
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,720
pronounce everyone clean so we
can comply.

559
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,000
We're just going to run everyone
through the ordinances of the

560
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,120
endowment so that you comply
with the law.

561
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,360
But it's like the Lord wants us
to rend our heart, not just our

562
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,520
garments.
Right, right.

563
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,560
You're, you should have the
outward there, but the N word is

564
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,840
just as important, right?
If, if and, and it's funny, you

565
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,440
should bring that up because I
was just having a conversation

566
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,880
with a guy about this that yes,
the ordinances are of the utmost

567
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,800
important.
You can't get where you want to

568
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,800
go without them.
Having said that, the Lord is

569
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,240
aiming for something deeper,
right?

570
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,160
It's, it's not like if we're
just going to go through and

571
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:36,040
just like check boxes, well,
you're not, you're only going to

572
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,280
get out of it what you put into
it, right?

573
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,880
And if you're not going to
internalize some of that stuff

574
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,280
and make the effort to walk up
to those things and not just

575
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,200
walk up to them, but understand
them, right?

576
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,840
I think you're doing yourself a
disservice.

577
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,680
And you may even be taking the
things of God and treating them

578
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200
somewhat lightly if you're just
going to check boxes.

579
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Yeah.
And technically one of the 10

580
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,400
commandments is to not take the
Lord, the name of the Lord in

581
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,080
vain.
And when when we make covenants

582
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,760
without understanding them, or
rather with no intention of

583
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,760
keeping them, we are taking the
name of the Lord in vain.

584
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,880
And also that that ties into
sacrament, that ties into the

585
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,320
temple.
So and unless somebody so kind

586
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,480
of get back to this, unless
somebody recognizes or thinks

587
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,640
because they could say that
quote I just read from page 95.

588
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,560
Well, he could mean the temple
that the endowment we're talking

589
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,280
about.
Well, let's read on and see what

590
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,040
he says.
He says we must be clean every

591
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,480
whit.
Let us be faithful and silent.

592
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Brethren, that's interesting.
And if God gives you a

593
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,040
manifestation, keep it to
yourselves, be watchful and

594
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,080
prayerful, and ye shall have a
prelude of those joys that God

595
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,280
will pour out on that day.
Do not watch for iniquity in

596
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,920
each other.
If you do, you will not get an

597
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,240
endowment, for God will not
bestow it such.

598
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,120
So this is a blessing.
This is a blessing of the

599
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Spirit.
But if we are faithful and live

600
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,360
by every word that proceeds
forth from the mouth of God, I

601
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,960
will venture to prophecy that we
shall get a blessing that will

602
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,800
be worth remembering.
And if we should live as long as

603
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,080
John the Revelator, our
blessings will be such as we

604
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,320
have not realized before, nor
received in this generation.

605
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,600
The order of the House of God
has been.

606
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,120
This is the key.
The order of the House of God

607
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000
has been and ever will be the
same.

608
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Even after Christ comes and
after the termination of the

609
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,000
1000 years, it will be the same
and we shall finally enter into

610
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,960
the celestial Kingdom of God and
enjoy it forever.

611
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:04,000
That's a that is a lot, right?
Because now I'm trying to put it

612
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,120
all into perspective here a
little bit like there's, pardon

613
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,000
me, it's like this needs to be
done.

614
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,240
You need to have some some of
these experiences before you

615
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,880
probably ever set foot in the
temple.

616
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,520
Well, it should be.
There should be the desire and

617
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,040
the ability to prepare yourself
at least.

618
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,360
And because we see in the events
that happened in Kirtland, they

619
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,240
go through this washing and
anointing in January, in March,

620
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,160
they're going to dedicate the
building and they wash the feet

621
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,080
of everyone that's there.
There's elders and members and

622
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,120
high priests and 70s and
apostles.

623
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,280
There's, there's a bunch of
people there and they wash all

624
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,600
their feet.
I think Joseph in the First

625
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,960
Presidency washes the feet of
the 12 and the seven presidents,

626
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,640
the 70s who wash the feet of the
elders, who wash the feet of the

627
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,840
members.
And this happens.

628
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,960
And then Joseph dedicates the
building.

629
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,200
They're clean.
They're prepared through

630
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,960
ordinance and this work that the
Lord has and Joseph has been

631
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,160
doing with the people through
the help of the Lord, they're

632
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,040
prepared.
And what happens is we get this

633
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,320
Pentecostal experience, we get
this the rushing of wind.

634
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,640
You know, George A Smith is up
talking and they get this

635
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,080
manifestation and and it's like
they said the house was like it

636
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,720
was on fire.
You know, as you, as we all

637
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,880
know, the story, this is the
part of the story that's that we

638
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,920
all have heard.
Angels were on the rooftops and

639
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,800
the house was filled with His
glory.

640
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680
And this went on for several
days.

641
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,800
And they're this, they
considered this in part the

642
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,600
fulfillment of the endowment,
but there was other parts too,

643
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,120
as we know, they met again.
Well, I'm trying to get the

644
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,600
dates right.
It was a little bit later, I

645
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,960
think it was in April.
And that's when the Savior came,

646
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:09,680
and that's when Moses and Elias
and Elijah came to Joseph and

647
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Oliver and bestowed upon them
what we we say is the passing of

648
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,880
the keys or the fulfillment of
the keys.

649
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,160
And I think that's all part of
the endowment, if you will, this

650
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,520
endowment of power, which is a
combination of ordinance,

651
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,920
spiritual blessings, promises,
and ultimately authorities.

652
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,840
You know, I, I want to go back
to something real quick and

653
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,440
then, and then I also want to
comment on something you just

654
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,680
said, but back there where
Joseph was saying if you look

655
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,800
for iniquity and if you look for
iniquity in your brethren, you

656
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,720
will not get this.
The more there's been some

657
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:57,280
things lately I've read from
Joseph Smith that I've read for

658
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,640
all ever since I've been a
Mormon that are now starting to

659
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,040
jump off the page at me.
That's one of them.

660
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,360
The other one is the one where
he says, you know, if you don't

661
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,280
accuse me, I won't accuse you
and we'll go into the celestial

662
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,480
Kingdom together, right?
I think that's hugely important.

663
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,240
Now, it's a it's a tricky thing,
right?

664
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,960
Because we need to stand for
truth.

665
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,280
We need to stand for principles,
right?

666
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,480
But you got to do it without
automatically assuming the worst

667
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,920
of who you're contending with,
right?

668
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,080
And, and so this idea of charity
and not assuming the worst of

669
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,640
each other, I think it is a huge
thing.

670
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,600
And quite frankly, I mean,
Mormonism's history is, is 1 of

671
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,800
fracture, unfortunately, right?
Like if we can buck the trend,

672
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,560
that's a different thing than
than we've seen for quite a

673
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
while.
And I think that I, I think that

674
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,920
is, is a key right there is, is
throwing over ourselves and over

675
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,600
our brethren that cloak of
charity.

676
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,600
I think that's hugely important.
I mean, if if repentance is

677
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,560
honored by the Lord the way he
says it is, then why aren't we

678
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,760
quick to forgive as well or not
assume the worst of our

679
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,560
brethren?
Well, I'll just tell you one

680
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,720
thing about watch Looking for
iniquity.

681
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,240
Like he says, if do not watch
for iniquity in each other

682
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,560
because the person who's
watching for iniquity in each

683
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,600
other is because almost always
they have something to.

684
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,880
Hide.
Yep.

685
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,640
And they they are not worthy to
receive an endowment.

686
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,080
And and also you're tearing
down, just like you're saying,

687
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,680
the fundamentalist people,
Mormonism as a whole has been

688
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,840
this continual fracturing
because the devil knows us too

689
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,120
well.
And this, this blessing, this

690
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,960
endowment of power as Joseph is
trying to achieve it here was

691
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,480
not done individually.
This was done collectively in

692
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,040
Joel's day.
It was done collectively in King

693
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,760
Benjamin's day.
It was done collectively and

694
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,720
even in Moses's day.
So jealous is trying to

695
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,160
collectively bring people
together to receive these

696
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:28,160
blessings as a whole.
And if you are watching for

697
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,120
iniquity in each other amongst
your brethren, you are not going

698
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,040
to have the confidence in the
faith necessary with each other

699
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:44,920
to go and approach the Lord.
Not only that, but almost always

700
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,640
when you're watching for
iniquity in others, it's so that

701
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,240
you can talk about it to others,
which further spreads, spreads

702
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,280
the dissension, starts to
fracture the people even more,

703
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,720
and then we all come together
deeply mistrusting each other's

704
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,320
motives.
And there's no faith.

705
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,160
The devil knows what he's doing.
He's not dumb, right?

706
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,840
I think, I think we all wish
that he was a little bit dumb,

707
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,280
but he's not right.
And, and you know, the, the

708
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,240
other thing that that popped out
at me that I read from Joseph

709
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:24,080
recently was he, he asked the
question, brethren, why have we

710
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,480
not established Zion?
It's because we haven't been

711
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,880
able to hang together long
enough to get it done right.

712
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,160
And I'm kind of paraphrasing
there, but that's kind of the

713
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,520
gist of, of what he's saying.
And I'm not saying that we

714
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,280
should have unity for unity's
sake either, right?

715
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,320
You got to, you got to be able
to be unified around correct

716
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,800
principles.
But if someone's got a different

717
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,520
viewpoint than yours, I, I guess
overall, I'd be like, you may

718
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,680
want to pump the brakes before
you assign malice in that or

719
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,200
assign ill will, right?
He just came up with a different

720
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,680
answer was all.
And, and I think if we want

721
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,640
these things, I the more I read
from Joseph, the more I see that

722
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,880
that cloak of charity and not
accusing one another or looking

723
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,840
for inequity in our brethren
becomes a bigger and bigger

724
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,880
piece of that.
Yeah, and if somebody does have

725
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,600
a different answer than you,
well, maybe a conversation's in

726
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,680
order.
Are we not?

727
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,280
Are we not, brethren?
You know, we're we claim to be

728
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:32,760
to be handling priesthood, which
is supposed to function as a

729
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,160
brotherhood before God.
Didn't we go and find out the

730
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,920
truth for ourselves?
Didn't we like have these

731
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,600
conversations, get these
perspectives and try to mend the

732
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,080
cracks that appear rather than
say, well, I was new to that guy

733
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,560
was kind of weird.
So we're going to finish the

734
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,800
cracking process and make sure
he's away.

735
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Because if we if we remove
everybody who has problems,

736
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,800
maybe we'll get down to just a
few people that we all think the

737
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,360
same.
But is that?

738
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Yeah.
And, and look, one of the things

739
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,200
I love about, about the founding
of the country, it's a great

740
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,960
book called Miracle in
Philadelphia.

741
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,320
And the reason they called it a
miracle was because it should

742
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,200
just not have worked, right?
All those men were too strong

743
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,840
willed.
And it, it just, there's no

744
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,280
reason it should have worked,
right.

745
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,040
But out of that, I don't want to
say, well, I'll just use the

746
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,560
word right.
I think there was a lot of

747
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,440
contention there.
There was argument going back

748
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,760
and forth, but yet they hung
together, right.

749
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,240
And look, it's my opinion that
the reason the, the, this

750
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,840
constitution has lasted as long
as it has was because of the

751
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,160
contention, right?
They had to strive for it

752
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,400
together.
And those guys sometimes that

753
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,080
you think are, are or perceive
that are your enemy, they're

754
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,600
only trying to get you to see a
different point sometimes,

755
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:56,960
right, A different point of
view.

756
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,080
And that strengthens things if
it can be done without

757
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,840
fracturing.
For sure as opposed.

758
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,800
To weaken it.
Well, anybody, whether you're in

759
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,240
the church, whether you are in
any of any other group or any

760
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:16,080
church organization, if you've
had to work in a quorum, you

761
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,800
know, the differences exist.
I mean, those of us that have

762
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,160
worked on the job know we have
to learn to handle difficulties.

763
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:31,240
But this this idea when we come
to the gospel and being unified

764
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:35,520
is not separating out everyone
that doesn't agree, but coming

765
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,680
and together on the things we
can agree with and getting the

766
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,200
will of the Lord because, you
know, he's consistent.

767
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,280
He, he has, he has his mind and
it's based on law.

768
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Our mind is often based on
whatever we want.

769
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,960
Tradition, you know, what we ate
last night or you know, the list

770
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,040
goes on and on and on.
Sometimes we're right, sometimes

771
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,560
we're just not.
And that's hard to that's hard

772
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,720
to figure out, but but this is
where this endowment could be

773
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,560
useful.
And I don't know that you could

774
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,200
do this collectively across all
Normanton, But if individual

775
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,200
groups and communities and
people would come together, then

776
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,200
we might find ourselves drawing
together as a whole if we could

777
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,080
approach the Lord and start
bearing the fruit, if you will,

778
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,760
in the vineyard.
And I think good, you could

779
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,440
start to see good all the way
around.

780
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,720
So I mean, and that's maybe a
little bit of a dream of mine.

781
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,160
But nonetheless, Joseph carries
on with why we need this

782
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,040
endowment.
So we talked about some of these

783
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,520
other things that why, you know,
you know what, what you can do

784
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,640
to not get it like, say, causing
dissension among the people.

785
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,440
But he goes on a little deeper
and he tells the brethren, he

786
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,440
says you need an endowment,
brethren, in order that you may

787
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,280
be prepared and able to overcome
all things.

788
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,480
And those that reject your
testimony will be damned,

789
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,080
because it's based on the truth,
right?

790
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Right.
Prophet Joseph kills on the sick

791
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,920
will be healed.
The lane made to walk, the deaf

792
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,680
to hear, the blind to see
through your instrumentality.

793
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,880
But let me tell you that you
will not have power after the

794
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,080
endowment to heal those that
have no faith nor to benefit

795
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,920
them.
For you might as well expect to

796
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,520
benefit a devil and hell that
you're possessed of his spirit.

797
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,480
So.
But when you are endowed and

798
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,640
prepared to preach the gospel to
all nations kindred and tongues

799
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,600
in their own languages, you must
faithfully warn all bind up the

800
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,000
testimony and spill up the law
and the destroying Angel will

801
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,080
follow close at your heels.
But this part that I keep

802
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,480
thinking more and more you need
an endowment, brethren, in order

803
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,280
that you may be prepared to
overcome all things like if

804
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,600
there was anything that we
needed in our day.

805
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,200
It's that strength and how do we
get it?

806
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:20,000
Well, we're, we're in our day
and I don't know, but what what

807
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,320
happens with Joseph after this
is, is interesting because they

808
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,280
go through the Kirtland temple
experience, right?

809
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,520
They have this wonderful
manifestation and they have

810
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,320
these the angels come and they
have all this wonderful

811
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,840
experiences.
And how long is it before the

812
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,320
church fractures and falls
apart?

813
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,320
Not long.
Do you remember months?

814
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,400
Right, Right.
Like 6 months and the Kirtland

815
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Safety Society fails.
All this starts happening that

816
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,840
we kind of talked about last
time and it just resets the

817
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,480
work.
This had to have had an effect

818
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:07,320
on Joseph and he starts to say,
what can we do to help prepare

819
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,720
even further?
We did the school, the prophets

820
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,800
as the Lord commanded.
We washed and anointed these

821
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,920
brethren.
We taught them, we washed their

822
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,280
feet, and so many of them fell
away.

823
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,760
And then he gets the papyrus,
and he starts translating the

824
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,680
book of Abraham, and he sees
that not only do these things

825
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,520
come by covenant or by
ordinance, but by covenant.

826
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
OK.
Each person makes an individual

827
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:47,560
covenant to be obedient to the
laws of God, and that comes with

828
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,440
consequences if you if you don't
keep them.

829
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,360
And we know what they are.
So they start working Now

830
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:59,720
Kirtland is done.
They go to Missouri.

831
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,560
Of course, all that happens,
they have no opportunity.

832
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,200
But Joseph goes through
tremendous hardship in this time

833
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,920
where he approaches the Lord, I
think in absolute humility and

834
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,800
begins to formulate what this is
going to be.

835
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,040
And then he realizes the the
Nauvoo Temple isn't going to be

836
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:26,360
done, goes to the upper room in
the red brick store and enters

837
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,960
men into covenant covenants
pertaining to the patriarchal

838
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,280
priesthood.
He enters them into the law of

839
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,720
patriarchal and plural marriage.
He is preparing them completely,

840
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:43,520
not just for to receive the
endowment of power, if you will,

841
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,400
but so that they can hang on to
it, so they can become the kind

842
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:55,520
of man that are able to sustain
this fraternization with God,

843
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,880
that they might be able to see
his face.

844
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:05,040
And it's all a very interested
story as I start going through.

845
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,880
You know, there's there's with
what you just said there.

846
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,440
I want to go back to that thing
about, you know, these are these

847
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,400
things are that you that you can
overcome all things, right?

848
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,240
Like I look back at Joseph
during that that in Kirtland,

849
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,640
Missouri period.
And then I think about him

850
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,160
sitting in Liberty Jail and he's
a stronger man than I am, right,

851
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,720
Because I would have been down
there really complaining.

852
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:40,880
Like, what do you want?
I've done all this for you and

853
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,800
my, you know, my people, your
people, Lord, are out there

854
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,760
strewn on the planes in the
winter, and who knows what

855
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,400
condition I'm sitting in here in
prison.

856
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,240
What do you want?
But I, I, I wonder, you know,

857
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,120
how much of the experiences they
had at Kirtland sustained him in

858
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,600
those moments.
You bet.

859
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:11,320
I think that's huge.
Well, and just some of those,

860
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,120
some of that that he received in
there which I know we've read

861
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,680
that so many times, but but
there's something he says where

862
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,080
the Lord, the Lord comes to him
after you know, he gives this

863
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,920
prayer in not Kirtland in
Liberty Jail.

864
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,560
He gives this prayer, as we
know, DNC 121 and the Lord

865
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,160
answers them.
My son, peace be unto thy soul.

866
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,080
Thine affliction and thine
adversity shall be for a moment,

867
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,720
and then if thou endure it well,
God shall exalt thee on high,

868
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,960
and thou shalt triumph over all
thy foes.

869
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,280
And then he tells him, you know
thou not, thou art not yet his

870
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,880
job, and all these things that
that haven't happened, but that

871
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,960
may happened.
And then at the very end there's

872
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:04,280
one little thing he says that I
just because he, he goes on and

873
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:11,480
says that, Oh, where is that
one?

874
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,920
Where he says the Son of man
hath to stand to blow all

875
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,880
things.
Art thou greater than he, You

876
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,840
know, And I just think there's,
there's a key here where those

877
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,120
things were made for Joseph,
Liberty Jail was made for him to

878
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,160
be able to be strong enough.
And not everyone, not everyone

879
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,800
gets to go to Liberty Jail.
But we all have our own trial.

880
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:44,360
We all have our own thing that
prepares us for the blessings

881
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,560
that God has in store for us.
And a good a good leader will

882
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:58,320
put forward the necessary
opportunities, if you will, for

883
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,960
the people to be able to grow.
And really, it comes from

884
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,400
getting in touch with the Lord
themselves.

885
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Well, and you hit it right there
and you hit it once before when,

886
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,160
when we were talking before I, I
started to talk, which was you'd

887
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,560
said it like Joseph was trying
to figure out how to make it

888
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,960
stick this time, right.
Long enough for, for the people

889
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,760
that have an encounter with
deity.

890
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,360
And that reminded me of
something that that I picked up

891
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,200
on about four or five years ago.
If you were to boil down

892
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,480
Joseph's thrust, right, what is
he after?

893
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,800
What does he want?
I think it can be as simple as

894
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Joseph saying I've had my
experience with deity, now let

895
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,080
me show you how you can have
yours right?

896
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:52,080
He's wanting to bring people up,
not stay above them with a heavy

897
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,600
hand.
Yeah.

898
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,440
No, I think that's right.
And, and there's even some talks

899
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,800
and I think Don Bradley goes
into this maybe a little bit,

900
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:05,720
some of his work with the First
Vision, that Joseph in the First

901
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,640
Vision that fits all the
requirements of an endowment.

902
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,360
And that we don't know what
station Joseph had.

903
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,200
We don't know all the things
that he needed to go through.

904
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,320
I mean, he's 14 years old, but
he receives this blessing.

905
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,920
And I wonder, it's just my
wonderment, if there wasn't more

906
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,600
to that experience then he told
or was permitted to tell.

907
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Interesting.
But that's just speculation, but

908
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,960
nonetheless, Joseph has this
experience and then he has this

909
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,000
experience with Merle and I like
we talked about in the

910
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,280
beginning, and all of these
things start happening and he

911
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,800
starts bringing up the people to
where they can have their own,

912
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,240
where they can know God for
themselves.

913
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,800
That was it's always been in the
plan, even far back as the you

914
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,960
know, we have as early as Moses
and even before where.

915
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,240
To come up into the presence of
the Lord, you know, the brother

916
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,040
of Jared is able to do this
through his faith.

917
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,480
And so I'm not I and I do want
to couple back with this because

918
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,760
we mentioned that this is meant
to do this solemn assembly is

919
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:28,000
meant to do as a group.
But if an individual can do it,

920
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,240
the Lord will honor that.
If you have Nephi, the father of

921
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,720
Nephi that knew the Savior and
the Lord gives him a great

922
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,920
blessing on the road and he goes
out and starts preaching again,

923
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,840
starts doing the work.
In fact, some of it's the same

924
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,560
work he was doing before he was
prepared for the blessing.

925
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:56,600
And we have to understand that,
that in our life, our job is to

926
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,800
prepare ourselves for the
blessings that the Lord has.

927
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Now, if we receive a blessing
we're not qualified for, it may

928
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,160
not make as big a difference in
our life as we hoped.

929
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,880
I mean, we've been, we
participated in ordinances,

930
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,280
right?
We have in temple ordinances and

931
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,320
all this.
And I, I don't know if you've

932
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,520
noticed this, but I've noticed
that there are people who, when

933
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,480
they receive their ordinances,
seem to be radically

934
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,000
transformed.
And there are other people who

935
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,720
don't.
And I chalk that up to the level

936
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,120
of preparation and the closeness
of the relationship and their

937
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,880
their closeness to God.
And it seems to affect some

938
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,360
people in a different way and
they become changed and you can

939
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,960
tell that there's been a
physical not just order and then

940
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,880
sub the endowment that's taken
place, but a physical endowment

941
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,560
that has been working in their
life.

942
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:08,000
And the ordinances enter them
into covenant to qualify them to

943
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,040
activate some of this
preparation.

944
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,080
And I think that's where we are
today is, you know, we received

945
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,480
the priests of I Olson
government.

946
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,240
And Section 88 says through the
ordinances, the powers of

947
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,040
godliness are manifest.
What is godliness other than

948
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,120
righteousness?
And we want to see people take

949
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,680
steps in their life to become
righteous and then also to

950
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,880
receive this endowment of power.
The spiritual knowledge, if you

951
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:48,320
will, not just acting on faith
alone, but the spiritual

952
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,560
knowledge that can prepare us
whether we go out to preach the

953
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,840
nation to the nations or whether
we're called to preach at home.

954
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,360
There will be bishops and there
will be presidents.

955
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,400
There will be missionaries, and
there's a whole organization

956
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,480
that is designed to bless the
Saints of God.

957
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,200
Do any of them need the
endowment of power or any less

958
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,360
than the missionaries that go
out?

959
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,040
Not if they're going to be
effective.

960
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
They need it as much as anybody
else.

961
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,720
Yeah.
And I think this is not the end

962
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,600
result of everything that's
important.

963
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,720
You know, I don't think the
endowment of power is meant to

964
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,680
be the finality.
And I want to harken back to

965
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:39,880
something that Nephi says.
Second Nephi Chapter 31, he

966
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,400
says, I just want to make sure I
pull it up so I get it right.

967
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,040
It's so important and he's in
reference to the baptism of

968
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,760
fire, which is a whole nother
part which we could talk about

969
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,520
too because it's connected.
Yeah, I think we should.

970
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,960
I think it would be.
I I feel like it'd be a little

971
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,640
incomplete if we didn't.
Yeah.

972
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,880
And so there seems to be a
connection, and I'll say it this

973
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,800
way, from in my brain, this is
so again, Bucka David, there

974
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,000
seems to be a connection.
Baptism of water, baptism of

975
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:16,000
fire, ordinances of the
endowment, endowment of power,

976
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,240
you know, the sealing ceremony,
sealing of the Holy Spirit of

977
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,720
promise.
Second anointings, making your

978
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,040
column election.
Sure, there's all these

979
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,560
connections and they're the
same.

980
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,440
There's an ordinance and there's
what we can do to comply with

981
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,560
the law for us.
And then there's the grace of

982
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,800
God that fulfills the other
side.

983
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,480
You know, you know what's
fascinating because I love that

984
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,720
you pointed out that there's all
these connections.

985
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,200
Your episode, this episode will
drop a week from this Saturday.

986
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,920
And this week I'm going to drop
a podcast with with a guy named

987
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,400
Eleor who laid out a beautiful
case for what the doctrine of

988
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,240
Christ really is.
And what I'm seeing is, is that

989
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,600
there is a lot that it that is
tying between that conversation

990
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,600
and this conversation just
almost seamlessly as it's coming

991
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,520
together.
It's it's fascinating to watch.

992
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:21,880
Wow, that's amazing and LER does
a good job so So anyway, second

993
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,920
Nephi 3rd D1 and this is just I
think we can learn a great deal

994
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:31,880
from this.
Nephi says that he says, the

995
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,960
Lord said to him, The voice of
the Son came unto me, he that is

996
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,720
baptized in my name, to him will
the Father give the Holy Ghost

997
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,560
like unto me, Wherefore follow
me and do the things which

998
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,800
you've seen me do.
And then he gives a whole bunch

999
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,440
of you know this is intense.
Wherefore, my beloved brethren,

1000
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,920
I know that if he shall follow
the Son with full purpose of

1001
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,960
heart, acting no hypocrisy,
interception before God, but

1002
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:03,640
with real intent, repenting of
your sins, witnessing unto the

1003
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,240
Father that you're willing to
take upon you the name of Christ

1004
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,880
by baptism.
Yeah, by following your Lord and

1005
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,680
your Savior down into the water
according to His word, behold,

1006
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,440
then ye shall receive the Holy
Ghost.

1007
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,640
Yeah.
Then cometh the baptism of fire

1008
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,520
and of the Holy Ghost.
Then can you speak with the

1009
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,160
tongue of angels, and shout
praises unto the Holy One of

1010
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,720
Israel?
Yeah, there it is.

1011
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,160
I mean, we've heard this.
I know we've heard this a great

1012
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,720
deal, but I keep thinking
there's a connection here.

1013
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,680
Also.
You can speak with the tongue of

1014
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,200
angels, which is another place
in the Scripture.

1015
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,440
Say angels speak by the power of
the Holy Ghost.

1016
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:49,040
And here's Peter in the day of
Pentecost doing this very same

1017
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:54,560
thing, this, this, and even says
woven tongues of fire, as it

1018
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,760
were.
There's a connection here with

1019
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,120
the baptism of fire and the
endowment of power.

1020
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:05,480
And maybe they're not so removed
after all, but but nonetheless,

1021
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,040
to be able to speak by the power
of the Holy Ghost.

1022
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,080
And regardless of what tongue it
is, it can be understood.

1023
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,320
Yeah.
Sometimes, even in English, we

1024
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,880
probably need the gift and power
of the Holy Ghost to be

1025
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,040
understood.
Absolutely.

1026
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,600
I, I think, well, it, it's funny
you should say that, right?

1027
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,240
Because another idea I've had
rolling around in my Dome for

1028
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,840
the last, I don't know, a year,
maybe a little over is that

1029
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,160
let's look at Lehman and Lemuel.
How many times did they see

1030
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,560
miracles?
They saw an Angel, right?

1031
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,200
They saw an Angel who basically
came down and, and corrected

1032
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,240
them for, for beating up Nephi,
right?

1033
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,040
And then you see the the
miraculous things that happen on

1034
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,760
the ship, you see before that
Nephi getting the vision to

1035
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,680
build the ship, right?
You would have thought that some

1036
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,600
of this would have stuck
somewhere, right?

1037
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:09,200
And I think the real trick here
is are you in a position where

1038
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,000
you can feel the spirit that are
associated with those signs and

1039
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:17,200
wonders, Right, 'cause look, the
human memory, it's a weird

1040
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,800
thing, right?
Like I have seen way too often

1041
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,840
where someone says, no, I know,
I know, I know because I read it

1042
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,439
here and blah, blah, blah.
Well, you turn to it and if you

1043
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,240
haven't looked it up in a couple
of years, it you could remember

1044
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,359
in a way that changes the
meaning entirely.

1045
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,920
But I don't think you have quite
the same level of forgetfulness

1046
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,120
when it's communication by the
spirit that tends to leave a

1047
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:48,319
different mark, that tends to
leave a different testimony than

1048
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,240
just seeing with our natural
lives.

1049
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,840
And so when you talk about
needing the spirit, even as we

1050
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,960
we talk about these things in
English, I think it's hugely

1051
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,399
important, right?
How can we comprehend these

1052
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,200
things if we don't have the
Spirit and likewise if we have

1053
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:10,080
the spirit going back to this
idea of not just assuming

1054
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,120
somebody has I'll intent when
they disagree with you, that

1055
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:17,680
that can go quite a ways, right?
That can aid quite a bit

1056
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,560
understanding, which I think is
really super important because

1057
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,560
the older I get, the more I
realize not all the time, but in

1058
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,359
a lot of cases you're actually
saying the same thing.

1059
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,720
It's just you're saying it in a
way that causes somebody else to

1060
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,920
react a different way, and I
wonder how much of that could be

1061
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,359
soothed by speaking with that
spirit.

1062
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:46,160
Oh yeah, well, that Doctrine
Covenants go so far to say that

1063
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,279
the elders should not even teach
unless they have the spirit on

1064
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:51,359
them.
Right.

1065
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,360
Well, there's, there's a strict
commandment and the reason why

1066
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:03,320
we forget things like scriptures
and we forget like exactly what

1067
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,240
was said or certain situations
is our memories are far better

1068
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,880
most of the time at remembering
how we feel rather than what was

1069
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,440
actually done.
But even in that we have to be

1070
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:19,600
careful because our memories can
fade even with a strong

1071
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,640
experience if we don't write
them down in the moment, which

1072
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,240
is, you know, another topic.
Journaling is very important.

1073
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,440
And so we need to write things
down.

1074
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,200
We need to write our spiritual
experiences down, right of the

1075
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,120
things that God has done.
That's good for us because in a

1076
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,960
few years we may forget.
And we have a, we have an

1077
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,920
excellent letter from Alma in
Alma chapter 5.

1078
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,880
And he's speaking to the people,
some of the people who were at

1079
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:56,600
King Benjamin's sermon.
And he says, have you ever felt

1080
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,360
to sing the song of redeeming
love?

1081
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,800
And if you have, could you say
that you feel?

1082
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,880
So now he's reminding them of
something that happened in the

1083
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,640
past.
Because we forget.

1084
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:14,800
We forget when we get out of
touch and and we actually go

1085
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,640
Into Darkness, which is another
thing that Nephi says, you know,

1086
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,680
he says, if you receive this
baptism of fire, you receive

1087
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,240
this gift and then deny it.
It would have been better for

1088
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,240
you that you had not known me.
So there's a responsibility that

1089
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,920
comes with these gifts.
As we're talking about the

1090
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,000
endowment of power, we're
talking about the baptism of

1091
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,080
fire and all of our spiritual
experiences.

1092
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:43,400
There is a responsibility we
have to act and not put them on

1093
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,880
the back burner, not forget
about them or deny them.

1094
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,800
That would be very serious.
Yeah.

1095
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,120
I'm reminded of a quote from
Wilfred Woodruff, and I'm just

1096
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,680
going to paraphrase it 'cause I
have no way to look it up right

1097
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,000
now.
And he says I have seen angels,

1098
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:05,440
I have had vision, I have seen
all these wonderful gifts of

1099
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,280
God.
But the thing that is most

1100
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,560
precious to me is the still,
small voice.

1101
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,160
And we all have access to that,
or we should, if we can align

1102
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,320
ourselves properly with God, You
know, get baptized, receive the

1103
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,840
gift of the Holy Ghost.
And I believe that's a

1104
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,880
commandment to the individual to
go and receive this gift.

1105
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,160
And it will guide you and lead
you in your life.

1106
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:39,120
And that's the most precious
that comes from the testimony of

1107
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,400
a man who had far greater
experiences than I've ever had.

1108
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,000
And the thing that I hold dear
was the same thing he holds

1109
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,480
dear.
We ought to treasure our

1110
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,080
experiences.
We ought to write them down, but

1111
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,440
one of the things I was thinking
and because this ties into

1112
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:02,680
another another part that I
think would be good to talk

1113
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:07,040
about.
Sometimes in our life we get

1114
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,200
super faithful.
We we're on the track right?

1115
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,120
You know the feeling we're in a
good place and we received some

1116
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:21,040
things from the Lord and we go
that feels good.

1117
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:25,280
I love that.
And then we fall.

1118
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,400
We fall off the wagon, so to
speak.

1119
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,480
We start picking up our bad
habits again.

1120
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:34,800
Or maybe we have a bad couple of
days and we we forget the effort

1121
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:42,960
that it took and we we cannot
forget or rather rest our future

1122
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,280
successes on our past
experiences.

1123
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,480
Those were valuable and they can
help us moving forward.

1124
01:13:52,080 --> 01:14:00,480
But like Nephi tells us, he
says, he says, and now, my

1125
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:04,000
beloved brethren, verse 19,
chapter 31 And now, my beloved

1126
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,600
brethren, after you've gotten
into this straight and narrow

1127
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:13,600
path, I would ask, is all done?
Behold, I say unto you, Nay, for

1128
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,560
you have not come thus far, save
it were by the word of Christ

1129
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,000
with unshaken faith in Him,
relying wholly upon the merits

1130
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,120
of him who is mighty to say,
Wherefore you must press forward

1131
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,160
with the steadfastness in
Christ, having a perfect

1132
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,320
brightness of hope, and a love
of God and all men.

1133
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,480
Wherefore if you will press
forward, feasting upon the word

1134
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:39,720
of Christ, and endure to the
end, Thus say is the Father, you

1135
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:45,240
shall have eternal life.
He's saying, don't give up when

1136
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,400
you receive these blessings that
transform your life.

1137
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,880
There is more, and Christ will
reveal unto you the next steps,

1138
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,280
and the next steps and the
greater things.

1139
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,480
Here's Joseph back to our story.
Had Joseph been satisfied with

1140
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,920
what some of the brethren viewed
as the endowment of power in

1141
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:10,440
June of 1831 and not pushed for
a more sure word, had the

1142
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,320
brethren been satisfied, that's
all we would have known of

1143
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,400
Mormonism and it would have been
a little smudge in the history

1144
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,120
of Christianity.
Yep, Yep, 100%.

1145
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,080
You know, there's something else
here.

1146
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,160
And in this idea of not giving
up and staying steadfast.

1147
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,240
I was having a conversation with
a buddy couple days ago.

1148
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,960
He had mentioned, man, do you
ever wake up and just feel like

1149
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,800
you don't want to go to church,
right?

1150
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,400
Do you ever feel like you just
want to stay home, stay in your,

1151
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:48,840
your, your sweats, hang out with
the family and just shut it

1152
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,000
down?
I was like all the time, all the

1153
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,640
time.
And he goes, he goes, what keeps

1154
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,480
you going?
I was like, honestly, I know

1155
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:01,240
that without it, I'm going to do
some stupid stuff, right?

1156
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,280
That's first and foremost.
But I did rehearse to him

1157
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,840
something that that had popped
out at me not too terribly long

1158
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,720
ago.
I'd watched 2 series

1159
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:17,080
back-to-back.
One of them was called The Last

1160
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,960
Dance, which was primarily about
Michael Jordan.

1161
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,240
Then I watched another one
called Man in the In the Arena,

1162
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,680
which was about Tom Brady.
And both things that I walked

1163
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,600
away from with that is that
those guys were a little bit

1164
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,040
different, right, in terms of
they had a goal in mind and they

1165
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:41,120
weren't going to be turned away.
There was a mental, there was a

1166
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,600
mental discipline there that I
think the vast majority of

1167
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,480
people have yet to master have
to get down.

1168
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,880
But if we look at the term
disciple, right, which is I

1169
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,560
think we're all striving to be
disciples of Christ, right?

1170
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,560
Or at least if you are a
disciple of Christ, a better

1171
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:04,040
disciple of Christ.
And, and look, that root word is

1172
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,800
discipline, right?
And that doesn't sound like a

1173
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,160
fun word because it's kind of
isn't, right.

1174
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,880
And so, you know, as I look at
both anybody, whether it was

1175
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,440
those two guys I named or
anybody that ever achieves

1176
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:23,640
anything great, there is a level
of discipline there that carries

1177
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,280
you forward.
Motivation is fickle.

1178
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,360
Motivation comes and it goes,
right?

1179
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,920
Discipline is a different
animal.

1180
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,400
And discipline, I think is, is,
is one of the things I think the

1181
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,040
Lord is trying to impart here is
that like, look, you're not

1182
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,120
always going to feel like it,
right?

1183
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,840
But you do have an end goal in
mind.

1184
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,240
Now.
How bad do you want it?

1185
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,160
Are you ready to pick yourself
back up and do this again?

1186
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,920
Because we're all going to fall.
We're all going to fall at some

1187
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,600
point.
We all fall off the wagon at

1188
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,360
some point.
And it's a matter of just

1189
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,320
getting back up and dusting
yourself off.

1190
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,480
But take, make no doubt about
it, it takes discipline.

1191
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,960
Because sometimes you would sure
feel nice just to sit where you

1192
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,400
are, right?
Take a rest.

1193
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,640
But that's not what we're here
for.

1194
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,600
We're here to to keep pushing
and obtain the prize, and that

1195
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,960
takes this one.
Yeah, no, my dad told me many

1196
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,600
years ago, you don't have to
want to do it, you just have to

1197
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,400
do it.
Exactly.

1198
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,440
And I like that's.
Perfect.

1199
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,440
I might like.
I might have my wife turn that

1200
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,920
into one of those cutesy little
Relief Society signs.

1201
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,440
That's pretty cool.
Nice.

1202
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:39,680
So as, as we're kind of getting
to the end of this, because how

1203
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,720
much more can you go?
And we can talk about all kinds

1204
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:48,360
of things, but this endowment of
power has a purpose and and it

1205
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,640
must be fulfilled.
And I think we're all looking at

1206
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,760
it and it's more than just going
through the rituals.

1207
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,680
It's more than going to church,
even though absolutely, I mean,

1208
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,320
you're going to fare better like
you say, going to church than

1209
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:10,360
not like go to church, but don't
just go to church prepare.

1210
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,960
You know, you might, you might
not have anything to say.

1211
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,760
You might not be the one to get
called on or might not be the

1212
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,600
Bishop or whoever.
But if you go prepared with the

1213
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,240
Spirit of God, you will get more
and those around you will feel

1214
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,120
it, and it won't be long before
the Lord will put responsibility

1215
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,920
on your shoulders and you get to
learn how to put that in action

1216
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,720
under stress.
But for now, start doing it.

1217
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,120
Start including, you know, get
yourself prepared when you go to

1218
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:46,040
meetings, when you go to work,
when you go, I mean, every day.

1219
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:50,160
Do we believe in a Sunday
religion or do we believe in a

1220
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,960
religion that's designed to
magnify a person to become like

1221
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:58,000
the Son of God that he's
supposed to be, right, which is

1222
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,240
everyday.
Absolutely.

1223
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,320
Let me ask you this question,
right?

1224
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,240
I think we've talked a little
bit about, you know, we need to

1225
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,360
be prepared.
That's part of this process.

1226
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,640
But let's talk about that,
right?

1227
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:16,280
Because look, it's too easy for
us sometimes, I think, to just

1228
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,280
fall into the.
The thing of, well, we're just

1229
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,720
going to get up and go to church
because that's what we do now.

1230
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,520
That's great for discipline,
right?

1231
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,560
And that's, that's the tool to
get you there.

1232
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,920
But hopefully at some point you
start to extract a little more

1233
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,040
than than just I'm checking the
box and I'm here and I'm

1234
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,320
disciplined, right?
So So how do you prepare for

1235
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,560
something as simple as church?
Let's start there.

1236
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,240
What kind of preparations do you
make?

1237
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,200
So because I'm a believer that
every meeting that that we have

1238
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,920
in Mormonism should be an
opportunity for revelation,

1239
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,160
right?
Yeah.

1240
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,680
How do you get yourself in that
mindset?

1241
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,200
How do you get prepared to go
to?

1242
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:02,200
Church, well, it always starts
with a good prayer.

1243
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:07,520
And if I was going to ask the
Lord anything in in honesty,

1244
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:13,120
like a real prayer, I would say
help me do the most important

1245
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,800
thing at the most important
time.

1246
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:21,640
And if that is waking up Sunday
morning and making sure your

1247
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,960
kids get bowl of scrambled eggs
before they head out to church

1248
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:30,360
or whatever your thing is, be
doing your duty, whatever that

1249
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:35,640
is, and you will find yourself
in possession of the necessary

1250
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:40,960
words, actions, deeds that you
need to do to fulfill your

1251
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,640
mission.
Because let's face it, we don't

1252
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:48,480
live in a vacuum.
If you go to church, and even if

1253
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,720
you don't say the prayer and you
don't do the sacrament, you

1254
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,360
don't get asked to speak.
You're going to interact with

1255
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,240
people.
Your spirit's going to affect

1256
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,520
people.
I'm reminded of a story of King

1257
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,120
David when King Saul kept
sending his soldiers out to kill

1258
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,200
him because he was scared he was
going to take his Kingdom

1259
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,080
because he was.
And Saul sends the sends these

1260
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:18,240
servants out and they just kept
not coming back while they were

1261
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,080
going.
And David was preaching and

1262
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,480
singing with the snuff of the
spirit on him that these

1263
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:26,600
soldiers and servants begin to
be converted there.

1264
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:32,960
And finally, Saul himself comes,
and when he hears the words and

1265
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:38,160
his heart is pricked, he casts
himself down and repents right

1266
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,000
there.
And I go.

1267
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,640
Those are the kind of people we
want to be.

1268
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,520
So preparation for church.
My goodness.

1269
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,080
First thing to do is get out of
bed, you know, say your prayers,

1270
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,320
start the day off right and go
do your duty, whatever it is.

1271
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:58,200
And it starts before Sunday
morning, you know, if you've got

1272
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,040
the sacrament coming up and you
know, you got to make a covenant

1273
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:06,480
with God that Sunday, that you
are going to remember the

1274
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:09,800
commandments and to take upon
yourself the name of Christ.

1275
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,680
You probably ought to start
preparing before 15 minutes

1276
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:19,280
before you sit down in a seat,
you know, or, or as the as the

1277
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,120
priest is walking up to you, you
know, maybe go Oh yeah, it's

1278
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:23,480
supposed to be thinking about
Christ.

1279
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,480
Well, let's start this process a
little before.

1280
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,880
Let's make measurable difference
between every Sunday.

1281
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,880
Say, what can I do before next
Sunday to make myself better and

1282
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:41,280
more in line with with the Lord
because these things do not

1283
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:47,800
happen in massive jumps.
It's the slow, consistent

1284
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,480
relationship that gets built
because of our continual

1285
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,680
faithful acts.
And you know, this is a lot for

1286
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,320
me to say.
This is this is the exact work

1287
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,440
that I do with myself regularly
is what do I need to be doing

1288
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,560
consistently?
How do I manage my affairs

1289
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,880
better?
How do I remember the Lord?

1290
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,600
I mean, remember is a tough word
because we made the covenant,

1291
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,840
the sacrament that we'd remember
him always not remember him on

1292
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,160
Sunday or remember him when it's
icy on the roads and we need him

1293
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,960
to take the wheat.
You know, you know, it's bigger

1294
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,800
than.
And if we're going to be

1295
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,280
possessors of the gifts and
blessings of the spirit, of the

1296
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,120
endowments, of all the things
we've been talking about this

1297
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:44,040
whole day, we have got to make
God our focus, not the things of

1298
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,480
this world.
And I don't mean that we can't,

1299
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,080
you know, take her kids camping
and do, I mean, like, we have

1300
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,400
lives to live, but in everything
we do.

1301
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,880
And I think King Benjamin says
this in his address, you know,

1302
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,760
believe in God, believe that he
is and that he has power to save

1303
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,360
you.
And when you believe all these

1304
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,200
things, see that you do them
right.

1305
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:15,160
And I think that's the key that
we live a life that is worthy of

1306
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,360
the spirit because in a moment
of weakness, and this has been

1307
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,200
my experience in a moment of
weakness where we get asked to

1308
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,840
perform an ordinance or maybe we
have a talk to give or something

1309
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,720
that we're supposed to do of a
religious nature.

1310
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,320
We can get on our knees and and
we can become beggars before the

1311
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,120
Lord and say, you know, Oh, I to
to bless other people.

1312
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,640
I really need your help.
And he may choose to bless us

1313
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:46,680
and we might feel pretty good
about ourselves, but that does

1314
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,600
not continue forever.
We don't get to be beggars every

1315
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,360
time.
Eventually he will say, you're

1316
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,720
not getting it.
I'm not going to help you this

1317
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:02,400
time because you need to learn
that you're supposed to be

1318
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,920
bettering yourself.
And through my grace, I can help

1319
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,200
you.
But you've got to start to live

1320
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,520
up to your responsibilities.
You've got to start living up to

1321
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,880
the words that you've received
from me, the blessings that

1322
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,360
you've received.
These things speak against you

1323
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,840
when you don't act.
If you've received something

1324
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,760
from the Lord, you ought to take
it serious.

1325
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,600
Write it down, read it often.
We have the scriptures, study

1326
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,680
the scriptures.
You don't.

1327
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,560
You don't get to understand
doctrine of any kind without

1328
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,680
reading the scriptures and
pondering their meanings, truly

1329
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,440
asking the Lord, what does this
mean?

1330
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,680
You know, if you have access to
a temple and you're endowed with

1331
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,880
the ordinances, go and listen to
what is happening.

1332
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:56,320
You have opportunity to go, go,
listen, try to learn, study

1333
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,200
these things out.
Because in the Scriptures and

1334
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,800
the words of God, which I
consider the temple a

1335
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,520
continuation, a revelation of
the word of God, there in there

1336
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:13,600
you will find the patterns that
indicate which is a law of God

1337
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,560
and which is a commandment of
men.

1338
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,880
You will learn the difference by
studying the laws of God.

1339
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,040
And the laws of God are the
things that make us better.

1340
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,240
It's the things that he's
governed by.

1341
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:33,680
And the law in one sense is is
even greater than God, because

1342
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,120
you can't.
Disobey it right?

1343
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,240
Where else he seems to be God.
Right.

1344
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,960
And so we're trying to bring
ourselves into compliance with

1345
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,360
the law.
Now, this is all very big and

1346
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,120
grandiose, but I really think if
every person would wake up

1347
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:57,440
tomorrow morning and say today
I'm going to do the most

1348
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:00,880
important thing at the most
important time, we would see the

1349
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:05,240
world revolutionized, I think.
So I really think that that

1350
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,800
would be, that's a good starting
place, at least for me.

1351
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:14,520
I think so.
You know, I had a had a wise, a

1352
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:19,440
wise high Councilman once old
school guy when I first came

1353
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:24,360
into the church name was Don and
Don used to say something that

1354
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,240
really stuck with me.
Two things about getting ready

1355
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,520
for for a sacrament.
You always used to say, you

1356
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:36,080
know, you shouldn't treat this
as not right, like it's too easy

1357
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,840
to fall into routine, right.
And routine can be a very

1358
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,720
helpful thing and it can also be
one of those things that that

1359
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,240
gets in the way sometimes of us
extracting the deepest meaning

1360
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:50,640
we could possibly get.
And he said your Saturday

1361
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:55,160
evening should be a time for you
to sit down and review the prior

1362
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:59,520
weeks wins and losses, so to
speak, right where you screwed

1363
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,440
up.
Be cognizant of that and figure

1364
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:04,480
out, be intentional.
How are you going to do better

1365
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:07,120
next time?
And as you go to partake of the

1366
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,480
sacrament, remember that.
Focus on that.

1367
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,800
The other thing that he had said
that has stuck with me was he

1368
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,080
made a couple of comparisons for
the sacrament table.

1369
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,600
That really stuck with me.
And maybe it's because I'm a

1370
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:29,720
history guy and I love history,
but he said you want an Old

1371
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,480
Testament comparison to the to
the sacrament.

1372
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,720
Well, it's pretty simple.
That table is probably more of

1373
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,880
an altar, right?
And the men standing there and

1374
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,400
officiating in that are acting
as the priests in Israel.

1375
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:50,200
Now, our job as as members back
in those days was to bring a

1376
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,720
sacrifice.
Well, what sacrifice are you

1377
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,080
bringing?
Are you bringing the contrite

1378
01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:00,600
heart, the, the broken heart and
the contrite spirit, right, The

1379
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,120
rending of the heart, as we
talked about earlier?

1380
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:07,160
Are we doing that?
And if that doesn't work, just

1381
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,960
understand that those men up
there at the sacrament table are

1382
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,480
sitting in the same seat the
Savior was when he first put the

1383
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:15,920
ordinance.
I'm not saying that they are

1384
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,480
worthy of our worship or
anything like that, but

1385
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:22,680
understand it's a sacred
ordinance that we are, we are

1386
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,560
engaging in.
And it requires a sacred mind to

1387
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,040
extract it not only its deepest
meaning.

1388
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,480
But look, some, some of the best
revelation I've ever received

1389
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:36,360
personally has come in sacrament
meetings, right where on those

1390
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,720
weeks I had done, I'd done what
I needed to do to prepare.

1391
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,760
And when I got there, I could
just bask in that spirit and

1392
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,560
allow revelation to flow.
But if, if, if our sacrament

1393
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,720
meetings have become anything
other than a revelatory meeting,

1394
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,400
I think we're missing the mark a
little bit.

1395
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,520
Yeah.
And I think that they ought to

1396
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:01,200
be where if you get asked to
speak in a sacrament meeting or,

1397
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,080
or a general meeting or
whatever, whatever you call

1398
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,800
them, you should be prepared and
get up and speak the things of

1399
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,360
the Lord.
And if you do that consistently,

1400
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,600
your meetings would be better.
Everyone would love to.

1401
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,800
Who doesn't love to go to a good
spiritual meeting?

1402
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:24,360
They're my favorite, you know,
and if everyone's prepared and

1403
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,320
people are that are going, are
prepared with the spirit and the

1404
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:31,040
people that are there speaking
are prepared, we would see

1405
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:35,960
massive shifts in the direction
of many of the churches because

1406
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,760
they'd be moving towards God.
And this is universal.

1407
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:43,040
This isn't just for even Mormons
really, but, but because that's

1408
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:47,840
what we are, we just say, if we
would do this, we would see the

1409
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,960
Lord beginning to bring his
vineyard together in a way.

1410
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,520
I mean, we're, we're literally
on the cusp of the second

1411
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,520
coming.
And I don't know if that means

1412
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,480
50 years, 100 years, I don't
know.

1413
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,360
But I know that it's, it's
closer to us than it was to

1414
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:03,920
Joseph.
And he felt like it was

1415
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:09,080
immediate, right.
So we have work to do and there

1416
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,080
are prophecies that need to be
fulfilled.

1417
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:17,880
There are work that that rests
upon our shoulders and it starts

1418
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,160
right here with us.
It starts with our daily works.

1419
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,440
It starts with our families.
It starts with our

1420
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:27,040
responsibilities.
We have to get ourselves in a

1421
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:32,880
position where we we make this
as Paul the apostle says, you

1422
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,160
know, he says Christ is the
great profession of our faith

1423
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:40,440
like this is this should be our
primary purpose.

1424
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:46,600
And I'll get so caught up.
Come out of her, O ye, my

1425
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,600
people, bless you.
Be partakers of her plates.

1426
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,520
I don't mean go run off in the
middle of the desert.

1427
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,360
No offense to anybody who's done
that.

1428
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,320
That's fine.
That's what you're supposed to

1429
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,680
do.
But many of us are called to be

1430
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:03,720
where we're called to be.
Do our work, but don't partake

1431
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,960
of her internally.
Don't become one with the world.

1432
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,240
Remember, we have a
responsibility to bless.

1433
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,560
And we're Joseph.
Many of us are Joseph, and

1434
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,520
Joseph's job was to bless the
other tribes of Israel.

1435
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,240
And that's that's the
responsibility that lays on us.

1436
01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:27,400
But we have to be prepared.
Joseph Smith knew he had to

1437
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,480
prepare the people in his day.
He had to give them the

1438
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:33,040
experience.
And the Lord showed him that he

1439
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,600
had to go through his own kind
of trials and experiences like

1440
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,760
we talked.
So when we have our trials and

1441
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:43,280
our experiences, do we blame God
or do we take Him for what they

1442
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,640
are?
An opportunity to repent, an

1443
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,080
opportunity to see the truths
about ourselves?

1444
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,280
Absolutely.
Let me ask you this question.

1445
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,080
I know, I know, we're getting
towards the end here.

1446
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,360
You said we were, but I had one
other question, which was what

1447
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,880
do you think keeps us from being
able to access this endowment of

1448
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:10,760
power?
I think that, like King Benjamin

1449
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:15,040
said in his address, I cannot
weigh the diverse ways in which

1450
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:22,520
we could sin, but there are a
multiplicity of ways that we cut

1451
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:27,440
ourselves off from the blessings
that can be ours if we were just

1452
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:31,640
to be faithful.
So again, I would ask, I would

1453
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:37,600
ask this question to myself.
And this ties into something

1454
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,840
Jordan Peterson said.
And I just think it's so, you

1455
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,440
know, Jordan Peterson, the
psychologist, he he said

1456
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:46,520
something one of his podcasts
that I just think about all the

1457
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:52,280
time, what thing am I not doing
today that I know I should be

1458
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:59,240
doing?
Isolate that thing and start

1459
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:04,680
because it seems like a daunting
task to say, well, we don't have

1460
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,440
a Joseph Smith.
We don't have a person who

1461
01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:11,760
stands at the head receiving
revelations for us, who's

1462
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,280
guiding us through every step of
our life.

1463
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:21,120
And yet so, so we can convince
ourselves and say, well, I guess

1464
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,320
it's not possible for us to
receive this endowment of power.

1465
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,480
Maybe if we had a Joseph, we
could.

1466
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,720
And I go, we still have a
Joseph.

1467
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:35,680
Let's just remember Him and our
fathers and our faithful

1468
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:40,480
progenitors, they're all over
there working for us.

1469
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:46,560
I guarantee the reason we
haven't received is something

1470
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,760
here.
It isn't something there.

1471
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,760
And if we would come up to the
place where the Lord, he tells

1472
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:58,320
us in the Scriptures that He
can't withhold himself from

1473
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,680
someone who fulfills the
requirements.

1474
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,920
If we're not receiving the
endowment of power, if we're not

1475
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,120
receiving the baptism of fire,
if we're not receiving these

1476
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,240
spiritual gifts, there's
probably something we need to

1477
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,400
work on.
That something might be of a

1478
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,200
temporal nature or an emotional
nature or spiritual nature.

1479
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,320
There might be something in the
way.

1480
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:25,160
And if we need help, boy, This
is why the Lord gave us these

1481
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:29,480
helpers, these bishops and, and
other men that are supposed to

1482
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:32,640
have kind of figured this out in
some ways.

1483
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:38,160
And we go find a good counselor
and say, what can I do?

1484
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,760
One thing they may ask you,
well, how's your prayers?

1485
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:47,880
I might say, not good.
So well, let's start there, you

1486
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,320
know, and let the Lord start to
guide you.

1487
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:56,680
And I think that if people would
recognize how good the Lord has

1488
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:02,320
been to them, they wouldn't help
but feel this broken heart,

1489
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:06,240
contrary spirit, so the goodness
of God for them.

1490
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,840
And you know, I don't have all
the answers.

1491
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,920
I couldn't give it to somebody
unless I was inspired.

1492
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:16,080
Somebody came to me and said,
what should I be doing?

1493
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,000
Well, I if I'm not in that
place, I couldn't give them the

1494
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,960
answer.
But I know people have given the

1495
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,280
answer to me and it has varied
based on what my needs were.

1496
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:29,320
Yeah.
You know, I, I appreciate what

1497
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,280
you said there about the
prayers, right?

1498
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:38,000
So often I think we look at, at
the great men in, in Mormonism,

1499
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,720
right?
And maybe it's just me, but I'm

1500
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,240
like, OK, what separates them
from me?

1501
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:49,000
And as you get little glimpses
into their daily lives, right,

1502
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,720
You don't get them very often,
but sometimes in the record you

1503
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,920
can, you can spot patterns,
right?

1504
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,840
And usually what it is, David,
is it, it's not something

1505
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,800
massive, right?
It's usually the small things.

1506
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,120
It's usually those little
things.

1507
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,920
And it reminds me of something.
It reminds me of two things.

1508
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,560
First, something my grandmother
used to tell me, I used to watch

1509
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,720
her sweep out, sweep the floors,
right?

1510
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,840
And she would always start in
the corners.

1511
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,680
And I was, I was always like,
just sweep up the stuff in the

1512
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,080
middle.
That's the stuff everyone can

1513
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,440
see anyway.
Just get rid of that, right?

1514
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,160
And I asked her one day, why do
you do that that way?

1515
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,040
And she said something that was
interesting.

1516
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,480
She said if you take care of the
corners, the center will take

1517
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:38,520
care of itself.
And I said, well, explain that

1518
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,200
to me.
She's like, well, the corners

1519
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:43,160
are the ones that don't get
attended to very often, but the

1520
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,160
one stuff in the middle, that's
obvious.

1521
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:48,120
So if we take care of the
corners, of course we're going

1522
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,840
to get the stuff that's visible,
and I think it's that.

1523
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,840
Way in our spiritual life.
Right, Is that we got to take

1524
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:58,320
care of the corners, right?
And the corners typically are

1525
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,520
smaller or what we would deem as
smaller things, right?

1526
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,720
It is the consistency in prayer.
It is the consistency,

1527
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,720
consistency of Scripture study.
It quite frankly, it's the

1528
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,400
consistency of repentance,
right?

1529
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:17,240
I think, I think those kind of
things there are really what

1530
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,960
separates the spiritual giants
from the rest of us because

1531
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:25,880
they've somehow managed to, to,
to put that in into context, it

1532
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,200
reminds me of the story of
Naman, right?

1533
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:33,480
Naman goes to, to Israel because
he's got leprosy, goes to the

1534
01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:35,520
prophet.
The prophet doesn't even talk to

1535
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:36,880
him.
He just sends out an emissary

1536
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,000
and he says, yeah, just go bathe
in the Jordan 7 times and you'll

1537
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,760
be healed.
And he's irritated, right?

1538
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,560
Because he's like, oh, I've
sharpened my Spears.

1539
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,840
I got my my Shields, man.
I'm ready to go to war for you

1540
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,880
guys.
What can I go do?

1541
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:52,920
Right?
And so often I think as human

1542
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,680
beings, we start to look around
and go, OK, what's the big thing

1543
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,720
I can do, Lord?
If, if, if, if it's something

1544
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,760
you need done, you let me know
what needs to be done and I will

1545
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,760
go do that.
No, he's not going to ask you

1546
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,760
for something like that if you
can't take care of your

1547
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,120
scripture study, right?
I mean, he's not going to not

1548
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:12,840
going to go down that rabbit
hole.

1549
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,880
I'm not that rabbit hole, but go
that direction to give you

1550
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:19,280
something massive to do when he
can't trust you not to get on

1551
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,680
your knees every night and just
talk to him for a few minutes.

1552
01:40:23,480 --> 01:40:26,280
And so I do think it's the
little things that separate us

1553
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,320
and probably the little things
that you kind of brought up

1554
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,840
there that keep us from from
these kind of blessings and

1555
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,920
these kind of encounters with
the divine.

1556
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,160
Well, it's because when the Lord
gives us light and

1557
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,520
understanding, we have a
responsibility to act.

1558
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:47,400
And until we do, those things
stand as a witness against us.

1559
01:40:49,480 --> 01:40:52,280
And I'm, I'm, I'm going to get
real vulnerable.

1560
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,600
But I had AI had an experience
where I was asking a big

1561
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,440
question.
I had fasted and I'd done all

1562
01:40:58,440 --> 01:41:00,440
the things, you know, I was a
big question.

1563
01:41:00,440 --> 01:41:03,240
What am I supposed to do?
I think it was, you know, what

1564
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,880
am I, where am I supposed to
move to or something like that?

1565
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,400
I felt like I was supposed to
move and I wanted the Lord to

1566
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:13,200
give me this wonderful answer
that I could really, if I was to

1567
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:14,800
be honest, that I could tell
everyone.

1568
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:19,200
Yeah, I know because I got this
from the Lord and that was an

1569
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,360
egotistical thing, but that I
had to learn.

1570
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,560
But I but the answer I got was
really interesting.

1571
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:30,960
It was you need to, you need to
work on yourself to get your

1572
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,520
habits and your desires with
entertainment under control.

1573
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,640
You get your habits and your
desires with food under control,

1574
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,680
and you need to teach your
family.

1575
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,480
And I was like, yeah, I know
about all that stuff, Lord, but

1576
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:43,720
what I'm asking is this
question.

1577
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,040
I don't think you heard my
questions.

1578
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:48,080
I got this question.
The same answer comes again.

1579
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:50,800
And it wasn't until I began to
put effort.

1580
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,360
I didn't even have to be good at
those things.

1581
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:58,240
Once I started putting effort
into them, I got my answer.

1582
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,760
And I think the Lord desperately
wants us to become like Him, but

1583
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:10,080
He knows where we are far better
than we are. 100% you hit on

1584
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:17,040
something else there.
Sometimes we can look at things

1585
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,880
and then we get like analysis
paralysis, right?

1586
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,280
We don't, we don't go and do
anything, right?

1587
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,200
And we've seen this before,
right, Where everyone's standing

1588
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,840
around like, well, what are we
going to do?

1589
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,840
And then we don't do anything
because we're afraid we're going

1590
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:41,520
to offend the Lord right?
Now, as I've looked around and

1591
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:46,840
I've thought about that for a
while and seen it, sometimes I

1592
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,320
think the Lord is waiting for us
to just do something.

1593
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,560
Like you said, you don't even
have to be very good at it,

1594
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,600
right?
Sometimes you just got to do

1595
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,760
something.
Even if you mess up, that's OK.

1596
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,000
So right, you and the Lord will
make corrections together to

1597
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:06,160
work it out to be better.
But do something because so

1598
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:10,640
often I get the feeling as as,
as I converse with the Lord and

1599
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,720
I, I stop and I analyze my
feelings about, you know, the

1600
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,000
prayer I just uttered or, or
whatever I'm facing.

1601
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,760
Some, a lot of the times for me,
it's like just do something,

1602
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,040
just do something and then the
Lord can work with you.

1603
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,360
But if you're, if you're so
scared of making a mistake that

1604
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:31,200
you do nothing at all, well,
it's kind of like the parable of

1605
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,280
the talents, right?
You're just kind of burying

1606
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,240
stuff and not really working
with anything.

1607
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,400
Yeah, well, I'll give you
another parable.

1608
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:42,960
Why it's important to move.
Who can change directions on

1609
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,680
their car without moving?
Right.

1610
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,720
If you're if you're face the
wrong direction, you kind of

1611
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,360
have to get movement even if you
move a little in the wrong

1612
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,960
direction to start to turn,
because it's pretty hard to turn

1613
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,360
around a car if it's not
movement.

1614
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:02,040
Absolutely.
So yeah, I guess, I guess for me

1615
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,760
as as we come to the close of
this, that would that that would

1616
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,360
be The thing is just take care
of the small things, know the

1617
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,720
doctor, know the laws, do the
little things and just do

1618
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,800
something.
And I think, I think that'll at

1619
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,480
least get you on the path.
But yeah.

1620
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:20,360
I'll read this, I'll read this
last two verses from Second

1621
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,200
Nephi 31 because it talks about
just what we're talking about.

1622
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,720
I read it once before, but I'll
just, or I read the one part,

1623
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:32,440
I'll read the rest of it.
Wherefore he must press forward

1624
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:35,280
with the steadfastness in
Christ, having a perfect

1625
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,080
brightness of hope, and a love
of God in all men.

1626
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,160
Wherefore if he shall press
forward, feasting upon the word

1627
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:45,240
of Christ, and a dirt to the
end, Behold, thus saith the

1628
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,080
Father, ye shall have eternal
life.

1629
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:52,080
And now behold, my beloved
brethren, this is the way.

1630
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:57,320
And there is none other way nor
name given under heaven, whereby

1631
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,320
men can be saved in the Kingdom
of God.

1632
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,720
And behold, this is the doctrine
of Christ, and the only true

1633
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:08,080
doctrine of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

1634
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,120
which is 1 God without end.
Amen.

1635
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,880
There you go.
Perfect.

1636
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:18,640
It's the way.
Absolutely, absolutely.

1637
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:21,200
Dave, that was great stuff.
Is there anything else you

1638
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,360
wanted to bring up before we
shut this down?

1639
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:27,280
Oh, I'm sure when I get a little
bit down the road I'll be like,

1640
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,120
oh, we shouldn't have talked
about this, but I think it's

1641
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,520
good.
If we got two weeks, if you want

1642
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:37,160
to jump back on, we can do that.
So we we got, we got the time

1643
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:39,760
when we have the technology.
Yeah, true.

1644
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:42,680
Well.
Thank you, thank you.

1645
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,080
I appreciate it.
And and as always, you can cross

1646
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:46,760
something like this again.
Give me a call.

1647
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,840
I love these conversations.
I value you as a friend and a

1648
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,240
brother.
Man, I appreciate it.

1649
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,280
Thank you, me too.
All right, stick around for 5

1650
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:55,920
minutes.
Bye everybody.

1651
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,360
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