Episode #179 Temple Series PT-9: So You Have Been Through The Temple, Now What?

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The you're listening to the
Mormon Renegade podcast.

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What's?
Going on big guy.

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Hey Dave, good to be back.
Dude, this is the last episode

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in the Temple series.
I didn't set out for it to be

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like.
I think it's going to be like 9

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episodes long dude.
I'm really looking forward to

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this one.
Right.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm glad to be able
to be here and I hope I can do

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justice to all the fantastic
presentations and discussions

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that have come before so.
Yeah, no, this should be good.

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And like I said, this one, I,
I'm really toying with the idea

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of saying, OK, so you're endowed
now.

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What?
Right.

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Because that's kind of where
this goes, right?

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Is, is now what?
We've been through all this, now

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what?
Right.

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Yeah, exactly.
So, and I guess I, maybe I

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should clarify, so, you know,
I've been, I've been a long time

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temple goer, right, starting in
the LDS Church from my mission

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20s.
And it's kind of was a weekly

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activity for me throughout my
time and within the LDS church.

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And so, you know, I got a lot of
familiarity, right with the

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ideas and the concepts and the
temple leading up to that.

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More recently, I've actually
been doing some other types of

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research into early Christianity
and occultism of all things,

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which it sounds bad, right?
Occultism that is like that

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initial gut reaction, like, oh,
that's black magic, right?

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The funny thing is though, when
you actually look at it, most

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modern occultism actually dates
back to Christianity and the

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rise of Christianity.
Well, part of that's probably to

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the printing press as well.
But many of these many of the

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cultic traditions are variations
on Christian.

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At least it started out that
way.

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A lot of the early occultists
were devout Catholics and it

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kind of is AI mean.
The way I look at it is the

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apostasy happened.
Right.

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And there but it when the
apostasy happened at the time,

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there were competing branches of
apostasy and you know, the

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Orthodox Catholic, you know,
faith kind of emerged

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victorious.
The the fascinating thing is a

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lot of this, a lot of these
ideas of occultism branch off of

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Christianity and the things that
go back even further are, are

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connected as well.
And so part of this is trying to

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apply some of the ideas and
concepts.

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And among that, one of the
biggest ones is this idea of

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temple worship or dense work.
So this is new.

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The temple is brand new to us in
in our present day from our

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paradigm of, you know, America
was founded as a Christian

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nation, Protestantism.
The idea of temple worship is

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brand new.
And it's something that was

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restored as part of the
restoration.

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But the idea of temple worship
is really old, right?

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And it actually goes back.
So these ancient ritual

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traditions, you know, just these
are a few examples if you've

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ever looked at Nibley, right, or
the Egyptian, the Book of

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Breathings, things like that.
And in the Hebrew, there's this

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Kabbalah tradition.
And in the Christianity,

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Catholic and Orthodox things,
you've got things like Saint

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John of the Cross, Order of the
Templars, The Greeks had mystery

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schools.
Many of the philosophers, the

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originators of of our modern
understanding of science and

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math, come from these mystery.
Schools.

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And the Greek, the Hindus have
yoga and yoga, you know, yoga is

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actually a lot more than just a,
you know.

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An.
Exercise, stretching, routine.

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You know, they, that's an aspect
of it, but there's a whole

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ritualized faith around it,
right?

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And then you've got South
American in South America we've

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got, you know, the Aztec
temples.

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And then even in presently
there's ayahuasca cultures

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there.
And in the Middle East before

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Islam, you had Zoroastrianism.
And even within Islam you've got

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Sufism, which is they're all
kind of Mystics, traditions.

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Are those the ones that spin
around?

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Might be, might be, I think.
I don't know a whole lot about.

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That I haven't researched a
whole lot.

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I just know that there's
something fascinating, though,

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that all of these have in
common.

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And it's, and it's really
shocking because I, I feel like

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we've missed this modern, you
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Christianity was, was really
missing this aspect.

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And what all these things have
in common is these are systems.

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They're designed to bring us
into an encounter with God.

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Right.
An actual encounter, not just

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like you know, you, you, you,
you followed the rules.

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You lived a good life.
You go to heaven.

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No, these, the idea behind these
things were to bring you into

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the presence of God.
You know, and, and that's

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something I feel is super
important to, to, to realize,

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right, is that when before
Joseph Smith comes around,

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Christianity had for the most
part, discounted encounters with

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the divine, right.
You would hear about it from

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time to time, but by and large,
it lost that.

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And I was always a guy who
figured, OK, if there's a God

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out there and he really is,
views us as our chill as his

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children right now, being a
Mormon, I know that's absolutely

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the fact.
But at that time I was like, if

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he views us like we're his
children, why wouldn't he want

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to talk to us anymore, right?
Why is just the letter AKA the

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scriptures?
What?

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Why is that right?
Like at some point doesn't a dad

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want to talk to his kids?
Right yeah and that that clearly

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that yearning to connect with
God is ancient, right And you

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can see from this list, and this
could be even bigger.

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I, I, I mostly included things
I'm more familiar with towards

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the end.
I was just throwing in stuff

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just to fill out the points on
the PowerPoint.

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But but yeah, this there's a,
there's an innate human yearning

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to connect with God, to have an
actual relationship and to

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basically kind of overcome the
effects of the fall to find that

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divinity within us as well.
And So what I wanted to present

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today and I, it is a
presentation.

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It's a little awkward.
I'm not, so I'm not so great at

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presentations, but it's the only
way to really communicate some

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of these ideas.
And I guess I apologize anybody

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listening.
This is 1 where you really

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really might want to watch the
video if you get a chance

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because I've got slides here and
I'll I'll do my best to describe

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it, but you'll probably be
missing some of it.

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Without the visuals.
OK, so.

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You don't go to the temple so
you can qualify to meet God in

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the next life.
You go to the temple to learn

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how to experience God in this
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And I think this is a
perspective that even in modern

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Mormonism, fundamentalism, all
of that, it kind of gets lost.

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Sure does.
Because we we have this idea of,

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of how we're what we're supposed
to do in our life.

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That.
You know, our checklists of, you

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know, to receive eternal life,
check, check, check, check.

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And the endowment just kind of
becomes one of those things,

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right?
Some reason it's required.

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And so you do it and there you
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You're set now, right?
Right.

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And I think it's kind of this is
the, it's an incorrect

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perspective, I think because the
intent of the temple ultimately

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is to teach us how to experience
God in our lives, in our

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lifetime.
Right, well, and, and look,

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let's let's be clear, right?
I, I do think that sometimes

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there is a necessity of faking
it till you make it sort of a

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thing, right 'cause let's face
it, we don't always feel like

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getting up and going to church,
right?

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There's sometimes where you're
just like, I don't know man,

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this couch is awfully comfy and
those bag of Doritos are calling

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my name.
But yet you, you do it because

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you know it's good for you and
that's good, right?

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That's exercising discipline.
However, if you just go and

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perform the checklist as you put
it, right, I think we becoming,

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we start to flirt with danger a
little bit there if we stay

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there too long.
Because I, you know, the God was

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very clear when he spoke to
Joseph, right?

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They have a form of godliness,
but they deny the power they're

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in, right?
And it would be real easy to

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just go and do these things
because darn it, that's just

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what we do.
But it's a form of godliness.

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But you're not digging deep to
get what you need out of it,

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right?
Right.

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And so it's a funny parallel
right now, right?

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Because I know Taylor's been
doing these gospel fundamental

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classes, which has been
fantastic, right?

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And honestly, that's the stuff
that really nourishes the soul

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too.
Those are things that I, I just

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love going back to that again
and again because that's the

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nourishment.
Today I would like to say I want

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to get into the meat.
More likely than not this is

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going to be the just the high
calorie, low, no nutrition but

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it makes you feel good stuff.
I'm down for it.

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I'm here for it, yeah.
So let's have some cake.

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Let's have.
Dessert Some dessert.

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All right, so one of the
interesting things is almost all

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of these other systems have
models, visual models that help

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us, that help guide the
initiates and their path to God.

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And I, I think that I've seen
something very similar here

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happening in the temple.
So I'm going to present a map

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here.
And the idea is this map is our

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journey back to God.
And it's interesting because we

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were talking about checklists,
right?

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That's kind of what's spawned a
lot of my interest in doing this

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as well, because a lot of times,
you know, you go through the

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checklist, you kind of get to
the end and you're like, now

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what?
Because I don't maybe don't feel

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like I've arrived.
So now what?

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Right.
And I think the temple is

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actually specifically designed
to give us an answer to that

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question.
And the best way that I could

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understand this actually, it
starts with going modeling this

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off of the ancient Israel
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I don't know.
We know more about the

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Tabernacle than the temples.
And so we've got here a

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courtyard where we have the
basin of water, right?

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And we have an altar where the
animal sacrifices are performed.

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And then and there's a, there's
a gate, right?

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There's an out there's outside
of that you have, you know, the,

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the camp, but there's a, there's
a wall around the, the

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Tabernacle, right?
And so you pass in from the wall

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into the courtyard, and that's
where you find the altar and the

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and the basin or the larva.
I don't know how to pronounce

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it.
Right.

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And then the building itself, we
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Tabernacle.
And inside the Tabernacle we've

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got three primary objects.
We have this, the menorah, it's

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a A7 pointed candles, candle,
oil lamp thing, right?

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I don't know.
You must a Candlestick, but I

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believe it's actually oil.
You have the shrew bread table,

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and then you have an altar of
incense, and then there's a

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veil, and on the other side of
the veil you have the Ark of the

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Covenant within the Holy of
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OK, Yep.
So this is the this is the

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diagram that I want to start
with and I'm going to map onto

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this the endowment ordinance.
So we are going to start with

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the garden and I'm putting the
garden outside of the outside of

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the the the courtyard area.
That doesn't mean that the

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garden is the world, so to
speak, that the garden is a pre

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fall condition.
So from an analogy perspective,

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This Is Us before we enter into
life.

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This is the premortal realm,
right?

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Then the courtyard maps to the
telestial, X-ray to the

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terrestrial, and then the Holy
of Holies, the celestial.

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So pretty simple, right?
All right, so I want to start by

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just kind of going over how the
different aspects of the

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endowment map, and I'm going to
tie these to certain symbols,

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and we'll get into more of that
as we go.

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But first we have the law of
obedience, and that's given in

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the garden, right?
Right.

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And then we also have the law of
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in the garden.
Actually, I, I'm going to share

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some scriptures with some of
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So let's talk about the law of
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Obviously, what, what I'm kind
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right?
And with a map, there's like

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here, here's where you're at
now.

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But the point is, is to see the
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Right.
See where you've been and where

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you've got yet to go.
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that, I'm placing the law of
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I believe this is a actually a
pre mortal covenant before we

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entered into the the lone and
jury world, we before we were

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born, before we enter our gauge
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I believe that this law of
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foundational and central to
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And so in Abraham 3, we can read
in verse 24, starting at verse

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And there stood one among them

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that was liked unto God.
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with him, we will go down, for
there is space there, and we'll

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take of these materials, and we
will make an earth where on

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these may dwell.
And we will prove them herewith

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to see if they will do all
things whatsoever the Lord their

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God shall command them.
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estate shall be added upon.
And they who keep not their

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first estate shall not have
glory in the same Kingdom with

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those that keep their first
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And they who keep their second
estate shall have glory added

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upon their heads forever and
ever.

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So this law of obedience is
something that we entered into

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when we accepted God's plan.
So if we if we entered into that

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premortally, why would we need
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mortality?
Well, it's AI would say it's a

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renewal of that covenant and
many of these covenants, they

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have application in multi
layers.

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Maybe I should also clarify real
quick before we get too far into

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this that these are these are
mostly my ideas, right?

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This is not, this is not a
gospel act and and it's my best

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understanding of it, right?
And so if you've got better

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ideas, that's fine.
There's no problem with that.

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I'm not, this is not, I'm not
dogmatically stating anything

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here, but I just think that it's
useful to see this as a model.

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And even if you disagree with
the model, you'll probably see

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some really good, valuable stuff
to take away from it.

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OK, so maybe not so much
doctrine, but more more ideas.

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Right.
I guess the way I'm tying it all

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together isn't doctrine.
OK, right.

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The individual aspects
absolutely are though, right?

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Law of obedience.
We know that we obeyed 'cause

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we're here.
We kept our first estate.

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It's a good point, Yep.
If if we didn't keep our first

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estate, we wouldn't be here,
which means we chose God's plan.

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Right.
And so we already exercised that

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first step in obedience right
now.

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Another reason why I think it's,
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that in the garden is because
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This accompanies, this
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And so it's not, I mean, some of
these things, it's like you get

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there and it's kind of like, all
right, that's done, then you get

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there, that's done.
This law of obedience, though,

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it pulls forward to this point
where, you know, when does law

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of obedience begin?
Well, it began before we came.

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Right.
Does that make sense?

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That makes perfect sense.
And you're right there.

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There was a choice that we had
to make, you know, before we

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came here, right?
We did have to choose to be

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obedient to the plan or else we
wouldn't be here.

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We wouldn't have the body,
right?

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We would have fallen with the
other third.

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So that's.
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No, that makes perfect sense.
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And I don't have a verse here to
share on this, but the law of

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sacrifice, I think is very
closely connected to the law of

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obedience, right?
When you look at the the story

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of the creation after Adam and
Eve are expelled, the first

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thing you see Adam doing is
fulfilling the law of obedience

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by performing sacrifice as he
was told.

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And if you think about it, you
know the the earth was cursed.

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Right.
Adam's in the lone and dreary

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world and the the very first
thing we know that he does is he

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builds an altar so he can obey.
So I I kind of see obedience as

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the yin to the Yang of sacrifice
because obedience requires

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sacrifice.
Yes, there's no point in there's

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always another decision you can
make, right?

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And often there might be some
short term benefits to something

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like that.
Certainly for Adam, it would

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have been, it would have made a
lot more sense for him to have

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of to him to, to not be making
these sacrifices because you

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know, you got to provide it for
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You're in the slow and dreary
world.

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The garden's not just providing
everything you need anymore.

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Right.
And so the sacrifice is kind of

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a fulfillment of obedience.
Gotcha.

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And I also think this is another
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If you think about it, one of
the one of the requirements of

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coming down here was we had to
relinquish our memories, right?

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We we sacrificed our memories in
obedience to God's plan.

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And those were probably hard
things to give up, if you really

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think about it.
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I mean, that knowledge and that
comfort, that security that

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comes from the way that you've
got these eternal parents that

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are all powerful and right,
You're divine, You're one of

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their divine sons and daughters.
And I mean, to have to let go of

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that, that knowledge to be
tested, that's not an easy thing

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to do.
It's a hard thing to do.

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Yeah, No, I could.
Who?

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Yeah, I I didn't even think
about that.

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I mean, we put that in
perspective, right?

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We were all acquainted with our
father before we came here and

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our our other loved ones, right?
And so part of the plan is

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you're going to forget all that,
right?

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You're going to forget all about
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And I'm going to give you some
tools to help you get back.

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But ultimately it's up to you to
get back.

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And I shouldn't say just up to
us, right?

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We do need the atonement, but
you know, we're.

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The It's not our shelters
navigate.

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Yeah, we have to navigate that.
And so, yeah, no, that I never

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thought about that.
But yeah, there would have had

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to have been a willingness to
sacrifice in the pre mortal

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world to come here with kind of
a, you know, a veil of

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forgetfulness, right.
We forget who we are, we get

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forget where we came from and we
have to navigate that.

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Right.
Yeah.

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And so I'm going to come back to
these again, but I want to keep

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going for it.
So we have context and I'm going

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to come back.
So next in our in our journey

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through the endowment, we're
going to encounter, you know,

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the garment.
And this is the gate here.

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This is the gateway into the
lone and jury world.

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And the here's where we have
Moses chapter 4, and it says

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starting in verse 27 unto Adam
and also unto his wife did I the

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Lord God make a coat of skins
and clothed to them.

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And I the Lord God said unto
mine only begotten.

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Behold, the man has become as
one of us to know good and evil.

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And now, lest he put forth his
hand and partake also of the

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tree of life, and eat and live
forever, therefore I the Lord

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God will send him forth from the
garden of Eden to till the

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ground from whence he was taken.
So Adam and Eve are cast out,

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but they're they're given a
garment on their way out.

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Technically the garments between
the law of obedience and

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sacrifice, but it kind of makes
more sense.

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The way that I understand it is
this is the the garment.

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Is this this coat of skins?
You know, you know, I have a

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coat of skins on right now.
Even if you're born into the

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life with a coat of skins.
Right.

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It's your own.
Skin, right?

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Absolutely.
And no, it makes a lot of sense.

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And that's that transition here.
So.

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Next in the lone and dreary
world, right?

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And this terrestrial realm,
we're we're given this law of

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the Gospel.
And this really makes a lot of

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sense when you look at it with
the symbolism of the items here

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in the courtyard, right?
Right.

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You've got this basin where
you're you're doing these

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ritualistic washings and you
have an altar where you're

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making these ritualistic
sacrifices.

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Gotcha.
And so we've got the law of the

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gospel.
What exactly is the gospel?

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Well, this is 13527 and this is
Christ himself kind of

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explaining what the gospel is,
right?

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Starting in verse 13, he says,
Behold, I have given to you, I

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have given unto you my gospel,
and this is the gospel which I

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have given unto you, that I came
into the world to do the will of

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my Father, because the Father
sent me, and my Father sent me,

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that I might be lifted up upon
the cross.

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And after that I have been
lifted up upon the cross, that I

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might draw all men unto me.
That as I have been lifted up by

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men, Even so should men be
lifted up by the Father, to

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stand before Me, to be judged of
their works, whether they be

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good or whether they be evil.
And for this cause have I been

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lifted up.
Therefore, according to the

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power of the Father, I will draw
all men unto me, that they may

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be judged according to their
works.

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And it shall come to pass that
whosoever repenteth and is

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baptized in my name shall be
filled.

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And he that endureth to the end,
behold unto him I will hold

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guiltless before the Father at
that day when I shall stand to

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judge the world.
So if you think about Adam's

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cast out of the garden, the
first thing again you see him

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doing there is he's at he's at
an altar and he's he's making a

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sacrifice.
He doesn't know why he's making

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that sacrifice right away,
right?

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Right.
It's not later until an Angel

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comes and reveals to him
basically the gospel.

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Right.
And he's taught what the Gospel

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is.
And so the symbolism of the the

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altar where the sacrifice is
made and the basin of water, we

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just read what is what is the
law?

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Well, the law is to do what
Christ told us to do in the

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Gospel, which is repent and be
baptized.

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Right.
And then also be reliant upon

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his sacrifice for it, right?
Exactly.

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Recognize.
That's why the altar.

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Would be there OK?
Nope, that tracks.

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Yeah.
And so let's continue on our

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journey.
Next, we're going to come to the

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Robes, right, Robes of the
priesthood.

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And this is the entrance into
the sanctuary on this map.

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This is what you do in
preparation to enter in.

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And if you think about the
endowment, it's also stated

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explicitly, I mean, there's an
initial, well, there's, there's

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two ways that the ropes are
presented, right.

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Right.
But specifically the second one,

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it's given with the express
purpose that the the the second

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time it's given so that they can
so that we can move into the

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terrestrial room, we can enter
into the sanctuary.

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Right.
So the robes are then

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symbolically prep symbolic of
this door to the sanctuary, the

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steps to the sanctuary.
Got you.

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So moving on, we now enter into
the sanctuary and we the first

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law we're going to explore here
is the law of chastity.

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Right.
And I'm putting the law of

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chastity here with that menorah.
Maybe I should go that way

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instead.
No, this is good, this is good.

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Let's keep going.
So why am I sticking law of

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chastity with the menorah?
I think there's some symbolism

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here that is really important,
and this can be explored a lot

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more depth.
But just for now, I want to

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share First Corinthians Chapter
11 starting in verse 11.

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And it says nevertheless,
neither is the man without the

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woman, neither the woman without
the man and the Lord.

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For as the woman is in is of the
man, Even so is the man also by

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the woman, but all things of
God.

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So.
The law of chastity, it's a,

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it's a certain you, if you look
at it from a certain degree,

450
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,040
it's a prohibit.
It's a prohibitation, right?

451
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,960
It's don't adulterate yourself.
Right.

452
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,960
But another way of looking at it
is the proscription of binding

453
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,560
yourself, creating a family.
Right.

454
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Because we, we ultimately, we
don't come unto God on our own.

455
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,280
And if you look at the
Candlestick, we know that the

456
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,640
man is appointed as as the head
of the family, right?

457
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Right.
And so you've, you've got that

458
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:27,080
central, central light.
Right.

459
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,120
And then the.
And then on the sides, we have

460
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:35,960
the other flames, which I think
can be symbolic not only of, of

461
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,800
children and wife, but wives as
well.

462
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,680
And so I, I see the law of
chastity.

463
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840
It's they're being all brought
together in one.

464
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,320
You have these separate flames
that are all united on a single

465
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800
on a single.
Gotcha.

466
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,160
Menorah.
I see what you're Yeah, No, I

467
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,800
see the symbolism there.
OK.

468
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,720
And you see how they're all
bound together.

469
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,400
Yep, Yep, that makes sense.
We're going to go over those

470
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,920
many times, so we're going to
keep layering each time we go,

471
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,720
so let's keep going for now.
Next we got the Law of

472
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Consecration, and I'm sticking
that up here at the table of the

473
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,360
shrew bread.
Gotcha.

474
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,760
And maybe for now, well now
let's go into this.

475
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,200
Actually, let's actually step
back.

476
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Even I want to go back to the
robes in Revelation Chapter 7,

477
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,960
starting in verse 13, we read
this is John's vision, right?

478
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,360
So John's, John the Beloved is
having this vision.

479
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,320
And in it he sees a bunch of
elders.

480
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,320
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me, what are these

481
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,960
which are arrayed in white
robes?

482
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,400
And whence came they?
And I said unto him, Sir, thou

483
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,680
knowest.
Or I guess that's a way of

484
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,000
saying I don't know, but you do.
Please stop it.

485
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,480
And he said unto me, These are
they which came out of great

486
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,080
tribulation, and have been, and
have washed their robes, and

487
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,400
made them white in the blood of
the Lamb.

488
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Therefore are they before the
throne of God, to serve him day

489
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,240
and night in his temple.
And he said it on the throne,

490
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,080
and shall dwell among them.
So with this, the throne of God,

491
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
the Ark of the Covenant, is the
throne of God over there in the

492
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,200
Holy of Holies.
Right.

493
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,040
Right.
But there are these that are

494
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,920
wearing these robes and they're
white robes, and it says that

495
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,080
these robes have been washed and
made white through the blood of

496
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,880
the Lamb.
Interesting.

497
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640
So so.
Let me ask you this question.

498
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,520
In that scripture, it said they
are they who who have endured

499
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,440
great tribulation.
What do you think it's talking

500
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,800
about there specifically?
Oh, well, we'll definitely get

501
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,240
to be getting into that.
OK.

502
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:54,880
All right.
Next.

503
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Layer, move, move along.
I'm just moving ahead.

504
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,320
Yeah, yeah.
So, so I'm putting a lot of

505
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320
consecration up there at the
table of shrew bread.

506
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:11,040
And I think it is involved in
this concept of, well, the robes

507
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,600
I believe are connected to this
law of to this law of

508
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,560
consecration and the true bread
table.

509
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,880
And this is This is why I'm
mapping that there specifically

510
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,360
again, this time what we're
going to Jacob chapter 1 and

511
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,880
starting in verse 7, it says
wherefore we labor diligently

512
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,720
among our people.
Actually, let me clarify.

513
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,000
Let me talk about this.
Table of shrew bread real.

514
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,960
Quick, this table of shrew bread
has 12 loaves of bread on it,

515
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,160
one for one for each of the
House of Israel.

516
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,720
And there's this table is
refreshed every week.

517
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
And when it's refreshed, the
priests will basically they

518
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,320
would, they would go in and they
would eat the eat the bread and

519
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:01,520
they would take that bread with
wine and they would, and then

520
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,720
they would replace the replace
the bread with fresh bread.

521
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Gotcha.
OK.

522
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,440
So with that in mind, right
wherefore we labor diligently

523
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,320
among our people, that we might
persuade them to come into

524
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200
Christ and partake of the
goodness of God, that they might

525
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,480
enter into his, into his rest,
which entering into his rest

526
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,640
would be entering into the holy
folies, right?

527
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Right.
Lest by any means he should

528
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,440
swear in his wrath, that they
should not enter, as in the

529
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280
provocation in the days of
temptation, while the children

530
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,880
of Israel were in the
wilderness.

531
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Wherefore we would to God that
we could persuade all men not to

532
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,920
rebel against God, to provoke
him to anger, but that all men

533
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,880
would believe in Christ, and
view his death, and suffer his

534
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,200
cross, and bear the shame of the
world.

535
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Wherefore I, Jacob, take it upon
me to fulfill the commandment of

536
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,720
my brother Nephi.
And then specifically down at

537
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,680
19, it says, And we did magnify
our office unto the Lord, taking

538
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,360
upon us the responsibility,
answering the sins of the people

539
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,760
upon our own heads, if we did
not teach them the word of God

540
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,280
with all diligence.
Wherefore by laboring with our

541
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,280
might, their blood might not
come upon our garments,

542
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,240
otherwise their blood would come
upon our garments, and we would

543
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,080
not be found spotless at the
last day.

544
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,800
So we have this perspective here
of, of, of laboring in the

545
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,800
priesthood, right?
Right.

546
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,880
And we have the true bread
table, which looks an awful lot

547
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,000
like a sacrament table where a
priest would would exercise

548
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,320
priesthood to bless or to in
sacramenting opportunity to

549
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,160
teach the people.
And what does the law of

550
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,480
consecration have to do with
that?

551
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Well, I believe it's because the
law of consecration involves the

552
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,440
consecration of our time and our
talents as well.

553
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400
It's not just a, it's not just a
material commandment.

554
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400
It's asking a lot more of us
than that.

555
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Right, you know, and and
sometimes I think we look at

556
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,240
sacrifice as kind of an event,
right?

557
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,080
This is something I'm going to
sacrifice to the Lord

558
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,000
consecrations a little
different, right, in that you're

559
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,720
not saying you're willing to die
for the Lord, which I look, I

560
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,640
think we all should be to some
extent, right?

561
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,160
We should be willing to lay down
the utmost for God, but with the

562
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,160
law of consecration, it's
something different.

563
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,720
And, and I think it has a lot to
do with saying you're going to

564
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
live for God, right?
And some of those scriptures you

565
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520
just read talked about, you
know, these are going to be the

566
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,400
things that you have to do.
And, and for those who have the

567
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,760
priesthood within the
restoration, the idea is, is

568
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120
that you are now consecrated or
you should be consecrated,

569
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,920
right?
That you'll drop anything at the

570
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,640
drop of a hat to go help a
brother.

571
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,640
And look, without getting too
specific, you're a perfect

572
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,080
example of that.
And I know you've helped me out

573
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,760
in tremendous ways as of late
and, and I can't thank you

574
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,159
enough.
But that's the sort of thing

575
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,520
that we need to be willing to
do, right, is to live that that

576
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,080
kind of consecrated life so
that, you know, when it comes

577
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,520
time to serve, you go serve,
right.

578
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,639
That's that's what I think it's
driving at.

579
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,080
Right, Well, I've got a long
ways to go still, but I do.

580
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,719
I do love what Jacob says about
wasting and wearing out our

581
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,960
lives right.
Yep.

582
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,360
That they're giving everything
100% all in.

583
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,480
Right.
And that is a priestly office.

584
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:56,159
And so I see the lost
consecration maps to me maps to

585
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,160
that shoe bread table, makes a
lot of sense there.

586
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,120
And so we then have the incense
altar.

587
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,360
So the incense altar is kind of
interesting.

588
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,080
So this is a, it's an altar,
just like the altar outside.

589
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,440
However, instead of animal
sacrifice being performed on it,

590
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,440
this is an altar where incense
is burned and the smoke rises up

591
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,000
into heaven.
And I, I, I don't know for sure

592
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,960
about ancient Hebrew traditions,
but I know certainly in a Native

593
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,840
American traditions, smoke is
symbolic of prayer.

594
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,120
It's something that's ethereal.
You can't see it, you can't

595
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,400
touch it.
Just like a prayer, right?

596
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,280
You say your prayer and this,
this something, this part of you

597
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,840
is reaching up into the heavens,
reaching up to God.

598
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,000
And it's something you can't
see, but you can feel it.

599
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,400
Maybe you can kind of see it,
but it's more of a spiritual

600
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,480
sacrifice being made.
And that spiritual sacrifice is,

601
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,080
is going up to God.
And so, and this also, the altar

602
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,160
of incense is placed right next
to the veil.

603
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,480
And So what I see here is the
lecture at the veil in the

604
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,920
prayer circle.
OK, that makes sense.

605
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,360
And if you think about what
happens in a prayer circle,

606
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,600
right, it involves prayer and
involves an altar.

607
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Yep.
And I, I threw the lecture in

608
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,640
there as well, just because
we'll, we'll get more to that in

609
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,000
just a minute.
And then finally there's the

610
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,840
veil.
And this is really easy to

611
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400
understand why the veil would be
symbolically beat the veil,

612
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,400
right?
Yep.

613
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,120
I don't know if I don't know if
any more need be said about that

614
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,920
one.
Nope.

615
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:52,480
So with that, this is how I see
our modern LDS endowment and

616
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,600
temple worship maps onto the
into the ancient Israeli

617
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Israelite Temple Tabernacle.
And now with that I want to show

618
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,880
how this is a map.
OK.

619
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,360
So we're going to go back to the
beginning again, to the law of

620
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,280
obedience and sacrifice.
Oh, now that we're here too, I

621
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,200
want to show you something else
that's fascinating here with the

622
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,080
law of sacrifice.
There are three altars in this

623
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,840
diagram.
Right.

624
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,080
The, there's the altar in the
courtyard where the animal

625
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,040
sacrifices are made.
There is the altar of incense.

626
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,920
And then the, the Ark of the
covenant is also an altar.

627
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,440
And on the Day of Atonement, the
priest would take blood from the

628
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,960
altar where the sacrifices are
made and they would bring them

629
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,800
in and mark the, the altar of
incense and the, and the ark of

630
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920
the covenant with that blood.
Interesting.

631
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,480
And the law of sacrifice, again,
it's outside, it's in the

632
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,440
garden.
This is a, we kind of come in

633
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,800
with this.
It's, it's, it's kind of outside

634
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,320
of the world in a way, because I
believe that there's, there's

635
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,000
layers to it.
So the first layer is very

636
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,120
simple.
It's right there in the

637
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,520
courtyard, There's an altar
right there.

638
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,160
This is where you are
performing.

639
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,880
You know, in our modern day, we,
we don't do animal sacrifices,

640
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,920
but we redo our covenants
through the sacrament.

641
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Right.
Right.

642
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,400
And we're doing this work on
that altar.

643
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Yep.
But who are we doing that work

644
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,440
for?
That would be for, for

645
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
ourselves, right?
We're, we're laying stuff on

646
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,080
there from, from ourselves,
right?

647
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,240
When we go to partake of the
sacrament, we're, we're trying

648
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,720
to clean out the junk, right?
All all the crap that we got to

649
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,280
get rid of so that we can
progress.

650
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Right, Exactly right.
So this is an altar that's

651
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,240
focused on us and our salvation.
When you look at the altar of

652
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:02,040
incense, this is an altar where
the scope has now gotten bigger.

653
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,400
And if you think about when when
a prayer circle is performed,

654
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,000
one of one of the core aspects,
one of the core traditions we

655
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,400
have with with that is we put
names on that altar.

656
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,920
We're not working at this altar
to exalt ourselves.

657
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,920
We're working at this altar to
exalt others, and so the scope

658
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,480
just got bigger.
It's still the law of sacrifice,

659
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,720
but it's a bigger scope we've
added.

660
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Right.
And then finally we have the we

661
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:42,880
have the ark of the covenant and
the work, the work that's done

662
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,440
there is the the work of eternal
lives.

663
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,200
So this law of sacrifice, I
believe, is central to all of

664
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:58,840
this because this is where God
sacrifices his Son, Jesus

665
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Christ.
This perfect sacrifice is made

666
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,320
so that we can all become
partakers, so that his entire

667
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,280
family can be redeemed.
And we're not there yet.

668
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:18,080
But as we follow this plan in
this map, the end goal is that

669
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,040
we want to become exalted beings
ourselves.

670
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,160
And to have an eternal
posterity, and within that the

671
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,000
law of sacrifice still applies
though.

672
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,720
OK.
But now, rather than sacrificing

673
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,160
for yourself, rather than
sacrificing for your brothers

674
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,560
and sisters, now you're
sacrificing for an eternal

675
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,880
posterity.
Right.

676
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,200
So the scope just got infinite.
It starts with you, gets a

677
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,080
little bit bigger, and then
stretches off into the

678
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,640
eternities.
Makes perfect sense.

679
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,440
So with that, here's how I see
our our journey through this

680
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,520
diagram.
We're going to start in the

681
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,680
garden and we kept our first
estate.

682
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,440
And so this one we can check off
to a degree, to a degree because

683
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,480
we did keep our first estate.
But I think there's still yet

684
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,600
work to be done because we are
now in our second estate and

685
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,880
what principles governing govern
keeping our second estate?

686
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Well, I think it's the exact
same ones as keeping our first

687
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,920
estate, obedience and sacrifice.
Right.

688
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Well, and it would make sense on
why, why those would be here

689
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,320
again, Right.
We talked about that, that we

690
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,640
did some of this before we came
here.

691
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,800
But it's one thing to do it when
you know you're in the presence

692
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,960
of God.
It's another thing to do it when

693
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,280
you're kind of left on your own,
right and you have to make a

694
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,000
choice.
Yeah, exactly.

695
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,680
Yep.
So we've got keeping our first

696
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:56,280
estate and then we're born.
Right.

697
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,000
And we receive a body, and we
enter into this fallen world.

698
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Gotcha.
And within this fallen world,

699
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:09,600
the first thing we need to do is
we need to be baptized, right?

700
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,560
That's that's really entering in
the way.

701
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:15,400
And so you could almost really
put that right at that entrance

702
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,840
way too, because that's this is
how we really begin.

703
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,160
We come out of the world and
into the courtyard and we start

704
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,560
with we start with baptism and
sacrament and we renew with

705
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,880
sacrament.
So, you know, again, so keep

706
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,920
being first date, probably check
birth, check baptism and

707
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080
sacrament.
You know, I can say check there.

708
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,120
I've been baptized.
I've I've and I and I renewed

709
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,120
that covenant through sacrament.
Next, we've got priesthood

710
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,720
ordination, of which we are
looking at 2 separate

711
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,960
ordinations.
We're looking at an ironic

712
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,840
ordination and a Melchizedek
ordination, right?

713
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,560
And I believe that's right there
on this journey.

714
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,960
The next stop.
Now this, the order switched

715
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
around a little bit.
It gets a little bit confusing

716
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,960
in the sanctuary with the three
things in there.

717
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,880
Sure, but.
It's priesthood service.

718
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,760
We basically, we, we exercise
our priesthood in, in service to

719
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,320
help others.
Now, for any women listening,

720
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,480
you're like, well, wait, I
don't, I didn't stop there,

721
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,240
right?
This isn't, this wasn't part of

722
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:34,560
my journey.
Well, it, it's not and it is.

723
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,960
We'll get more into that again
later, but there's a very

724
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,600
specific difference between men
and women as they go through the

725
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,000
temple in the initiatory.
There's some differences.

726
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,120
And at the very beginning, we
are introduced with a with a

727
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,400
opportunity.
Right.

728
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,480
So I'm going to talk about the
opportunity just a minute.

729
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,720
But basically, as men, we have
an an extra obligation in our

730
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,720
journey to become clean from the
bloods and sins of this

731
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:12,360
generation, right?
And we just looked at Jacob and

732
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,760
what did Jacob show us?
He showed us that the way we do

733
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,720
that is through service in the
priesthood.

734
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,360
Right.
And actually, that whole thing

735
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,280
is fascinating because if you
look, what if you look right

736
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,640
before Jacob, you have Nephi.
And Nephi is basically teaching

737
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,320
law of the gospel.
Yeah.

738
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,640
And then we come on to Jacob and
he's teaching about this

739
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,440
priesthood service.
And then what is he going on to

740
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,120
talk about?
He talks about law of chastity,

741
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,600
law of consecration in a sense.
Right.

742
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Well, I think it's important to
note here too, that that the

743
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,520
Savior makes a very clear
connection to this, right?

744
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,920
When he says in the New
Testament, those who lose their

745
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,680
lives shall find it again,
right?

746
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,120
And I think what he's talking
about is just this, get lost in

747
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,160
the work, right?
Just pour your whole self into

748
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,320
it.
And I think the promise is, is

749
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,560
not only is he going to meet us
at that point, but he's also

750
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,920
going to, because we know begin
to know God better.

751
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,440
We know who we are more right.
We can be honest with ourselves.

752
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,080
We can the ego's a funny thing,
right?

753
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,920
It's placed there so we all
don't just wind up under the

754
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,600
desk because we just suck,
right?

755
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,440
The ego helps guard against
that.

756
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,960
So if, if we some, sometimes I
think if we saw what, what Nephi

757
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,960
saw, you know, when he says,
gosh, and they're lower than the

758
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,720
dust of the earth and those
sorts of things, we'd never get

759
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,600
anything done.
We'd be like, what's the point,

760
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,080
right?
However, as we go grow closer to

761
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,880
God, that light illuminates who
we really are, right?

762
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,400
So we can look and say, yeah, we
got some stuff we got to work

763
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,840
out, but that doesn't mean
you're worthless, right?

764
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,880
That's that's the hope that that
Christ offers us.

765
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,040
There is not only just the
atonement, which is massive, but

766
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,080
also an idea of as you, as you
come to know God in Christ more,

767
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,320
you're going to come to know
yourself more intimately as

768
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400
well.
And that's going to give you,

769
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,800
that's going to give you a
place, so to speak, in time, in

770
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,160
time and space from a
theological point of view.

771
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,040
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And so it just makes sense.

772
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Preset service, you've got the
table of shrewbred right there

773
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,640
and associated law of
consecration.

774
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,000
It's a part of this journey, at
least for men specifically.

775
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,320
So next we're going to come over
here to the endowment, which I'm

776
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,160
placing here at the, at the
altar of incense next to the

777
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,480
next to the veil.
The reason I'm placing the

778
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,200
endowment here is because if you
look back at the lecture through

779
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,920
the veil, everything, the, the
whole map is laid out again.

780
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,160
Even though you've just, even
though you're part way through

781
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,600
this process at this point in
the endowment, you're going to

782
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,000
go over everything again because
you're receiving the

783
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,640
instructions you're being told.
Here is your map.

784
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,520
Here's your map to navigate
this.

785
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,240
This is what this journey looks
like.

786
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,240
And you might think, well, it
seems a little late in the

787
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:21,720
journey to be getting the map,
but we've got a long ways to go.

788
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,600
We've got a long way.
So we're just getting started.

789
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,120
So we receive our endowment and
then after we've been endowed,

790
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,440
now we can be sealed in the
temple to a spouse, spouses.

791
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,520
And so marriage ceiling, a place
right there at the menorah

792
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:45,560
underneath the loft chastity.
And so for most of us, this is

793
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,400
kind of the, this is the path,
right?

794
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,600
We're bored.
We get baptized, you see the

795
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,840
priesthood, if that's
appropriate.

796
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,480
You get endowed, you get sealed.
And you know, once you've

797
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,560
checked all this stuff off, you
can be like, hey, I made it.

798
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,200
I'm done.
But are you?

799
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,160
I'm done, I'm done.
I'm there.

800
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,840
I've arrived.
But have you?

801
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,520
So this is one of the first kind
of mysteries I'm going to going

802
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,640
to bring up here a little bit
and I'm not going to talk about

803
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:20,680
it too much, but there is, well,
actually before I get there,

804
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,600
even even before I get there,
see, this is where the

805
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,800
disappointment maybe sets in
because you've gone through all

806
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,840
of this and you might be looking
at yourself and saying, you

807
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,600
know, sure, I've learned a lot,
I've grown a lot, but I have so

808
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,760
far from perfection.
Right.

809
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:45,040
Where, where do I, how do I,
when do I become healed from all

810
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,000
of all of these things that are,
that are not right with me?

811
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,280
When do I enter into the
presence of God?

812
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,120
And that's why we're given this
map, I think.

813
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,040
I think This is why the
endowment is presented the way

814
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,840
that it is, because we're going
to explore this in just a minute

815
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,160
from a Cabalic perspective or a
from a cult perspective and a

816
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,080
gold, a cult.
Technically a cult just means

817
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,000
something that's hidden,
something that's a secret.

818
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:25,040
And you know, things are kept
secret for the purpose of

819
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,840
keeping them sacred and holy at
an appropriate time and place.

820
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:35,000
And so to a certain degree,
it's, you could actually look at

821
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,120
the whole temple ordinance and
endowment process as a cult.

822
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,320
In fact, outside outsiders from
our religion would definitely

823
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,920
see it that way because that's
where you go to be taught the

824
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,200
mysteries, whereas it's not just
printed publicly and it's not

825
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
just shared with everybody.
You, you got to, you got to kind

826
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,520
of qualify to get there, right?
Right.

827
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,800
And if you look at this whole
process, there are

828
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,800
qualifications.
First of all, we had to keep our

829
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,640
first estate so we can enter
into this telestral world.

830
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,720
While you're there, you have to
be baptized and, and for the men

831
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,280
you need to receive the
priesthood so you can then

832
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,280
eventually continue on and then
you can go in and you know,

833
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,480
priesthood service that could be
colleagues as well.

834
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,280
Right, right.
You hold colleagues in the

835
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,840
priesthood, you receive your
endowment, you get sealed to

836
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,320
your spouse, and those things
aren't available to you in the T

837
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,520
last year.
They're not available in the

838
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,000
courtyard.
Right.

839
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,840
You need to be baptized and men
need to have the priesthood

840
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,080
first.
So you can see that there are

841
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,600
these gates, these walls, right?
Right.

842
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,360
Well, the veil is also one of
these barriers, the third

843
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,120
barrier here.
And just like the previous ones,

844
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,920
the Veil requires an
understanding and a certain

845
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,200
amount of mastery.
Gotcha.

846
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,240
Of what's in front of the veil
in this area.

847
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:58,160
And so there is one last
ordinance specifically here that

848
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,920
we haven't talked about, which
is the second anointing.

849
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,240
Yeah.
And I'm placing the second

850
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,320
anointing here in the Holy of
Holies, underneath the veil.

851
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:16,240
And this is, as far as I'm
aware, at least at least as far

852
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,360
as I've been aware, the absolute
final, absolute final ordinance

853
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,360
in this in this journey.
Right.

854
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,880
But even there, it doesn't
necessarily mean you've you've

855
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,720
arrived receiving your second
one is still it's an outward

856
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:32,000
ordinance.
Right.

857
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,440
And so it doesn't mean you've
arrived, but I want to talk a

858
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,680
little bit about how you get
there because the veil is, is

859
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,320
what we have right there in
front of it.

860
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:47,920
And if you look at this as I've
kind of put forth, in order to

861
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,200
receive your second anointing,
what is required?

862
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,240
Well, you have to have.
You have to have a marriage of

863
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,760
some sort.
Right.

864
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,360
The ordinance is the This is an
ordinance that is absolute, that

865
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,160
is dependent upon a man and a
woman.

866
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,400
Right.
And you also kind of have to

867
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,160
have to have the priesthood and
have served in the priesthood to

868
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,120
a certain degree as well.
So the second anointing is given

869
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,600
by Revelation, right?
Right.

870
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,880
However, it's given by
revelation, by your priesthood,

871
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,040
and you would be recognized to
receive that by your priesthood

872
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,760
because you've been laboring in,
in that priesthood, you've been

873
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,560
serving in that priesthood and
having done service in it, you,

874
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,840
you, you know, you can be
recognized that, that, oh, you

875
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,520
know, whoever that is in, in the
LDS Church, I'm not sure who it

876
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,480
is who makes those decisions, if
it's the quorum of the 12 or

877
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,040
certain 70s.
But either way, whether in your

878
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,880
LDS church or in a
fundamentalist group, priesthood

879
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,280
service is a requirement as
well, because you won't be

880
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,440
nominated to receive it without
having made yourself manifest.

881
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,160
Right.
And then finally in the

882
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,480
endowment, I believe has another
layer here and I believe that it

883
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:20,240
is work for the dead, doing
endowment, using the temple and

884
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,040
doing, performing baptism and,
and, and endowments, basically

885
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,760
these other things for the, for
your, for your ancestors and

886
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,160
bringing them into the, into the
covenants of God.

887
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,480
And when you are performing
these three things, when these

888
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,560
three things have been met, then
you can receive the second

889
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,400
anointing.
Can can I jump in here for just

890
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,360
a second?
Talking about vicarious work

891
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,480
here.
Yeah.

892
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,200
There there is, I have heard
where people have been like, you

893
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,440
know, gosh, I, I don't see, I, I
don't feel a calling to do that

894
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,240
work right.
And So what does that mean?

895
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,720
That means you're going to go to
the temple once and you're going

896
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,080
to think that you checked the
box.

897
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:10,280
As as with all things in God's
Kingdom, very rarely do you find

898
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,920
something that just serves one
purpose, right?

899
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,040
Right.
When, when we, we do an act of

900
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,880
service here for somebody else,
not only is the person who

901
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,480
receives that act of service
grateful, but a lot of times, or

902
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,200
at least in my case, I feel good
when I'm of service to somebody

903
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,000
else, right.
So we can see how it works on

904
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,520
both, on both parties there.
Now, vicarious work for the dead

905
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,480
is going to do the same thing
for you.

906
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,240
If you go to the temple once,
look good for you.

907
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,400
You took that step.
That was huge.

908
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:55,280
But if you don't go back, how
else are you going to dive in to

909
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,760
some of these things we're
talking about, right?

910
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,840
I, I firmly believe that the
restored gospel is kind of like

911
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,200
spiritual exposure therapy,
right?

912
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,200
You have to be exposed to it.
You have to sit in it.

913
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,600
You have to, to dive in and, and
spend the time in that place.

914
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,200
And so when you go to the temple
for somebody else, not only are

915
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,320
you doing their work, right, and
not only are you providing a

916
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,600
service to that person who can't
progress any farther without

917
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,760
that, you are enriched as well,
right?

918
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,920
You can then go to the celestial
room and sit and gain your own

919
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,520
personal revelation.
You can then understand those

920
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,400
covenants that you made when you
first went through.

921
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,240
And look, this whole series has
been, has been from a place of

922
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,920
hoping to help people get
prepared to go.

923
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,280
And so when they go, you know
it, it's not as overwhelming.

924
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,360
But make no mistake, your first
time through, it's going to be

925
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,560
like drinking from a fire hose,
right?

926
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,960
And that's a good thing, right?
That's a good thing, because as

927
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,840
you take your names of your
family members back and you

928
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,840
start doing vicarious work for
the dead, you will become better

929
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,560
acquainted with with the
covenant you made, and that's

930
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,280
going to tell you what you need
to do in your life now.

931
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:24,800
Likewise, not only does that
does that happen, but also you

932
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,080
are going to get so much
revelation there.

933
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,640
And the temple liturgy itself is
almost like scripture.

934
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,600
It's going to mean certain
things to you, different things

935
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,880
to you at different points in
your life depending on where you

936
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,240
are in that walk.
And so this idea of just going

937
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,880
through once, don't shortchange
yourself, spend the time, think

938
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,640
of it if you have to, is going
to the gym.

939
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,320
Sometimes you don't feel like
going, but once you get there

940
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,880
and you get it done and you walk
out, you're really glad you did.

941
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,400
And this, it's super important
that people go back and they do

942
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,280
vicarious work for the head
anyway, that that's all I had

943
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,120
there.
All right well, no, I think

944
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,080
you're absolutely correct there.
And one of the really cool

945
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,920
things is this is just a model
that I'm presenting here, right?

946
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,040
It's one of many models.
The temple is a, a multi

947
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,520
dimensional building and you can
take this symbolism and these

948
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,680
laws, these these ordinances and
have an entirely different

949
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,720
perspective on them from a
different dimension.

950
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,720
And they can all be true at the
same time too, right?

951
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,880
And so like you're saying, it
kind of evolves and, you know,

952
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,080
just to speak on doing work for
the dead.

953
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,200
So here's the thing.
None of us would be here if not

954
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,520
for our parents.
Right.

955
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,720
And they wouldn't be here if not
for their parents.

956
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,760
Yep.
And they wouldn't be there if

957
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,880
not for their parents.
I think that this work of

958
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,880
salvation and exaltation is a
generational family effort.

959
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:03,320
And you know, there's a, there's
a trend of people and I, I think

960
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,640
there's a certain amount of
truth to this, of trying to heal

961
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,400
trauma in their genealogy.
Right.

962
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,480
You know, if, if your dad's an
alcoholic, then you know that

963
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,840
trauma might get passed down to
you and it might create

964
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,880
struggles and difficulties and,
and well, why was your, but why

965
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,000
was your dad an alcoholic?
What did he get from his dad?

966
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,680
What did he get from his dad?
We have these, these, these

967
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,160
negative experiences that kind
of we inherit through our family

968
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,600
land, right?
And I believe part of the what

969
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,960
we're doing is, is we are
through redeeming our dead.

970
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,880
We're, we're healing our, we're
healing our past as well.

971
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,560
It, it heals us because when
we're doing that work, if you,

972
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,480
if your great grandfather had
some problem and, and, and it

973
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,400
passed on to and passed on and
passed on generationally, if he

974
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,240
receives his baptism and his
endowment, he, he has to be

975
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,480
healed.
Yeah.

976
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,760
And that power of him being
healed, I think has a has a

977
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,680
ripple effect down to yourself.
So you're empowering yourself as

978
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:14,720
well?
Yep.

979
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,840
And the other thing is you also
are literally empowering

980
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,320
yourself because whereas our
ancestors, we might have a whole

981
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,640
bunch of ancestors right now
sitting in spirit prison.

982
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:25,800
Yep.
And all they're doing is

983
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,520
twirling their thumbs, waiting.
Yep.

984
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,520
You know what they could be
doing helping us.

985
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Right.
Oh man, I wish.

986
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,080
I won't name the gentleman's
name because I'm not sure he'd

987
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,600
be comfortable with me doing it.
But a guy who who worked on the

988
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,640
temple a lot and had a lot of
experiences talks about this

989
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,960
very thing, right?
That as we do this temple work,

990
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,320
we get more help from the other
side, right, To, to do the

991
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,360
things that we need to do 'cause
they have a vested interest in

992
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,640
it, right?
They are not simply spectators

993
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,320
watching, right?
And just like you said, there's

994
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,640
there is generational trauma.
But look, an infinite and

995
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,400
eternal atonement.
Those two words, infinite and

996
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,160
eternal, tells me that the
Atonement works the same way on

997
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,560
the other side as it does here,
right?

998
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,080
Yeah.
And So what we're doing is we

999
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,920
are allowing others to make the
same covenants and approach the

1000
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,120
Lord in a more meaningful way,
right?

1001
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,320
And with that, I also think it's
important that not only is there

1002
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,320
generational trauma, though,
there's also generational

1003
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,440
blessings.
And I think every generation,

1004
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,440
regardless of whether they have
the gospel or not, they try to

1005
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,920
make the world a better place
for their children.

1006
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,240
Whatever baggage they've got
their, their desires and hopes

1007
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,280
is that their children will have
just a little bit less.

1008
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,640
And sometimes those things can
swing other directions, right

1009
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,800
where you get, you know,
rebellion and, and children that

1010
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,280
become the exact opposite and
things like that.

1011
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,320
But even even those efforts, it
just shows that generationally

1012
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,800
we have a lot to be grateful for
for our ancestors as well.

1013
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,920
Absolutely.
They might have passed down some

1014
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,120
negative things, but they've
passed down a lot more positive

1015
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,040
things than that.
The very most important is life

1016
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,560
itself.
Right.

1017
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,480
Whatever failings our ancestors
had, they at least made the

1018
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,560
sacrifice of having a family, or
at least trying to have a

1019
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,240
family.
They they tried to to bring

1020
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,680
forth life.
They chose to bring forth life

1021
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,720
and try to provide better for it
than they had.

1022
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:50,960
Absolutely.
And so, yeah, so with that, we,

1023
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,200
we, we've got this kind of path
laid out.

1024
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,040
We can go from our birth to all
the way second anointing.

1025
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:02,240
But we arrived.
So this is something that I've

1026
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:11,560
always was curious about because
I know before I received my

1027
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,000
endowment, I kind of had this
idea that you're going to go to

1028
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,640
the temple, you're going to
receive your endowment, you're

1029
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,840
going to go into the celestial
room, and Jesus is going to be

1030
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,080
there to greet you, right?
Right, right.

1031
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,800
I mean, symbolically we, we pass
through the veil in the, in the

1032
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,560
endowment and we enter into that
and we do enter into that space.

1033
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,480
But this is just, it's, it's
done symbolically, right?

1034
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,720
We still have work to do.
So there's no necessarily

1035
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,520
disappointment.
You don't need to be

1036
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,920
disappointed because you've you,
you think you've arrived and

1037
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,000
you're not there.
You can be grateful that there's

1038
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,640
there's more to it.
And to really dig into this, I

1039
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,680
want to actually first share
some perspectives.

1040
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,320
We're going to go, we're going
to get a little crazy here with

1041
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:07,760
some occultism, so I'm just
going to share a couple examples

1042
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,440
because these they're kind of
important.

1043
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,400
Now this is Kabbalah here,
right?

1044
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,480
Yeah, this is Kabbalah.
So on the left, here we have the

1045
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,560
Tree of Life.
Hold on, is it Kabbalah?

1046
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,560
Before we dive in there, there
could be some people who aren't

1047
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,400
familiar with what Kabbalah is.
Can you can you kind of give an

1048
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,640
an explanation of what that is
exactly?

1049
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,280
Yeah.
So Kabbalah is basically it's a

1050
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,960
Hebrew occultism or Hebrew
mysticism.

1051
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,840
It's.
Founded on on, on this heat on

1052
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,200
the Hebrew religion, faith
documents things like that.

1053
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,760
However it goes, it's it's
trying to get somewhere further.

1054
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,600
And I mean I've got I'll just
give you my opinion on on what

1055
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,520
the Kabbalah is.
My opinion is Kabbalah is a

1056
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:08,320
decent attempt at overcoming
what was lost at Mount Sinai for

1057
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:14,520
for an Israeli person who or a
modern day Jew, right because

1058
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,040
the fullness of those buses,
right?

1059
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:23,160
Like if you look at that that
temple diagram, basically God

1060
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,640
took away everything but the
courtyard.

1061
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,520
Right.
They took away everything but

1062
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:32,640
the courtyard.
And we know he did.

1063
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,560
He says he does.
I mean you, you, you can read

1064
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,560
the Torah.
It says he, he took it away.

1065
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,880
He removed it, right.
So I what the way I understand

1066
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:47,600
Kabbalah is an attempt at those
of the, of the Hebrew faith to

1067
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,760
figure out how to get back there
because they understand the end

1068
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,920
goal.
They understand the end goal is

1069
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,920
we want to reunite with God.
We want to have that experience

1070
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,600
with God.
We want to be able to become

1071
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:04,120
like God and they get that and
it but but they don't have all

1072
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:10,320
the tools.
And so this is that that's

1073
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:15,240
that's my take on cabalicism.
And so here on the left we have

1074
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,960
a diagram.
And this diagram is called the

1075
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,200
tree of life.
Interesting.

1076
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,000
Yeah.
Directly directly connected to

1077
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,240
the the Tree of Life in the
Garden of Eden, right?

1078
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,840
Right.
And it's a diagram where we have

1079
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,320
these 10 principles, these 10
concepts, and these these

1080
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,960
represent a lot of things.
Just like the temple.

1081
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,880
There's a lot of symbolism here
and it's really deep.

1082
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,560
I don't want to go too far into
it, but basically this is the

1083
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:51,480
body of God as well.
And it's also the body of a man

1084
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,600
and a woman coming together.
Interesting.

1085
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,640
So, and again, if you don't, if
you can't see this, I'm sorry.

1086
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,560
But go watch the video.
Go watch a video.

1087
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,920
You can watch the video on Yeah,
you can watch the video on

1088
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,760
Spotify.
You can watch the video on

1089
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:08,880
Rumble.
It's there for you.

1090
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,680
But each of these circles, they
are called sephirot, and these

1091
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,320
represent aspects of the divine
basically.

1092
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:24,520
And the center is called the the
pillar of balance on the right,

1093
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,680
we've got three of them on the
right, those aren't in the

1094
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,360
pillar of expansion.
And on the left there's another

1095
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,160
pillar.
And there's three other

1096
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,440
Sephirot.
And those are in the in the

1097
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:40,320
pillar of contraction.
And there are two ways you can

1098
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,920
look at this diagram.
One of them there, it's all it's

1099
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,400
a tree of life and it is God and
it is a man and a woman all at

1100
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,280
once.
OK, so the way you see it as a

1101
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,080
tree, it kind of looks like a
tree, right?

1102
01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:01,720
That one's pretty simple.
The way you see it as God is at

1103
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,840
the top you have catcher or
crown, and that's God's head.

1104
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,760
And down at the bottom you have
Mal Mal hood.

1105
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:17,000
And that is God's feet.
And it is a drawing of of God

1106
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,800
and it's a drawing.
This is important too.

1107
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,240
It's a drawing of God that faces
away from us.

1108
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,440
And so just like if you see on
the right pillar, that's our

1109
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,600
right, well, that would be God's
right as well because we are

1110
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:37,080
looking into this with this idea
of we're trying to attain

1111
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,240
divinity ourselves.
Or we're trying to follow him.

1112
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,240
Or we're.
Trying to follow him, Yeah,

1113
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,440
Yeah.
And so you can also have a body

1114
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,040
kind of painted over that right
with the, again, with the feet

1115
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,280
at Malkut and, and their head at
Ketter.

1116
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,760
And then you also have a man and
a woman.

1117
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:01,200
The right pillar is the
masculine pillar and it's facing

1118
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,720
inwards.
And the left pillar is the

1119
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,200
feminine and it's facing
inwards.

1120
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:10,440
They're facing together.
And so that's another way of

1121
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,360
looking at it, which is also
fascinating because it it

1122
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,640
reveals the truth that God is
man and woman.

1123
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,800
Right.
Right.

1124
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,920
This is a this is a a very
beautiful diagram, a way of

1125
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:28,680
looking at and understanding how
we have God, but God that is

1126
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,920
both our father and our mother.
Yep.

1127
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,120
Which they are, right?
I mean, they, they, they are

1128
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,399
they, they are separate, right?
They are two distinct male and

1129
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:42,720
female entities, if, if you
will.

1130
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,359
But they've come together,
right?

1131
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:47,160
And they're they are now 1, so
to speak.

1132
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,319
Exactly.
And so the masculine is on the

1133
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,840
pillar of expansion because
masculine, the masculine energy

1134
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,880
is to go outward, external on
the left, the contracting

1135
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,160
pillar.
We have the feminine because

1136
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:04,040
it's it's the space within
looking inward.

1137
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,600
And now if I'll let me go
through these real quick, but

1138
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,840
there's, there's lots of I don't
want to spend too long on this.

1139
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,439
There's lots of really cool
stuff here.

1140
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,760
But for our purposes, you'll
notice at the bottom you've got

1141
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:22,840
Malkud or Kingdom.
Next above that we have hesed or

1142
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,479
foundation.
These are the English

1143
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,680
translations on the right.
And then we had that, and this

1144
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,640
is where it splits.
And to the left and right

1145
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,760
equally, we have victory and
splendor.

1146
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,920
And if you look at it, almost
kind of creates a wall.

1147
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:45,680
And then we have the center.
Again we have beauty and then it

1148
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,200
splits again and on the right we
have mercy and on the left we

1149
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,720
have judgement.
Now this is really interesting.

1150
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,800
I have understanding here next,
but it's it's yellow.

1151
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:01,920
Why this is the hidden Sephirot.
There are 10 Sephirot, and then

1152
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,320
there's a hidden 11th 1, and
it's called dot.

1153
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:12,840
And it's in the middle between
that square formed by the Dana

1154
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:19,160
Chakma Groove and Hesed.
And the Cabalists don't always

1155
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,720
list that in their diagrams, but
in their higher teachings they

1156
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,240
say there's something here,
there's something here, and they

1157
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,760
named it dot.
It means understanding, but it's

1158
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,640
hidden.
And then we have yet another

1159
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:37,520
wall with the wisdom and
intelligence where wisdom on the

1160
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,200
right, we've got intelligence,
on the left, it's a wall.

1161
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,720
And then at the top we've got
Crown.

1162
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,560
So what's interesting here is if
you look at this diagram, if you

1163
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,920
were if we were to rotate this
90�� counterclockwise, you can

1164
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:58,280
see we've kind of got a very
similar diagram again, we've got

1165
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,720
Kingdom and foundation in the in
the pre mortal.

1166
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:08,040
Then we have that first wall
with victory splendor where we

1167
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,520
enter into life.
We have beauty at the, at the

1168
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,280
law in the, in the, in the lone
and dreary world or at the at

1169
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,120
the altar where where Christ
where the sacrifice is made.

1170
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,800
Right.
And then we have another wall of

1171
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,840
judgment and mercy, and that's
the stairs into the sanctuary.

1172
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,160
And then we've got the
sanctuary, and what happens in

1173
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,360
the sanctuary in this mysterious
dot.

1174
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:36,600
And then we have the veil with
wisdom and intelligence, and

1175
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:41,480
then crown would be the the Ark
of the covenant, the Holy of

1176
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:46,000
Holies.
So we can see that very, very

1177
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,800
similar process.
And the Kabbalah idea is that

1178
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,440
you start at the bottom in
Malkah and you're going to work

1179
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:57,960
your way up this tree.
And when you achieve the top,

1180
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,160
that's when you experience God.
At the Crown and.

1181
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,000
So that's the crown?
Yeah, That's, that's and so,

1182
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,120
and, you know, in this diagram,
there's even a, a, a sun behind

1183
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,680
it representing, you know,
divinity.

1184
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,880
And so from a Kabbalic
perspective, how do you get to

1185
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,160
God?
Well, you climb the tree of

1186
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,400
life.
Right.

1187
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,280
That's how you get there and
there's some esotericism and

1188
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:27,080
some interesting stuff there.
But basically it's, again, you

1189
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,760
can see that this is a, a, a
similitude.

1190
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:34,960
It's a, it's a similitude,
similitude.

1191
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,680
There we go.
It's a similitude of the, of

1192
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,400
the, of the temple with very
similar ideas going on here.

1193
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,120
And what I find really
fascinating is the mysterious

1194
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:49,560
dot, because that would be
inside the sanctuary where we've

1195
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,360
got the, the, the, the
Candlestick, the shrewpread

1196
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,160
table, the altar of incense,
right?

1197
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:57,280
Right.
And if you think about where

1198
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,400
these cabalas are coming from,
they understand the law.

1199
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,760
They were given the law all the
way up to the, you know, their

1200
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,040
altar sacrifices.
They, they were taught those

1201
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,240
things, even the law of the
gospel to a degree, right?

1202
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,000
If you read the Old Testament
properly, you understand that

1203
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,520
these sacrifices aren't
redeeming you, that that they're

1204
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,560
they're symbolic of the
sacrifice that will redeem us.

1205
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,640
Right.
And so they have an

1206
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,120
understanding of the law of the
gospel, they have an

1207
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,880
understanding of this existed
pre mortal existence and they

1208
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,000
have an understanding of where
we're trying to get to the

1209
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,320
crown.
But what they what are they

1210
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,920
missing?
Well, the the fullness of the

1211
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,560
gospel.
Right.

1212
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:46,320
And that's symbolic, symbolized
as that is the sanctuary of the

1213
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,080
temple.
So it, it actually makes a lot

1214
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,760
of sense to me that in this
Cabalist diagram you have the

1215
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:58,720
invisible hidden 11th Sephirot.
That's kind of a mystery because

1216
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,800
the fullness of the gospel was
taken away from them and they're

1217
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,480
trying to re rebuild this based
off of, of, you know, oral

1218
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:10,400
traditions and teachings and
their own spiritual yearning.

1219
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,720
But you really can't fill out
that understanding.

1220
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,280
Without.
You can't have that

1221
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,760
understanding without the
fullness being restored.

1222
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,160
No, that makes perfect.
Yeah.

1223
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,160
So there's a lot there to
digest.

1224
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,800
There is, there is.
And I could probably talk about,

1225
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,480
I mean, we'd probably do a whole
episode on just something like

1226
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,760
this, but I I wanted to show
because for one thing, you have

1227
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,440
a diagram here on the left and
you superimpose God on to it.

1228
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,440
Right, right.
As an understanding of how to

1229
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,600
get back to him, and this is a
very, very common idea that

1230
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,760
we're going to see come across.
So this next one here comes from

1231
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,560
the Hindu traditions.
And this is the these are the

1232
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:03,400
seven chakra.
So these are energy wheels

1233
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,120
according to Hinduism within the
body.

1234
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:10,840
And they they, they go starting
at the bottom of the spine and

1235
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,120
they trace all the way to the to
the top of your head.

1236
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:20,960
So your spine brain basically.
And again, we have these ideas

1237
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,520
being presented at certain
positions and places.

1238
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,120
So I, for people who can't see,
I'll just starting at the

1239
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,160
bottom, we have the root chakra
moving up, we have the sacral

1240
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,680
chakra, then a solar plexus,
then we move up to heart, then

1241
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,960
we move up to throat, then we
move up to third eye, and then

1242
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:45,120
we move up to crown.
And there is a lot here.

1243
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,200
I mean, I, I know it's, it's,
it's Hindu.

1244
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,440
It can't be true, right?
There's some amazing, amazing

1245
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,560
depth.
You can go into this and you can

1246
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,480
see these, this, this pattern
and, and scripture and in

1247
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,440
Christ's teachings and just all
kinds of stuff.

1248
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:04,120
But for our purposes today, I,
I'm just going to explain these

1249
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,000
to you real quick.
So the root chakra is at the

1250
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,920
very bottom and it has this
meaning of security.

1251
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:17,680
This is your, your survival and,
and security experience in life.

1252
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,560
So if you don't, if you feel
really unsecure and ungrounded

1253
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,880
and, and terrified of everything
in life, how are we going to get

1254
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,280
by?
You know, you'd say that's a

1255
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,200
root chakra imbalance.
But it's also interesting if you

1256
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,520
think about it, if you look, if
going back to the template

1257
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,080
diagram here at Root, we've got
basically coming into life.

1258
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,120
We're passing through this is
birth.

1259
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,560
We're we're entering into
mortality and we've made a

1260
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,120
sacrifice of that security that
we used to have when we were in

1261
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:51,560
the presence of God.
And so we have Root or basically

1262
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,880
our initial coming into
existence, temporal existence.

1263
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,360
Above that we have the sacral
chakra.

1264
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:03,040
And the sacral chakra is all
about our desires and the things

1265
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,880
that we, the things that, the
things that we want.

1266
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,720
And again, it's kind of
interesting because what are we

1267
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,680
asked to do with our desires?
We're we're asked to sacrifice.

1268
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,200
We're asked to give our heart as
an offering to God, a broken

1269
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,920
heart and a contrite spirit,
which means we, we put aside our

1270
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,960
own natural carnal desires,
right.

1271
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,880
And so in route I can see the
law of obedience, and sacral I

1272
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,040
can see the law of sacrifice.
OK.

1273
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,800
We then move up to the solar
plexus.

1274
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,320
The solar plexus is has to do
with our agency and our will,

1275
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:50,360
our decisions, our choices, the
things that we do and the things

1276
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,040
that we do that are right, the
things that we do that are.

1277
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:57,560
Wrong and.
So I see this can map to the to

1278
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:02,080
the law of the gospel because
it's all about law of the gospel

1279
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,520
is ultimately law of the gospel
is be perfect even as your

1280
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,760
father in heaven is perfect.
But it's a process to get there.

1281
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,440
And it's a process of exercising
our agency, making mistakes and

1282
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:20,400
try repenting and trying again.
And we're trying to master that

1283
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,200
aspect of us that does things
the doing part.

1284
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,680
And so the law of the gospel.
You can see maps here to the

1285
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:33,120
solar plexus that we move up to
the heart.

1286
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,800
The heart I believe maps to the
law of chastity.

1287
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:42,080
The heart is about
relationships, while sacral is

1288
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,600
about like desires.
Right.

1289
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,920
The hearts kind of also desire,
but it's not desire in a, in a,

1290
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,200
in a carnal sense.
It's it's like desires in an

1291
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,680
empathetic sense, the desire to
be connected to people, to

1292
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,880
understand people, to feel close
to somebody, to be understood

1293
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,360
and those relationships right.
Right.

1294
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,920
And I think that maps really
good to the law of chastity

1295
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,920
because there is a certain
curtailing of desire yet again.

1296
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,320
But what's the law of chastity
really about?

1297
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,240
I believe it's really more about
our relationships.

1298
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:22,200
Interesting.
And so moving up next, we have

1299
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,600
the throat chakra.
Now the throat chakra includes

1300
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,520
your ears as well as your as
well as your like your mouth and

1301
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,320
it's speaking and hearing, it's
being able to communicate and

1302
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:37,000
it's being able to to be heard
and, and and also to understand

1303
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,000
other people, right.
Here.

1304
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:45,880
And this just makes a lot of
sense to map to the law of

1305
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:51,400
consecration the way that I've
tied it into priesthood service.

1306
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,120
Gotcha.
Because one of the primary

1307
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,920
things we're doing in priesthood
service is we are preaching the

1308
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,840
word of God.
We're teaching people, we are

1309
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,840
acting as priests and we are
ministering to people.

1310
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,960
And in order to do that, we need
to hear what they have to say,

1311
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,520
what people are struggling with,
what their challenges are in

1312
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,680
line.
And then we need to be able to

1313
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,680
speak the word of God to them so
that they can find answers and

1314
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,680
healing in the in the truth of
the gospel.

1315
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,680
So the throat we're proclaiming
the gospel.

1316
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,320
Got you obligation.
I found where you're going, Yep.

1317
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:27,760
Right.
And now we come up to the third

1318
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,440
eye, which I would map to that
altar of incense, because the

1319
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,680
third eye is vision, sacred
vision.

1320
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,640
We're seeing things as they
really are.

1321
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:46,360
And it the at the altar of
incense or the lecture and the

1322
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,920
lecture at the veil together.
I mean, so you could say maybe

1323
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,440
the maybe the altar's also still
throat because, you know, we're

1324
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:54,880
praying.
Sure, sure.

1325
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,560
But certainly the third eye in
the lecture is the whole point

1326
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,520
of lecture in the veil is to
teach us.

1327
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,600
How to expand our?
Vision how to expand our vision

1328
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:08,040
how do how do we get to the
other side well, let me show you

1329
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:09,120
and we're.
Taught.

1330
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,480
How to how to go through the
veil?

1331
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,160
And so that's our third eye.
And then finally, we actually do

1332
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,800
pass through the veil and we
enter into the celestial room,

1333
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,080
or we enter into the Holy of
Holies, we enter into the

1334
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,000
presence of God, and that's the
crown.

1335
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,000
Gotcha.
Divinity.

1336
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,080
So let let me ask you this
question.

1337
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,680
Do you, do you feel like that,
that this is stuff that's

1338
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,640
leftover from every culture when
we all were kind of in touch

1339
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,800
with God, so to speak, when we
all had an understanding of

1340
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,680
these, you know, and I say we, I
mean, different societies, that

1341
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,200
sort of thing, right?
Is that what you're, is that

1342
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,080
what we're seeing here or kind
of echoes from when there was

1343
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,520
fullness before?
Well, yes and no.

1344
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,840
I do believe there is an aspect
of that.

1345
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,600
There's a book, I think it's
called Written Upon Their

1346
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,400
Hearts.
It's a Christian book, but it's

1347
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:08,400
a pretty good book talking about
how you can find the gospel in

1348
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,040
all these cultures and
civilizations.

1349
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,880
And like this is was written
upon people's hearts from the

1350
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,480
beginning.
I think that's definitely a part

1351
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:20,080
of it.
But I also think another part of

1352
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,400
it is, is when you seek truth,
you find it.

1353
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,680
I think God's willing to answer
the prayer of a Hindu person.

1354
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,920
He's willing to answer the
prayer of a Muslim.

1355
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,640
He's willing to answer the
prayer of an Indian.

1356
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,640
Now their ability to understand
might be limited by the by the

1357
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:40,440
truth and knowledge that they
have, but at a core level, God

1358
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:42,720
is all of our Father, not just
us Mormons.

1359
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:48,960
And when you seek after God, you
learn truths and these are

1360
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,080
eternal truths and you might not
receive them the same way as we

1361
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,800
have in the restoration.
But I think you get glimpses,

1362
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,000
you get concepts.
And so I think not only does

1363
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,480
some of it, some of it is AI
believe for sure, a carryover

1364
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,720
from ancient traditions where
that they become corrupt over

1365
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,160
time.
But I also believe that there's

1366
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:15,280
an aspect of because God is all
of our father and all of us and

1367
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,360
many of us in various different
religions and world, world views

1368
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,160
are seeking after him that, you
know, for the Hindu person

1369
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:26,880
seeking God, the, the, the, the
temple doesn't make sense.

1370
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,840
But what does make sense to them
are these, these energy points

1371
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,880
in the body.
And here are the concepts behind

1372
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:38,920
them.
And you can see that we have the

1373
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,560
same pattern yet again, right?
Here's a human body.

1374
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,000
Just like the cabal, there's a
body.

1375
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,720
And on this body you're mapping
points.

1376
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,120
And the points of the point of
this is to ascend again and

1377
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,880
return to God, but just
wouldn't.

1378
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,480
Necessarily take the place of
the ordinances, though.

1379
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:56,880
Right.
Oh, no, no, it doesn't take the

1380
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,360
place of the ordinances, but the
principles, the underlying those

1381
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,560
ordinances are eternal, right?
OK.

1382
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,480
All right.
I see what you're OK.

1383
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,360
So almost kind of a a way of
gaining some preparatory kind of

1384
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,720
information.
Right, right.

1385
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,680
Absolutely.
Yeah.

1386
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,920
I'm not saying the ordinances
are not necessary by any means.

1387
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,120
They are absolutely necessary.
And these things testify to the,

1388
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:23,120
the necessity of them even I
would say, but the truth of that

1389
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,320
necessity and, and those
principles, I think are manifest

1390
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,680
to man in all times and in all
countries.

1391
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:36,760
And so the, the chakra journey
to God is you, you know, again,

1392
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,480
you're starting at root and
you're dealing with your

1393
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:41,840
insecurities and your survival
and your fears.

1394
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,960
You got to overcome your fears
and then you move up to the

1395
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:45,400
sacral.
You got to restrain your

1396
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,040
desires.
You got to get to store plexus.

1397
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:54,040
You need to exercise your will
properly do and you know do good

1398
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,960
work, so to speak live a
Christian life manifest have

1399
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,040
root and then you move to the
heart.

1400
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,880
You have to have deep
relationships with people and

1401
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,680
that kind of connection.
Then you move to the throat.

1402
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:12,160
You have you have things to say
express expressing yourself,

1403
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,160
expressing truth as it manifests
through you.

1404
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,200
You move to a third eye.
You, you now have, you start

1405
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:24,040
developing a vision of spiritual
things and then and then the

1406
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:28,800
crown where you have A and, and
you know, basically they call it

1407
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,600
kundalini when they're all
activated.

1408
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,560
And it's a, it's an idea of, of
entering into an enlightened

1409
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:40,360
state.
But for our purposes, I'm not

1410
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,040
saying this is the way.
No, because I know you and

1411
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:49,320
understanding though that these
principles keep showing up again

1412
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:50,680
and again, right?
Right.

1413
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,960
Yep.
People seek to find God.

1414
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,440
These same ideas keep coming
forth.

1415
01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:59,520
Gotcha.
OK, I see what you're you're

1416
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,640
you're drawing connections here.
Yeah.

1417
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,920
Because I'm about to, I'm about
to now taking this, I'm going to

1418
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,680
now apply these types of ideas.
I'm going to take these

1419
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,680
principles and now overlay them
onto the temple endowment.

1420
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,480
OK, OK, so.
This is this is where things are

1421
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:22,640
going to get interesting.
And so here I'm emphasizing

1422
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,720
certain aspects, basically just
the laws.

1423
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:31,240
Right.
And we're going to overlay a

1424
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,280
body onto it.
Interesting.

1425
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,280
OK.
So if you can't see, there's

1426
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,960
some interesting stuff, we've
got the law of obedience and

1427
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:46,240
sacrifice down here on, on, on
this, on this leg.

1428
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,960
Right, kind of your base.
Yeah.

1429
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,480
And then in the in the in the
lower torso right, we've got the

1430
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:57,920
law of the gospel, maybe like
around where the belly button

1431
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,240
would be.
Right.

1432
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,560
Then up here, where the heart
would be, we've got the law of

1433
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,800
chastity.
Right.

1434
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,960
And they're chilling on the on
the right breast.

1435
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,760
We've got law of consecration.
I.

1436
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:16,520
See, we've got and now this
didn't line up perfectly, but

1437
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:22,080
with the the we and I didn't
bring these forth because I'm

1438
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,600
not going to talk about it as
much, but we have the altar of

1439
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,560
incense at the throat.
We speak our operations to the

1440
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,440
on high, to our on high.
The veil would line up with the

1441
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:39,680
third eye and then the crown top
of the head, the Holy of Holies.

1442
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,440
Interesting.
So this is pretty cool, right?

1443
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:47,520
And if you look at it closely,
you might see a pattern.

1444
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:55,040
And now for no reason
whatsoever, I just want to talk

1445
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:59,800
about some symbolism that we
find at various points and

1446
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:04,520
various temple traditions.
So 1st I'm going to talk about

1447
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:10,680
the symbolism of the.
Square right, which we see in in

1448
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,400
all sorts of things, right.
You can find old Christian

1449
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:18,200
artwork from the Middle Ages
that depict depict the square.

1450
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,680
Same with the compass.
Masons today still still use

1451
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,280
that as well so.
Absolutely, and I believe that

1452
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,000
it lines up with the table of
shrewbred symbolically.

1453
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,000
OK.
For one reason, that's where it

1454
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,720
lined up in the diagram I just
showed you, right?

1455
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:36,440
But.
Right.

1456
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,920
Yep.
But also, if you look at that

1457
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,200
symbol of that table of shoe
bread, there you see, what do

1458
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,280
you see?
You see a lot of right angles.

1459
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:49,520
Yep, a lot of right angles.
And so this is, this is the,

1460
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,920
the, the symbolism of the square
according to according to me.

1461
01:28:52,920 --> 01:29:00,600
But the square is a really
important tool in, in the

1462
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,160
construction and building of
things.

1463
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,520
And we don't use it a whole lot
anymore because we've got more

1464
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,640
advanced variations basically.
But it's still integral to

1465
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,240
building anything.
So if you're going to build a

1466
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,200
house and you had a square that
instead of 90��, it was, you

1467
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:20,760
know, 45 and you know, you're,
you're lining up the studs to

1468
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:25,000
build your walls and they're all
at a 90��, they're all at a 45��

1469
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,520
angle.
You.

1470
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,840
Know what's going to happen when
you put a load on that?

1471
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,800
Structure.
Yeah, it'll collapse.

1472
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,280
But the square is a really
interesting shape, right?

1473
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,840
You got these two perpendicular
lines coming together at a

1474
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:44,880
point, and when you put weight
on that square, it holds firm.

1475
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:50,240
Right.
When you square geometry you can

1476
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,920
then put pressure on it and it
it it holds you can build

1477
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,000
something with the square,
something like a temple.

1478
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,880
Yep.
If you don't have a square, if

1479
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,320
you built, if you try to build a
temple, especially anciently and

1480
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,000
you don't have a square and your
angles are off, your structures

1481
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:14,120
going to collapse.
And so I think it's symbolic of

1482
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,680
of our priesthood in a way.
And in that this needs to be

1483
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:25,760
done with exactness and
precision because priesthood is

1484
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,560
all about building the Kingdom
of God.

1485
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,720
And if we build the Kingdom of
God and we don't have a square,

1486
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,400
we get those angles off, it will
not last.

1487
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,560
It's not a sure found.
You might even have a sure

1488
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:41,040
foundation, but your structure
will not will not stand right.

1489
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,600
Right.
And I also see that very

1490
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,760
symbolic with working in the
priesthood.

1491
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:55,080
OK.
I also want to type out the

1492
01:30:55,080 --> 01:31:01,800
symbolism of the compass.
So the compass is kind of

1493
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,880
another tool used in in
construction or drafting a lot

1494
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:06,920
of times, right?
Oh yeah, Yep.

1495
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,840
And well, I mean, you can tell
me what is what is the purpose

1496
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:15,080
of a compass?
It's to draw a circle, right?

1497
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:20,320
It's to draw a circle, and
circles have two things, an

1498
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:25,920
inside and an outside.
They're when you don't have a

1499
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,800
circle, you have a blank piece
of paper and it's all, it's all

1500
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,240
one thing, right?
Right.

1501
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,680
Use a compass and you you put a
circle and all of a sudden

1502
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,920
instead of having one thing you
don't have two things.

1503
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,600
You have circle and not circle.
Right.

1504
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,440
And I think that actually ties
right in with the law of

1505
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:48,840
chastity because ultimately the
law of chastity is a commandment

1506
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:55,080
not to adulterate ourselves.
When you really look at it, it's

1507
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:59,200
yeah, it's this is a boundary.
And we need to define what is

1508
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,880
inside and what is outside.
What is part of my family, what

1509
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,360
is not part of my family, what
is part of me, what is not part

1510
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,560
of me.
And in order to do that, you

1511
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:15,240
need to define, you need to, you
need a wall, you need some

1512
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:19,480
guidance.
And then you can, and then you

1513
01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:21,840
can organize this is inside,
this is outside.

1514
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,400
Now, I've tied this also with
the symbolism of menorah,

1515
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:29,720
because if you take that menorah
and you put it upside down, you

1516
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,320
kind of have a makeshift
compass.

1517
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:40,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean you'd have you'd have 6

1518
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:44,040
circles essentially.
Well, three, right?

1519
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:45,720
With a point in the middle.
I guess so.

1520
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:46,280
Three.
Yes.

1521
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:47,120
Excuse me.
Yep.

1522
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,840
Which again, I think there's
symbolism in that because like I

1523
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,040
like, we already looked at that.
We've got those three walls, or

1524
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,840
we have these three entrances,
the entrance into the courtyard,

1525
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,920
the entrance into the sanctuary,
and the entrance into the Holy

1526
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,360
of Holies.
Three members of the Godhead.

1527
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,920
Three members of the Godhead.
And the fascinating thing is I

1528
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,320
found out that there are, there
are, I think it's called Talmud,

1529
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,240
right?
There are Talmudic traditions.

1530
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,400
And the Talmud is like basically
commentary on the Torah.

1531
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,680
And it's, it's more of debate,
like recorded debates on the

1532
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:25,840
Torah.
So there's a lot of different

1533
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,680
ideas.
It's not considered a, you know,

1534
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:31,880
a gospel truth as much as it is
of just ideas and musings of the

1535
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,200
rabbis.
But regardless, there is a

1536
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,480
tradition in in the Torah or not
Torah in the in the Talmud that

1537
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:41,360
the the Nora actually didn't
have bows, but they were sharp

1538
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:42,840
angles.
Right.

1539
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,280
So it would literally look
exactly like 3 compasses upside

1540
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:52,160
down.
Interesting, according to

1541
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,200
certain rabbis.
Interesting.

1542
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,920
Yeah, so interesting symbolism
right there.

1543
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:03,160
Are you sure?
Another one here.

1544
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,440
I want to share symbolism of the
navel for no apparent reason.

1545
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:14,760
OK.
So our, our navel, right that

1546
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,600
that is, I've got a symbol here
of a baby with an umbilical

1547
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:23,720
cord.
Because we this is where a lot

1548
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:28,400
of occult traditions I think go
off the rails is they have an

1549
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,560
understanding that there is a
certain amount of divinity

1550
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,640
within us, but they think we've
already arrived.

1551
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,240
Gotcha.
And I like to see it as we are

1552
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:38,960
gods and.
Embryo, right?

1553
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,920
We have not been born into our
godhood yet.

1554
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:46,640
And you know, in fact, we might
not make it right there.

1555
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,400
You know, we might end up being,
we might not keep our second

1556
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,280
state.
We might be, so to speak,

1557
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:57,680
miscarried, right.
But as God's an embryo, what

1558
01:34:57,680 --> 01:34:58,600
does it?
What is an?

1559
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,400
What does a fetus need more than
anything else?

1560
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,840
It's, it's the, the precursor
of, well, I don't want to say

1561
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:13,040
that it is the earliest stages
of human development.

1562
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,840
Right.
And it's dependent upon that

1563
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:17,600
umbilical.
Cord.

1564
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,640
Yep.
That umbilical cord is the

1565
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,520
lifeline, right?
With that, without that

1566
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,360
umbilical cord that you lose the
baby.

1567
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,280
Right.
It's what it's it's brings in.

1568
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,480
It's what brings in the
nourishment that it needs to

1569
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:35,160
grow.
If you don't have the umbilical

1570
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,200
cord there it the the baby
starves.

1571
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,000
You know.
The oxygen, nutrients, all of

1572
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,240
that stuff.
Vital.

1573
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,920
Just as vital, if the umbilical
cord's not there, it'd be like

1574
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,280
if something the air was gone,
you know, we we wouldn't be able

1575
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:51,480
to.
Breathe right?

1576
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,080
We wouldn't be able to eat, we
wouldn't be able to drink.

1577
01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:03,600
Absolutely.
And so symbolically, I think

1578
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:07,120
it's interesting that if you
look at the.

1579
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,720
The basin of water, right, or
basically baptism and sacrament.

1580
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,560
When we look at the ordinances
of baptism and sacrament, it's a

1581
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:25,240
sacrament's a constant renewal.
This is a this is how we receive

1582
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,040
our nourishment, our spiritual
nourishment.

1583
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,640
So if we are gods and embryo,
then we have an umbilical cord.

1584
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:35,080
And that umbilical cord is
connects us to our, our, our

1585
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,680
divine parents.
And the way that we received

1586
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:43,440
nourishment for that umbilical
cord is through this renewal of

1587
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:46,280
our the making and renewal of of
our covenants.

1588
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:52,520
Right.
And then also, for no apparent

1589
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:56,480
reason whatsoever, I want to
talk about symbolism of the

1590
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:58,280
knee.
Right?

1591
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,120
Because the knee is all about
submission.

1592
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:12,120
Right.
It's about bowing down, it's

1593
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:16,920
about humility, it's sacrifice
and obedience to our Father.

1594
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,040
And that's what it teaches us.
Gotcha.

1595
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,280
So, you know, I want to talk
about the compass in the square

1596
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,760
for a minute.
Yeah, yeah.

1597
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:34,200
So Nibley, I believe it's in
temple in the cosmos talks about

1598
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,640
something interesting that the
ancient Egyptians used to

1599
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,600
understand, which was this
concept of squaring the circle.

1600
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:48,240
Now this relates to temples in
the sense that many societies

1601
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,880
that were engaged in temple
building, and I'll say it's it's

1602
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:57,440
true for Mormonism too.
Is the universe or the

1603
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:01,760
eternities are represented by
that circle, right?

1604
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,680
It's never ending.
It has no beginning.

1605
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,960
It has no end.
Much like the cosmos, much you

1606
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,520
know, much like our God.
Much like our covenant of

1607
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,240
eternal marriage.
Exactly.

1608
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:20,080
The square squaring the circle
is a representation of bringing

1609
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:26,600
what's in heaven down to earth.
And ancient temple peoples have

1610
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,040
been doing this ever since
temple worship was a thing,

1611
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,440
right?
You can see it in the old

1612
01:38:32,440 --> 01:38:40,280
American geoglyphs where they
have built squares around

1613
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,360
circles.
And so there is something very

1614
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:47,080
powerful in that symbolism when
we start thinking about the

1615
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:52,640
temple, about bringing the
eternal to a point to where we

1616
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,040
could understand it.
And I think that's something

1617
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:59,440
hugely important to keep in mind
about those two symbols, right?

1618
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:04,440
This is a way whereby you can
begin.

1619
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:10,040
I don't think we ever fully get
there in this life, but begin to

1620
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:15,400
start understanding the eternal
and those things which are are

1621
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:21,600
mysteries to us, right, Right.
That's great, that's good.

1622
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,200
So this is kind of, this is
definitely cake here.

1623
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,040
It's interesting stuff, but I
want to, I want to bring it back

1624
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,760
down and try to bring it back
down to something useful and

1625
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,000
applicable because this is where
I this is to me, the stuff that

1626
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,200
was really powerful and
insightful.

1627
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:41,760
So I was reading, let me go back
to our diagram here.

1628
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:46,080
We're going to just focus on
these parts that you can see.

1629
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,800
So I was reading in John 3 and
starting in chapter 3.

1630
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:55,520
This is where is it Nicomachus,
Nicodemus.

1631
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,560
This is where Nicodemus comes to
Christ, right?

1632
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,880
And and he wants to know what to
do.

1633
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,640
Well, actually he's asking if
you know, he wants to know who

1634
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,920
he is, right?
But Christ is instead of

1635
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,800
answering that Christ is going
to tell him what to do instead,

1636
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,960
right?
And this is what Jesus tells

1637
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:17,760
him.
He says sign verse 3.

1638
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,200
Jesus answered and said to him.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

1639
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:25,120
except a man be born again, he
cannot see the Kingdom of God.

1640
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:31,000
So Nicodemus is a little
flippant.

1641
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,640
He's like what, I'm going to
climb back to my mother's womb.

1642
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:36,880
You being silly here, right,
right.

1643
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:40,600
Well, and Jesus kind of ignores
his flippantness again and and

1644
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,640
decides to answer the question
he should have asked maybe and

1645
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,520
says Jesus answered, verily,
verily, I say unto thee, except

1646
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,000
a man be born of water and of
the Spirit, he cannot enter into

1647
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:55,000
the Kingdom of God.
So.

1648
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,480
There was this idea that kind of
came to me.

1649
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,720
So for a lot of this stuff, it
seems like you can go through a

1650
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,720
lot of these things in a way of
just going through the motions,

1651
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,800
right?
And you get to the end and it's

1652
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,040
like, well, now what?
Right.

1653
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,440
Well, I think that's actually by
design.

1654
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,920
I think it's by design and I'm
going to tell you tell you why,

1655
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,960
because Jesus said except ye be
born again, you cannot see the

1656
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:27,240
Kingdom of God.
That's the baptism of water he's

1657
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:28,680
talking about.
Right.

1658
01:41:29,480 --> 01:41:33,520
If you're not baptized, you
cannot see the Kingdom of God.

1659
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,400
OK.
All right.

1660
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,880
That's interesting.
So.

1661
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:40,600
He's telling you this is where
you start.

1662
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,000
Right, right, right.
Baptism gives you the

1663
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:47,760
opportunity to to see, to see
the map, so to speak.

1664
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,960
To see the map.
Yeah, that exactly.

1665
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,200
We're we're going to get a we
can picture and I hate to say it

1666
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,440
like this, but this is how I
feel about myself sometimes.

1667
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,240
You can fake it till you make
it.

1668
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,040
You can be a poser, you can be,
you can receive baptism and,

1669
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,280
and, and be a tourist and you're
just, you're just checking it

1670
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:05,720
out, right?
Right.

1671
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:12,800
But then Christ clarifies and
says, Verily, verily saved me.

1672
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,560
Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot

1673
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:22,280
enter into the Kingdom, entering
into the Kingdom.

1674
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:27,040
In my mind, what he's talking
about here is the theophany.

1675
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,880
This is the whole purpose of
this map.

1676
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,920
It's the destination we're
trying to get to.

1677
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:41,760
And So what he's saying is it's
OK start by being baptized so

1678
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,800
you can see this snap and start
following it.

1679
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,560
But you're not really going to
enter in until you've been,

1680
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,520
until you receive the baptism of
Spirit.

1681
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,600
Gotcha.
That's what's required to enter

1682
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:01,520
in, and so I'm going to call
that the baptism of the Holy

1683
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,320
Ghost.
OK.

1684
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:08,240
So these are what I believe to
be the mystery.

1685
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,720
So this, what we look at thus
far is the map.

1686
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:14,840
And for most of us, I think
pretty probably, probably all of

1687
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,680
us, we're all kind of at the
veil now and we're like, what

1688
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:19,880
next, right?
We've been symbolic

1689
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,040
symbolically.
We've been taught how to pass.

1690
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:27,600
Through right?
But we, we need to do it now.

1691
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,600
We need to actually do it.
And we we need to understand

1692
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:40,680
how.
And so going back real oops, oh,

1693
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:45,120
shoot, this is going to take
forever going back to the tight

1694
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,240
crown with the body on it,
right?

1695
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,480
Give me just a second.
No, it's it's good refresher,

1696
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:54,920
good refresher.
Yeah.

1697
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:57,160
There we go.
Oh.

1698
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:58,560
No, it's going to do all of
them.

1699
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,680
It's OK.
We're we're OK.

1700
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:04,960
Just relax.
We're just fine.

1701
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:12,200
OK, here we go.
So I'm going back to this, this

1702
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,000
view of the of the body overlaid
on the on the temple right with

1703
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:20,160
specific with the laws
specifically highlighted to

1704
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:24,160
point out that there are certain
symbols on the veil.

1705
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:31,160
Right.
And that should be a clue to

1706
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,800
understanding what is required
to actually pass through the

1707
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,200
veil.
Right.

1708
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,680
Does that make sense when you
look at it like that?

1709
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:40,760
It does.
Yep.

1710
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:43,880
I see where you're going and,
and I kind of, I kind of feel

1711
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,160
bad for, for the audience who
haven't been endowed, but I want

1712
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:53,040
you to, to use this as kind of
like, I don't know, fuel to get

1713
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:56,320
to the temple, right?
Some of this stuff we're talking

1714
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,400
about, we're being very careful
on how we word things here

1715
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,960
because we're dealing with super
sacred things.

1716
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,840
Nonetheless, for those who've
been initiated, so to speak, you

1717
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:10,160
will understand these things.
For those who haven't, they're

1718
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,160
still value here.
But to understand the full

1719
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,160
significance of what Justin's
laying out here, you're going to

1720
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:20,080
have to go receive your
ordinances, right?

1721
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:21,400
Yep.
Exactly.

1722
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:25,840
And so I want to start with this
one because this is the first

1723
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,400
one that clued me in that maybe
there's something more to do

1724
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,920
than being baptized.
Maybe baptism isn't the

1725
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:35,040
destination.
Maybe there is like a outward

1726
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,480
ordinance and an inward
ordinance.

1727
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,840
And also I want to be clear that
that's OK.

1728
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:44,520
Like you're not necessarily
expected.

1729
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,400
God doesn't expect us to be
baptized and then never sin

1730
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:49,680
again.
Right.

1731
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,920
That's not the design.
We're we're meant to be

1732
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,040
tourists.
We're meant to fake it till we

1733
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,760
make it kind of and get a lay of
the land because that's how we

1734
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,280
learn and grow, line upon line,
precept upon precept.

1735
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,080
Right.
But with that, at a certain

1736
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,600
point, we want to pass through
the veil.

1737
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:09,120
And what's fascinating is a lot
of these other ritualistic

1738
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:13,520
cultures that I mentioned have a
process, a final process as well

1739
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,800
of, of entering into the
presence of the divine.

1740
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:22,480
And this these usually involve
being tested.

1741
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,440
Right.
We know that it's certainly that

1742
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,120
way in the, in, in the Book of
the Dead with the Egyptians,

1743
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,440
right?
There was, you know, a weighing

1744
01:46:30,440 --> 01:46:33,440
of the heart.
There were were passing the the,

1745
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:38,120
the, the sea of Reeds, all all
that stuff.

1746
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:46,320
And in the Kabbalah, we you have
a meditation where you, if you

1747
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:51,040
imagine yourself coming before
these angels and being asked

1748
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,720
questions and knowing the
answers to be able to pass

1749
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,440
through.
And you're passing through these

1750
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:58,920
various stages on your way,
right?

1751
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:05,560
There are these hermetic ideas
of a a where you're, you're

1752
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,920
meditating and, and projecting
yourself, your astral projecting

1753
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,640
yourself into the cosmos.
And you're going to pass by each

1754
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,000
plant where you're going to pass
by the moon, the sun and all the

1755
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,960
plan that's on your way.
And each of them has a test.

1756
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:23,600
And as a practitioner of that,
you would go as far as you can,

1757
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,360
But then you might get somewhere
and you're stuck and like, Oh, I

1758
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:28,480
don't have the answer to this
one.

1759
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:29,800
You don't know.
And that's the end of that

1760
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,880
meditation.
Go back, live your life a while

1761
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:35,080
and maybe come back again and
you'll have learned it, your

1762
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:38,080
experience or something, right?
But this idea of being

1763
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:42,880
questioned and kind of tested is
important because here's the

1764
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:48,560
thing, there are a lot of
fundamentalist Mormons, you

1765
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:52,160
know, restorationists that have
kind of gone through the outward

1766
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:56,280
ordinance checklist all the way
up to their ceilings and

1767
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:01,840
possibly even second anointings.
Regardless though, I don't think

1768
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,800
any of them arrive when they
arrive.

1769
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:09,360
No.
They're still, they haven't

1770
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,360
passed through the veil yet.
They might be at the veil, but

1771
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,920
they haven't passed through.
There's still things to be done.

1772
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,240
And I believe that the whole
point, the lecture at the veil

1773
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,160
and the and then the
accompanying instructions on

1774
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,320
passing through the veil that
are presenting the endowment.

1775
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:29,400
This is our road ahead.
This is what we have yet to do.

1776
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:32,640
Does that make sense?
Yep, Yep.

1777
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,680
So it's one thing to to go
through these and we absolutely

1778
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,600
need to and we need to keep
going back.

1779
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,320
It's another thing to
internalize them, right?

1780
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:44,480
Exactly.
So I want to really dig in a

1781
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:47,960
little bit here in law of the
Gospel and this baptism in

1782
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:50,120
sacrament.
So I place these things together

1783
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,680
because there is a mystery to
baptism.

1784
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,160
We we understand what the
baptism of water is, but what is

1785
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,240
this baptism of the Holy Ghost?
What is this baptism of spirit

1786
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:05,240
which Christ spoke of?
I believe there is a mystery

1787
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:10,760
here.
And we haven't really fulfilled

1788
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,600
that ordinance until we
fulfilled it inwardly as well.

1789
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,000
Because when it's fulfilled
inwardly, then we are, it is

1790
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,000
marked upon our soul, so to
speak.

1791
01:49:22,440 --> 01:49:25,080
And you know, actually this is
something else that's really

1792
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:30,080
significant in the endowments
that are performed today.

1793
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:35,200
I'm not aware of any that still
do this, but traditionally they

1794
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:39,200
were done slightly differently
and the major difference is when

1795
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:44,720
you came to the veil, that is
when your garments received

1796
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:48,840
marks, your garment was not
marked.

1797
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:52,040
Until you approached the veil,
it did not come marked.

1798
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,920
So when you receive your your
garment in the initiatory, when

1799
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:02,200
you symbolically put it on after
the law of obedience, this is an

1800
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:06,600
unmarked garment.
This is a body with no markings.

1801
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,960
However, when you're presented
at the veil, before you can

1802
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:18,600
actually pass through the veil,
you need to receive 4 marks on

1803
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,440
your garment.
And they would do it right then

1804
01:50:20,440 --> 01:50:24,720
and there at the veil.
And so that's not done so much

1805
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,400
anymore because it it ruins a
lot of shirts.

1806
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:30,360
I mean.
I'm not sure exactly how they do

1807
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:33,080
it, but we know about this
'cause there's a letter from

1808
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,400
from the temple present talking
about this, saying, hey, you

1809
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,880
know, we're through a lot.
We're through a lot of.

1810
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:40,280
We're going through a lot of
clothes, yeah.

1811
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:45,680
In order to mark the garments,
maybe we ought to remark them.

1812
01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:49,720
Right.
But I think it's important to

1813
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:51,960
understand the original
symbolism here because we're

1814
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,960
approaching the veil we want to
pass through.

1815
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:58,280
We want to know what is required
so that we can actually really

1816
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:00,200
enter into the presence.
Yeah.

1817
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:07,240
And, well, you got to know the
signs.

1818
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,720
You got no tokens and you have
to have a marked garment.

1819
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:15,600
Yeah.
So this baptism of the of the

1820
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:21,600
Holy Ghost, if you think about
what is a baptism, it's when you

1821
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,680
are immersed in something,
right?

1822
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,960
It doesn't mean sprinkling, it
doesn't mean a misty, It's not a

1823
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:34,200
doesn't count if the preacher's
really excited and a little

1824
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,080
spittle lands on you.
No, no, no, you need to be

1825
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:41,280
dunked all the way, completely
immersed.

1826
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:45,000
So.
We have an understanding that

1827
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:49,600
when we baptized, there's a an
associated blessing attached.

1828
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:54,160
And I'm going to just flat out
read, I'm going to just straight

1829
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,280
out plagiarize Nephi here.
Yes.

1830
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:02,080
Honestly, this is my favorite
explanation of the gospel.

1831
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:07,560
OK.
So this is Nephi preaching.

1832
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,840
This is his last sermon.
And it coincidentally, this is

1833
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:14,840
this is his last sermon where
he's talking about the gospel

1834
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:18,000
prior to his brother Jacob
talking about priesthood

1835
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,440
service, the law of chastity,
the law of consecration.

1836
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:26,040
Gotcha.
There's a It's interesting that

1837
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:30,680
you can actually see a a form of
the endowment, actually, as you

1838
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,480
read through Nephi and into
Jacob.

1839
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:39,480
Right, I've, I've I've I've
several years back, I came

1840
01:52:39,480 --> 01:52:42,920
across an article about that.
And when you when your eyes are

1841
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,880
kind of open to that, it pops,
right?

1842
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:50,320
You definitely see he's he's
talking in layers here so that

1843
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,640
those who are initiated will
understand.

1844
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:56,840
Right, exactly.
And Nephi wants us to

1845
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:58,960
understand.
So he's going to be, he's going

1846
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,760
to try to explain one of the
mysteries here as plainly as he

1847
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:02,640
can.
Yep.

1848
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:07,920
So he says, And now I would ask
of you, my beloved brethren,

1849
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,720
where in the Lamb of God that
did fulfill all righteousness

1850
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:14,280
and being baptized by water,
which is a beautiful symbolism

1851
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:16,760
here, because here's the here's
the altar, there's the sacrifice

1852
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:21,440
upon it, and there's the water
right there in the courtyard.

1853
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:25,960
Wherein did the Lamb of God.
Why know ye not that He was

1854
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,400
holy?
But notwithstanding He being

1855
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,440
holy, He show it unto the
children of men.

1856
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:34,320
Excuse me, That according to the
flesh He humble it to Himself

1857
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,360
before the Father, and witness
unto the Father that He would be

1858
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:42,120
obedient unto Him, and keeping
His commandments, he's going to

1859
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,440
perform a sacrifice.
Right.

1860
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,840
And, and in in obedience to his
Father.

1861
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:55,480
Wherefore, after He was baptized
with water, the Holy Ghost

1862
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:57,520
descended upon him in the form
of a dove.

1863
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:00,720
Now we're getting into it, Holy
Ghost.

1864
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,400
And again it showeth unto the
children of men the straightness

1865
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,480
of the path and the narrowness
of the gate by which they should

1866
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,920
enter, He having set the example
before them.

1867
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:16,240
So again Christ is he's showing
us exactly what we need to do

1868
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,600
here at this law of the gospel.
And Christ is our exemplar.

1869
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:24,360
And he said unto the children of
men, Follow thou me.

1870
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:27,200
Where for my beloved brethren,
can we follow Jesus?

1871
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,040
Say, we shall be willing to keep
the commandments of the Father.

1872
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,800
And the Father said, Repent ye,
repent ye, and be baptized in

1873
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,640
the name of my beloved Son.
And also the voice of the Son

1874
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:41,640
came unto me, and said, He that
is baptized in my name, to him

1875
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:46,800
will the Father give the Holy
Ghost like unto me.

1876
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:51,880
Wherefore follow me, and do the
things which you have seen me

1877
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:55,400
do.
Wherefore, my beloved brethren,

1878
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,680
I know that if you shall follow
the Son with full purpose of

1879
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:02,840
heart, acting no hypocrisy and
no deception before God, but

1880
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:07,080
with real intent, repenting of
your sins, witnessing unto the

1881
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:10,480
Father that you are willing to
take upon you the name of Christ

1882
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:14,480
by baptism, Yeah, by following
your Lord and Savior down into

1883
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:18,000
the water according to His word,
behold, then shall ye receive

1884
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:22,320
the Holy Ghost.
Yeah, then cometh the baptism of

1885
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:27,080
fire and of the Holy Ghost.
And I separate those two.

1886
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:30,640
I actually believe there's three
baptisms being talked about

1887
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:36,680
here.
And I mean I can get into why a

1888
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,960
little later.
But and then can ye speak with

1889
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:43,120
the tongue of angels and shout
praises unto the Holy One of

1890
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:53,960
Israel?
So baptism is the beginning of

1891
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,080
this process.
Nephi is stating it as well.

1892
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,680
Right.
You're entering in by baptism,

1893
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:06,280
that after that you received the
Holy Ghost, and that is.

1894
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:09,720
And eventually then you can
receive the Baptism of fire and

1895
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:13,400
the Baptism of the Holy Ghost
and can speak with a new tongue.

1896
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,280
Yeah, even with the tongue of
angels.

1897
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,640
And after this and after this
should deny me.

1898
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:21,200
It would have been better for
you that you had not known me.

1899
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:27,080
And honestly, if you really
think about it, to whom would it

1900
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:28,640
have been better to have not
known?

1901
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:30,400
Jesus?
I think that's basically Son of

1902
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:31,200
perdition.
All right.

1903
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:35,800
I mean, this is even the vilest
dissenter in this life who's

1904
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:40,200
made mistakes, not knowing the
fullness of the gospel.

1905
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,520
If they had an understanding of
Jesus, they tried to follow and

1906
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,680
failed.
I mean, I don't think that's

1907
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:49,760
what's being talked about here.
So again, it's talking about the

1908
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:53,320
the Highness of this baptism of
the Holy Ghost.

1909
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,000
Right.
This is something that's so

1910
01:56:56,040 --> 01:57:00,400
exalting that to then fall from
that is essentially son of

1911
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:01,840
perdition.
Right.

1912
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:08,040
And now, my beloved brother and
I know by this that unless a man

1913
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,600
shall endure to the end in
following the example of the Son

1914
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:12,320
of the living God, he cannot be
saved.

1915
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:18,440
So.
Again, Nephi is pointing to the

1916
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:23,080
end goal here, right?
When I was a missionary I

1917
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:25,880
remember teaching this and I
always thought endure to the end

1918
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:27,480
meant like enduring to the end
of your life.

1919
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:30,920
No, right.
That's enduring until you.

1920
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:35,440
Well, I'll let you go ahead.
How's that right?

1921
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,480
No, we got to get to the end of
this path.

1922
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:39,000
That's the end.
Right.

1923
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,240
If we should die on our way, all
is well.

1924
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,240
You know, we're going to we're
going to keep working on the

1925
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,600
other side, but we but we still
have the work to do.

1926
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,600
We got, we got to get there.
Yeah.

1927
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:53,440
We got to get there.
That's what we're trying to

1928
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,600
endure to the end of this, the
end of this journey.

1929
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:00,560
And so having been through this
whole diagram, we're suddenly

1930
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:05,960
going back outside of that altar
and we're realizing we might

1931
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:08,000
have been baptized, but there's
more to be done here.

1932
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,120
Have we been baptized by the
Holy Ghost?

1933
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:16,000
And I mean, the whole chapter is
fantastic.

1934
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:24,320
And The funny thing is, is he
keeps going on talking about

1935
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:26,600
repentance, right?
And this need for obedience and

1936
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,680
sacrifice and.
And then afterwards in chapter

1937
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:33,960
32, Lephi is basically like,
yeah, he still don't get it, do

1938
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:38,040
you?
You're not getting it still,

1939
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:42,440
right?
OK, let's try this one last

1940
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:45,880
time.
I'm gonna turn on my ultra

1941
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:50,200
plainness now.
Do ye not remember that I said

1942
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:52,520
unto you, that after you
received the Holy Ghost you

1943
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:54,160
could speak with the tongue of
angels?

1944
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:57,080
And now how could he speak with
the tongue of angels, save it

1945
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,560
were by the Holy Ghost?
Angels speak by the power of the

1946
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,840
Holy Ghost.
Wherefore they speak the words

1947
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:05,920
of Christ.
Wherefore I said unto you, Feast

1948
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,800
upon the words of Christ, for
behold, the words of Christ will

1949
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,040
tell you all things, what he
should do.

1950
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:16,560
So we want this baptism of of
the Holy Ghost.

1951
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,120
Right.
Well, how, how do we attain it?

1952
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:22,000
We've been baptized.
We received the gift of the Holy

1953
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:23,560
Ghost, right?
Right.

1954
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,520
But you'll notice, even in
receiving the gift of the Holy

1955
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:30,920
Ghost, we are commanded to
receive the Holy Ghost.

1956
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,160
Right.
It's not given.

1957
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:36,000
Right.
We're commanded to receive it.

1958
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:40,160
Well, and and you know, this is
where I think we come into the

1959
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:43,120
equation, right?
And I think Christ is alluding

1960
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:47,400
to that as he's speaking to
Nephi there, right, in the sense

1961
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:51,560
of we have he spells it out.
He says you've got to follow the

1962
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:55,640
Son, right, The Son of God.
And I think when we start

1963
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,320
looking at the law of the
gospel, that's really what it's

1964
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,480
about.
Are you pattern patterning your

1965
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:08,280
life after the sun and that?
That is hard work, right?

1966
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,160
It's not something I've
certainly mastered.

1967
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:14,720
I'm working on it real hard but
I I don't have it mastered yet.

1968
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,240
Right.
Exactly, exactly.

1969
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:20,880
But I, I believe it's
attainable.

1970
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,000
Here's the thing.
I don't, maybe there's nobody in

1971
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:27,040
this generation that's attained
to this, but I believe that this

1972
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:30,160
is that this destination is
attainable in this life.

1973
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:36,680
Maybe we don't get there and
that's OK, but I believe that it

1974
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:39,200
is available.
I mean, it was available to

1975
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:41,240
Christ and we're supposed to
follow Him.

1976
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:47,600
Well, look, I don't think God's
going to give a, give a, a

1977
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:53,680
commandment or a way to live and
then expect us not to get there,

1978
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:58,680
right?
Or, or, or expect that it is

1979
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:02,960
completely impossible, right?
I go back to that scripture

1980
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:08,760
where where they said, you know
what, what you know, BE perfect

1981
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:11,400
there as your father in heaven
is perfect, right?

1982
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:17,720
That sounds really daunting
until you realize that the the

1983
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:20,480
translation is bad to the
English there, right?

1984
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:23,720
What that should say is whole,
right?

1985
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,320
Well, now wholeness and
perfection are kind of different

1986
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:31,640
things, right?
Whole is you're doing all the

1987
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:33,760
things you should be doing,
right?

1988
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:38,960
It's the same illusion and, and
it speaks to balance, right as

1989
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:43,800
well.
And so while, while I don't

1990
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:47,880
think it's perfection like we
think of perfection, it is a, it

1991
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:50,640
is an attainable goal, right?
Can you put all these things

1992
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:52,800
into balance?
Can you become a whole person?

1993
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:57,400
Can you merge the the temporal
with the spiritual and and be

1994
02:01:57,400 --> 02:02:02,680
able to operate in a spiritual
nature while in mortality?

1995
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:05,640
Right.
No, I, I agree.

1996
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:08,840
And we want to receive that
wholeness.

1997
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:11,560
We want to, we want to be purged
of our weaknesses.

1998
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:17,720
We want to get to that place.
And Nephi is trying to explain

1999
02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:19,880
it to us, right?
And he says it starts with

2000
02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:21,240
baptism.
But.

2001
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:23,440
Apparently they're like, well,
now what?

2002
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:26,040
And he's like, what do you mean
now what?

2003
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,800
You receive baptism and then you
receive the gift of the Holy

2004
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:33,120
Ghost.
So, but they're still like,

2005
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:34,880
well, what do we do now?
Where do we go now?

2006
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:36,840
They want to be told exactly
where.

2007
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:38,560
They want somebody to tell them
what to do.

2008
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:42,000
Right.
Right, So Nephi is trying to

2009
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:46,200
explain, and the first part of
it is, is that you need to study

2010
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:52,120
the Scriptures, You need to turn
to the words of Christ, read his

2011
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:55,320
words, get familiar with them.
Let those things instill upon

2012
02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:58,240
you.
You got to be familiar.

2013
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:02,680
You got to put in that.
Work, right, right.

2014
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:05,160
And, and there's so much safety
there, right?

2015
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:08,320
Like I've always said, if you
become really familiar with the

2016
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:12,120
scriptures, it's going to be a
lot easier to spot an imposter a

2017
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:15,440
mile away before he gets close
enough to do damage, right?

2018
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:21,280
There's a ton that goes into
this idea of of getting into the

2019
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,640
scripture and figuring out what
it is it's telling you.

2020
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:29,000
Right.
And so first of all, he's saying

2021
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:33,240
feast upon the words of Christ.
And then Nephi interjects again.

2022
02:03:33,240 --> 02:03:36,680
You can tell he is pained that
this isn't clicking for

2023
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:39,200
everybody.
He wants us to click so bad.

2024
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:42,800
You know, he wants his people to
understand this and they're

2025
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:45,480
struggling.
But he goes on and says, where

2026
02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:48,120
For now, after I have spoken
these words, if you cannot

2027
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,640
understand them, it will,
because it will be because ye

2028
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:54,680
ask not, neither do ye knock.
Wherefore you are not brought

2029
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:56,680
into the light, but must perish
in the dark.

2030
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:01,040
Or behold again I say unto you,
that if you will enter in by the

2031
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:05,080
way, and receive the Holy Ghost,
it will show unto you all the

2032
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:09,560
things what you should do.
And that's really the key there.

2033
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,400
Well, both of those things
together, that's, this is how

2034
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:16,520
the Holy Ghost works.
First of all, you have to plow

2035
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:17,920
the field.
Right.

2036
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:24,680
And that is plowing the field.
That is where we are feasting

2037
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:29,920
upon the words of Christ.
We are making place within us a

2038
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:32,800
framework, a soil, something for
this to grow in.

2039
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:39,080
And then we're going to we're
going to grow a tree and it's

2040
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:41,200
going to start at the scene.
It's going to have to grow in

2041
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:43,560
this process.
And with that growth process is

2042
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:47,040
you receive the Holy Ghost and
it will show unto you all things

2043
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:51,680
what you should do.
Now, this is not a theoretical

2044
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:55,240
principle.
This is literally the process of

2045
02:04:55,240 --> 02:04:57,440
receiving the baptism of the
Holy Ghost, I believe.

2046
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:03,200
Right, so.
We start out and we receive the

2047
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:06,360
gift of the Holy Ghost having
been baptized, right?

2048
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,760
Right.
And the gift of the Holy Ghost

2049
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:14,440
is what makes the Baptism of the
Holy Ghost possible.

2050
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:18,040
Without it, you can't receive
the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

2051
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,800
The point is, is that I mean, if
you instead of ghost think about

2052
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,280
like maybe spirit and think
about your own spirit, is your

2053
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:27,160
own spirit holy or is it not
holy?

2054
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:30,000
I mean, mine's.
It's got some good spots, don't

2055
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,080
get me wrong, right?
It's got some, it's definitely

2056
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:34,160
got some good spots.
It's got some spots that aren't

2057
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:40,120
so good either.
I want to be baptized in the

2058
02:05:40,120 --> 02:05:43,320
Holy Ghost.
I want my spirit to be fully

2059
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:50,240
immersed in that divine so that
there's no speck of any unclean

2060
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:52,640
spirit within me.
Gotcha.

2061
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:56,040
And in order to do that, you go
through this process and the

2062
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:58,320
process is the cyclical process
here on the altar.

2063
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:02,080
Now on this diagram, this altar
is having sacrifices done on it

2064
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,960
daily.
Right.

2065
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:11,120
Constantly and just now.
The further in you go, the less

2066
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:15,640
active this diagram becomes.
But out here, out here in the

2067
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:18,720
courtyard, there are priests
there, you know, all day, all

2068
02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:20,480
night.
Maybe I mean, not all night, but

2069
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:24,640
they're, they are, they're doing
a lot of sacrifices on behalf of

2070
02:06:24,640 --> 02:06:26,320
the people.
And I think what that shows is

2071
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:33,720
this, this need for a repetitive
renewing of this spirit.

2072
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:37,480
And we recognize this in our
ordinances today as the

2073
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:41,000
sacrament where we where we are
weekly renewing that ordinance.

2074
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,760
And that's great.
Nothing wrong with renewing that

2075
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:48,480
covenant every week, but is that
really enough?

2076
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:56,200
Well, again, right, these
ordinances aren't, it's not

2077
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:59,240
enough to participate in in at
some point you have to

2078
02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:02,240
internalize them, right?
You have to figure out what it

2079
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:03,680
is they're trying to
communicate.

2080
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:06,520
If you don't, you're, you're
kind of missing the boat and

2081
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:10,120
you're just, you're just
checking boxes.

2082
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:12,240
And again, we all get there from
time to time.

2083
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:15,160
Just don't stay there.
Right, right.

2084
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,520
Exactly.
But we want to keep going.

2085
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:21,160
The objective is to keep going
and to keep going, we need to be

2086
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:25,360
even more actively involved in
that spiritual refinement

2087
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:33,600
process.
So there is a in, in, in Mosiah.

2088
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:37,080
There is a section where where
the, I think it's Mosiah.

2089
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:44,240
Well, it's where King Mosiah
either way, in the Book of

2090
02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:46,320
Mormon, when King Mosiah is
giving his address to the

2091
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:49,640
people, it says that they
experienced a mighty change of

2092
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:52,800
heart, that they had no more
desire to do evil.

2093
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:54,960
Right.
Right.

2094
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:59,240
And they have this spiritual
outpouring.

2095
02:08:00,520 --> 02:08:05,960
It's beautiful, it's powerful
and it's fantastic.

2096
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:11,040
And we see a similar type
experience later on and I

2097
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:15,800
believe third Nephire Helaman,
where, where these Lamanites are

2098
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:20,360
preached to imprison.
And again, there is a baptism of

2099
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:23,960
fire that these Lavanites
undergo.

2100
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:25,600
They have the spiritual
experience.

2101
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,000
They can see angels.
I think of the Kirtland Temple

2102
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:31,640
dedication.
It was a baptism of fire the day

2103
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:34,960
of Pentecost, these baptisms of
fire.

2104
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:38,480
And these are things that we
want to experience because they

2105
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:42,600
give us a hint at what the
baptism of the Holy Ghost is.

2106
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:46,040
But it's still, you're still not
fully immersed.

2107
02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:48,600
You, you, you're dipping in,
though now, now you're really

2108
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,200
dipping in, you're getting a
feel for what this is what it

2109
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:53,040
is.
You're, you're look what it,

2110
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:55,120
what the bastard of the Holy
Ghost really would be.

2111
02:08:56,080 --> 02:09:00,040
And what that is, is what we
make in our, in the sacrament

2112
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:04,840
covenant, that we may always
have his spirit to be with us.

2113
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:10,440
Not some of the time, not, not
not when you're praying, but

2114
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:12,680
when you're working, when
you're, when you're struggling

2115
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:14,480
with problems, when you're
dealing with obstacles you got

2116
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:19,960
to overcome.
And so in that journey,

2117
02:09:19,960 --> 02:09:22,520
sometimes we get blessed with
these baptisms of fire.

2118
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:27,640
And I believe they're there to
give us a, a testament that

2119
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:31,080
we're on the right track to give
us a taste of that fruit.

2120
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,800
So we so we desire it even more.
But here's the challenge, right?

2121
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:40,680
This is a fascinating law
because this is something that

2122
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:44,880
grows with us.
What I mean by that is, you

2123
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:47,800
know, I had a experience of a,
of a mighty change of heart, so

2124
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:50,960
to speak, or a baptism of fire
when I was on my mission.

2125
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:55,520
And at the time it felt like I
had arrived.

2126
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,320
I thought like, I'm there, I'm
done.

2127
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:01,040
I got it nailed.
It.

2128
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:04,800
Right.
The thing is though, I was on my

2129
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:06,920
mission, LDS mission, right?
So.

2130
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:10,680
Conditions are perfect.
Conditions are.

2131
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:14,160
Perfect, right?
And.

2132
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:17,200
Completely perfect and so then
you get back from your mission

2133
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:19,600
and all of a sudden you've got
to OK, how you going to take

2134
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:26,880
care of yourself.
You got to start dating so you

2135
02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:30,200
can get married.
You got all these, you're

2136
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:32,480
dealing with things that you
didn't have to deal with before.

2137
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:35,120
Yep.
And all of a sudden.

2138
02:10:36,760 --> 02:10:39,800
You ain't got it.
The context changed, it shifted,

2139
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,200
right He's like, OK, you're
doing good, you're doing good.

2140
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:47,880
Now let's medium difficulty, you
know, then you get married and

2141
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:50,520
you start having children and
you have to teach you children

2142
02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:53,080
and, and all of this.
And now we're on hard

2143
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:55,720
difficulty, right?
And it's like, all right, can

2144
02:10:55,720 --> 02:11:01,280
you master this on hard mode?
And so we have these moments

2145
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:04,360
where we brush up against an
understanding of what this

2146
02:11:04,360 --> 02:11:08,120
baptism of the Holy Ghost is.
But to fully be baptized by the

2147
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:11,080
Holy Ghost, you actually kind of
have to have toured this whole

2148
02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:14,560
thing first.
You have to have explored the

2149
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:20,000
temple first because as you do
that you receive greater and

2150
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:24,920
greater responsibilities and and
living the law of the gospel

2151
02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:27,600
becomes more and more
challenging.

2152
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:32,200
Gotcha.
And so, but I just want to get

2153
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:34,680
to practical application here
because here's the thing, even

2154
02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:37,840
though we're now talking about
the final stages, we're trying

2155
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:39,360
to talk about how to pass
through the veil.

2156
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:43,080
Even though that's what we're
talking about, this is something

2157
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:44,920
that you can work on as soon as
you're baptized.

2158
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:48,960
You don't need to wait until
you've gone through the rest of

2159
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:51,120
this either, though, to start
progressing on this path and

2160
02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:54,520
start getting it down.
You might not be able to get to

2161
02:11:54,520 --> 02:11:57,960
the ultimate conclusion of it,
but you can start putting in the

2162
02:11:57,960 --> 02:11:59,400
work right now.
And here's the thing.

2163
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:02,080
The works got to get done.
Whether this life or the next,

2164
02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:05,680
the works got to get done.
You know, I mentioned that that

2165
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:09,800
old patriarch that I, I talked
to in the LDS church when I

2166
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:14,120
first, when I first joined the
church, he would spend hours

2167
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:17,200
with me.
Like, look, podcasting wasn't a

2168
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:20,120
thing back in that day.
But man, I wish I had some of

2169
02:12:20,120 --> 02:12:23,840
that audio recorded because
there were some deep discussions

2170
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:29,000
and I remember, gosh, I, I
hadn't even been a member a year

2171
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:31,600
yet, right?
And I'm already trying to chew

2172
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:34,160
on some pretty heady stuff,
right?

2173
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:38,840
And probably had no business
doing it at that point, right?

2174
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:42,280
Because again, I'm I'm typical
Dave style.

2175
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:44,360
I'm biting off a little more
than I can chew.

2176
02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:46,320
It seems like all the time,
right?

2177
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:49,200
I think it's a double edged
sword.

2178
02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:51,000
I think that's where a lot of
growth happens.

2179
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:53,240
But I also think that's where
you can get sidetracked

2180
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:54,960
sometimes.
Yeah.

2181
02:12:55,400 --> 02:12:59,080
And I remember he caught he, I
shouldn't say cautioned me.

2182
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:01,800
He just kind of tried to slow me
down a little bit.

2183
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:04,640
Right.
And he was like, look, before

2184
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,440
you start worrying about these
things, get really good at

2185
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:12,040
living by the Spirit.
Get used to what the spirit

2186
02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:14,720
sounds like.
Understand what it feels like to

2187
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:19,400
have that, that spirit with you
constantly and then you'll be

2188
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,600
ready to move on, right?
And so speaking to your point

2189
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:26,760
about you don't have to wait to
go to the temple to Start

2190
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:31,480
learning about the spirit 100%.
In fact, that's where you should

2191
02:13:31,480 --> 02:13:34,520
spend a lot of your time is
learning that, right?

2192
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:38,800
If look, I, I've always said
and, and I truly believe this,

2193
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:43,120
that the temple is kind of the
Ellis Island in design, right?

2194
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:46,200
That's where you're going to go
to get your citizenship paper,

2195
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:51,560
so to speak, right?
With that, if we use use the

2196
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:58,680
analogy of of immigration,
right, learning to hear, feel

2197
02:13:58,680 --> 02:14:02,320
and listen to the spirit is like
learning the language, right?

2198
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:05,600
And you have to learn that
language if you want full

2199
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:10,720
enfranchisement into this new
Zion society, right?

2200
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:13,840
And so Start learning to speak
that language now so that when

2201
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:17,440
you get ready to go get your
citizenship papers in the

2202
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:20,680
Kingdom of God in Zion, you're
going to know how to speak the

2203
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:22,880
language.
Right, You're that much further

2204
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,440
along, you're that much more
ready.

2205
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:27,640
Absolutely.
And that's the thing, right?

2206
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:31,520
And nobody ultimately does other
than Christ, right, because he's

2207
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:33,080
the one.
That's the symbolism that Nephi

2208
02:14:33,080 --> 02:14:36,160
is referring to is when Christ
was baptized, the Holy Ghost

2209
02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:39,120
sent the, the dove, the sign of
that, that was an indication

2210
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:44,480
that for Christ, as soon as he
was baptized, he was also

2211
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:45,640
received the baptism of the Holy
Ghost.

2212
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:47,360
It all happens right there for
him.

2213
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:49,000
But we've got a, we've got a
journey.

2214
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:52,200
We've got to learn his words and
learn to follow them.

2215
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:56,600
And that's the key too, right?
Because Nephi talks about the

2216
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:59,040
Holy Ghost as if this is some
sort of a beautiful gift.

2217
02:14:59,080 --> 02:15:01,000
This is what you're getting
baptized for.

2218
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:03,400
The baptism, not the important
part is the gift of the Holy

2219
02:15:03,400 --> 02:15:05,640
Ghost.
That's why you're doing it.

2220
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:08,320
This is a transaction.
You're going to enter into this

2221
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:09,960
covenant and you're going to
obey and you're going to make

2222
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:13,320
these sacrifices.
But the whole point is so you

2223
02:15:13,320 --> 02:15:15,480
can receive this blessing,
right?

2224
02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:17,200
And the blessing is the gift of
the Holy Ghost.

2225
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:22,480
And this is so instrumental in
everything else, because the way

2226
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:27,360
you get to that baptism of the
Holy Ghost is by the Holy Ghost.

2227
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:29,960
Yep.
This is like, it's like you're

2228
02:15:29,960 --> 02:15:34,840
playing a game of of Marco Polo,
right?

2229
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:38,280
Except instead of, instead of
the, the player you're trying to

2230
02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:40,360
catch moving around, they're
holding still and you're just

2231
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:43,200
getting washed around in
currents in the, in the, in the

2232
02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:47,560
currents of life.
And you're like Marco 00 clear.

2233
02:15:47,680 --> 02:15:51,080
OK, go that way, Marco.
Oh, now it's OK that way.

2234
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:54,200
It's you're, you're learning to
navigate your life.

2235
02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:58,000
This is the compass to your and
that's exactly the symbolism,

2236
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:02,680
like the compass to Leahona.
And this is the absolute down to

2237
02:16:02,680 --> 02:16:06,080
earth practical application.
Here's what you do.

2238
02:16:06,080 --> 02:16:09,120
You wake up in the morning.
Do you feel the Spirit

2239
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:11,360
powerfully?
Is that manifesting?

2240
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:12,560
Is it?
Is it in your heart?

2241
02:16:14,120 --> 02:16:17,000
Maybe, maybe not.
Either way, pray.

2242
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:20,000
Right.
And pray until you get the

2243
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:21,520
Spirit.
Right.

2244
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:26,080
Now you've got the Spirit, you
started your day with the Spirit

2245
02:16:26,080 --> 02:16:30,160
and you're going to start going
about your day and 10 minutes

2246
02:16:30,160 --> 02:16:32,680
later you need to check yourself
and say, do I still have the

2247
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:34,680
Spirit?
Right.

2248
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,200
And it might be that, oh, it's
gone.

2249
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:42,920
What happened, what happened in
the last five minutes?

2250
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:47,000
This is the Holy Ghost showing
you what you should do.

2251
02:16:47,719 --> 02:16:50,200
You're showing you because that
that's going to illustrate what

2252
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:53,080
you shouldn't have done.
And this is purely subjective.

2253
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:55,120
I'm not just talking to, well,
not subjective.

2254
02:16:55,440 --> 02:16:58,360
This is individual.
This is purely individual,

2255
02:16:58,360 --> 02:17:00,160
right?
Because when you're, when you're

2256
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,799
starting out on this, the main
things are let's just try to

2257
02:17:02,799 --> 02:17:04,360
keep the basic commandments
right?

2258
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:09,400
And you can have the Holy Ghost
with you and and you know, and

2259
02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:14,400
then you went and I don't know
you, you passed by a beggar

2260
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:16,400
asking for money and you decided
not to help.

2261
02:17:17,959 --> 02:17:22,120
And you feel that hit and oh,
OK, but that's kind of a bigger

2262
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:24,360
event, right?
But as you, as you follow the

2263
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:25,879
Holy Ghost, you get more
sensitive.

2264
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:27,879
You get closer.
You're getting closer to that

2265
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:32,879
baptism of the Holy Ghost.
And as you get closer, suddenly

2266
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:37,360
different things now are going
to drive that spirit away so

2267
02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:40,040
that you can be aware.
It's not that you're falling.

2268
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:41,719
It's not that you're not making
progress.

2269
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:44,879
It's that there's more to learn
and the Holy Ghost is going to

2270
02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:48,639
teach you.
And so now, well, why, why is it

2271
02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:51,360
gone now?
What am I missing?

2272
02:17:51,360 --> 02:17:56,760
What it maybe, what did I do or,
or what didn't I do in the last

2273
02:17:56,760 --> 02:17:59,879
five minutes?
Oh well, oh, the kids came in

2274
02:17:59,879 --> 02:18:02,559
and they were kind of fighting
and I just kind of pushed them

2275
02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:04,639
off to the wife.
To deal with.

2276
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:07,320
And now I'm not feeling the Holy
Ghost.

2277
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:10,160
You know, I think the Holy Ghost
is telling me that I need to to

2278
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:13,639
deal with that.
And that's OK.

2279
02:18:13,639 --> 02:18:17,840
See, this is, I hate to say this
because it can be taken the

2280
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:21,200
wrong way, but I believe that
the Gospel is a plan where you

2281
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:26,559
failing is part of the plan.
Sure, you have to fail so you

2282
02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:29,520
can learn.
This is how we grow by making

2283
02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:33,040
mistakes and learning from them.
And So what do you do right

2284
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:35,920
there on the spot, you, you
repent, you had This is why you

2285
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:40,000
pray always, right, So that you
can say, hey, you know what, I

2286
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:44,879
just I just there's a problem in
the household and I probably

2287
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,360
should have dealt with it.
And I just pushed the

2288
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:49,080
responsibility off of somebody
else.

2289
02:18:49,719 --> 02:18:51,280
And that's not what I want to
do.

2290
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:53,959
That's not who I want to be.
And you're not, you're not find

2291
02:18:53,959 --> 02:18:55,480
you got the Spirit back with you
again.

2292
02:18:56,040 --> 02:18:58,280
Right.
And now you go and you and you

2293
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:00,879
deal with the situation and you
got the spirit back and you

2294
02:19:00,879 --> 02:19:04,760
watch it and you watch it all
day long.

2295
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:07,120
And you, and from that you learn
the things that you should do

2296
02:19:07,559 --> 02:19:09,680
all things what you should do,
because you can't make a list.

2297
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:11,559
There's this is too
individualized at this point.

2298
02:19:11,559 --> 02:19:13,879
This is no longer the checklist
stuff, right?

2299
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:17,120
That we can provide you with
like here, go through this,

2300
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:19,360
this, this, this, this, this,
this, and there you go.

2301
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:22,840
You know, this is we're trying
to become gods.

2302
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:26,440
We're trying to become like our
Father in heaven, and we're all

2303
02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:28,040
different.
We're all coming from different

2304
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:30,480
experiences.
This is a highly personalized

2305
02:19:30,480 --> 02:19:32,400
process at this point.
It's very internal.

2306
02:19:32,400 --> 02:19:35,080
This is the inward ordinance.
Right.

2307
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:40,520
And this is the first key
baptism of the Holy Ghost, and

2308
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:46,440
this is what we're attaining to.
And I believe that if we do as

2309
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:48,400
Nephi says, we can get to that
point.

2310
02:19:49,080 --> 02:19:52,880
So this refinement process where
we have the Spirit with us so

2311
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:56,800
constantly and so powerfully
that we can immediately notice

2312
02:19:56,800 --> 02:20:00,720
when things are off and we can
correct them and that's and

2313
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:03,360
immediately correct them or
maybe even avoid them.

2314
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:05,960
Maybe you're about to step on
that rake and you and and you

2315
02:20:05,960 --> 02:20:07,720
pull back.
Right.

2316
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:10,120
And that's what we're trying to
get to.

2317
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:11,840
That's the baptism of the Holy
Ghost.

2318
02:20:12,520 --> 02:20:16,760
And it's a process.
There's many stages, it's very

2319
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:19,560
individual, but the whole thing
is very, very simple.

2320
02:20:19,880 --> 02:20:24,960
And it just comes down to
repent, receive the spirit,

2321
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:30,240
follow Spirit, repent, receive
spirit, follow Spirit over and

2322
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:33,120
over and over again.
The more, the faster you do it,

2323
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,960
the more you cycle through that,
the, the, the faster you grow.

2324
02:20:35,960 --> 02:20:38,240
But it's going to take time
either way.

2325
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:42,200
It's going to take time.
It will, but that's what comes

2326
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:45,200
first.
And I would say that when you

2327
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,760
have received the baptism of the
Holy Ghost, you have met one of

2328
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:49,920
the requirements to pass through
the veil.

2329
02:20:51,400 --> 02:20:57,080
OK.
And I would say that it is a it

2330
02:20:57,080 --> 02:21:00,840
is written upon your soul.
Gotcha.

2331
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:05,680
Maybe more than just more than
just an A marking on the body.

2332
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:08,680
It's been internalized.
I mean, yeah, it's, it's

2333
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:10,040
internalized.
It's on the Spirit.

2334
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:11,320
Yep.
Internalized.

2335
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:17,760
So continuing on with these
mysteries here, sealing power.

2336
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:20,680
So you've received the
priesthood, you might have

2337
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:22,800
received all of the priesthood,
you might have received

2338
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,440
everything.
Maybe Joseph Smith himself lays

2339
02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:28,440
his hands on your head and says
he gives you everything.

2340
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:33,440
That's still outward, that's
still an outward ordinance.

2341
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:40,600
And there's an internal
component to our our priesthood

2342
02:21:40,600 --> 02:21:44,080
service and the exercise of the
priesthood.

2343
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,880
And this is what I would call
the ceiling power.

2344
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:52,120
So I'm going to just jump on
over here to heal him in chapter

2345
02:21:52,120 --> 02:22:00,080
10 because this is a story that
I believe exemplifies what it is

2346
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:03,480
we're trying to attain to.
So we've received the outward

2347
02:22:03,480 --> 02:22:06,080
ordinance of priesthood.
We want to receive the internal

2348
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:08,400
ordinance.
We want to fulfill this so that

2349
02:22:08,400 --> 02:22:10,360
we can pass through the veil
what is required.

2350
02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:12,960
This is the Lord speaking to
Nephi.

2351
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:17,760
Blessed art thou, Nephi, for
those things which he have done.

2352
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:21,880
For I have beheld how thou hast
with unwavering this declared

2353
02:22:21,880 --> 02:22:25,120
the word which I have given unto
thee unto this people.

2354
02:22:25,480 --> 02:22:29,400
And thou hast not feared them,
and hast not sought thine own

2355
02:22:29,400 --> 02:22:33,360
life, but has sought my will and
to keep my commandments.

2356
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:37,600
That's really beautiful there.
And I think it, it signifies all

2357
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:39,960
of this stuff, right?
He's preaching.

2358
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:41,600
To the.
People he's teaching, he's

2359
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:45,400
serving them, but he's also
sacrificing.

2360
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:48,560
Right.
Himself, he's consecrated

2361
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:55,640
everything into serving God.
And now because thou hast done

2362
02:22:55,640 --> 02:23:00,480
this with such unweight wearing
this, behold, I will bless thee

2363
02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:04,520
forever, and I will make thee
mighty in Word, end in deed, in

2364
02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:10,400
faith, and in works.
Yeah, even in all things, Yeah,

2365
02:23:10,440 --> 02:23:13,920
even that all things shall be
done unto thee according to thy

2366
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:17,560
word, For thou shalt not ask
that which is contrary to my

2367
02:23:17,560 --> 02:23:22,240
will.
So we have an aspect here of of

2368
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:25,840
perfect obedience.
Right, right.

2369
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,440
Nephi's this Nephi here.
He's not a.

2370
02:23:28,440 --> 02:23:29,640
He's not a.
He's not a.

2371
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:35,240
He's not a an 89.99�� angle.
He is a.

2372
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:43,240
He's a exact 90.
Yep, he's 100%, and he's being

2373
02:23:43,240 --> 02:23:45,520
blessed for it.
Behold, thou art Nephi, and I am

2374
02:23:45,520 --> 02:23:47,120
God.
Behold, I declare it unto thee

2375
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:50,080
in the presence of mine angels
that ye have, that ye shall have

2376
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:52,160
power over this people, and
shall smite the earth with

2377
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:54,440
famine, and with pestilence and
destruction, according to the

2378
02:23:54,440 --> 02:23:57,960
wickedness of this people.
Behold, I give unto you power,

2379
02:23:58,360 --> 02:24:02,240
that whatsoever ye shall seal on
earth shall be sealed in heaven,

2380
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:04,920
and whatsoever ye shall loose on
earth shall be loosed in heaven,

2381
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:07,200
and thus shall ye have power
among his people.

2382
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:12,920
So you received the priesthood.
But do we have power in our

2383
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:18,320
priesthood?
And again, we're trying to

2384
02:24:18,320 --> 02:24:20,440
understand how to cross through
the veil here.

2385
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:27,000
We're trying to learn what we
need to do to get to the other

2386
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:29,160
side.
And here we're talking about do.

2387
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:30,880
Is there power in your
priesthood?

2388
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:34,080
Is it, given his power from God,
been given to you in your

2389
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:35,640
priesthood?
So go ahead, go ahead.

2390
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:42,720
I was going to say there was a
statement that was made by

2391
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:46,360
Russell M Nelson of all people
that I thought was very telling.

2392
02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:50,320
And I heard this because I had,
this was back when I was in the

2393
02:24:50,320 --> 02:24:53,960
LDS Church and I had to go
because of the calling I had.

2394
02:24:54,280 --> 02:24:57,520
There was a certain leadership
meeting that I went to and the

2395
02:24:58,120 --> 02:25:02,960
IT was then president of the
Quorum of 12, Russell M Nelson.

2396
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:05,840
He wasn't the president yet of,
of the church.

2397
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:09,640
And he said something that
really stuck with me and, and,

2398
02:25:09,640 --> 02:25:13,120
and the spirit really caught me
and said, perk up, you want to

2399
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,240
listen to this?
And he said, we've here in the

2400
02:25:16,240 --> 02:25:20,080
church, we've done a very good
job of passing the authority of

2401
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:24,000
the priesthood along, but we
haven't done such a good job of

2402
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,240
teaching men how to access that
power.

2403
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:29,240
Was he speaking from experience?
Right.

2404
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:34,560
I'll leave that to everybody
else to decide.

2405
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,280
No, no, you're good.
You're good.

2406
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:41,160
That's, that's staying in.
But you know, you know, the, the

2407
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:45,280
there is truth to that, right?
I mean, we can show you where to

2408
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:50,320
go to get proper priesthood
authority all day long, twice on

2409
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:53,240
Sunday.
It's something different to

2410
02:25:53,240 --> 02:25:55,880
access the power of the
priesthood, right?

2411
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:59,760
And, and I think that's what,
what what God was alluding to as

2412
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:02,120
he was speaking to Nephi there,
right?

2413
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:05,440
He's like, OK, your will is
matching my will.

2414
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:09,880
So at least in the things that
pertain to my Kingdom, I can

2415
02:26:09,880 --> 02:26:14,920
trust that since your will is
aligned with my will, you won't

2416
02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:19,360
do anything that's contrary to
mine, right?

2417
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,920
And I think that's where the
accessing of that power comes

2418
02:26:22,920 --> 02:26:26,000
in.
And, and I think that's why that

2419
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:30,960
scriptures included about
Christ's prayer at, in, in

2420
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:36,480
Gethsemane, right?
Because there's only one thing.

2421
02:26:36,840 --> 02:26:40,480
I'll, I, I would say there's two
subsets of it, but there's only

2422
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:43,080
one thing that the Father won't
encroach upon.

2423
02:26:43,720 --> 02:26:47,480
That's our will and the go along
with that, what we're going to

2424
02:26:47,480 --> 02:26:50,800
do with the time that we've been
allotted here on earth, right?

2425
02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:56,120
Because that's a reflection of
where where we value things.

2426
02:26:56,120 --> 02:27:00,400
And so the Lord's not going to
encroach upon that, right?

2427
02:27:00,760 --> 02:27:05,120
So with that said, if we look at
that scripture, that's a

2428
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:08,680
humbling scripture for the Son
of God where he says, just let

2429
02:27:08,680 --> 02:27:12,960
this cup pass from me, right?
Why include that unless there's

2430
02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:16,280
a greater lesson here we're
supposed to learn and and he he

2431
02:27:16,280 --> 02:27:20,280
brings that caveat in, but
nonetheless, not my will, but

2432
02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:24,480
your will be done right.
And I think that's where we've

2433
02:27:24,480 --> 02:27:28,800
got to get if we really want to
access the power of the

2434
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:32,440
priesthood is learning to sync
our will to the will of the

2435
02:27:32,440 --> 02:27:35,200
Father.
Yeah, absolutely.

2436
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:39,680
And I believe, just like with
the baptism, the law of the

2437
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:43,160
gospel is what is going to teach
you how to attain to that

2438
02:27:43,160 --> 02:27:46,600
mystery.
I think again, here we have

2439
02:27:46,600 --> 02:27:48,760
priesthood service.
It is the law of consecration

2440
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:51,200
that's going to teach us how to
attain to ceiling.

2441
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:54,600
Power, yeah.
That's the point of the law.

2442
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:58,360
And you know, you, you, I, I, I
did enjoy that.

2443
02:27:58,360 --> 02:28:01,120
I, I love that podcast on, on
the law of consecration.

2444
02:28:01,160 --> 02:28:05,480
It was really good.
I want to just share my take on

2445
02:28:05,480 --> 02:28:07,680
this though, because I think
this is something that has

2446
02:28:07,720 --> 02:28:10,360
immediate application and I've
got a heresy too.

2447
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:14,600
So, OK, I'll share my, I'll
share my heretical perspectives

2448
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:19,000
as well.
So the law of consecration is a

2449
02:28:19,720 --> 02:28:26,160
very controversial topic and
Mormonism and fundamentalism

2450
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:31,600
because there's a lot of
different ideas on, on what this

2451
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:36,600
really is and, and what it looks
like on how to live it, right.

2452
02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:42,960
And first of all, I want to
start with saying I think that

2453
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:45,480
there's a separation.
A lot of times you bulk all

2454
02:28:45,480 --> 02:28:47,160
these ideas together and I think
they're separate.

2455
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:49,960
I think the law of consecration
is separate than the people

2456
02:28:49,960 --> 02:28:53,960
having all things in common,
which I also think is separate

2457
02:28:53,960 --> 02:28:57,080
from a united order.
There's a relationship between

2458
02:28:57,080 --> 02:29:00,120
all three of these things, but
they are all separate things

2459
02:29:00,120 --> 02:29:03,000
that need to be looked at as
individual components, right?

2460
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:07,800
And I don't have the time.
I also not entirely prepared to

2461
02:29:07,800 --> 02:29:10,800
go through this whole thing, but
just a high level overview.

2462
02:29:11,320 --> 02:29:17,200
This is this is my heresy.
OK, so let it be written.

2463
02:29:18,880 --> 02:29:22,760
I believe that the the point of
the United Order is to provide

2464
02:29:22,760 --> 02:29:27,640
an inheritance so that everybody
who comes into this life has an

2465
02:29:27,640 --> 02:29:30,760
opportunity at the temporal
success.

2466
02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:34,120
Got you.
If you look at the ancient House

2467
02:29:34,120 --> 02:29:38,160
of Israel, they were given these
lots and The funny thing was on

2468
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:40,840
these Jubilee years, ownerships
reverted back.

2469
02:29:45,080 --> 02:29:48,280
The point of that, I believe, is
because if ownership doesn't

2470
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:51,800
revert back, a father can sell
his son's inheritance before he

2471
02:29:51,800 --> 02:29:53,920
even has a son.
Right.

2472
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,880
And then a son is born to a
father with no inheritance,

2473
02:29:56,880 --> 02:30:00,560
cannot give him an inheritance
and this child is now destined

2474
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:05,400
for poverty, doesn't have the
opportunity to to have success

2475
02:30:05,400 --> 02:30:07,600
in anything temporal.
So I think a united order, the

2476
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:12,680
idea behind that united order
was to, it was like you we have

2477
02:30:12,840 --> 02:30:15,640
later in the church we had like
the perpetual immigration fund.

2478
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:20,080
Right.
That one point the church had a

2479
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:23,560
perpetual education fund.
Well, I think that the United

2480
02:30:23,560 --> 02:30:28,720
Order original intent was a
perpetual land ownership fund

2481
02:30:30,600 --> 02:30:34,760
and people consecrate into it.
So there is consecrations

2482
02:30:34,760 --> 02:30:37,720
involved, right, Because people
consecrate into it.

2483
02:30:37,720 --> 02:30:41,720
But the point was to provide an
inheritance for everybody so

2484
02:30:41,720 --> 02:30:44,840
that everybody has a, a land.
Now what they do with it, it's

2485
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:46,640
up to them whether they rise or
fall.

2486
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:50,720
They don't succeed, but at least
they're given the opportunity, a

2487
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:54,960
baseline opportunity.
It's not universal income

2488
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:57,640
because that's, that violates, I
think these principles of

2489
02:30:57,640 --> 02:31:06,760
agency, but universal
opportunity at having a resource

2490
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:09,600
ownership of something, that
stewardship, I should say

2491
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:12,080
stewardship over something that
you can use to create an income.

2492
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:14,640
I, I do believe that there is an
aspect of the human right to

2493
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:19,080
that and I think that's what
United Order is.

2494
02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:22,040
Now, what does it mean to have
all things in common then?

2495
02:31:24,040 --> 02:31:27,280
I believe having all things in
common can only mean one thing.

2496
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:33,760
It does not mean that there's 22
applications and we always jump

2497
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:35,640
to the one, and I think we
completely miss it.

2498
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:38,680
But having all things in common
means that all things are united

2499
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:42,200
under one thing, right?
And so from a worldly

2500
02:31:42,200 --> 02:31:47,320
perspective, this is what we
would call maybe communism

2501
02:31:47,760 --> 02:31:51,040
executed perfectly.
And I think that's how a lot of

2502
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:53,080
people look at that.
I don't believe that's

2503
02:31:53,080 --> 02:31:55,920
necessarily what I mean.
That could be hypothetically, if

2504
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:59,920
you were to take Mark said his
word and say this is actually

2505
02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:03,040
going to work and you
implemented it, yes, you would

2506
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:08,080
have all things in common.
It wouldn't be the right all

2507
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:12,040
things in common too though,
because what are they in common

2508
02:32:12,040 --> 02:32:14,560
to in that case?
They're all in common to man.

2509
02:32:15,880 --> 02:32:19,400
There's another way of looking
at this, and this is and I, this

2510
02:32:19,400 --> 02:32:21,000
is what I believe.
This is intended to me.

2511
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:24,840
I don't believe it has anything
to do with shared ownership

2512
02:32:25,160 --> 02:32:27,200
among us.
I believe all things are in

2513
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:31,280
common because we have
consecrated all of our things to

2514
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:38,760
God and God is the common
because it's a society.

2515
02:32:39,040 --> 02:32:43,920
I can do that individually, but
if I do it and you do it and

2516
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:48,520
everybody else does it, you in
in a community, you could say in

2517
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:50,640
a sense, everybody in this
community has all things in

2518
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:55,440
common because they are
everything is consecrated to

2519
02:32:55,440 --> 02:32:59,840
God.
And with that, we then become

2520
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:05,040
the stewardship stewards.
And so when you look at what the

2521
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:09,280
word consecration means, it
means to, it has this meaning of

2522
02:33:09,280 --> 02:33:11,800
you're setting something apart
to be holy.

2523
02:33:13,880 --> 02:33:18,880
And so we consecrate oil before
using it for blessings.

2524
02:33:19,520 --> 02:33:22,000
We don't consecrate oil and then
use it on salad.

2525
02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:25,080
Right.
Why not?

2526
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:28,720
Because it's, we dedicated it to
something very, very specific.

2527
02:33:29,440 --> 02:33:32,240
It is, it is consecrated and set
apart now.

2528
02:33:32,880 --> 02:33:37,040
And so this is my take on law of
consecration.

2529
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:41,600
And it's kind of heretical
maybe, but I believe that the

2530
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:44,840
the true application of the law
of consecration is when you

2531
02:33:44,840 --> 02:33:50,720
literally, literally consecrate
everything you want and your

2532
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:56,680
time, talents and possessions.
And you might use a church as a

2533
02:33:56,680 --> 02:34:00,080
vehicle of the consecration, but
ultimately I don't believe you

2534
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:03,200
can consecrate to a church.
You can only consecrate to God.

2535
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:07,040
That's where I get a little
heretical.

2536
02:34:07,560 --> 02:34:09,520
OK, gotcha.
That's where you're going to

2537
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,000
take exception with a, that's
where.

2538
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:14,560
I'm going to take exceptions
with something and I, I, I don't

2539
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:17,160
disagree, I just interpret it
differently.

2540
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:21,080
I believe that we consecrate,
that consecrating to the church

2541
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:25,480
is a vehicle.
And here's what I mean by that.

2542
02:34:25,640 --> 02:34:27,440
Now the law of tightening is
absolute, right?

2543
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:29,360
That's going to go back to law
of the gospel.

2544
02:34:31,640 --> 02:34:34,400
The law of tithing is very
specific and it's very absolute

2545
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:39,360
on, on what's on, on what it is
you're supposed to be giving

2546
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:44,600
away what you're sacrificing.
The law of consecration, I

2547
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:48,200
believe, is a principle where
you are giving everything to God

2548
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:52,040
and then you receive a
stewardship over it.

2549
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:58,080
And so I might own a shovel.
Is my shovel consecrated?

2550
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:03,280
Well, what does a what does a
consecrated shovel look like?

2551
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:06,280
Well, it doesn't mean I gave it
to the church because if I gave

2552
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:08,680
it to the church, now I don't
have a shovel.

2553
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:11,800
And maybe they gave it back to
the stewardship, but that's just

2554
02:35:11,800 --> 02:35:13,160
getting ridiculous.
In my opinion.

2555
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:16,760
That's just getting ridiculous.
It's a lot of busy work and it

2556
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:22,200
with no apparent really value.
But if if I consecrate my shovel

2557
02:35:22,200 --> 02:35:26,040
to God, then it's no longer my
shovel.

2558
02:35:26,040 --> 02:35:28,040
I'm just the stewardship steward
over it.

2559
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:30,920
And so then I have a neighbor
and my neighbor doesn't have a

2560
02:35:30,920 --> 02:35:36,720
shovel and he's digging a hole.
Can I lend him my shovel?

2561
02:35:37,320 --> 02:35:41,000
Can I give him my shovel?
Well, you, you would ask God,

2562
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:44,600
because you're steward and you
got to ask God and you got to

2563
02:35:44,600 --> 02:35:45,920
ask God what you should do with
that.

2564
02:35:45,920 --> 02:35:50,960
And it might be that my God
might direct you as steward of

2565
02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:52,840
that shovel to lend it to your
neighbor.

2566
02:35:53,240 --> 02:35:55,520
He might tell you to give it to
your neighbor.

2567
02:35:56,640 --> 02:36:01,120
You don't know, but this is how
I look at the law of

2568
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:04,680
consecration.
And this is a very different way

2569
02:36:04,680 --> 02:36:06,920
of looking at your time
possessions, your money.

2570
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:10,600
Because let's say you want to
buy something and you're like,

2571
02:36:10,600 --> 02:36:14,720
oh, you, you know, you're at
Costco and oh, there's a display

2572
02:36:14,720 --> 02:36:17,000
and there's a, and there's a
limited time offer to get some

2573
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:20,760
really good pants and you've got
some money burning a hole in

2574
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:26,640
your pocket.
Do you buy them or not?

2575
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:29,000
Well, this is an issue of
consecration.

2576
02:36:29,440 --> 02:36:31,200
Have you consecrated that money
to the Lord?

2577
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:34,800
Right.
Hopefully you have and if you

2578
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:37,480
have, you can now ask the Lord
Lord, how would you like me to

2579
02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:40,800
use these funds?
And the Lord might answer and

2580
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,920
say, I want you to buy those
pants because it'll, it'll bless

2581
02:36:44,920 --> 02:36:50,000
your wife and it'll, and it'll
allow her, it'll make her life

2582
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:52,040
more comfortable so she can
focus on more important things.

2583
02:36:52,040 --> 02:36:54,560
And there could be a very good
reason to buy those pants,

2584
02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:58,960
right?
But at the same time, the Lord

2585
02:36:58,960 --> 02:37:02,200
might tell you and say, no, you
don't need those you can do

2586
02:37:02,200 --> 02:37:05,560
without, and there's something
better you can spend that on

2587
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:09,480
that would serve me and my
purposes for you.

2588
02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:13,640
Gotcha.
So that's how I see the law of

2589
02:37:13,640 --> 02:37:16,400
consecration.
And here's where it comes to the

2590
02:37:16,400 --> 02:37:20,600
church because especially in the
context of something like a

2591
02:37:20,600 --> 02:37:24,400
united Order, we're we're trying
to provide inheritances for

2592
02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:27,080
everybody that's going to
require donations.

2593
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:33,440
And I see the church can be a
fantastic medium or a vehicle

2594
02:37:33,440 --> 02:37:35,680
for the law of consecration
because this is a place where we

2595
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:40,640
can come to as a community.
And if you have a need, you can

2596
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:45,040
express that to your church.
And you maybe would go to your

2597
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:46,640
Bishop.
Maybe you'll some, for example,

2598
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:52,800
maybe you want a piano and for
your family and maybe you can't

2599
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:54,320
afford one, but it's really
important.

2600
02:37:54,320 --> 02:37:56,800
I mean, I, I bring that I always
wanted a piano as a kid and I

2601
02:37:57,040 --> 02:37:58,400
never learned.
We never could afford 1.

2602
02:37:59,960 --> 02:38:01,520
The keyboards were expensive
back then.

2603
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:05,680
And so I didn't really have that
opportunity, right.

2604
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:08,160
But maybe my parents really want
that opportunity for me and they

2605
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:10,680
feel like that's something that
is important.

2606
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:13,560
Well, they could maybe go to the
Bishop and the Bishop could then

2607
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:17,600
say, OK, noted.
And then the Bishop might

2608
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:19,960
announce it in sacrament, say,
Hey, we've got, we've got a

2609
02:38:19,960 --> 02:38:25,120
family here that is would like a
is in need of and would like a

2610
02:38:25,160 --> 02:38:27,960
piano to bless their family, to
bless their children with.

2611
02:38:28,920 --> 02:38:31,960
If anybody would be able to
assist in that in some way, you

2612
02:38:31,960 --> 02:38:35,680
know, come talk to me after
church and then somebody, maybe

2613
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:37,200
I've got an extra piano I don't
need.

2614
02:38:37,320 --> 02:38:40,400
And I, I, I had it for a while.
I used it for a while and it's

2615
02:38:40,400 --> 02:38:42,840
outgrown its purpose for me.
And I, I want to donate it.

2616
02:38:43,240 --> 02:38:45,840
Or maybe I've got some money.
And now here's an opportunity to

2617
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:48,000
concentrate that money to, to
something.

2618
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:51,800
Or maybe you feel inspired not
to, or maybe you feel inspired

2619
02:38:51,800 --> 02:38:54,160
to say, hey, I've got a piano
and I don't feel like I'm

2620
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:57,400
supposed to give this away, but
I prayed about it and I want to

2621
02:38:57,400 --> 02:39:01,080
invite that person to come over,
their children to come over and

2622
02:39:01,080 --> 02:39:02,400
I'll and I'll teach them even
too.

2623
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:04,960
And we'll have access to a piano
and I'll teach them as well.

2624
02:39:05,960 --> 02:39:08,360
These are all ways of
implementing law of

2625
02:39:08,360 --> 02:39:10,320
consecration.
But the point I want to get to

2626
02:39:10,320 --> 02:39:13,680
is I believe that this law of
consecration is applicable in

2627
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:15,880
the here and now.
This isn't something you need to

2628
02:39:15,880 --> 02:39:17,960
wait for your church to organize
something with.

2629
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:22,600
You can start living this today
and it's just like with the with

2630
02:39:22,600 --> 02:39:24,440
the other laws, like the law of
the gospel.

2631
02:39:24,680 --> 02:39:27,400
It's also not something you just
attain to all at once.

2632
02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:30,000
You're going to make mistakes in
this process as well.

2633
02:39:30,320 --> 02:39:34,360
It's a growing process.
You know, I, I liked when David

2634
02:39:34,360 --> 02:39:37,680
was on here because he did do a
great job of illustrating that

2635
02:39:38,600 --> 02:39:42,480
there wasn't just one model to
this United Order thing, right?

2636
02:39:42,840 --> 02:39:47,160
They were trying a ton of
different things to see what hit

2637
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:51,120
and as, as I've heard different
takes on it.

2638
02:39:51,320 --> 02:39:56,200
I, I've kind of got to a point
to where I'm like, I'm not sure

2639
02:39:56,200 --> 02:39:59,440
it's either or sometimes I think
it's Ant right.

2640
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:04,320
And I, I, I think when, when it
does come back, I and, and you

2641
02:40:04,320 --> 02:40:07,040
know, we try it here in
mortality again, whenever that

2642
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:12,040
is, I expect to see different
models and I expect to be like

2643
02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:14,120
borrowing from all of them,
right?

2644
02:40:14,120 --> 02:40:16,440
Like, OK, that's working, but
that's not.

2645
02:40:17,320 --> 02:40:19,920
To get to somewhere where it's
supposed to, because there's

2646
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:25,400
really not a lot of of
revelation on how to do it

2647
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:27,720
right.
There's a ton on the principle

2648
02:40:27,720 --> 02:40:33,800
of it, but not a great
explanation on go to step one,

2649
02:40:33,800 --> 02:40:37,800
go to Step 2, go to Step 3.
So I think I, I look, I think

2650
02:40:37,800 --> 02:40:39,760
there's a lot of different ways
to get there.

2651
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:42,800
Yeah, yeah.
And you don't have to agree with

2652
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:46,160
mine, but this is a model that
is applicable in the here and

2653
02:40:46,160 --> 02:40:47,600
now.
And I believe that's actually

2654
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:50,640
really important that you have a
way of living this law in the

2655
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:54,880
here and now because ultimately
the law of consecration is going

2656
02:40:54,880 --> 02:40:57,080
to teach you how to be a a
proper steward.

2657
02:40:57,800 --> 02:41:00,760
And the proper steward goes to
the master.

2658
02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:02,640
They don't make decisions on
their own.

2659
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:07,080
They they they refer, they defer
to the master, to the owner.

2660
02:41:08,400 --> 02:41:11,680
Right.
No, I, I, I agree with you that

2661
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:15,200
we shouldn't just because
there's no formal organization

2662
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:18,000
that that can start meeting this
out.

2663
02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:22,280
We should be getting used to
consecrating things right now,

2664
02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:25,160
right?
And at least start getting

2665
02:41:25,160 --> 02:41:28,360
comfortable with adopting the
mindset of, look, everything I'm

2666
02:41:28,360 --> 02:41:30,720
blessed with is a stewardship.
It's not mine.

2667
02:41:31,400 --> 02:41:36,440
I'm just a caretaker for this
season and we'll see what

2668
02:41:36,440 --> 02:41:40,760
happens later down the road.
Yeah, and that teaches you how

2669
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:42,240
to be a steward of your
priesthood.

2670
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:46,040
Yeah, Yep.
And it's and it's being a

2671
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:49,080
steward of the priesthood that
leads to the sealing power.

2672
02:41:49,400 --> 02:41:51,320
That's what Nephi that we just
read.

2673
02:41:51,320 --> 02:41:54,000
That's what he figured out.
That's what he got down solid.

2674
02:41:54,640 --> 02:41:56,680
Right.
The Lord says, I know that you

2675
02:41:56,680 --> 02:41:58,840
will not ask him this.
Yep.

2676
02:41:59,920 --> 02:42:02,600
You would never exercise this to
do something that wouldn't be in

2677
02:42:02,600 --> 02:42:06,600
alignment with with with me.
And what do we see immediately

2678
02:42:06,600 --> 02:42:08,640
afterwards?
Nephi exercises that priesthood

2679
02:42:08,640 --> 02:42:12,720
by praying to God and pleading
his case and saying, hey, you

2680
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:14,200
know, we've got this war going
on.

2681
02:42:14,200 --> 02:42:16,800
And I think a famine would bring
repentance better.

2682
02:42:17,320 --> 02:42:20,520
And here's my reasons why.
And you've given me this power

2683
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:23,680
to end this war and create a
famine instead.

2684
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:28,720
Is that your will?
And the Lord said, I agree, that

2685
02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:30,320
is my will.
And then Nephi does it.

2686
02:42:30,920 --> 02:42:33,160
Yep.
So if we want to have sealing

2687
02:42:33,160 --> 02:42:35,800
power, we've got to realize it
is not our priesthood.

2688
02:42:35,800 --> 02:42:38,800
We are stewards of this
priesthood and the Law of

2689
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:42,640
Consecration is our school
teacher to teach us and develop

2690
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:46,120
our exercise of the priesthood,
the inward ordinance.

2691
02:42:46,520 --> 02:42:49,680
Right, right.
Well, and I think it goes to

2692
02:42:49,680 --> 02:42:55,520
show that again, this idea of
you have arrived, you know, I

2693
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:58,880
think that there there are
certain milestones re reach, but

2694
02:42:58,880 --> 02:43:02,440
we even see Nephi still doing
check insurance with the Lord,

2695
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,560
right?
Is this your will?

2696
02:43:04,880 --> 02:43:08,520
Should I be doing this right?
Always checking back with the

2697
02:43:08,520 --> 02:43:12,120
father?
Yeah, well, and I think that's

2698
02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:14,760
what the Lord means when like I
know you won't, you won't use,

2699
02:43:14,840 --> 02:43:17,280
you won't abuse this power
because I know you will ask.

2700
02:43:17,960 --> 02:43:20,000
Right, right.
Absolutely.

2701
02:43:20,480 --> 02:43:22,280
And that's kind of what it
really kind of comes down to,

2702
02:43:22,320 --> 02:43:25,760
right?
And so here's another one.

2703
02:43:25,880 --> 02:43:29,120
I believe that receiving the
ceiling power is one of these

2704
02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:32,280
mysteries, one of these keys to
be able to pass through the veil

2705
02:43:32,520 --> 02:43:36,840
so that we can get by the that
we can know this process and

2706
02:43:36,840 --> 02:43:44,360
procedure, we can pass the test.
So this next one here is the

2707
02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:47,240
Holy Spirit of promise, which
I'm tying to our ceilings.

2708
02:43:49,240 --> 02:43:54,520
And honestly, I don't have a
whole lot to say on this because

2709
02:43:54,520 --> 02:43:57,000
I I don't know if I could do
much better justice to what

2710
02:43:57,000 --> 02:44:00,920
Isaac already said in the in the
previous episode of this

2711
02:44:00,920 --> 02:44:04,440
podcast.
So I will defer everybody to go

2712
02:44:04,440 --> 02:44:11,080
re listen to that episode.
Basically, it's and if you

2713
02:44:11,080 --> 02:44:12,640
missed it, go back and listen to
it.

2714
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:14,120
But I'm going to give you the
premise here.

2715
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:19,640
When you buy a car and you find
you, you finance it, generally

2716
02:44:19,640 --> 02:44:23,400
speaking, and you own it, but
you still have an obligation to

2717
02:44:23,400 --> 02:44:24,960
the person you purchased it
from.

2718
02:44:24,960 --> 02:44:26,600
You don't own it until it's paid
off.

2719
02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:31,840
Right.
And yeah, that is how we need to

2720
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:34,600
understand our marriage ceiling.
It's not guaranteed.

2721
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:37,240
Just because we were sealed in
the temple does not mean that we

2722
02:44:37,240 --> 02:44:41,400
will have this eternal marriage.
It means we have the opportunity

2723
02:44:41,400 --> 02:44:43,560
to have an eternal marriage.
Right.

2724
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:48,240
And now you got to do the work
and you have to build that

2725
02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:50,800
relationship.
You have to be worthy of that

2726
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:53,720
relationship.
And as men, we need to be able

2727
02:44:53,720 --> 02:44:59,240
to instill trust in our women so
that they are, are, are willing

2728
02:44:59,240 --> 02:45:03,040
to obey us and, and have
confidence and, and, and under

2729
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:06,400
and, and know that that if we
that, that we're going to lead

2730
02:45:06,400 --> 02:45:09,560
them properly and that that
falls on us to earn that trust,

2731
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:11,400
right?
Absolutely.

2732
02:45:12,320 --> 02:45:19,960
And, and, and so anyways, I
think that there is the in DNC.

2733
02:45:19,960 --> 02:45:25,400
Let me just go to it real quick.
In Section 132, it tells us, it

2734
02:45:25,400 --> 02:45:32,560
pretty much tells us this.
It says, and again so Section

2735
02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:35,080
132, verse 18.
And again verily I say unto you,

2736
02:45:35,080 --> 02:45:37,880
If a man marry a wife, and make
a covenant with her for time and

2737
02:45:37,880 --> 02:45:41,200
for all eternity, if that
covenant is not by me or by my

2738
02:45:41,200 --> 02:45:45,800
word, which is my law, and is
not sealed by the Holy Spirit of

2739
02:45:45,800 --> 02:45:50,560
promise through him whom I have
appointed unto this power, then

2740
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:53,240
it does not valid neither
enforce when they are out of

2741
02:45:53,240 --> 02:45:56,840
this world, because they are not
joined by me, saith the Lord,

2742
02:45:56,840 --> 02:46:00,360
neither by my word.
When they are out of out of the

2743
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:02,800
world, it cannot be received
there, because the angels and

2744
02:46:02,800 --> 02:46:05,840
the gods are appointed there, by
whom they cannot pass.

2745
02:46:05,880 --> 02:46:09,960
They cannot therefore inherit my
glory and my house is a House of

2746
02:46:09,960 --> 02:46:14,520
order, saith the Lord God.
So it's flat out says right

2747
02:46:14,520 --> 02:46:18,680
here, this is something that's
required to pass through the

2748
02:46:18,680 --> 02:46:24,200
angels that, that, that that are
appointed there.

2749
02:46:27,240 --> 02:46:29,960
You want to, you want to
actually pass through that veil.

2750
02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:33,840
You need to receive this Holy
Spirit of promise.

2751
02:46:34,760 --> 02:46:38,600
Yeah.
And you know, that's, that

2752
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:41,680
begins when you when you are
sealed to your spouse in in the

2753
02:46:41,680 --> 02:46:44,360
temple, but it it's not
completed.

2754
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:47,280
In fact, it's not even complete.
This is something, and this is

2755
02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:50,560
true of all of these, actually,
I believe, but I believe that

2756
02:46:51,360 --> 02:46:53,920
that at this point, none of
these are fully attainable.

2757
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:57,320
You can move along in the
process a long ways, right?

2758
02:46:57,320 --> 02:47:01,000
But they're not fully attainable
until you've received a second

2759
02:47:01,000 --> 02:47:04,040
anointing, right?
Because there is a part of the

2760
02:47:04,040 --> 02:47:08,120
second anointing where where a
wife commits herself to her

2761
02:47:08,120 --> 02:47:14,280
husband in a way that clearly if
that hasn't happened yet, then

2762
02:47:14,440 --> 02:47:16,440
you're not bound together for
eternity yet.

2763
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:19,440
Right.
There's a prerequisite there.

2764
02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:24,480
And so again, it just goes to
show that all the way through

2765
02:47:24,480 --> 02:47:26,800
these outward ordinances, all of
them, including the second

2766
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:28,920
anointing, are just here to show
us.

2767
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:35,480
And we've got to find these
internal, the inward ordinances

2768
02:47:36,160 --> 02:47:38,120
and receive them.
And so the Holy Spirit of

2769
02:47:38,120 --> 02:47:40,080
promise, that's one of them.
And it's something that we can

2770
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:42,920
also all work on, you know, our,
our marriage relationship.

2771
02:47:42,920 --> 02:47:44,400
And it's something that's going
to take time.

2772
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:47,040
And just with that real quick
too.

2773
02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:50,080
I would also add to this that I
also believe the key part of

2774
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:53,200
this is, is defining, again,
defining the family.

2775
02:47:53,200 --> 02:47:56,760
If we turn that menorah upside
down, we've got a compass with

2776
02:47:56,760 --> 02:47:59,000
multiple layers and what's
supposed to be inside, what's

2777
02:47:59,000 --> 02:48:01,480
supposed to be outside.
And so part of obeying the law

2778
02:48:01,480 --> 02:48:06,400
of chastity might involve a
family bringing in another wife

2779
02:48:06,520 --> 02:48:08,400
that's supposed to be there.
Right.

2780
02:48:10,200 --> 02:48:13,280
So it's not just don't go around
committing adultery or

2781
02:48:13,280 --> 02:48:14,840
fornicating.
I think it it, there's a,

2782
02:48:14,920 --> 02:48:17,920
there's another layer to that as
well as having the right people

2783
02:48:18,320 --> 02:48:21,560
where they're supposed to be.
And and that's a process that's

2784
02:48:21,560 --> 02:48:23,920
going to take time, too.
Absolutely.

2785
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:25,880
You don't end up with, you
don't.

2786
02:48:25,880 --> 02:48:28,360
You don't get married and the
day after your hunting when

2787
02:48:28,360 --> 02:48:30,160
you've got a perfect marriage
for the rest of your life.

2788
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:35,200
No, no, no.
That first five years is boot

2789
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:41,240
camp, Yeah.
So yeah, there's a lot to learn,

2790
02:48:41,240 --> 02:48:45,160
and I'm still learning too.
I mean, I've just a lot to learn

2791
02:48:45,160 --> 02:48:47,000
for a long time.
For a while I thought, yeah, I

2792
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:49,840
think I've got this figured out.
And then, you know, God reveals

2793
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:52,080
something to you.
And if you're humble enough to

2794
02:48:52,080 --> 02:48:54,280
take it, you realize how I've
got a long ways to go.

2795
02:48:54,360 --> 02:48:56,040
But.
You know.

2796
02:48:56,160 --> 02:48:58,200
It's worth the work.
It's worth the work.

2797
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:01,880
I've noticed the pattern and
that is the closer I grow to the

2798
02:49:01,880 --> 02:49:05,880
savior, the more is light
illuminates my flaws, right?

2799
02:49:06,760 --> 02:49:09,760
I'll be like, oh, I'm I'm
getting closer and then I'm

2800
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:12,520
like, oh, and now there's this I
need to work on.

2801
02:49:12,520 --> 02:49:19,440
I'm not done yet.
Right, so with that, I've got

2802
02:49:19,440 --> 02:49:22,840
one more thing to look at.
And it's funny because the last,

2803
02:49:23,240 --> 02:49:27,520
the last shall become first
virtually can last as you look

2804
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:29,720
at the law of obedience and
sacrifice.

2805
02:49:29,720 --> 02:49:35,160
And is there a, is there an, an
inward ordinance here to keeping

2806
02:49:35,160 --> 02:49:43,240
our first estate?
And this is what I would say is

2807
02:49:43,240 --> 02:49:47,000
the, the culmination of these
things you have.

2808
02:49:49,320 --> 02:49:54,400
So let me I'm going to turn the
lectures on faith for this one.

2809
02:49:54,960 --> 02:49:59,600
OK.
It's Canon in my book, even

2810
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:01,120
though it's not on my scripture
apps.

2811
02:50:01,640 --> 02:50:07,120
So I'm going to be reading here
from lecture 6 and we're going

2812
02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:11,880
to really look at this law of
obedience and sacrifice in this

2813
02:50:11,880 --> 02:50:16,040
context.
OK, so and I'm going to jump

2814
02:50:16,040 --> 02:50:17,520
around a little bit, but I just
want to talk.

2815
02:50:17,520 --> 02:50:20,400
So we're talking about this
concept of sacrifice and the

2816
02:50:20,400 --> 02:50:29,480
need for for knowledge.
And in verse 5 here it says for

2817
02:50:29,480 --> 02:50:32,720
a man to lay down his all, his
character and reputation, his

2818
02:50:32,720 --> 02:50:35,920
honor and applause, his good
name among men, his houses, his

2819
02:50:35,920 --> 02:50:40,080
lands, his brothers and sisters,
his wife and children, and even

2820
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:44,600
his own life also counting all
things about filth and dross.

2821
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:47,040
For the Excellency of the
knowledge of Jesus Christ

2822
02:50:47,440 --> 02:50:51,320
requires more than mere belief
or supposition that he is doing

2823
02:50:51,320 --> 02:50:53,800
the will of God, but actual
knowledge.

2824
02:50:55,160 --> 02:51:00,320
So why can't we just receive our
second estate?

2825
02:51:00,320 --> 02:51:02,360
Back then we we obeyed the law
of obedience.

2826
02:51:02,360 --> 02:51:05,640
We obeyed the law of sacrifice.
We chose God at his plan.

2827
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:09,040
Why did we have to come to
mortality?

2828
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:16,480
I would say it's, look, I'll
give you my explanation and I'll

2829
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:20,560
let you you know then, then you
can tell me where you agree or

2830
02:51:20,560 --> 02:51:24,120
disagree.
I think at some level we have to

2831
02:51:24,120 --> 02:51:28,120
understand that this whole
existence that we're going

2832
02:51:28,120 --> 02:51:30,920
through right now is for one
reason and one reason only.

2833
02:51:32,400 --> 02:51:35,680
And I think that's, well, I
shouldn't say one reason, but

2834
02:51:35,720 --> 02:51:39,240
the, the main reason I think is
to find out what we're going to

2835
02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:41,680
do when we're not in the
presence of God.

2836
02:51:42,400 --> 02:51:46,880
Because if we're going to
inherit all that he has, there's

2837
02:51:46,920 --> 02:51:50,120
got to be some sort of vetting
process on that, right?

2838
02:51:51,240 --> 02:51:55,200
Or else a bunch of unqualified
people would make a mess of the

2839
02:51:55,200 --> 02:51:59,840
eternities, right?
I want to be clear, you know, I,

2840
02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:01,880
I'm not a finished product yet,
right?

2841
02:52:02,920 --> 02:52:05,920
If, if I was granted that right
now, I'm not sure I wouldn't

2842
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:10,320
make a mess of things.
And so there needs to be a time

2843
02:52:10,320 --> 02:52:12,960
of testing to find out where the
heart is.

2844
02:52:13,640 --> 02:52:15,480
It's my thought.
Right.

2845
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:17,440
No, that's exactly where I was
going with it.

2846
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:22,000
That's exactly it, I think.
And so we need to try these

2847
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:24,080
things.
And here we are, blank slate,

2848
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:27,760
separated from God.
Are we going to get back there?

2849
02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:31,480
It's the journey.
The journey is the point, the

2850
02:52:31,480 --> 02:52:37,120
journey is the process that that
transforms us from our our

2851
02:52:37,640 --> 02:52:44,840
fallen state with the potential
to attain to divinity and kind

2852
02:52:44,840 --> 02:52:47,880
of towering over all these laws
present in all of them.

2853
02:52:48,320 --> 02:52:53,040
We've got obedience and
sacrifice and here we have on

2854
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:56,480
the lecture of the faith.
We are to understand for a man

2855
02:52:56,480 --> 02:52:59,840
to lay down his all, to be able
to live the law of sacrifice, in

2856
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:01,240
other words.
Right.

2857
02:53:01,520 --> 02:53:04,280
To really be able to live the
law of sacrifice, if you want to

2858
02:53:04,280 --> 02:53:08,600
live the law of sacrifice, to be
able to lay down his character,

2859
02:53:08,600 --> 02:53:11,680
reputation, honor, applause, in
order to do that requires more

2860
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:14,240
than belief or supposition that
he is doing the will of God, but

2861
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:18,520
actual knowledge.
So in order to fulfill the law

2862
02:53:18,520 --> 02:53:23,760
of obedience to sacrifice, we
need to have actual knowledge of

2863
02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:27,760
God.
It can't just be faith, and

2864
02:53:27,760 --> 02:53:30,760
that's what everything else here
is leading us to.

2865
02:53:31,240 --> 02:53:34,800
Everything else we've looked at
in this journey is to bring us

2866
02:53:35,640 --> 02:53:38,760
to get us to that point where
we're prepared to receive that

2867
02:53:38,760 --> 02:53:43,480
actual knowledge so we can fully
obey the law of obedience and

2868
02:53:43,480 --> 02:53:48,320
sacrifice.
So and then I'm going to jump

2869
02:53:48,320 --> 02:53:51,400
ahead here in verse 7.
It says, Let us here observe,

2870
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:55,520
that a religion that does not
require the sacrifice of all

2871
02:53:55,520 --> 02:53:59,200
things, never has power
sufficient to produce the faith

2872
02:53:59,200 --> 02:54:02,040
necessary unto life and
salvation.

2873
02:54:03,160 --> 02:54:06,640
For from the first existence of
man, the faith necessary unto

2874
02:54:06,640 --> 02:54:08,840
the enjoyment of life and
salvation, never could be

2875
02:54:09,080 --> 02:54:12,680
obtained without the sacrifice
of all earthly things.

2876
02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:17,320
It was true, the sacrifice and
this only, that God has ordained

2877
02:54:17,320 --> 02:54:19,600
that men should enjoy eternal
life.

2878
02:54:20,520 --> 02:54:22,880
Right.
This is it.

2879
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:27,040
We've got to obey it, but to
obey it, we've got to have that.

2880
02:54:28,680 --> 02:54:32,720
We got to develop that faith.
And to develop that faith we got

2881
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:35,840
to go through all this stuff,
this mortality, this mortal

2882
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:38,840
probation.
But that's all a journey to

2883
02:54:38,840 --> 02:54:41,800
bring us back there so we can
get to that point where we can

2884
02:54:41,800 --> 02:54:47,960
make a final sacrifice.
And So what I believe the kind

2885
02:54:47,960 --> 02:54:53,600
of internal blessing here, or
the the, the mystery of the law

2886
02:54:53,600 --> 02:54:57,080
of obedience, the law of
sacrifice is it goes by many

2887
02:54:57,080 --> 02:55:00,520
names.
We call it exaltation.

2888
02:55:02,360 --> 02:55:04,360
The early church called it
theophany.

2889
02:55:05,880 --> 02:55:10,200
The cabalists call it the
alchemists call it the

2890
02:55:10,200 --> 02:55:14,760
philosopher's stone, the
transmute LED into gold.

2891
02:55:14,760 --> 02:55:17,400
In other words, transmute a
fallen man into a God.

2892
02:55:18,880 --> 02:55:24,480
The Greeks called it apotheosis.
The Hindus call this kundalini.

2893
02:55:24,680 --> 02:55:28,080
The Buddhists call this Nirvana.
Right.

2894
02:55:28,520 --> 02:55:34,000
And they all, regardless of how
correct their understanding of

2895
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:37,680
it is, we can see that.
This is what I was alluding to.

2896
02:55:37,680 --> 02:55:39,040
We're back at the beginning
again.

2897
02:55:39,560 --> 02:55:45,080
Every culture, every ritual,
observing culture, religion has

2898
02:55:45,080 --> 02:55:49,200
this understanding that the
point why are we doing all this?

2899
02:55:50,200 --> 02:55:52,560
We're doing all this so we can
have an experience with the

2900
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:56,440
divine.
You know, and really, when you

2901
02:55:56,440 --> 02:56:01,600
boil down the message of Joseph
Smith, I firmly believe that

2902
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:06,560
that the message is, is this.
I've had my counter with the

2903
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:11,440
divine and I want to show you
how you can too, right?

2904
02:56:11,440 --> 02:56:14,480
I think that's exactly what
Joseph was trying to do.

2905
02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:20,960
And these ordinances are there
to when there's power in them,

2906
02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:24,120
right?
How they all work on the other

2907
02:56:24,120 --> 02:56:25,480
side of the veil.
I couldn't tell you.

2908
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:27,920
I, I haven't received all that
yet.

2909
02:56:28,400 --> 02:56:30,960
But we do know they're, they're
effectual, right?

2910
02:56:30,960 --> 02:56:35,600
They're, they're effectual to us
here and, and they're effectual

2911
02:56:35,840 --> 02:56:39,160
to those on the other side.
We only have to look at the life

2912
02:56:39,160 --> 02:56:41,720
of Abraham, right?
All the covenants that we

2913
02:56:41,720 --> 02:56:45,600
entered into in the temple are,
are the same covenants Abraham

2914
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:48,920
entered into.
What was the effect on his life?

2915
02:56:50,720 --> 02:56:53,120
His life had an impact on
everybody else.

2916
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:59,160
I think that likewise the the
service that we render here, it,

2917
02:56:59,640 --> 02:57:03,160
it's effectual not just to us,
but to those that we serve.

2918
02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:07,000
There's a great line out of the
movie Gladiator where he says

2919
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:09,040
what we do here echoes in
eternity.

2920
02:57:09,920 --> 02:57:12,920
I, I, I would take only one
exception with that.

2921
02:57:12,920 --> 02:57:14,240
And that is, I don't think it
echoes.

2922
02:57:14,240 --> 02:57:16,880
I think it screams, I think it's
loud.

2923
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:21,160
I think it's, it's there.
And, and I think that's what

2924
02:57:21,440 --> 02:57:23,920
these things can do for us here,
right?

2925
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:29,520
Part of what they can do here is
help us to encounter the divine.

2926
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:33,200
And quite frankly, I'm not
interested in a religion where

2927
02:57:33,200 --> 02:57:39,000
that isn't an option, right?
I've I've got too many other

2928
02:57:39,000 --> 02:57:42,960
things to do if there's not a
hope of that at some point.

2929
02:57:45,360 --> 02:57:48,000
Yeah, exactly.
And it's that hope.

2930
02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:52,080
And it's fascinating because,
you know, we started off here in

2931
02:57:52,080 --> 02:57:56,360
the garden and we journeyed out
and the very end, at the very

2932
02:57:56,360 --> 02:58:00,600
end of this, here we are back in
the garden again, right.

2933
02:58:01,280 --> 02:58:09,040
And what's fascinating is the
garden is also symbolic of the

2934
02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:12,800
Holy of Holies.
The garden was a pre fallen

2935
02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:16,880
state.
It was already in an exalted

2936
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:20,840
sphere and it it fell.
We're trying to get back to

2937
02:58:20,840 --> 02:58:22,640
that.
And we get back to that by

2938
02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:25,760
moving going forward, but we
also get back to that by going

2939
02:58:25,760 --> 02:58:27,360
backwards.
And as Adam and Eve were

2940
02:58:27,360 --> 02:58:31,280
expelled right as we read at
Cherubim, and a flaming sword

2941
02:58:32,440 --> 02:58:37,280
were placed to guard the way to
the tree of life, lest Adam and

2942
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:40,200
Eve partake and live forever in
their sins.

2943
02:58:40,840 --> 02:58:44,600
So we have cherubim like on the
Ark of the Covenant over there

2944
02:58:44,600 --> 02:58:49,200
in the Holy of Holies, and we
have a guarding of the way.

2945
02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:51,360
We have a veil that saying, hey,
it's OK.

2946
02:58:51,560 --> 02:58:54,360
It's important to go through
these, these outward ordinances

2947
02:58:54,400 --> 02:58:56,080
that are necessary for
salvation.

2948
02:58:56,440 --> 02:58:58,800
But before we let you in here,
we need to make sure they're

2949
02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:00,840
really written on your soul.
Right.

2950
02:59:02,120 --> 02:59:04,520
We got to make, there's a
vetting process there, but

2951
02:59:04,520 --> 02:59:05,840
that's what we're trying to get
back to.

2952
02:59:05,840 --> 02:59:08,640
We're trying to get into the
Holy of Holies, which in a sense

2953
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:11,920
is a return to the garden.
And there's evidence that at

2954
02:59:11,920 --> 02:59:15,240
some point, and I believe that
at least the temple of, of Herod

2955
02:59:15,240 --> 02:59:18,680
that they had a tree in there,
which I believe would be the

2956
02:59:18,680 --> 02:59:23,120
symbolic of the tree of life.
And so we're kind of going back

2957
02:59:23,120 --> 02:59:27,480
by going even the way this
diagram's kind of laid out, even

2958
02:59:27,480 --> 02:59:29,000
though we're starting in the
garden, the garden's on the

2959
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:30,480
right.
Adam and Eve were cast out of

2960
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:32,280
east.
They were cast out eastward of

2961
02:59:32,280 --> 02:59:35,640
Eden.
And so our journey to return is

2962
02:59:35,640 --> 02:59:39,280
to the West.
And that's why the temple faces

2963
02:59:39,280 --> 02:59:42,960
east, so we can enter in and,
and go through this whole

2964
02:59:42,960 --> 02:59:44,200
process.
And that's why the whole

2965
02:59:44,440 --> 02:59:46,400
diagrams backwards.
If you're used to reading left

2966
02:59:46,400 --> 02:59:50,160
to right, I apologize, but I
mapped it according to the

2967
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:53,800
tradition because that is,
that's the Hebrew tradition.

2968
02:59:53,800 --> 02:59:57,160
You read right to left, but also
you we're going, we want to go

2969
02:59:57,160 --> 03:00:00,400
West to get back into the into
the presence of God.

2970
03:00:00,920 --> 03:00:04,040
Yep, absolutely.
And so, finally, with all those

2971
03:00:04,040 --> 03:00:08,640
things fulfilled, we can be
crowned with the glory and

2972
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:14,320
receive eternal lives.
Dude so.

2973
03:00:14,560 --> 03:00:16,560
This is my map.
Here's the whole thing.

2974
03:00:19,240 --> 03:00:24,240
I guess it's missing a few
things, but just as an overview

2975
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:27,280
again, real quick, this is a
map, right?

2976
03:00:27,320 --> 03:00:29,000
You're starting over here in the
garden.

2977
03:00:29,000 --> 03:00:31,400
You're moving the celestial,
you're moving the terrestrial,

2978
03:00:31,400 --> 03:00:34,320
you're having, you're learning
about the celestial, and then

2979
03:00:34,320 --> 03:00:37,840
you're going back and you're
developing these things and then

2980
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:39,680
mastering them, having
experienced them.

2981
03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:41,360
And when you get them far
enough, you pass through the

2982
03:00:41,360 --> 03:00:43,400
veil.
And no matter where you are in

2983
03:00:43,400 --> 03:00:47,160
your life what there's things
here that are not checked yet.

2984
03:00:47,720 --> 03:00:49,560
Right.
Guarantee it.

2985
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:55,040
You're never done, right?
And that's it.

2986
03:00:55,040 --> 03:00:56,960
That's, that's a good thing,
right?

2987
03:00:56,960 --> 03:01:01,360
And I feel like this is a good
place to say this.

2988
03:01:02,080 --> 03:01:06,040
We, we absolutely should be
aiming for the end goal.

2989
03:01:06,040 --> 03:01:08,960
We should have that goal firmly
in our sights.

2990
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:14,200
But we should never forget that
this is a process, right?

2991
03:01:14,200 --> 03:01:19,280
And there's no use in just
running through the process,

2992
03:01:19,480 --> 03:01:23,280
right?
The process is what's going to

2993
03:01:23,280 --> 03:01:26,000
get you ready for those
blessings.

2994
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,120
So hey.
Enjoy the journey.

2995
03:01:30,400 --> 03:01:32,800
Yeah, enjoy it, right?
That look.

2996
03:01:33,720 --> 03:01:38,160
The older I get, the more I
begin to realize things, right?

2997
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:41,920
Like my kids are grown and gone
now, right?

2998
03:01:42,400 --> 03:01:48,680
And I look now at the younger
couple in church who's got three

2999
03:01:48,680 --> 03:01:51,640
screaming babies and they're
trying to do the best they can.

3000
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:55,800
And I know what that dad is
thinking, Justin, that dad is

3001
03:01:55,800 --> 03:01:59,960
thinking, oh, man, my kids, my
kids annoying everybody else

3002
03:01:59,960 --> 03:02:02,560
right now, right?
But that's not true.

3003
03:02:02,840 --> 03:02:06,480
That's that's not true.
I love hearing that right.

3004
03:02:07,280 --> 03:02:15,160
And so again, don't be too,
don't hyper fixate, right?

3005
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:20,680
Enjoy the ride, work hard, play
hard, but enjoy the process

3006
03:02:21,000 --> 03:02:25,640
because the process has a lot of
blessings attached to it as

3007
03:02:25,640 --> 03:02:27,960
well.
And there will be times that you

3008
03:02:27,960 --> 03:02:32,640
will look back as you get older
and realize maybe I didn't enjoy

3009
03:02:32,640 --> 03:02:34,240
that quite as much as what I
should have.

3010
03:02:37,680 --> 03:02:39,040
Yeah.
So.

3011
03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:42,240
Absolutely.
Well, dude, that good, good

3012
03:02:42,240 --> 03:02:44,200
stuff.
The only thing I'd add to that

3013
03:02:44,200 --> 03:02:49,080
real quick is also if you're
feeling stuck, if you're feeling

3014
03:02:49,080 --> 03:02:51,320
stuck and you're like, I don't
know what to do now.

3015
03:02:52,000 --> 03:02:55,160
I think I've gone through that,
you know, as far as you know,

3016
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:58,720
what the church taught me.
Maybe I've I've hit these check

3017
03:02:58,720 --> 03:03:00,880
boxes and I know I'm not there.
We're what?

3018
03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:03,640
What lack I get right?
Right.

3019
03:03:04,440 --> 03:03:09,000
I'm hoping this can also provide
this map so you can say, oh, I

3020
03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:12,080
can look at that and say, OK,
here's where I am at now I know

3021
03:03:12,080 --> 03:03:13,640
and here's where I need yet to
go.

3022
03:03:14,360 --> 03:03:18,400
Now, you know, and you have you
have a vision to work from.

3023
03:03:18,400 --> 03:03:22,000
I mean, going back to lectures
on faith, you have to have a

3024
03:03:22,080 --> 03:03:26,040
this belief that your will is in
accordance with that your life.

3025
03:03:26,040 --> 03:03:27,920
You're living your life in
accordance with God's will in

3026
03:03:27,920 --> 03:03:30,080
order to exercise faith as well,
right?

3027
03:03:30,640 --> 03:03:34,960
Right.
And so here's how you, so I feel

3028
03:03:34,960 --> 03:03:36,480
like I, I don't know if I'm
there yet.

3029
03:03:36,920 --> 03:03:38,840
This is what this is, this is
the teachings.

3030
03:03:38,840 --> 03:03:41,920
And again, the way I've
organized this, maybe it's

3031
03:03:41,920 --> 03:03:44,440
meaningless, maybe it doesn't
really matter.

3032
03:03:45,000 --> 03:03:48,520
However, the individual points
I, I pulled straight from the

3033
03:03:48,520 --> 03:03:51,680
scriptures, these are, these are
doctrinal concepts.

3034
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:55,200
These are things that we that
have been asked of us.

3035
03:03:55,200 --> 03:03:56,920
These are things that have been
taught to us.

3036
03:03:57,520 --> 03:04:00,280
And these are things that we
can, that we can accomplish.

3037
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:02,400
And if the diagram doesn't work
for you, that's fine.

3038
03:04:03,080 --> 03:04:05,960
But regardless, I'm hoping at
least you can take away an

3039
03:04:05,960 --> 03:04:10,440
understanding of, of where to go
next, what you can work on next

3040
03:04:10,440 --> 03:04:12,840
and how to move forward as well
if you're if you're feeling

3041
03:04:12,840 --> 03:04:15,120
stuck, because I know I felt
stuck many times in my life

3042
03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:18,120
where I'm like, now what?
Yeah, yeah.

3043
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:20,440
And and look.
And that can be frustrating too.

3044
03:04:20,440 --> 03:04:23,240
That can be just as frustrating
as over fixating on on something

3045
03:04:23,240 --> 03:04:25,880
you haven't gotten through is
just not knowing what to fixate

3046
03:04:25,880 --> 03:04:28,320
on.
Well, look, and, and I believe

3047
03:04:28,320 --> 03:04:30,960
that feeling is there for a
reason, right?

3048
03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:32,720
And that reason is to motivate
you.

3049
03:04:33,160 --> 03:04:35,920
If you're feeling stuck, it's
because there's something you

3050
03:04:35,920 --> 03:04:39,560
haven't quite internalized yet.
And look, we all go through it.

3051
03:04:39,800 --> 03:04:42,080
I go through it still.
I know you go through it still,

3052
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:43,560
Justin.
We all still go through it,

3053
03:04:43,600 --> 03:04:45,360
right?
It's part of the trial of

3054
03:04:45,360 --> 03:04:49,080
mortality.
But embrace that.

3055
03:04:49,080 --> 03:04:51,040
And then ask yourself, OK, what
am I missing?

3056
03:04:51,800 --> 03:04:54,600
Right.
And better than ask yourself, go

3057
03:04:54,600 --> 03:04:55,880
ask the Lord what you're
missing.

3058
03:04:55,880 --> 03:04:59,320
He'll show you.
He'll tell you and work on that.

3059
03:04:59,400 --> 03:05:03,160
There's no reason to stay stuck.
We all get there, but there's no

3060
03:05:03,160 --> 03:05:06,480
reason you got to stay there.
Yeah.

3061
03:05:07,640 --> 03:05:10,840
So, dude, good stuff.
I appreciate it.

3062
03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:15,840
Yeah.
It's it's been fun.

3063
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:17,440
I enjoyed sharing it.
Yep.

3064
03:05:17,480 --> 03:05:19,880
Absolutely.
Anything else you want to add

3065
03:05:19,880 --> 03:05:23,440
before we wrap up?
I think that's about it.

3066
03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:26,840
I.
Think, I mean there's more

3067
03:05:26,840 --> 03:05:28,360
layers.
I mean, I honestly, I could

3068
03:05:28,360 --> 03:05:30,120
probably talk about the temple
forever.

3069
03:05:30,120 --> 03:05:32,320
I I just.
Go on and on and on and on.

3070
03:05:32,600 --> 03:05:35,320
There's some other really cool
models that you can look at, but

3071
03:05:35,320 --> 03:05:37,680
I felt like this was the most
important one I wanted to share

3072
03:05:37,680 --> 03:05:39,920
because this is the one that is
applicable.

3073
03:05:39,960 --> 03:05:43,320
It's it shows you how to take
that knowledge and apply it

3074
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:47,480
perfect and and so.
Yeah, awesome.

3075
03:05:47,480 --> 03:05:50,640
Well, dude, I appreciate it.
So hang out for just 5 minutes,

3076
03:05:50,640 --> 03:05:53,440
all right, all right, all right.
Bye everybody.