Episode #178-PT.8 Of The Temple Covenants Series: The Sealing Covenant W/Isaac Musser

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The.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Isaac, how you doing?

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Man, I'm pretty good.
I'm nervous, but I'm pretty

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good.
You're going to do great, I have

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no doubt about it.
Well, first, look, I know it's

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always nerve racking when you're
like, hey, you want to like come

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on the podcast and talk to me
and maybe a few more.

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I know that it's always a bit
unnerving, but man, I sure am

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glad you're here.
Well, I'm grateful for the

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opportunity and we're going to
go over some interesting things

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and I hope it does some good.
I I'm sure it will so dude,

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let's just dive right in.
We're going to talk about the,

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the, we're going, we're doing
the temple covenant series,

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right?
And we're to the point now

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where, where we're on the
ceilings, right?

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The, the marriage covenant, yes.
And those are hugely important,

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right?
I wouldn't say they're

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necessarily the last ordinance
you make, but it's probably one

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of the most important that
you'll ever partake of in your

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life.
It's very important.

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And do you just want me dive in?
Yeah, just dive right in, man.

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OK, Brother Wooly, and I don't
know if you heard this before,

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Brother Lauren Wooly and I found
this in in my or in Brother

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Muster's Book of Remembrance,
but he described the endowments

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as being in three parts.
And so the first one is

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described as this, and this is
what we call the first anointing

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of the first endowment.
It is, you were, to put it

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simply, you are anointed to
become OK.

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And then the second is that
actual blessings are bestowed

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right or realized.
And the third one is Jesus

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Christ himself.
Right.

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So I want to emphasize this
point.

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When we talk about the temple
ordinances, we talk about a

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process.
It is not complete until the

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whole work is finished.
Right.

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And, and so this marriage
ceremony or this marriage

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covenant is interesting because
it's kind of in between.

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It's in between the first
anointing and the second

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anointing.
And it's A, to a degree, it's a

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completion or that's not the
right word, but it's a, it's a

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bridge between the two, the
first and the second, but it has

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far reaching implications.
And so one thing I'd like to

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talk about, and this is
something I don't know why it

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isn't talked about more, at
least amongst the associates I

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deal with.
But when we talk about these

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covenants that you have already
gone over, a covenant is a

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contract and a contract spells
out obligations and

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responsibilities on both
parties.

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And the marriage ceremony or
ceiling or contract or covenant

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spelled out some very serious
responsibilities.

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And so in talking about this
marriage ceremony, I think it's

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important that we keep in mind
our responsibilities, our

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obligations that are connected
to these covenants.

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When we, I like this analogy,
when you go in and sign a

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contract on, on a vehicle, you
put some money down, the banker

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or whoever's representing the
lender as you sign some papers,

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in those papers you agree to
terms or conditions, right?

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Those conditions spell out what
you're going to do.

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They spell out you're going to
make the payment on this day,

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this amount, you're going to
make sure you have insurance on

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the vehicle as long as the bank
has a right to it, and so on.

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There's conditions laid out in
the contract and it's spelled

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out very well.
You're supposed to read it.

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You're supposed to understand
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Now you walk away after signing
that contract with an

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understanding that that's your
car and you can call it your car

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until you miss a payment, until
you don't carry insurance on

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that.
Right.

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Then you jeopardize the
ownership of that vehicle

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because the contract has not
been fulfilled.

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Right.
And so I look at this a little

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bit with marriage and this is
just a, a preamble, if you will.

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We, we make this marriage
contract or, or we enter into

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this agreement between US and
the Lord and we can call our

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spouse, our spouse.
But we need to remember that

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there's conditions and
obligations in that contract

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that have to be met before this
is finished.

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And that this is only a step in
the in the in the progress of

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accomplishing this eternal
marriage.

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Oh, that is such a fantastic way
of looking at that, right.

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I, I could not have put that any
better.

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My, you know, certainly I can
have put that better myself.

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And I can't think of anyone ever
explaining it that way.

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But I think you're right because
so often and, and look, I want

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to say this runs the gamut of
Mormonism.

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This isn't just an LDS problem
or a fundamentalist problem or

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whatever.
There's kind of a, a feeling

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from time to time and, and I
hate to admit it, sometimes it

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comes more from the brethren is
what I've observed where it's

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like, hey, we got sealed, she's
mine, I'm good, right?

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Everything else can stop, right?
It's all done.

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And I like how you put that
like, no, not yet.

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We still have obligations we
have to meet even though we get

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to call her our spouse now.
That's right.

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It, it is incomplete and we need
to remember that because if we

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don't understand that there's
conditions and responsibilities,

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then how are we going to fulfill
them?

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How are we going to accomplish
it?

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And that's that's what I think
you're trying to accomplish by

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going over these covenants is
try and give people an

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understanding that they have a
responsibility.

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Going through the temple
ordinances isn't something you

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do to check off your list and
say I've done it.

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Right.
And, and if we, if we do it that

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way, and too many people I
believe do do it that way, they

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miss the whole point.
And instead of instead of those

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temple ordinances being a
blessing and a help for them to

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understand the way back to our
Father in the way to exaltation,

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it becomes a condemnation upon
him.

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We want to guard against that.
And these are the most, you

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know, if we look at the way that
the brethren in the past

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described these ordinances, they
were the most solemn and

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important covenants we could
enter into, and they needed to

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be done with our eyes open,
understanding them.

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And that's what we're trying to
do.

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Let let me ask you a question
here and, and I'll only ask you

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to, to kind of speculate on this
from from your perspective,

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right?
You, you were born and raised a

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fundamentalist.
Why do you think it is that,

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that maybe we haven't had our
eyes more opened on this

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subject, right?
I mean, look every as far as I

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can tell, and please correct me
if I'm wrong, Steven, you've

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been at, I mean, Isaac, you've
been at this a lot longer than I

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have.
Everything we do in Mormonism

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kind of points us to the temple,
right?

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And how is it we've missed the
boat with not having our eyes

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wide open going into this?
I think there's a natural

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tendency in it.
It's really hard to to throw a

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blanket statement that covers
all of the different

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motivations.
But when we, when we undertake

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to become like our Heavenly
parents, to follow down the way

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that Nephi describes the way
back to well, to fulfill our

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whole purpose in coming here,
it's a lot of work.

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Yeah.
It's a lot of work.

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We have to be something more
than we are.

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We have to become something more
than we are.

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And a natural inclination of
mankind is, is to look for the

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easy path.
And so if we can turn, whether

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it's baptism, whether it's a
sacrament, whether it's whether

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it's the temple ordinances,
whether it's callings in the

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priesthood, whatever, whatever
it is, if we can turn those into

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a more simple way that we can do
and still live our lives.

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Right.
And still get where we think we

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want to go.
Then we, our minds try to do

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that.
And I think we have to work

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doubly hard because of that
natural tendency in us to dumb

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down our religion to look and
say, what are we here for?

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And are we accomplishing it?
You know, if I can take a

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minute, I'll go, I'll go back.
You know, we talked about the

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temple ordinances and they cover
so much ground and trying to

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help us understand where we came
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go.
But in the beginning we have the

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pre existence where obviously we
saw that our Heavenly parents

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were different than us.
We saw that they had greater

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capacity, greater ability.
We they demonstrated something

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we wanted and so we sought to
follow after our Heavenly

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Parents and they went to great
efforts and work to give us an

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opportunity to follow in their
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And the scriptures tell us that
the sons of God shouted for joy

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when they found out that this
plan was established and that

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there was going to be an earth
created, that they could get

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these experiences and learn how
to become like their Heavenly

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parents.
They shouted for joy.

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And what do we do when we get
here too often?

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You go what's the easiest path?
Right.

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And, and we, because of our
natural condition, we forget we

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came here for a very serious
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And the temple tries, in my
mind, the temple tries to help

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us understand this is a very
serious purpose.

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And here are the steps you need
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And, and so this marriage
contract, and I've called a

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contract just because I want to
make that impression.

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The first part of the marriage
ceiling will oftentimes it's

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been referred to as marriage
ceiling is the contractual part

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of it.
I know I'm not saying that

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right, Dave, but is the part
where we agree to something and,

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and those parts need to be well,
they need to be written upon our

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part.
All of these covenants that we

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make need to be written upon our
heart to where we don't forget

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them so that we have that we
take the ownership and

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responsibility to try and
fulfill them.

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You know that one thing I, I, I
have to be careful how I say

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this.
There is a mentality or an idea

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that if we do our best, the
Savior will make up the

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difference.
And I think we have to be

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careful how we view that because
the Scriptures don't give us

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authority to believe that if we
need to put forth the lackluster

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effort that the Savior will
compensate for that.

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The only place in the scriptures
were that I'm aware of where it

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talks about the Savior stepping
in and making up the differences

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after we've done all that we can
and all that we can is a lot.

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It is.
And we have to remember that.

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And so let's go back to the
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We saw our heavenly parents.
We saw that they were more than

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we were in that pre mortal
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And we wanted to be be like
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And so they says, OK, here's the
way.

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Here's what we did in order to
become what we are.

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It is not an easy path.
It requires a lot of work.

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Work.
Now we will help create the

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opportunity which we are forever
in their debt to do.

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I'm seeing and I have a bad
connection here with you, Dave.

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Yes, it shows that your Internet
connection is a little weak, but

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it's still coming through.
So it just looks like you're a

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little behind us all on the
video, but it'll be fine.

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OK, well the video doesn't
matter to me because I'm not the

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best guy to look at so.
You know, when I first people

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kept saying you should do video
and I'm like, look, I love you

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guys too much to subject you to
two hours of having to look at

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me.
So you know you're you're just

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fine.
OK, I was going to read a a

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quote from the Prophet Joseph.
It's real short, but I like it

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because it talks about these
steps, and this is for the sake

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of reference for anyone that
wants to look it up.

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This is page 348 of the
teachings of the Prophet.

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But he says when you climb up a
ladder you must begin at the

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bottom and ascend step by step
until you arrive at the top.

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And so it is with the principles
of the gospel.

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You must begin with the 1st and
go on until you learn all the

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principles of exaltation, but
before you will have learned

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them.
Oh, excuse me, but it will be a

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great while after you have
passed through the veil, before

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you have learned them.
It is not all to be comprehended

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in this world.
It will be a great work to learn

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our salvation and exaltation
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So we're not.
The Temple doesn't have all the

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answers, but it is part.
It is rungs in that ladder.

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Absolutely.
Just as much as as baptism is,

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as the confirmation and the
reception of the Holy Ghost is,

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as ordinations in the priesthood
are, they're all steps going up

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that ladder.
And what we want to do is we

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want to actually climb the
ladder and not just look at it

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and say we, well, there's a
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We have to climb the ladder.
And the temple ordinances give

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us an opportunity to see and
understand more clearly what

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those steps are, you know, and
to also measure ourselves to

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that.
Absolutely.

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And you know, it's, it's
interesting that if we look at

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even temple architecture,
especially if you know from the

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LDS perspective of things, those
old pioneer era temples, they

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were laid out in an ascending
way, right?

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Is that graduated covenants?
You were working your way up in

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the building, right?
That wasn't by accident.

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And so this idea that you're
putting forward here that that

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you're quoting Joseph from about
ascending a ladder, that's

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absolutely a pattern that God
had used many times even before

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or at times when temples weren't
available.

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Where do you have you go to do
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You went up the mountain, right?
And there is, that's right.

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There's this feeling that you
are going up, you are ascending

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up as you partake of these
covenants.

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And I think that's so important
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And likewise in terms of
ceiling, I don't think it was by

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accident that in those old
pioneer temples, the the ceiling

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rooms were often just adjacent
to the celestial room, right And

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so.
That's right.

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They're, they're very much,
there was a very specific

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pattern that the Lord had
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Because of that, he was trying
to drive home the point about

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ascending that ladder or
climbing the mountain of the

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Lord.
That's right, an interesting

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quote from Harley P Pratt.
So when the Prophet Joseph was

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restoring these ordinances in
Nauvoo, of course the temple

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wasn't finished and he was doing
it in the upper room of the red

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brick store.
But he instructed the 12 and

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others specifically through all
of these ordinances in 1845

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after the Prophet was had been
killed, the 12 were governing

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the church, or at least those
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governing there.
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the Nauvoo Temple and so that
they could complete these

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ordinances within the temple.
But something interesting is, is

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this order of marriage.
A lot of people have heard about

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the sealing and they wanted to
be sealed for time in all

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eternity.
And so they were asking the 12

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can we be married after this
order?

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Can we be married after this
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And part of P Pratt addressed
them in a letter that says the

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Prophet Joseph never gave us
authority or authorized us to

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separate this ceiling from the
rest of the endowment that it

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was meant to go together.
Now, I know as time passed on

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because of circumstances, often
these marriages, this marriage

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ceremony was used and has been
used for thousands of people.

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And I'm not finding fault with
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What I, I'm just trying to point
out is this was meant to be

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together.
This was meant to be part of

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that ladder, the sending ladder.
You stay, take one step, you

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take another step, you take
another step and they build upon

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each other until you get to this
point.

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And then you go from here,
there's another last step and

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another step and another step,
and you're not.

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You haven't climbed where we
want to go until you've climbed

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where we want to go.
Right.

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And so this is a necessary step,
but it is in the middle of a

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process.
It's in the middle of the

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ladder.
And so let's let's go into.

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So if we look at this as a
contract, I'm just going to read

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you the beginning.
Now I've laid this foundation,

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we're going to review a little
bit of how where someone, what

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someone has done to get to this
point once we get to that point

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in this contract.
But but this isn't for

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everybody.
This is this marriage covenant.

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The ceiling, if you will, is for
those that have made certain

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preparations that have developed
or or exhibited a certain

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determination and commitment.
That's what this is designed for

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and the contract will spell that
out.

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So let's this is the groom's
covenant.

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This is this is what he is
agreeing to do.

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You brother so and so take
sister so and so by the right

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hand and receive her unto
yourself.

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Say that's first part, then to
be her lawful and wedded wife,

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second part and then.
And you to be your lawful and

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wedded husband.
I just want to stop there now.

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We're all used to that.
Most marriages have something

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similar to that.
Right.

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So you have someone that that
has now agreed to receive her

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unto yourself, to be her, to be
your lawful and wedded wife.

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You're accepting her as a legal
and lawful wedded wife and

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you're receiving her to yourself
as if she is a part of you and

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you to be your lawful wedded
husband.

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Now that lawful and wedded
husband, that husband part, I

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want us to remember and
underline that in our heads.

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What does a good husband look
like?

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Now, the world has a lot of
different views of what a good

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husband is, but this husband,
this man, this groom that is

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entering into this covenant has
made other covenants.

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He is taking upon himself other
obligations.

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He has something in mind as that
where he won't stand up or ought

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to.
So keep that in mind.

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We this is that kind of of a man
when he thinks about himself as

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a husband, what how he's
supposed to treat this wife If

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there's a standard there.
Now he does this, he accepts

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this bride, if you will, he
accepts her unto himself to be

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his lawful and wedded wife and
him to be lawful wedded husband

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for time and all eternity.
Now a lot of people focus on

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that and that's beautiful.
I, I love that part of it, time

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and eternity.
But but let's again, that's part

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of that's part of the
fulfillment of the contract,

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that eternity part.
We need to be faithful in time

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in order to see that eternity.
We have to make the payments.

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We have to make the payments and
make them consistently OK.

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And this is the part that many
people, so we this is the part

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the groom has said this.
Yes, I accept this.

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But this is part that needs to
be understood and you don't

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understand this part very well
if you haven't gone through the

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1st endowment.
So I'm just going to read it

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through.
So it's because someone else

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isn't reading this, it's
listening to this.

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Do you brother so and so take
sister so and so by the right

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hand and receive her unto
yourself to be your lawful and

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wedded wife and you to be her
lawful and wedded husband for

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time and all eternity.
With a covenant and a promise on

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your part that you will fulfill
all of the laws, rights and

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ordinances pertaining to this
holy Order of matrimony in the

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new and everlasting covenant.
Doing this in the presence of

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God, Angels, and these witnesses
of your own free will and

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choice.
Now that I don't know how

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contracts are written, I don't
know if you call that a clause,

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I don't know what you would call
that, but that is a pretty

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strong condition there.
You, you say I will do this with

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the covenant and a promise on my
part that I will fulfill all of

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the laws, rights, and ordinances
pertaining to this holy order of

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matrimony in the new and
everlasting covenant.

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Now that says a whole lot.
I mean, that's.

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Huge, yes.
And so that part, I don't think

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a lot of people have have been
explained or or I should say,

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have taken the time to
understand what they're agreeing

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to, right, especially outside of
the temple.

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Right.
But many people, well, many

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people have grown up.
We want to get married in the

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temple.
We want to be sealed for

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eternity.
We want to have families or

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forever.
We want that blessing.

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But there is this condition here
that is required for us to

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fulfill in order to live up to,
in order to be eligible, if you

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will, for that contract to be
fulfilled.

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So this contract is made between
the groom and God.

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Yes.
Yeah, you're telling, you're

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telling God this is what I'm
going to do exactly in

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conjunction with taking the
responsibility of being married

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to one of your daughters.
Exactly.

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And so the sister, the bride,
she says something similar to

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you sister, take brothers so and
so by the right hand, except it

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words are different.
She has a different role and

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give yourself to him to be his
lawful and wedded wife for time

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and all eternity.
Now again, we can underline that

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wife word.
What kind of wife is she?

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Is she going to measure herself
to why it's going to be the kind

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of wife that she's going to be
striving to be should be

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influenced by the covenants that
she has entered into prior to

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making this.
Right.

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And so it's not just your
standard old biddy that the

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world might look at.
And just as this man is not the

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standard old man that people
would refer to, these are

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different individuals with a
different commitment and they

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should look different and they
should act different in their

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daily lives.
So he's, she has agreed to be

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his wife for time and all
eternity, but her this has this

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exact same wording in for the
groom As for the wife with a

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covenant and a promise on your
part that you will fulfill all

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the laws, rights and ordinances
pertaining to this holy order of

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matrimony in the new and
everlasting covenant.

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Doing this in the presence of
God, angels and these witnesses

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of your own free will and
choice.

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Now, people need to understand
if they're going to say yes to

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that, they need to understand
what does it mean to fulfill all

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the laws, rights and ordinances
pertaining to this holy order of

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matrimony?
Absolutely.

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And and that needs to be the
focus as far as I'm concerned,

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when we make a covenant.
You know, when I was a little

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kid, one of my mother's taught
us this song.

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And I just love this, this
rhyme, and I remember it and it

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says, before you make a promise,
consider, well, it's important

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and then engrave it upon your
heart.

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People need to understand what
they're agreeing to.

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They need to wait out, they need
to count the costs.

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And then they write it upon
their heart because they're

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going to do what they can to
fulfill it.

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Absolutely, people.
That's the contractual part.

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Go ahead, Dave.
I was going to say, I think

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people, I think there's a
natural inclination.

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Look at some of this.
I do not want to come across

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wrong because I don't want to
destroy some of the magic of the

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newlyweds, right?
But but so often because it,

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because it is a great time,
right?

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I, I don't think the Lord wants
us deprived of that.

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I think that's part of the
beauty of this life is that

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experience of, of falling in
love and, and, and being

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married.
However, sometimes what I see

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is, is you know, it.
We talked about the one extreme

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where someone just goes, well,
you know, OK, we're married now.

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We're good.
It's all good.

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We're sealed.
Nothing, nothing left.

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No, no need to keep courting or
anything like that.

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We're good.
The opposite would be kind of

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almost like turning your spouse
into an idol, right?

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And I think the way that this
happens is you forget that you

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didn't just make covenants not
only to your spouse, but you

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also make covenants to your God
first and foremost concerning

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this marriage contract.
And he is an integral part of

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this.
And if you try to to separate

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God from this contract, in my
opinion, in my opinion only,

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you've got not much promise
there if that's how you're going

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to going to go forward with it.
Oh, absolutely.

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A lot of people, they focus on
the blessings that are

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pronounced after individuals
have entered into this

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agreement.
They focus on the blessings and

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they act as though they've
obtained it.

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They act like they have a right
to that car that they signed the

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contract for without making the
payments.

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Right.
And sooner or later they're

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00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,200
going to find out that they
misunderstood the contract.

452
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,080
Yep, They can't.
They can't expect the blessing

453
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,920
without a tearing to the laws
that govern that blessing.

454
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,360
The Prophet Joseph laid this out
very clear.

455
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,280
There's no irrevocable decree
there.

456
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,920
The law is connected to the
blessing.

457
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,640
If we want the blessing, we have
to abide in the law.

458
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,840
Yeah, it's the only way it
works.

459
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,760
Absolutely.
Can I ask?

460
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920
You.
So we need to understand the

461
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,200
law.
Go ahead, Dave.

462
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,240
Can I ask you another question
about this marriage contract

463
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,040
here?
And because I, I, I think you're

464
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680
100% right.
We wouldn't buy a car or

465
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,920
especially a home and land
without really understanding

466
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
that contract, right?
What's expected of us.

467
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,160
And so I do have some questions
here concerning this for, for

468
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,880
the men.
When it says you will receive

469
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,240
her unto yourself, what does
that mean, right?

470
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,400
It sounds pretty simple on on
the surface, but I'm guessing

471
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,840
there's some stuff underneath
there.

472
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,280
I think there is.
You know how Paul the Apostle

473
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
talked about how men should love
their lives?

474
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,960
Right, like Christ.
Like as to yeah, but he says you

475
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920
should love your wife as if it
was you, as if it was your own

476
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,200
body.
You would not hurt yourself,

477
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,800
right?
You would take care of yourself

478
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,400
and then you would give your
life for your wife as Christ

479
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,280
gave his life for the church.
So that gives us an insight, I

480
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,440
think at least how a good
husband should view his wife.

481
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,080
He should be the protector.
He should be the guide.

482
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,960
He should be the responsible
part party to say, what can I do

483
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,720
to help this my, my best friend
or what I want to be my best

484
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,040
friend, continue with me into
the eternal, into the eternal

485
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,120
realms.
And and that again, that's

486
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,680
colored by his preparation that
he has made prior to making this

487
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,680
covenant or ought to have made
if he's gone through the 1st

488
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:45,080
endowment because he has a
different understanding perhaps

489
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,280
than the regular fellow where he
wants to go.

490
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,880
Absolutely.
So we need to, and this is where

491
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,840
we need to go back a little bit
and talk about just a perhaps a

492
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,520
quick review of what individuals
should understand before they

493
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,560
enter into this order of
matrimony.

494
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Let's do it.
So this, this groom in the first

495
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,680
instant as he enters the temple,
he goes through the initiatory

496
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:27,760
ordinances and those initiatory
ordinances wash him to become

497
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,480
not as clean, but to become
clean from the blood and sins of

498
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,320
this generation.
And in preparation of being

499
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,080
anointed to become not as I just
want to make this distinction,

500
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,600
but to become a king and a
priest unto the Most High God.

501
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,160
So in the first instance, this
man who is now a groom making

502
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,160
this covenant has his eyes on
following the footsteps of his

503
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,680
heavenly Father.
That's where he wants to go.

504
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,200
That's what he wants to become,
and he's taken steps.

505
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,120
I have to separate myself from
the sins of this world.

506
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,120
I want to become clean from the
blood and sins of this

507
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,000
generation in which I live.
I have to rise above them.

508
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,480
And he's symbolically washed to
become cleaned, as well as to

509
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,040
warn his neighbors to do the
same.

510
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,440
And that that starts him down
that road to become clean from

511
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,360
the blood and sins of this
generation.

512
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,720
And he's anointed to become a
king and a priest unto the Most

513
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,440
High God, to rule and reign in
our Father's Kingdom forever.

514
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,000
He's not there yet.
Right.

515
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600
But he's being prepared for that
purpose.

516
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,960
That's where he wants to go.
That's what he wants to do.

517
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,280
And so with that in mind, he's
he's been prepared.

518
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,760
And the Lord says, here is a is
a garment prepared for those who

519
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,560
want to go where I am.
And this will be a daily

520
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,360
reminder of the commitments that
you have made and are going to

521
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,800
make and the path you want to
go.

522
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,320
And if you're faithful to the
covenants you make, this garment

523
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,320
will be a protection from you
against the adversary.

524
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,800
So this is this is the beginning
part.

525
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,719
So that right there sets you in
a different way, a different

526
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,719
trajectory than most people.
And so you have that in mind.

527
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,159
And then you, and then you go
from there, you go into and you

528
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,360
learn about how this world was
created.

529
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,000
And you learned that the gods
worked very hard to give us this

530
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,920
opportunity to create the earth
and everything about it, put it

531
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,280
in its place so that we would
have this opportunity.

532
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Not because just because they
love fishes and birds and and

533
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,480
beautiful forests and mountains
and lakes.

534
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,320
And we all love those things.
But that's not what they went to

535
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
all that work for.
They went to that work to give

536
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,360
you and I and all of us an
opportunity to follow in their

537
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,920
footsteps to get a mortal body
and learn what the lessons we

538
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,040
need to learn.
And we learn the creation and it

539
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,520
gives us some degree of respect
or, or it ought to, some

540
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,160
appreciation for the effort that
has gone in to giving us the

541
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,800
opportunity that we hungered for
in our pre mortal state.

542
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,400
Absolutely.
And then and then we'll walk

543
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,800
through the different rooms and
go through the different

544
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,920
covenants that you have reviewed
in your other episodes.

545
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:43,160
But let's go over some of those,
the law of obedience, and I

546
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,280
think this is something that is
so misunderstood amongst so many

547
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,800
people.
You, the man makes a covenant to

548
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,840
obey the law of God, not to obey
a man, right?

549
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,760
Not even to obey God.
He makes a covenant to obey the

550
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,920
law of God and that law is
eternal.

551
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,840
That law is the same law that
our Heavenly parents followed or

552
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,760
abided in in order to get where
they were.

553
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:21,680
So it sets the precedence.
In the beginning you wanted to

554
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,800
follow in our footsteps.
In your pre mortal condition.

555
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,440
You saw you were different.
You saw we were different.

556
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,200
This is our Heavenly Parents
talking.

557
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,720
We have abided certain laws,
celestial and their nature that

558
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,480
have helped us obtain what we
have today.

559
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,760
You're going to have to learn
how to abide the same laws in

560
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,440
order to follow in our
footsteps.

561
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,840
So that's the first covenant you
are learning to or you promise

562
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,480
or covenant to obey the law of
God and then the wife.

563
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,920
So here's let's go back to this
covenant here, this marriage

564
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,960
ceremony covenant.
Yes, the wife agrees to be to

565
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,960
give yourself to him to be his
legal or excuse me, his lawful

566
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,080
and wedded wife.
Hey, that second it's it's in

567
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,160
connection with law of
obedience.

568
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:27,840
See Covenants to obey the law of
her husband under a condition.

569
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,200
Right.
That condition is as he obeys

570
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,960
the law of God.
Hey, can I just say a few things

571
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,520
before we move on from that?
Point.

572
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Sure, sure.
That is, I think, a very

573
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,000
important distinction that you
made there first, concerning the

574
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,520
man not even to obey God, but to
obey God's law.

575
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,800
Yes.
I'm a guy who tends to believe

576
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,560
that the ordinances and the
covenants aren't here only for

577
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:05,040
our exaltation and to make us
better people and to give us

578
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,000
blessings.
I think that they're a safety

579
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:13,320
rail right in fun in in
Mormonism, we have seen too

580
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,480
often where people will ascribe
their own bad behavior too.

581
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,280
Well, that's what God told me.
That's right.

582
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,240
Right.
And I, I think there's, I think

583
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,800
it's a subtle nuance in there
that the Lord threw in there

584
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,880
that we just haven't really been
good at catching, right.

585
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Well, how do you test that?
Well, how does it stack up

586
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,240
against the other laws of God
that he has revealed?

587
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:42,600
And if it seems to be in direct
opposition to that, you better

588
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,280
take some pause.
Right.

589
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,880
Absolutely.
The the for the sisters I have

590
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,880
seen, I'm going to be very
careful here because because I

591
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,720
do not want to make this as just
a blanket statement.

592
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,160
There are some qualifiers to
this, but I have seen too often

593
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
where men will abuse this
covenant in relation to their

594
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,440
wives.
And, and you know, darn it,

595
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,280
woman, because that's how I said
it is, is kind of how they do

596
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,360
it.
And she's given this thing of

597
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,120
you don't have to stand for that
there, you know, you, you only

598
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,520
need to be as faithful as your
husband is to the laws of God,

599
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,600
right?
And so there's kind of safety

600
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,240
built into those that I think a
lot of people do not realize.

601
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,520
I, I agree completely and I I
think that needs to be

602
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,560
emphasized.
So what is this?

603
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,240
What does this do?
The only reason I believe this

604
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,280
is worded the way it is for
different from the man from the

605
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,800
woman is that it shows that
we're creating a patriarchal

606
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,000
family.
Right.

607
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,360
It's there is no difference in
law.

608
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,960
It's just showing it's a
patriarchal system of

609
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,680
government, right?
And So what does she get to do?

610
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,560
If she's a good faithful wife,
what does she get to do?

611
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,440
She gets to remind her husband
of the law of God.

612
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,000
Yes.
And say, is this the law of God

613
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,040
or is this something else?
And that's her job.

614
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,840
That's what she should be doing,
and that is the safety rail.

615
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,840
If she's doing her job, she's a
counselor and she's saying,

616
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,160
look, the law of God says this,
aren't we supposed to be doing

617
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,440
that?
Absolutely.

618
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,640
The man is never authorized.
He made a covenant to obey the

619
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,600
law of God.
Right.

620
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,520
What happens if he administers
any other law?

621
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,360
If he administers his own law,
what does that say?

622
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,200
That's malfeasance and office.
Yeah.

623
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,880
He.
Can't do that.

624
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Yeah, he's right.
Lord is not standing there

625
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,000
saying, well, he's your husband,
right?

626
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,840
He's not going to be defending
that that mad made a covenant,

627
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,800
but for God, angels and
witnesses that he will obey the

628
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,600
law of God that governs him,
that is sovereign.

629
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,160
When he deviates from that, he
is in violation of breaking his

630
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,560
contract, his covenant with God.
And so that is a governing.

631
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,560
That law of God is a governing
guardrail, if you will,

632
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,640
throughout his life going
forward.

633
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,840
That's the kind of husband he
needs to strive to be.

634
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,880
What does the law of God?
How does that apply to me as a

635
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,080
husband?
And so the wife is doing the

636
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,520
same.
She's saying, what is the law of

637
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,520
God?
She needs to know the law of God

638
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,640
in order to help her husband and
to know that well that he's not

639
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,840
taking him off a Cliff, right?
Taking that family off the

640
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,400
Cliff.
She needs to know the law of

641
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,760
God.
Yep.

642
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,960
And So what does that create?
That creates strength and unity

643
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
when they both understand and
are striving to understand the

644
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,480
law of God.
Absolutely.

645
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,040
So so we here, here, we've come
to this point that this groom

646
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,360
and this bride in the 1st place
have a trajectory.

647
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,640
They want to become like their
heavenly parents.

648
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,960
They have been washed and
anointed towards that end and

649
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,840
they've entered into this first
covenant.

650
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,200
First covenant that they will be
obedient to the law of God,

651
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,360
where the husband is
acknowledged as the head of the

652
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,920
family to the patriarchal order.
Yet the law of God governs and

653
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,280
that's key.
The law of God is sovereign in

654
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,600
that home, not the man, the law
of God.

655
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Then the second covenant, the
law of sacrifice is connected to

656
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,600
it and it it ties and we're just
going to review it quickly.

657
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560
I know you've already done
episodes on this, but.

658
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,320
You're good, you're good.
The law of sacrifice basically

659
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,200
tells us, look, this is how I
read it.

660
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,480
There's going to be in a,
because of this circumstances,

661
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,880
there needs to be an atonement.
The Savior's going to take care

662
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,200
of that work, but you have a
work to do.

663
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,480
You have promised to obey the
law of God.

664
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,640
You are in a natural condition,
Brother so and so and sister so

665
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,320
and so.
And you're not always going to

666
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,240
want to obey the law of God.
OK, Who does?

667
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800
Right.
You're not not in your natural

668
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,720
condition, you're not there yet.
So this is going to create a

669
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,680
situation where you're going to
be up against the wall and have

670
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,120
to make a choice at times.
And that choice, if you're going

671
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,840
to do what's right, is going to
require you making a decision to

672
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,640
set aside what you want to do in
the moment because of your

673
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,240
natural condition, and do what
is right instead.

674
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:37,200
That is the law of sacrifice.
That is, I promise to take

675
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,960
whatever stands in the way of me
being obedient to the law of

676
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,520
God, and I will put it on the
altar, so to speak, and it will

677
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,960
be gone because I've made this
commitment to obey the law of

678
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,320
God.
The law of sacrifice basically

679
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,160
says I won't let anything stand
in the way of that.

680
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,000
I'm willing to give up anything
in order to obey the law of God.

681
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,760
And that being obedient in that
way opens the door for the

682
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,400
atonement of the Savior for his
sacrifice, because we're willing

683
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,000
again to do all that we can do,
which opens the door for the

684
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,560
Savior to do his part.
So repentance, the work of

685
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,800
repentance, is nothing more than
the application of the law of

686
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,440
sacrifice.
Yeah.

687
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,520
It it's setting aside something
that we have wanted to do as a

688
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,800
payment against doing the right
thing.

689
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,240
You know, you know, probably the
go ahead, Dave.

690
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,000
I I'm sorry, Isaac, go ahead.
I say Brother Brigham says

691
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,360
sacrifice is an overused word.
To paraphrase what he says is an

692
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,880
over used word.
Because all we have is so little

693
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,720
to give.
We give up a bunch of nonsense

694
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:02,200
and God gives us eternal life
and eternal increase that it's

695
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,680
not a fair trade for God.
No, no, no it's not.

696
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,080
That's, that's like getting a
Rolls Royce for the price of a,

697
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,800
you know, a Toyota, Hyundai.
I mean, that's, that's pretty

698
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,400
good.
It is, it tells us a little bit

699
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,880
of the character of our Heavenly
Parents, though, what they're

700
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,720
interested in doing and, and
how, how bad they want to share

701
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,480
the joy and the happiness and,
and all the work that comes with

702
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,280
their existence with us.
And they're offering us

703
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,760
everything and they're asking us
to give up some of our nonsense.

704
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,800
And if we look at law of
sacrifice, as hard as it is when

705
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,440
we're in the middle of the
emotion of wanting to do

706
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,880
something that isn't the best
thing we should do, if we stand

707
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,480
back from it little ways and
look at it with a clear

708
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,560
perspective, it's not much of A
trade off.

709
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,560
No, you know, I want to speak on
this just a second.

710
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,840
And look, I'm a guy who who came
from a background of never being

711
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,600
a Mormon, first Mormon on either
side of my family as far as I

712
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,320
know.
And I remember sitting there and

713
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,960
someone was saying, well, and,
and in these days, it was three

714
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,560
hours of church for the LDS
church, right?

715
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,640
Three hours on Sunday.
And then it's 10% of your

716
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,360
tithing.
And then there's going to be,

717
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,160
you know, 10%, excuse me, in
tithing.

718
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,400
And then there's going to be
more stuff that goes along with

719
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,000
that, callings and that sort of
thing.

720
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,200
And I'm like, look, especially
the time thing on Sunday, right?

721
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,480
I love football.
I'm like, if your God can't get

722
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,640
done in an hour and a half like
everybody else's, I don't know

723
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:43,280
what you want me to say.
But however, however, I will say

724
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,000
this, as I laid some stuff on
the altar, what I realized is it

725
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,680
was just that it's just stuff,
right?

726
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,880
And so often I think we get, we
get, we have this idea of, oh,

727
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,680
look at how much I sacrifice the
Lord.

728
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,640
You didn't sacrifice anything
that wasn't worth giving up

729
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,840
anyway.
And at the end of it, the

730
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,960
blessings not only in the life
to come, but in this life are

731
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,960
far supreme to anything else
that you were going to do of

732
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,760
your own accord, period.
And, and I think that's

733
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,040
something we need to keep in
mind here, that this idea that

734
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,920
we're just sacrificing.
No, there's a purpose behind

735
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080
that.
And whatever you're giving up, I

736
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,320
promise the blessings coming
back your way are tenfold.

737
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,880
That's right, that's exactly
right.

738
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,200
And another way to look at
sacrifices is when we when we

739
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,360
sacrifice something for the
right purpose, it is sanctified,

740
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,320
is consecrated, is made holy.
And I know we don't look at our

741
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,280
sins that way, but that's what
it's doing to us.

742
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,480
When we give up those things
that are are beneath our

743
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,240
aspirations, that's what is.
Again, let's go back to what

744
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,240
what we're what our trajectory
is.

745
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,000
We've been washed and anointed
to become something.

746
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,040
We're not there yet.
We know we're not there yet, but

747
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,720
we want to become something.
And so there's going to be a

748
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:13,440
process of changing, of
improvement in order to get

749
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,920
there.
That's going to require giving

750
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,920
some things up that are beneath
the gods.

751
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,560
It's just beneath them.
We just have to recognize that.

752
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,880
And so let's take that back to
this marriage contract, that law

753
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,600
of sacrifice.
That's a, that's something we

754
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,800
applied to be a good husband and
a Good Wife.

755
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,560
We have to look what is, what is
the best thing for our family?

756
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,800
What is the best thing for a
family to help go this direction

757
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,440
that we're trying to go?
And it means being unselfish,

758
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,000
right?
I mean, setting aside the well,

759
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,320
this is how I feel today.
I I just want to sit here and

760
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,240
watch football and I've been
there while the rest of my

761
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:06,160
family is, is working hard,
maybe making a nice big meal for

762
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,920
me to enjoy.
Now that's not very godly,

763
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,080
right?
I'm supposed to learn be

764
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,880
learning how to be a godly
husband.

765
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,240
So I look at that.
I recognize it.

766
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,280
I'm just using that as an
example because I've been there

767
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,800
plenty of times and say, what
should I do in that moment?

768
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:30,800
What should a godly husband do?
And you sacrifice that nice soft

769
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,920
chair with your nice drink,
watching the entertaining

770
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,880
whatever, and you get up and you
help your family.

771
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,360
That's the application of the
law of sacrifice and very simple

772
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,480
terms.
And you do it on a daily basis.

773
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,920
And, and as you do it, you start
to change who you are into

774
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,520
something better to where that's
not hard to do anymore.

775
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,520
You step up and do the right
thing.

776
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,200
Absolutely.
And so I, I, I tell people this,

777
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,840
the law of sacrifice is this
simple and so easy to remember.

778
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,080
The law of sacrifice is choose
the right, whether I feel like

779
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,200
it or not.
That's all it is.

780
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,160
Yep.
Just that simple.

781
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,240
You know, I, I think you hit on
something, they're important

782
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:15,720
too.
It's, it's doing what's right

783
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:19,640
when you don't want to.
And I've, I've said this for a

784
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,600
while now, the we're all
striving to be the best

785
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,200
disciples of Jesus Christ we can
be, right?

786
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,160
Well, what's the root root word
of disciple discipline, right?

787
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,120
That's right.
And sometimes you're going to do

788
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,920
things you don't want to do.
Right.

789
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,640
But you do them anyway because
it's the right thing.

790
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,440
That's right.
Motivation is fickle.

791
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Motivation comes and it goes,
right?

792
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,000
You can walk out of church on
Sunday feeling really motivated

793
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,680
to do a good job, but applying
discipline is something else,

794
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,320
right?
It's easy to do what's right

795
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,240
when you're motivated.
It's something else to do it

796
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,520
from being disciplined.
And that's something that I

797
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,000
think the law of sacrifice
teaches us real well, is how to

798
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,640
discipline yourself so you can
become a good disciple, a better

799
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,160
husband and a better father.
Exactly right.

800
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,560
I agree with that completely.
So, so let's let's look again,

801
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,160
what is our trajectory?
Our trajectory is to follow in

802
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,040
the footsteps of our Heavenly
parents.

803
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Now, how would it be when we get
on our knees and we're really

804
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,040
struggling and we know we're not
worth much and we haven't

805
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,240
behaved very well, but we get
our knees and we're pleading

806
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,640
with the Lord for help and
guidance and direction and

807
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,640
forgiveness and all those
things.

808
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,840
And he's up there and going, you
know, I just, I don't feel like

809
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,240
helping him today.
Right.

810
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,400
Right.
You know, I just don't.

811
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,760
I just don't.
Maybe tomorrow, but not today.

812
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,520
You know, you wouldn't even put
that kind of condition in in

813
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,360
godhood.
You just wouldn't do it.

814
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,000
So what we're doing and when we
understand these covenants,

815
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,960
we're in training.
We're in training to become like

816
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,120
God, and that's a lot of work
because we're not naturally

817
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,440
inclined to to be as good as
they are.

818
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,360
We're just not.
And so the if we look at the law

819
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,200
of sacrifice as a training
principle, it is helping us

820
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,080
achieve our goal of becoming
like our heavenly parents, like

821
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,800
God, like our heavenly mothers.
That's what we're trying to be.

822
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,480
Then it after we understand that
Brother Brigham says, is it

823
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,640
really a sacrifice, giving
pebbles for gold?

824
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:43,280
It's not a sacrifice.
So, so, but we promise to do

825
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,720
that because again, our heavenly
parents have been through this

826
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,480
earthly probation.
They've been through mortality

827
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,360
as we have.
They know the struggles.

828
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,040
And so they know you're going to
need to make this commitment

829
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,720
because it's not going to be
easy at times to obey the law of

830
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,480
God.
You're just not going to feel

831
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,200
like it.
Right.

832
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,400
But you make this, this, this
emphasizes this.

833
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Just like you're not going to
want to be a good husband all

834
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,960
the time, you're not going to
want to be a Good Wife all the

835
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,560
time.
You're not going to want to be a

836
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,880
good parent all the time.
But apply the law of sacrifice

837
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,400
that says this is required of
me.

838
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:27,280
This is what how God would be in
my situation today or other

839
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,120
people.
This is what would the Lord do

840
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,440
in my circumstances today.
That is the standard, not how I

841
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,880
feel, but how I should be, and
that helps us improve.

842
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,800
Take a step up.
Take another step up that ladder

843
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,800
to the Prophet Joseph's talking
about.

844
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Isaac, I can agree.
So yeah.

845
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,240
So we go from there, we go from
the law of sacrifice to the law

846
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,200
of the gospel, law of the gospel
again.

847
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,680
Could you could you really
covenant to do more then be

848
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,440
obedient to the law of God?
It's hard to, but we don't.

849
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,800
We only understand the law of
God to a small degree.

850
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:17,000
The law of the gospel spells it
out in a easy way for us to

851
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,800
begin to understand and it says
the scriptures are before you.

852
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,720
Read the scriptures and you'll
find my law.

853
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,720
Absolutely.
And so dig into them.

854
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:35,680
Dig into them you you promise to
live the law of the gospel as

855
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:42,360
contained in my scriptures and
on top of that just to reinforce

856
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,680
it.
It's already in the scriptures,

857
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,160
but to reinforce it stop talking
bad about other people.

858
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,280
Don't use my name in vain.
And you know you can.

859
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,760
I know you've already talked
about these things.

860
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,480
I'm just trying to get through
them.

861
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:03,240
But, but this is it takes away
excuses when you start, when you

862
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,320
can see why the Lord's laid out
these covenants the way he has.

863
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:12,680
He really tries to put a fine
point on the details as you move

864
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,520
along.
So it takes away the ambiguity

865
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,520
and so it becomes clearer and
clearer if you're paying

866
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,120
attention.
This is the way I need to go.

867
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,040
So I need to dig into the
scriptures.

868
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,680
I need to find out what the Lord
has said.

869
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,280
I need to find out the
commandments that is the law of

870
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,360
God as far as the steps I need
to take right now, that is the

871
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,680
law of God.
I promise to live the law of

872
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,560
God.
I need to do that.

873
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:47,000
I double down on my agreement
here and and he spells it out a

874
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,160
little finer, but but that's
basically what he's saying as as

875
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:56,200
I understand it, the law of God
is before you dig it out, agree

876
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,600
to live it in detail.
Not generally and the general

877
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,400
idea, but agree to live it in
detail.

878
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,320
Right.
Can can I just say something

879
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,320
about this real quick, Isaac?
Sure.

880
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,520
There's a part in the in the law
of the Gospel that talks about

881
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,240
no evil.
Speaking of the Lord's anointed.

882
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Now, my time in the LDS Church,
I, I immediately went to, well,

883
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,960
you don't speak bad about the
president of the church or the

884
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,320
quorum of the 12 or your sake
president or your Bishop, right?

885
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,200
I think it's deeper than that,
right?

886
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,920
Because as you pointed out in
those initiatories, there is an

887
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,320
anointing that happens, a
preparatory anointing, but an

888
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,480
anointing nonetheless.
And I want to bring it back to

889
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,160
the marriage contract a little
bit, right?

890
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,960
Don't.
Your wife has been anointed.

891
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,960
You have been anointed.
Don't speak bad about one

892
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,720
another, right?
If you got a beef with your

893
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,480
spouse, you go to your spouse.
You don't go tell somebody else.

894
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,400
You keep that between you and
them.

895
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,160
Do not speak evil of one
another.

896
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,040
Nothing I can think of, nothing
that will poison a well faster

897
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,200
than that.
I remember there was a young man

898
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,360
that I had hired once when I
worked back in Idaho who was a

899
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,920
return missionary, got married
and, and this is about the time

900
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,200
where I was starting to take
things a little more seriously,

901
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,720
right?
I was starting to really trying

902
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,000
to peel back the the layers on
this.

903
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,920
And he was kind of complaining
about his wife.

904
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,320
And I was like, I don't want to
hear it at all, ever.

905
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,920
If you have a problem with your
wife, you go work it out with

906
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,000
her, but don't talk bad about
her around here.

907
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,960
I was like, I'm going to
overlook those because I know

908
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,720
how dudes are and so, but
there's a lot of other guys who

909
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,760
aren't.
And why would you ever poison

910
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,800
that well and speak bad about
the person you are supposed to

911
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,560
be?
Pardon the expression there.

912
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Ride or die no matter what,
right?

913
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,680
You always have their back.
Don't don't do that right.

914
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,080
And so and so with with some of
this, I would say that that

915
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,360
promise not speak evil of the
Lord's anointed does extend to

916
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,160
your spouse.
I agree completely.

917
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,240
I I ask people, I I use that
same analogy that you do.

918
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,000
How do you know who's been
anointed of the Lord?

919
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,960
Right.
They could be all around you.

920
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,480
Yep.
But let let's look deeper.

921
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,400
What's the Lord trying to
accomplish through these

922
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,960
covenants?
He's trying to point out the

923
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,600
kind of character that can be
exalted.

924
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:41,200
And I just asked people, who do
you think the Lord would

925
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,440
authorize you to speak evil of?
Right.

926
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,720
Right.
Who you know, so he says things

927
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,160
in a way they go, Oh yeah,
you're right, they're anointed

928
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,520
of of the Lord.
I shouldn't speak evil of them.

929
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,960
What's he trying to do there?
He's trying to develop this

930
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,080
discipline that you talked about
earlier.

931
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,840
Guard against speaking evil of
anybody, because you don't know

932
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,840
who's anointed of the Lord.
Guard against that.

933
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,720
There's no virtue in speaking
evil of anybody.

934
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,880
There's no virtue in that.
Right.

935
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,640
So guard against that and again,
just puts another fine point on

936
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,960
how we should behave.
And here's another opportunity

937
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,440
for the law of sacrifice.
Well, you're in the bad habit of

938
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,920
speaking evil of others.
What comes to your mind all the

939
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,720
time, opportunities to speak
evil of others.

940
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,920
There is the application of the
law of sacrifice.

941
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,040
You remind yourself, you know,
if you're, if you're actively

942
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,400
trying to do this, that will
come right to your mind before

943
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,880
your mouth opens.
It's.

944
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,840
Part of this, the work of the
Spirit of the Lord, it'll come

945
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,520
right to your mind.
You shouldn't do this.

946
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:53,000
And we make a choice and we we
either feel guilty about our

947
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,520
choice or we're grateful we made
the right choice.

948
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,280
We either applied the law of
sacrifice in that moment or we

949
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,560
gave into a weakness.
Absolutely.

950
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,000
But the law of the Gospel begins
to define in a little clearer,

951
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,000
finer point, what the law of God
is and how to apply it on an

952
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,920
everyday basis.
And the light slipping my mind.

953
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,520
But there's another part of the
law of gospel.

954
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,920
Oh yes, and this, this applies
to marriage.

955
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,360
And I, I think this is important
to remember because he does talk

956
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,600
in general terms in the law of
the gospel in that covenant in

957
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:39,800
the end, that you will avoid all
unholy and impure practices of

958
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,240
any kind.
And so go, OK, would you?

959
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,360
I mean, let's look at the Savior
and, and his his parents.

960
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,200
Our parents are on next level
compared to him.

961
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,360
And yet he's the example of the
standard.

962
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,960
Would you consider him doing
anything unholy or impure?

963
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,560
No, he just wouldn't picture
that.

964
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,040
No, no, wouldn't picture that.
So he's, he's reminding us in

965
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,600
that covenant to look at your
life, examine it and are you

966
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,160
working towards this standard of
purity of excellence, if you

967
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:21,120
will, of the, the qualities that
you have to abide in that you

968
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,000
have to develop if you're going
to follow in our footsteps.

969
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,480
So every unholy and impure
practice has to get set over on

970
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,000
that law of sacrifice.
If it's, if it's a coarse

971
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,520
language, if it's coarse
behavior, whatever the case may

972
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,720
be, we have to start to look at
that and say, is this abiding in

973
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,040
the law of God or is this
beneath the law of God?

974
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,680
And then we apply the the law of
sacrifice to that in our daily

975
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,360
lives.
Before we move on to the next

976
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,480
one, I want, I'm sorry, I I must
keep derailing you and I

977
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,400
apologize.
No.

978
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,760
That's fine.
Speaking to that point, there

979
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,720
every, every unholy and impure
practice.

980
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,480
Sometimes I think the Lord threw
that in there, 'cause he's like,

981
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,960
yeah, these guys are going to
try to, like, find all sorts of

982
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,360
loopholes.
Right.

983
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,120
And I'm just going to give a
blanket statement here, right?

984
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,080
And it reminds me it, it kind of
reminds me of a movie once you,

985
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,480
you ever been like, it was on
one of those nights where I was

986
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,960
sick and just couldn't sleep.
Have you ever had those more

987
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,800
likely poles?
And you just can't.

988
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,560
And so I, I was like, I'm not
going to keep tossing and

989
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,720
turning here.
Keep keep amber up.

990
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,280
So I went ahead and I went and I
sat in my recliner and gosh,

991
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,440
this was probably the better
part of 20 years ago now.

992
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,200
But I was flipping through the
TV and I just got wrapped up in

993
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,200
this old black and white movie.
And for the life of me, I don't

994
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,400
know what the name of the movie
is.

995
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,040
I couldn't even tell you who the
actors are.

996
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,400
They, they weren't that
recognizable to me.

997
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,160
But it was black and white and
it followed the story of a

998
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,120
doctor and a lawyer.
And they, they became the best

999
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,680
of friends, although they were
kind of that frenemies kind of a

1000
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,880
thing, right?
Where, where, you know, they

1001
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,400
would just challenge each other,
right.

1002
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,440
The, the doctor was a very godly
and moral man.

1003
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,720
And the, the the attorney was
one who would tend to do what's

1004
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,000
right, but only when, when after
he'd been beat up a little bit

1005
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,840
by this doctor verbally to do to
do the right thing.

1006
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,680
And it shows him later in life
and the attorneys on the on his

1007
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,600
deathbed.
And he's just shows him reading

1008
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,160
the Bible as the doctor walks
in.

1009
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,040
He's like, oh, so now that
you're getting close to the end,

1010
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,800
you thought you better take up
religion, huh?

1011
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,600
And he's like, no, I'm just
looking for loopholes.

1012
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,760
And I think so that that part of
the covenant there that that

1013
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,880
talks about, hey, no, no, no,
has a phrase.

1014
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,160
I'm sorry, I'm blanking now.
Every other unholy and impure

1015
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,240
practice, that's a black blanket
statement.

1016
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,400
There are no loopholes in that,
right?

1017
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,720
And we all know.
We know, right?

1018
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,320
And we all we do.
But we all know.

1019
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,360
OK.
Is this written down somewhere?

1020
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,040
No.
But does it feel good?

1021
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,960
Right.
And that should be a pretty big

1022
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,720
dead giveaway that, hey, you're
engaged in one of those

1023
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,200
practices you need to put on the
altar and surrender.

1024
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:13,800
That's right.
One of the things that that's

1025
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,040
helpful to for me to remember is
when we talk about temple

1026
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,960
ordinances, this process that
we're walking through these

1027
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,800
these rings of the ladder is the
purpose is to refine us.

1028
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,720
Right.
It, it's a cleaning up, it's a,

1029
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,800
it's a dusting off it, it is
preparing us to be able to carry

1030
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,760
more.
And this word, I don't know how,

1031
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,440
a better word, but it, it's
making us more trustworthy.

1032
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,320
You know what is being offered
to us.

1033
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,840
And we read Section 76.
Those who are exalted in the

1034
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,320
highest degree of the celestial
Kingdom, all power is given unto

1035
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,560
them.
Our, our heavenly parents, the

1036
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,280
gods, if you will, guard this
power and only give it to those

1037
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,880
who can be trusted with it.
And so if we can't be trusted

1038
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,600
with ourselves, can we be given
more power?

1039
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,920
No, no, no, we can't.
So, so this discipline, this,

1040
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:19,280
this refining, this subjecting
ourselves to a higher law than

1041
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,720
our natural inclinations would
naturally go is part of the

1042
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,600
process of following after the
law of God.

1043
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,200
We, we have to recognize that we
have a lot of improvement to

1044
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,440
make.
And in that humility we begin to

1045
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,960
apply these laws and principles
and make these changes in our

1046
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,280
characters.
You know, the Savior says to the

1047
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,880
Nephites, when he was standing
in their presence, he says, the

1048
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Father had given me a
commandment and I to tell you

1049
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,080
that no unclean thing can enter
into his Kingdom, can enter into

1050
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,080
his presence.
He says no unclean thing.

1051
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,640
And he doesn't say, well,
believe on me and I'll clean you

1052
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,400
up.
He says this most important

1053
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,600
commandment.
He says therefore all men

1054
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,440
everywhere must repent, and
that's the key.

1055
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,760
Sacrifice is repentance.
The law of sacrifice is the

1056
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,360
application of repentance.
The law of the gospel is telling

1057
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,920
us, search it out and find out
what you need to repent up.

1058
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,440
Apply yourself to this standard
that's laid out in the

1059
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,640
Scriptures.
Apply yourself to that.

1060
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:30,160
Measure yourself in your daily
life to that standard, and then

1061
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,080
you're going to see that you're
going to need to apply the law

1062
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,120
of sacrifice, set some things
aside, give them up for

1063
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,640
something better.
And that better is a more godly

1064
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,480
character, a more godly
condition.

1065
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,040
You'll be a better husband,
you'll be a better wife, you'll

1066
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:51,040
be a better parent.
And so the law of the gospel.

1067
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,320
Then where do we go from there?
We go to the to the law of

1068
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,520
chastity.
And of course that fits right in

1069
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,480
with marriage.
And you've discussed this

1070
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,720
already, but it it goes back to
that trustworthy if you can't

1071
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,800
control yourself, can you be
trusted?

1072
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,800
If you're willing to to defile
yourself with others, can you be

1073
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,800
trusted with an eternal
existence, can even be trusted

1074
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,800
with one wife?
Brother Brigham says no.

1075
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,640
Right.
So the law of chastity again

1076
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:28,080
puts a finer point on our
responsibilities.

1077
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,680
You have to govern your
thoughts, you have to govern

1078
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,920
your conduct.
And when that natural man creeps

1079
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,280
in there, which it does for
everybody, when the natural man

1080
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,760
creeps in, you recognize it.
And you say, I have made

1081
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,960
covenants, I have obligations,
and I will not cross that

1082
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,200
barrier, and I sacrifice those
feelings.

1083
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,720
And if I do that enough, that
will no longer be a temptation.

1084
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,960
Right.
Not again.

1085
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,320
It's just reinforcing the
standard.

1086
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:05,760
Absolutely.
And because of my time in the

1087
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,120
LDS church and some callings I
had fulfilled, I got a front row

1088
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,320
seat from time to time on the
devastation that that breach

1089
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,600
trust causes.
And the thing that I'm always,

1090
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:27,000
always shocked at is the amount
of at the very least, ignoring

1091
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,040
worst case scenario, just not
caring of all the other

1092
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,040
covenants you have to break
first to even put yourself into

1093
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,720
a position to where you'd
violate the law of chastity in

1094
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,200
that way.
Because that's not something

1095
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,560
like when someone says it was
just an accident.

1096
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,600
And maybe I'm a little harsh on
this.

1097
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,479
I'm like, that's no accident,
right?

1098
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,439
There were many things that had
you have happened before you

1099
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:59,800
found yourself in this position.
And I think there's a reason

1100
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,160
that one carries so much weight,
right?

1101
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,680
There's a reason I think it's
placed in the endowment where it

1102
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,560
is for a reason.
And to violate that one, I think

1103
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,720
shows, like I said, at least
ignoring the rest of the

1104
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,359
covenant you made-up to that
point.

1105
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,640
I agree.
I agree.

1106
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,680
And, and you know, that's one of
the blessings I, I mentioned

1107
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,240
earlier, the garment that is
given to us, the garment of the

1108
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,800
holy priesthood, it is given to
us that if we'll keep our

1109
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,319
covenants, it will be a
protection against the

1110
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:38,080
adversary.
OK, In order for us to break or

1111
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,560
in, in order for us to breach
this trust and break the law of

1112
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,479
chastity, we have to disregard
that, don't we?

1113
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,479
We have to forget the covenants
that we've made that are

1114
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:56,320
reminded us through the just the
wearing of that reminder, if you

1115
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,560
will, of our commitment to go
this direction.

1116
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,720
Absolutely.
I mean, in simple terms, I know

1117
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:09,840
it's more complex than that, but
in simple terms, the law to

1118
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,400
break the law of chastity after
we have made these covenants

1119
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,680
that we have made, if we've
entered in this way as far as we

1120
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:26,000
have so far.
It it puts us in a very bad spot

1121
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:32,480
because we're not doing this
ignorantly at this point and so

1122
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,560
it is a serious offense.
And I.

1123
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,280
Don't want to destroy hope for
anybody, but let's not get

1124
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,400
ourselves in that condition
because if we have been abiding

1125
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,960
in these other covenants and
working on them, we don't get to

1126
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,400
that place.
Right.

1127
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,560
We just don't get there.
And that I, I think we have to

1128
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,960
focus on that.
OK, so that we mentioned that

1129
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,680
the law of vengeance, we didn't
mention that, but that helps us

1130
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,920
too.
Yeah.

1131
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:07,360
Not just in connection with the
Lord's justice, but but how do

1132
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:13,120
we treat people and are we
guilty of of doing anything that

1133
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:21,440
is unjust, anything that is
reprehensible to the law of

1134
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,880
justice and we can we can
measure ourselves.

1135
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,320
We don't.
I like the law of vengeance in

1136
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,880
in this way.
If a nation or any nation is

1137
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:42,240
willing to condone the hurt or
harm to innocence and to and

1138
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,080
persecution of the prophets in
any way, I want to be separate

1139
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,280
from them in this sense.
I do not respect that

1140
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,360
government.
If it's going to do that, it

1141
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,000
separates me from that.
You know, the Savior says my

1142
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,560
Kingdom is not of this world.
And I think that's helpful for

1143
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,360
us to remember.
As much as I appreciate the

1144
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:09,160
United States and and the
Constitution and our founding

1145
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,680
and the Lord is behind all that
and we wouldn't have the

1146
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,000
opportunities to live our
religion without it, I have to

1147
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,200
acknowledge that there has when
leaders exhibit poor behavior,

1148
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,000
it affects the country.
Yep.

1149
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,760
And I don't support the country
when the leaders are exhibiting

1150
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,000
poor behavior.
Absolutely.

1151
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,480
No, I'm not going to turn
against the country, but I'm not

1152
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:37,280
going to support that bad
behavior.

1153
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:43,840
Absolutely, absolutely.
I remember so I was always kind

1154
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,440
of a weird kid growing up.
I was a bit of a was a bit of a

1155
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:49,400
hell raiser.
At the same time, I was the kind

1156
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,320
of hell raiser that would listen
to Rush Limbaugh on my radio as

1157
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,440
I was doing it.
And so I was always a little bit

1158
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,240
right of center, right.
Let me say that.

1159
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,080
And on the abortion issue, I was
always right of center on that

1160
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,480
one too.
And then I remember we adopted

1161
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:09,240
our twins and I saw them scrap
for every breath of life they

1162
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,280
took and, and how life really is
the default setting, if you

1163
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:22,360
will, of all creatures.
And in that moment, I became

1164
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,960
very right of center on that
issue.

1165
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,760
And I remember at one point I
was talking to a good friend who

1166
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,960
was Mormon as well.
And I just said, I wish.

1167
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,480
And this was before I knew about
the oath of vengeance, right?

1168
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,720
And I remember thinking, saying
to him out loud as we were

1169
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,440
talking about this, I wish there
was a way I could make a

1170
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:48,720
declaration that that's not in
my name, right?

1171
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,520
That I want no part of that.
And then, you know, about 5-10

1172
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,640
years later, I discovered this
oath of vengeance.

1173
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:56,640
I'm like, oh, well, there it
was.

1174
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,680
It was there the whole time.
I just didn't know about it.

1175
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,840
But that's a way, quite frankly,
I think that's a way where we

1176
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,440
can shake the blood and sins of
this generation from our skirts.

1177
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,400
That's right.
But also, there's another

1178
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:11,880
beautiful thing that happens
with that.

1179
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,120
And that is when we do take that
oath and we leave the vengeance

1180
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:23,320
part to the Lord, that frees us
up to now focus on healing the

1181
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:29,120
offended party, right?
And look, that can work inside

1182
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,960
personal relationships just as
much as that can work on the on

1183
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,120
the macro level, the national
level, right?

1184
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:44,080
If we would just give our our
desire for retribution to God

1185
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,080
and then just focus on healing
relationships, we'd be in much

1186
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,120
better shape as people.
Much better.

1187
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,800
Shape, I agree.
I agree.

1188
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,840
That's not our job and never has
been given us to do.

1189
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,200
Vengeance is mine, saith the
Lord, and I will repay, and we

1190
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,760
have to remember that.
But it is important.

1191
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,520
I think it says it tells us this
in the 1880 revelation that

1192
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,400
Wilford Woodruff received for
the Council of the 12, for the

1193
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,680
quorum of the 12, where he says
I require my I've always

1194
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:17,240
required my people to importune
me for both blessings and

1195
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,840
justice.
It's part of our free agency in

1196
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:26,200
the active use of our free
agency that authorizes God to do

1197
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,600
what he needs to do.
It's just part of that eternal

1198
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,840
law program is we have to seek
after it, whether it be our

1199
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,880
blessings or whether it be
justice upon the earth.

1200
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,560
And that's that's part, that's
why the scriptures are full of

1201
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:46,320
examples of the innocent blood
crying out to God because it

1202
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,920
it's just part of the deal.
It has to be dealt with.

1203
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,600
It has to be dealt with and we
don't want to be partakers of

1204
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,840
the sins that look in
differently towards injustice,

1205
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,160
right?
We don't want to be part of that

1206
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,120
society.
We're trying to be part of the

1207
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,080
Kingdom of God and we're trying
to follow in the footsteps of

1208
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,480
our heavenly parents.
Now you go back to to abortion

1209
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,560
and think about the efforts that
have been made by Heavenly

1210
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,320
parents to give us the
opportunities of mortality.

1211
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,640
How disrespectful can we be?
Absolutely.

1212
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,080
Through the efforts that have
been made in our behalf to

1213
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,360
disregard life.
We can't go there.

1214
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,480
We have to separate ourselves
from that way of thinking

1215
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,880
completely.
Couldn't agree with you more,

1216
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,480
Isaac.
So there's a lot of vengeance.

1217
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:45,000
And again, we look at that
throughout our lives.

1218
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:51,080
What are what, what are we doing
on the micro level, if you will,

1219
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,160
to encourage justice in our
families, to encourage dealing

1220
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,960
with problems appropriately?
Mercy can't rob justice.

1221
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,280
Justice can't rob mercy.
There has to be a working

1222
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,760
together there.
How are we learning how to

1223
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,800
administer the law of God within
our own family as husbands and

1224
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:15,720
wives, parents?
And so we have to be careful how

1225
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,680
we do that.
Recognizing that God is always

1226
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,920
just keeps us humble.
It keeps us in the place where

1227
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,200
we recognize we have to always
be just.

1228
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,520
And I, if I forget, I need to
touch on that a little bit later

1229
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,640
when we talk about the sealing
of the Holy Spirit of promise.

1230
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,240
But that's very important to be
just and true.

1231
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,680
Absolutely.
So the the next one is the law

1232
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:44,200
of consecration and this one,
again, it's laid out in the

1233
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,400
scriptures.
We promised in Law of Gospel to

1234
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,440
search out the Scriptures and
see how we're supposed to live.

1235
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,400
A lot of consecration.
I know this was just covered,

1236
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,000
but it is emphatic that we
understand that this is the

1237
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,120
condition you and I can live
every day.

1238
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:06,160
And that is a dedicated,
consecrated life to God.

1239
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,840
Now you get enough of those
people together, you can have a

1240
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,200
united order and it can be a
beautiful thing.

1241
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,200
But we make that covenant
between US and God that we will

1242
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,800
take all of our resources,
everything the Lord has given

1243
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,120
us, our time, our talents,
everything the Lord gives us,

1244
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,000
and that we will make sure and
use it to build up his Kingdom

1245
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,840
and establish science.
That is one of the more refining

1246
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,960
principles that we're talking
about in this in this steps of

1247
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,920
progression and that affects the
family.

1248
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,520
You know, when we talked about
this marriage contract, this

1249
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,080
beginning of a family that
affects the family, how are we

1250
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,080
going to reuse our resources?
Are we, are we only going to be

1251
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,040
interested in taking care of our
family?

1252
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,640
Are we interested in building up
the Kingdom of God and

1253
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,240
establishing Zion?
How are we going to use the

1254
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,440
resources that what Lord has
blessed us with?

1255
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,680
We both made a covenant, right,
that we would use all our

1256
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,200
resources to build up His
Kingdom.

1257
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:11,680
Part of that is taking care of
this family.

1258
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,360
Right.
But we are not selfish.

1259
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,520
We are following in the pathway
of our Heavenly Parents.

1260
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,200
And what are they doing?
Why they've dedicated all this

1261
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,920
time, all this matter, all
everything to give us an

1262
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,760
opportunity to follow in their
footsteps.

1263
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,640
They're exhibiting no degree of
selfishness.

1264
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,040
How do we develop that?
By applying the law of

1265
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,360
consecration in our lives.
That's how we do that.

1266
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,720
Absolutely.
There, there's no longer too

1267
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,960
many people.
It, it's well, I'll give and

1268
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,800
I'll, I'll give my 10% or I'll
give this or that.

1269
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,040
And lot of tithing has an
important aspect.

1270
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,600
I don't want to speak against
that because that is a very

1271
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,920
important aspect.
But the people that are trying

1272
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:03,560
to live the law of consecration,
they're thinking differently

1273
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,600
than most people.
They're thinking about what can

1274
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,040
I do?
Everything that's been

1275
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,080
entrusted.
Into my care, into my

1276
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:17,120
jurisdiction needs to be used
for a sacred purpose.

1277
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,920
Now what is that, Father?
Right.

1278
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,080
And and that that begins again,
going back to trustworthy, you

1279
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:32,240
have to develop trustworthiness.
And how are you going to do it

1280
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,240
except learn by give you give.
We give our young people

1281
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,200
something and say now go to and
see what you'll do with it.

1282
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,880
And and so it is with our
heavenly parents.

1283
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,800
They entrust us with the family,
for instance, what are you going

1284
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,600
to do with it?
Are you going to do something

1285
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,440
good, honorable or something
else?

1286
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,560
And and so it is the law of
consecration is for me.

1287
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:06,000
It's one of the exalting
principles that exalting

1288
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,640
covenants, if you will, As we
truly try to apply that

1289
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:15,200
principle, it refines us because
it refines us on the most basic

1290
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:22,960
of levels to really act at our
core, to learn how to dedicate

1291
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,120
our heart and all of our
resources to something bigger

1292
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:34,040
than us.
You know, we, we talked about

1293
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,480
the law of sacrifice a little
bit just a few minutes ago and

1294
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,240
that talks about, you know, even
being willing to give up your

1295
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,880
lives is necessary, right?
And then we go to consecration

1296
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,120
and I'm like, I remember when I
was younger going through the

1297
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,480
temple a lot going, OK, so
what's the difference there?

1298
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,440
It took me a good few years to,
to, to even come up with an

1299
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,480
idea.
And it took me a couple more

1300
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:58,400
just to kind of expound and be
able to talk intelligently.

1301
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,360
But sometimes I think we look at
dying for something as the

1302
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,880
ultimate sacrifice, and I don't
want to take away from that.

1303
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,880
I think that is the ultimate
sacrifice.

1304
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,960
But sometimes living for
something can be even harder

1305
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:15,880
because you know what?
Absolutely.

1306
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,480
You're going to get up the next
day and you're going to do it

1307
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,040
again and you're going to do it
again and you're going to do it

1308
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,200
again.
And sometimes I think

1309
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:28,920
consecration is, is way more
about the heart than it is

1310
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,920
anything else, right?
And I remember here not too long

1311
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,280
ago, I watched the documentary.
I watched too.

1312
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,520
One was about Michael Jordan and
one was about Tom Brady.

1313
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,120
Now this is going somewhere.
I'm sorry to bring up something

1314
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,360
this crude into this
conversation, but it's going

1315
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:49,000
somewhere.
And we all lauded them for their

1316
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,400
abilities on the court and on
the field, right?

1317
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,320
And we just thought, man, what
would it be like to have that

1318
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,640
much talent?
What we didn't see was all the

1319
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,480
stuff they did in preparation to
that, right?

1320
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,960
All the hours they spent either
in the gym or on the field or in

1321
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,760
the film room or whatever,
right?

1322
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,840
And I'm like, oh, I see, it was
a consecrated life now.

1323
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:16,560
A consecrated life to maybe
something less known, but

1324
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,800
nonetheless, it was a
consecrated life.

1325
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:23,600
Now, how does this apply to us?
How bad do we want it?

1326
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,360
How bad do we really want it,
right?

1327
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,840
And I think that's what the law
of consecration is there for is

1328
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,280
at first it's going to show us
probably not as much as we want,

1329
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,800
but as we move along and
hopefully sooner than later, we

1330
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,920
can get our eyes fixed on the
proper goal and want that with

1331
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,880
everything we got.
So not only are we going to

1332
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,040
consecrate our resources to the
Kingdom of God, but we should be

1333
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,200
willing to consecrate and live a
consecrated life for our

1334
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,440
marriages, for our families,
right?

1335
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,440
How bad do you want to see your
family in the Celestial Kingdom

1336
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,680
with you?
For me, it's everything, right?

1337
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,680
That's why, that's why I'm here.
That's why why I'm talking to

1338
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,360
you, right, is because it's what
motivates me in the end.

1339
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,720
Now, I have a long ways to go.
I am far from perfect at

1340
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,840
mastering this, because I am
still tempted quite frequently

1341
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,960
to do other things that are far
less noble.

1342
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,240
But nonetheless, I think it's
there to reveal First off where

1343
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,560
our heart really is, and then
show us how to get it where it

1344
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,840
needs to be.
And I think that consecrated

1345
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,840
life is all about how bad do you
want it?

1346
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:32,320
I agree.
I agree.

1347
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,080
You don't.
You don't find out at where your

1348
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,640
heart is, what your heart is
centered on, until you put in a

1349
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,640
situation to see.
Right.

1350
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,480
To see And so here we go.
Lord blesses us with three

1351
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:47,720
sources.
Are we going to be those

1352
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,280
resources?
Are there ours or are they given

1353
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,560
to us for a sacred purpose?
That sacred purpose might be

1354
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,720
buying some food for our kids,
but then nevertheless, that's

1355
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,040
what it needs to be used for.
It's not used or we don't have

1356
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,680
our hearts set upon those
riches.

1357
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,440
We don't have our hearts set
upon the things of this world.

1358
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,480
Everything that we're given and
we still have to change this

1359
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,840
mindset.
Everything we we are given as a

1360
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:17,360
tool to do something good with.
That's how the gods operate.

1361
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,560
Yep.
They're not fighting over stuff

1362
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:20,880
up there.
You're right.

1363
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,800
He says there is plenty to build
with up there.

1364
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,120
They're not fighting over it.
Right.

1365
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,400
They're using it for good
purposes.

1366
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,520
And so if we want to follow in
their footsteps, we have to

1367
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:39,440
learn how to do the same.
We have to learn how to to, to

1368
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:43,880
mold our heart and our mind into
thinking bigger than our

1369
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:49,600
selfish, selfish selves that we
are inclined to do as natural

1370
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,280
men.
And this So again, this is a

1371
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,720
refining principle, a refining
law.

1372
01:25:55,400 --> 01:26:00,760
And Brother Brigham calls these
two laws the law of consecration

1373
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,920
and the law of celestial
marriage, as the crowning

1374
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,400
principles of the gospel.
Why?

1375
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,680
Because they pull the most out
of us if we will apply

1376
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:13,200
ourselves, they will purify the
most if we will apply ourselves

1377
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:17,440
to them.
And I think that's key is

1378
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,920
recognizing that all of these
covenants that we make to obey

1379
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,200
these laws is for purpose.
And that purpose is to refine

1380
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,880
us, to mold us, to get us into a
better condition that can be

1381
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:35,280
trustworthy.
Trustworthy to become, well, to

1382
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,720
a degree, is, as Joseph Smith
says there.

1383
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,840
We're not going to get it all
figured out in this life to

1384
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,200
become like the gods.
That's understandable.

1385
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,240
But we have to get to a place
where we can take this body and

1386
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,840
go into the next class.
Absolutely.

1387
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,040
And that's pretty important.
And we've got to learn how to

1388
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,560
discipline ourselves.
We've got to learn how to refine

1389
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,880
ourselves.
And this is all spelled out in

1390
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:03,280
these covenants.
And so with that in mind, these

1391
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,360
are the type of people that made
these covenants that now enter

1392
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,440
into this marriage contract.
And so this is what kind of

1393
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,360
husband they're trying to be,
and this is what kind of wife

1394
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,560
they're trying to be.
And these are the kind of

1395
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,320
parents they're going to strive
to be as they have children that

1396
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:24,960
are going in this trajectory,
applying the law of the law of

1397
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,320
God as the sovereign in their
lives.

1398
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,920
As for me and my house, we serve
the Lord, right?

1399
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,800
They're applying the law of
sacrifice when it comes in, when

1400
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:38,320
their natural tendencies come in
conflict with the law of God,

1401
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,000
their understanding and
searching the scriptures and

1402
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,480
being able to learn that all of
the scriptures, the law of the

1403
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:48,360
gospel applies to them and how
do I apply this?

1404
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,000
And they're, they're committed
to that and they're teaching

1405
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,120
their family to do the same.
The law of chastity, they're

1406
01:27:56,120 --> 01:28:00,560
guarding from anything of that
nature and law of vengeance are

1407
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,760
trying to be just and true and
seeking the Lord to establish

1408
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,560
his justice upon the earth.
And then the law of

1409
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,520
consecration, everything that
comes into this family, this is

1410
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,880
now a family is this groom and
this bride are now a family.

1411
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,880
Everything that comes under
their jurisdiction, under their

1412
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,480
control, they're using as God
would use it to the best of

1413
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:27,200
their understanding.
And, and we're, we're talking

1414
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,040
generally about the covenants of
the endowment, but with the,

1415
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,440
with the rest of the endowment,
there's a great deal.

1416
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:36,000
You're taught how to pray and
you're taught why, because you

1417
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,760
need more guidance and direction
on how to do all this.

1418
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,800
You need the Lord's help and in
doing all this.

1419
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,000
And so I don't want to leave
that out.

1420
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,880
This, this family that is being
created here is a prayerful

1421
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,040
family.
They're seeking the counsel and

1422
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,800
direction of the Lord because
they know they can't figure it

1423
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,280
out without them.
And this is one of the keys that

1424
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,000
that one of the examples were
were taught throughout the

1425
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,800
endowment ceremony.
Why Adam needs more light and

1426
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,920
knowledge.
Well, so do we.

1427
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,880
We need more light and
knowledge.

1428
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,400
And that's one of the blessings
that were given to this process.

1429
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,080
And so that that sets a table
for this marriage.

1430
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:21,080
These people understand the
direction they want to go.

1431
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,640
They understand the laws that
they're supposed to abide in and

1432
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,040
they understand God.
They need God to help them

1433
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:34,560
accomplish that.
Now they so they enter into this

1434
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:39,840
covenant and this agreement that
they will fulfill this and I

1435
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,200
want to focus on this word
fulfill.

1436
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:47,320
We've talked about these
covenants, these covenants that

1437
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,640
they've made.
Now these are the laws, rights,

1438
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:55,200
and ordinances pertaining to
this holy order of matrimony.

1439
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,440
They've agreed to fulfill that,
and that word fulfill is

1440
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:03,040
different.
I David was telling me that that

1441
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,200
word has been changed in some of
the versions of this marriage

1442
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,200
covenant.
It's been changed from fulfill

1443
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,400
to accept and keep.
There's not a lot of difference,

1444
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:17,720
but I like the word fulfill.
And this fulfill is in the

1445
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:22,320
marriage ceremony as as printed
in 1853.

1446
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:27,000
That's the one that is that I'm
familiar with is the oldest copy

1447
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,640
that we have, the oldest version
1853 printed in the Seer by

1448
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,600
Orson Pratt and reprinted in the
Millennial Star the same year.

1449
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,120
But this word fulfill, I looked
it up and I just like some of

1450
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,120
the words.
So if we take these covenants

1451
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:46,600
that we've just talked about,
fulfill is to bring to

1452
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:54,920
completion a reality carry out
is required to develop the full

1453
01:30:54,920 --> 01:31:01,120
potentialities of to measure up
to or to put in effect.

1454
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,720
Those are all definitions of
fulfill.

1455
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,560
And so every, all these
covenants have a purpose to

1456
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,640
refine us, to bring us up to a
condition where God can trust us

1457
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,440
with greater power, with greater
knowledge, with greater

1458
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:21,720
responsibility.
In this holy order of matrimony,

1459
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,000
we promise to fulfill all of
those covenants.

1460
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,520
We don't forget them.
We didn't just check them off

1461
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,360
and say, well I went through
that, Now I get to be sealed.

1462
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,360
Right.
We promise to fulfill them.

1463
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:41,280
And so it increases our
responsibility in regards to it.

1464
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:49,080
So now you have a groom, you
have a bride that have agreed to

1465
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:50,200
this.
They've gone through this

1466
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:55,320
process, they've agreed to this.
Now the bank representative

1467
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,680
says, yes, you've made, you've
signed the contract.

1468
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:06,560
Let me tell you what the
blessings are and most people

1469
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,720
focus on this paragraph.
Right.

1470
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,280
And they forget the contract
part.

1471
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:17,520
But this is what we're trading
all our nonsense for, our

1472
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,760
humanity, dark flesh, This is
what we're trading all that for.

1473
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,760
And this is what the bank
representative says.

1474
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,200
I know that's not the best
analogy, but I think.

1475
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,160
No, I like it.
I really, I really do like it.

1476
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,640
I I like where you're going
here.

1477
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,120
So here, here's the
representative of the bank

1478
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,080
saying, in the name of the Lord
Jesus Christ, and by the

1479
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,040
authority of the holy
priesthood, I pronounce you

1480
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:47,600
legally and lawfully, husband
and wife, for time and for all

1481
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,160
eternity, and I seal.
And This is why we use the word

1482
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,120
seal.
And I seal upon you the

1483
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,680
blessings of the holy
resurrection with power, to come

1484
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,040
forth in the morning of the
first resurrection, clothed with

1485
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,760
glory, immortality, and eternal
lives.

1486
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,920
And I seal upon you the
blessings of Thrones and

1487
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:11,600
dominions, and principalities
and powers and exaltations,

1488
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,240
together with the blessings of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

1489
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,320
And I say unto you, Be fruitful,
and multiply and replenish the

1490
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,720
earth, that you may have joy in
rejoicing in your posterity in

1491
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,840
the day of the Lord Jesus.
All these blessings, together

1492
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,600
with all other blessings
pertaining to the new and

1493
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,920
everlasting covenant, I seal
upon your heads, and I'll just

1494
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:38,080
stop it right there for a SEC.
Now look at all of that that is

1495
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,640
being extended to us.
Right.

1496
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,520
But only under this condition.
Yes.

1497
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,960
That we will fulfill this.
And so most people they go,

1498
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,080
well, I concealed and I have all
these blessings pronounced upon

1499
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,040
me.
Go back to the conditions, go

1500
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:04,000
back to the contract.
Now, because we know the our

1501
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,960
Father knows that we're going to
forget that we get to this part

1502
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,840
and we go, oh goody, here come
all the goods.

1503
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,520
Then he adds another caught
caveat right at the end.

1504
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,560
So he says, I seal all these
blessings upon you.

1505
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,480
I mean incredible blessings, the
blessings of the gods.

1506
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,600
Right.
All this is a sea I seal upon

1507
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,560
your heads, and then here it is,
here it is.

1508
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:36,320
Don't forget, my children,
through your faithfulness unto

1509
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:37,760
the end.
Right.

1510
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:43,120
And without that, without you
going back, understanding your

1511
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,800
agreement, understanding the
requirements, understanding that

1512
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,640
you're obligated to do your
part, all that we can do, the

1513
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:56,800
Scriptures tell us our part,
live up to these laws and these

1514
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,480
covenants and these rights and
these ordinances that we've

1515
01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:04,080
entered into.
Once we do that through your

1516
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,160
faithfulness unto the end, then
these things lie and wait for

1517
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,440
us.
We have a right, a just claim

1518
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:15,840
upon them, and this is done by
the authority of the holy

1519
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,960
priesthood in the name of the
Father and the Son and of the

1520
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,160
Holy Ghost.
Amen.

1521
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:26,560
Now that that is just immense.
The blessings that are offered

1522
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:32,960
there is just immense.
And yet, what kind of character

1523
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:38,120
can be trusted with these
blessings?

1524
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,000
Right.
It's that's what all of that has

1525
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,320
been laid out for us.
We've agreed to it so that we

1526
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,400
can develop the kind of
character that can be trusted

1527
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:53,400
with these kinds of blessings.
You know, blessings of Abraham,

1528
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:57,960
Isaac and Jacob, blessings of
Thrones, dominions,

1529
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,240
principalities and powers and
exaltations.

1530
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:08,160
What kind of character do we
need to be better than we are?

1531
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:13,280
Yeah, yeah, We've seen what
happens when a bad man gets some

1532
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,400
authority.
Imagine if a bad man had that

1533
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,080
authority, right?
There's a reason.

1534
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:25,120
There is a reason that the
contract part is in place,

1535
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,680
right?
And that we built on all of

1536
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,400
this.
It's so that we understand the

1537
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:35,560
things which God in his wisdom
and in his mercy have allowed

1538
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,680
mortals to get a taste of here
on earth, right?

1539
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:46,600
And gosh, I'm trying to be
careful here.

1540
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:52,440
That's why I think it is so.
And and I don't know a better

1541
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:55,400
word for it.
Damnable right, Because it will

1542
01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:02,400
damn your soul to abuse spouse
to neglect these colors make

1543
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:08,040
because this at the end, this is
what it's all about.

1544
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:13,080
And if you can't abide these for
the you know, I I know that life

1545
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:18,600
can seem long sometimes, but now
it pushing 50, right, not quite

1546
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:22,680
50, but I can see it from here.
It it goes by pretty quick,

1547
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,200
right.
And so if you can't do this, how

1548
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,720
you expect to do what the gods
do?

1549
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,680
That's right.
So there's there's something

1550
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,760
that has to change in US in
order to embrace life, in order

1551
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,160
to embrace the struggle.
What do our heavenly parents do?

1552
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:43,480
Do they have a, a cushy life?
They got to deal with us, right?

1553
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,080
They're dealing with us and that
is their joy.

1554
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,520
That is their satisfaction to
give us opportunity to work with

1555
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,920
us.
That tells us something about

1556
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:57,000
what kind of work we have to do
to develop that kind of love and

1557
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:01,160
appreciation for a soul in in
order to sacrifice and give for

1558
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:05,000
them, even when you're getting
kicked in the shin all the time.

1559
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,760
I mean, shoot, our Heavenly
parents have been blamed for

1560
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,400
everything under the sun and
still do everything wrong.

1561
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,720
And yet they just sit there and
they keep working with us and

1562
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,200
they keep working with us and
they keep working with us.

1563
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,120
That gives us an idea of, of
what this is all about.

1564
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,640
I have to become as patient as
they are.

1565
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,600
I have to be as loving and kind
as they are.

1566
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,480
I have to become as just as they
are.

1567
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,600
You know, there's a there's an
idea that amongst

1568
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:39,320
fundamentalists and I pick it up
amongst many in the church that

1569
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:43,200
if they just they go to the
temple and they can get words

1570
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,960
like this said over them by some
authority that they recognize

1571
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:51,120
they've got it made.
You mentioned it earlier and and

1572
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:56,000
I'll go back to to this idea of
the sealing of the Holy Spirit

1573
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,480
of promise to me.
It's been way misquoted, it's

1574
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:07,760
been overused, it's been abused.
And can I just read you the

1575
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:13,760
quote from section 76?
I have it sitting here

1576
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:20,440
somewhere.
One of my yes, there it is.

1577
01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:24,880
So this is section 76 and this
is the preamble or the

1578
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:31,600
qualifications of those who
become exalted in the celestial

1579
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,360
Kingdom who received these
blessings.

1580
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,040
And it quotes many of these
blessings at the end of this

1581
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:45,680
this sealing ceremony.
But this is this is verse 51 to

1582
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,360
54.
Speaking of those, they are they

1583
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,760
who received the testimony of
Jesus, and believed on his name,

1584
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:56,320
and were baptized after the
manner of his burial, being

1585
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,920
buried in the water in his name.
And this according to the

1586
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,080
commandment which he is given,
that by keeping the

1587
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:07,160
commandments, they may, they
may, might be washed and

1588
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,080
cleansed from all their sins,
and received the Holy Spirit by

1589
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:14,680
the laying on of hands of Him
who was ordained and sealed unto

1590
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:20,320
this power.
Now this language 5152 as it

1591
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,680
follows along.
What Nephi talks about in second

1592
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:29,800
Nephi chapter 303132, he talks
about the beginning of the way

1593
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:36,760
the gate, but this the 53 and so
many people forget this part 53.

1594
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:41,000
They have to continue on.
They they're working at keeping

1595
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,760
the commandments, they've been
baptized, they've received the

1596
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,400
the Holy Ghost through the
laying on of hands, but they

1597
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,360
have to continue on who overcome
by faith.

1598
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,360
That's what we're talking about
through these covenants.

1599
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,160
What are we overcoming?
The natural man.

1600
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,880
That's what we're overcoming.
Right.

1601
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,800
They overcome by faith and are
sealed by the Holy Spirit of

1602
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,120
promise.
And this part I really want to

1603
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:14,720
emphasize, which the Father, not
a man, which the Father sheds

1604
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,280
forth upon all those who are
just and true.

1605
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,800
OK, there's the standard.
True to what?

1606
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:29,880
Just and true.
That's our job, to become just

1607
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:35,280
and true, The Father, that this
promise in verse 53, the Father

1608
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:40,200
sheds forth upon all those who
are just and true.

1609
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,600
That gives us incredible hope.
Yes, it does.

1610
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,840
No man controls this.
No man stands in the way of

1611
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:48,920
this.
Nope.

1612
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,960
Our job is to be just and true,
and then the covenants of the

1613
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,800
endowments lay us out a pathway
and we be true to those

1614
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,600
covenants.
We start to fit into that

1615
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:06,600
category now that the Father
desires to to give us this

1616
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,320
blessing to.
Why?

1617
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,760
Because we're trustworthy.
Absolutely.

1618
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,280
And that should give us profound
hope, right?

1619
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:23,160
Look, sometimes Mormonism's been
used as a club on other people,

1620
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:30,000
and it's done, been done so by
bullies, by by tyrants, right?

1621
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,600
But the scripture itself, where
God writes it down through

1622
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,760
Joseph in this instance, is very
clear.

1623
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,400
He has no respecter of persons.
You do what you're supposed to,

1624
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,680
and good luck to the man that
wants to stifle that.

1625
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:50,520
And I think that if we truly
understood that, we wouldn't

1626
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,720
give time or place to tyrants,
right?

1627
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:59,880
They have to crawl over, as it
were, those words, if we

1628
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:02,920
understand them correctly, to
get to what they want to do.

1629
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,280
And that should bring us a lot
of comfort and a lot of hope.

1630
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:10,760
It does me, yeah.
I I love that there's been so

1631
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:15,000
much emphasis put on follow your
file leader, follow the prophet,

1632
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,760
follow the priesthood council.
Whatever the case may be, we

1633
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,160
covenant to obey law.
Yes.

1634
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,640
Law, and it is eternal in its
nature.

1635
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,720
Our job is to find out what that
law is and apply it.

1636
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:33,360
And the servants of God, their
job is to apply the law of God.

1637
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,800
Not their own will, not their
own ideas, but the law of God.

1638
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:42,960
We're all governed the same.
There's no, no one that is rises

1639
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,200
above the law of God.
It is sovereign.

1640
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,880
Section 88 tells us it's the law
that preserves us.

1641
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,560
It's the law that exalts us.
Whatever law we're quickened by

1642
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:59,360
that Kingdom we will go into.
We're when we talk about temple

1643
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,800
ordinances, we're talking about
the law of the celestial Kingdom

1644
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,600
because that's the direction we
want to go.

1645
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,880
That is what this is all about.
And so we learn those laws and

1646
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:13,640
we have to apply those laws and
those laws, the application of

1647
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:18,880
those laws justify us and they
give us the hope, the just

1648
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,880
claim.
So I can expect this bottom

1649
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,920
paragraph of this seating.
I can expect it to be fulfilled

1650
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:32,400
because God is always faithful.
He does not renege on his part

1651
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:37,040
of the bargain ever.
If I fulfill my part.

1652
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,080
That's the key.
And someone says, well, what

1653
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,120
authority is necessary in all
this?

1654
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:46,680
And I think we get lost
sometimes or we get off into the

1655
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,880
weeds thinking that authority is
the biggest issue.

1656
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:56,280
This what I read here relative
to the marriage contract is

1657
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,600
usually administered in less
than 5 minutes.

1658
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:03,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now that's not a hard thing to

1659
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,960
do.
You can sign that contract

1660
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,520
pretty fast.
Yep.

1661
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:10,400
And and for the Lord to provide
a servant to certify that

1662
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:15,160
contract, to certify that it was
understood and agreed upon,

1663
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,480
because that's what it is.
That's all they can do.

1664
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:22,560
They can put their mark on it.
The seal that says, yes, they've

1665
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,000
done this.
They don't control the door.

1666
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,400
No.
The servant that God does, no

1667
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,200
man does.
Nope.

1668
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,640
Nope.
God Himself or our Father

1669
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:37,960
Himself controls the sealing of
the Holy Spirit of promise, and

1670
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,800
the Savior Himself, the Holy One
of Israel, controls the gate by

1671
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:45,840
which we enter into the slesh of
Kingdom, and he says he employs

1672
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,840
no servant there because he's
the only one that can't be

1673
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,240
deceived.
Right.

1674
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:57,160
All men can be deceived, and so
our job is to understand the

1675
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,800
contract, to understand the
conditions, the

1676
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,440
responsibilities, and the
obligations, and the Lord will

1677
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:07,120
fulfill his part of the bargain.
And if it needs be that he sends

1678
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:11,000
a messenger with the proper
authority to seal whatever needs

1679
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,240
to be sealed, he can take care
of that.

1680
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,760
The hard part is getting the
material to seal.

1681
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,720
Absolutely.
That's the hard part, Getting

1682
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:24,040
the individuals that will put
forth the effort to develop this

1683
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,320
kind of a character that can be
trusted throughout the

1684
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:29,240
eternities.
That's and that's where the

1685
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:32,280
focus needs to lie.
Too many people are are

1686
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:34,800
scrambling around looking for
this authority or that

1687
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,800
authority.
I don't want to diminish

1688
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,880
legitimate authority 1 little
bit, but if you don't focus on

1689
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:44,880
the work you're you need to do
to qualify for these blessings,

1690
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,840
it's all in vain.
It's all in vain.

1691
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,680
It doesn't matter what is the
authority says words over you.

1692
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:57,880
If you don't qualify for it, it
it's just not going to happen.

1693
01:46:58,400 --> 01:46:59,480
Amen.
Amen.

1694
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:08,240
And to get there, right, to get
to that point, we have to keep

1695
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,280
all those laws, we have to do
all those things.

1696
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:18,280
And then likewise and along with
that, you got to foster some

1697
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,640
sort of relationship with your
wife, right?

1698
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:25,200
Or wives, right.
Because let's face it, if you're

1699
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:29,000
both miserable through it, who
wants to do that, right?

1700
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,120
And do you want to do that for
eternity?

1701
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,560
Like I, I hear the descriptions
of God, right?

1702
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:38,120
This is my work and my glory to
bring to pass the immortality

1703
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:42,400
and turn the life of man.
I told you here a little while a

1704
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:46,360
few minutes ago, I had to take
take a really quick roadie up up

1705
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:53,240
to North Dakota and back, right?
And the whole time I was like, I

1706
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,200
just want to go home to my
family.

1707
01:47:56,440 --> 01:48:00,120
I just want to go home.
I don't want to be here.

1708
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:06,360
I tell my wives this.
I don't tell it enough in

1709
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:12,280
public.
They are absolutely my solace.

1710
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:19,600
They are absolutely where I go
to collapse when the day is done

1711
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:23,040
and I'm through the ringer and
they've had a bad day, right?

1712
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,080
And that's the other thing,
right?

1713
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:28,400
They they're like trying to bump
me up and I'm like, I'm a piece

1714
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:31,000
of crud, right?
Like I should be way better than

1715
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,240
what I am.
But they're my favorite people

1716
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,760
in the whole world, right?
There's nobody else I want to

1717
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,560
spend my time with more than
those two women.

1718
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,560
And I think, I think at some
point we got to get to that

1719
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:48,920
point, Isaac.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I know.

1720
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,280
You're not.
I just don't think that that

1721
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:57,480
just being married for a really
long time is quite enough,

1722
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:02,440
right?
Well, I build cabinets, right?

1723
01:49:02,440 --> 01:49:06,320
And I build a lot of kitchens.
Over the years I've sat in a lot

1724
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,800
of people's houses as we design
their kitchen.

1725
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:14,120
And I want to tell you there's a
lot of old couples that don't

1726
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:15,360
like each other.
Right.

1727
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,120
Right.
And there's a lot to do, but

1728
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,960
there's a lot that don't.
And they're supposing that at

1729
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:23,720
the next life, it's going to be
different.

1730
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,840
And they'll tell me.
They'll tell me we've been

1731
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:30,880
sealed in the temple.
Things are going to be different

1732
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,360
over there.
And I go, Are they?

1733
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:35,480
Yeah.
Are they?

1734
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,840
So let's go back to the law of
the gospel.

1735
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:41,160
What do the Scriptures tell us?
How we should treat each other,

1736
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,200
Right.
You know, I think it's Section

1737
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:48,560
42 that says live together and
love in so much that people weep

1738
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,640
when you're gone.
Right.

1739
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,760
Well, what does that say?
It's exactly what you're talking

1740
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,280
about.
Live, live amongst your family

1741
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,480
and so much that they miss you
if you're not there.

1742
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:02,680
Yeah, there's no tyrant there
that can do that.

1743
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,360
No.
No, that's someone that's that's

1744
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,760
a husband or a father that's
loving his children, loving his

1745
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,560
family, and they want him
around.

1746
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,320
And if they don't want him
around, something's wrong with

1747
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,360
what he's doing.
Yes, on a fundamental basis.

1748
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,920
And he can't say, well, I'm
keeping living this liar, this

1749
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:22,520
higher law.
No, you're not.

1750
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,120
Right.
No, you're not.

1751
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,240
I have it here someplace in my
pay.

1752
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:32,160
Oh, I mean, it's so fundamental.
Most of most of us in Mormonism

1753
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:36,560
have it memorized Section 121.
Right.

1754
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,800
But those who do this work,
their dominion will be an

1755
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,440
everlasting dominion, and then
will flow unto them without

1756
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:47,080
compulsory means, forever and
ever.

1757
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,000
That's a lovable guy.
It sure is right?

1758
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:53,640
And it is.
And the question becomes, how do

1759
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:57,600
you get there right?
And look, serve, serve your

1760
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:59,640
family.
Exactly.

1761
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:03,800
Your family.
For far too long, I've seen both

1762
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:08,840
priesthood and ordinances be
used as a badge or as

1763
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:14,840
credentials or sometimes even as
a club to get for men to get

1764
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:20,280
what they want, right?
Not the pattern I see from the

1765
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:24,520
Savior, right?
He washed people's feet, right?

1766
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,800
That's right.
And it wasn't a sanitary time

1767
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,440
that we live in as we live in
now, right?

1768
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:31,880
It was often the dirtiest part
of the body.

1769
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:37,040
And the master of us all, the
Savior of us all, got down on

1770
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,440
his hands and knees, then washed
their feet.

1771
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:41,400
Now.
That's right.

1772
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:47,720
If we want, if we want to endear
ourselves to others, it's it's

1773
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,560
through that.
There's a reason the scripture

1774
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:55,920
says charity never faileth, and
that is because they're when you

1775
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:02,000
OfferUp service to somebody
else, they can only they can't

1776
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,720
help but develop some sort of
feelings for one another, both

1777
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,440
the one that serves and the one
that receives the service.

1778
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:14,120
And I'll say this, if you think
that that getting certain

1779
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:21,480
priesthood offices entitles a
person greater honor and glory

1780
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:25,280
to be served, you're missing the
point of priesthood altogether.

1781
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:26,920
The.
You are there.

1782
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,480
The farther you climb that
priesthood ladder, so to speak,

1783
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:32,960
the more is expected of you to
serve.

1784
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:36,200
Period.
That's right.

1785
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:37,960
Well, look at look at the
example.

1786
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:41,800
And we learned this in more
detail in the temple, but look

1787
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:45,160
at the example of our Heavenly
parents, Adam and Eve.

1788
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:51,840
And so they had to come down and
they had to break a law in order

1789
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:56,200
to give us an opportunity to
have mortality and go through

1790
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,000
these experiences.
And they were willing to do

1791
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,040
that.
They set things up so that they

1792
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,240
could do that to give us an
opportunity.

1793
01:53:04,440 --> 01:53:09,560
What greater service is that?
And then how long did they live?

1794
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:16,520
Records over 900 years in this
condition dealing with being

1795
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:19,280
blamed for everything wrong by
many of their children.

1796
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:27,440
And then I don't know they they
are the brat of but of so many

1797
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:33,400
jokes, so much disrespect and
yet they gave us more than we

1798
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:35,000
can imagine.
Yep.

1799
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,200
They sacrificed more and they
wanted to do it.

1800
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:42,240
They give us this opportunity,
you know, and that tells us

1801
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:43,960
where we need to be.
Yep.

1802
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:47,000
And you know, just some
speculation here on my part.

1803
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,360
Book a day, Page 1.
So take it with a great big

1804
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,720
grain of salt.
But I do believe at some point,

1805
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,480
you know, we're told that they
did have that veil of

1806
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:58,720
forgetfulness placed over their
heads, their minds.

1807
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,720
But I do think it was removed at
some point.

1808
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,080
And the reason I do is because
at some point, Eve recognizes

1809
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:09,480
who the adversary is.
And I can only imagine as time

1810
01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:14,160
went along, they became more
acutely aware of where it was

1811
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:17,120
they came from.
And I can't imagine that they

1812
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:20,560
just were like, Nope, we get, we
got to do this for our kids.

1813
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:22,400
We've got to do this for our
children.

1814
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:29,480
They must have, at some point, I
can only imagine realized oh, so

1815
01:54:29,480 --> 01:54:32,760
much better over there, right?
So much better over there.

1816
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:38,480
Nonetheless, it's for our kids,
and I think we need to figure

1817
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,960
out how to harness that same
sort of selfless attitude

1818
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,760
towards our wives, towards our
children, everything.

1819
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,760
That's the point right there.
We need to harness that because

1820
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,880
that is the eternal existence
that we're working for.

1821
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:53,000
Yep.
And and that's why if we're not

1822
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:57,560
if, if that doesn't quicken us,
the Section 88 says if that

1823
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,960
doesn't quicken us, that kind of
a life of selfless devotion to

1824
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:04,080
others doesn't quicken us.
We're not going to get there

1825
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,680
because we won't be happy there
and we just need to recognize

1826
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,480
the Savior says several times
you there be to find it.

1827
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,960
He's just saying not everyone
wants this.

1828
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,840
I get it.
Not everyone wants this, but

1829
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:24,160
this is where eternal joy and
satisfaction comes.

1830
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:29,000
Selfishness does not bring that.
This does and that's what they

1831
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:33,800
want to share and but we have to
train ourselves in two into

1832
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:37,480
getting past the struggle side
of it, the struggle side of it

1833
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:40,560
where that natural tendency, it
keeps pulling us.

1834
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,200
You know, we're pulling 2
directions so much of the time

1835
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,120
and that's why we were placed
under covenant.

1836
01:55:46,120 --> 01:55:49,440
You know you can't keep a
covenant you don't make.

1837
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,040
Right.
You have to make it in order to

1838
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:56,680
keep it.
And so it it binds us and we do

1839
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:58,960
this voluntarily.
And I didn't want to miss this,

1840
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:00,640
Dave.
And I think it's so important

1841
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,600
relative to the marriage
covenant, and this has to do

1842
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:07,080
with all of the covenants
previous to this.

1843
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:10,240
We do it of our own free will
and choice.

1844
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,800
I wanted to emphasize that I
know that has been abused

1845
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:20,680
amongst many societies, but
whether it's the, the brother

1846
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:24,720
here, the groom or the the
sister, that's going to be the

1847
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:28,320
the bride.
They do this of their own free

1848
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,480
will and choice.
And if they're not doing it of

1849
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:35,080
their own free will and choice,
they shouldn't be engaged in it.

1850
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:37,640
And no one should be putting
pressure on them to do it,

1851
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,560
period.
And I don't care if it's if it's

1852
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,720
societal pressure.
I've talked to too many people

1853
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:50,320
who who went to the temple and
in the LDS church because that's

1854
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:56,880
what their parents wanted to do.
That's not good to make these

1855
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,200
covenants under those
conditions.

1856
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:02,240
Nope.
And whether it's family pressure

1857
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:05,960
from and fundamentalist groups,
whether it's societal pressure

1858
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:09,400
to say this is what we do and
we, you want to be a part of our

1859
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:13,960
society, this is an individual's
commitment and obligation.

1860
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:17,760
And they need to feel free to do
it of their own free will and

1861
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:21,040
choice.
Otherwise, what good is it?

1862
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:23,560
And parents need to get that
through their head.

1863
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,840
What good is it for them if they
don't want to do it?

1864
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:29,080
Our Heavenly Parents understand
this.

1865
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,920
They deal with everyone on an
individual basis.

1866
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:36,880
They lay out the way and they
say do you want it?

1867
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:41,040
If you do.
Come down this direction.

1868
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:46,000
If you don't, that's fine.
Yep, well, and and you, you

1869
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,120
asked the question, what good
will it do?

1870
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:53,000
I turned my my thing is, what
damage do you do by forcing

1871
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:57,640
someone into this, right?
Because to me, you, you force

1872
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:02,720
someone into this position.
Well, now not only have you

1873
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:05,040
caused someone to maybe do
something that they weren't

1874
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:09,160
inclined to do right, or maybe
weren't ready to, sometimes I

1875
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:12,000
think it's more about not being
ready as opposed to not wanting

1876
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:13,280
to.
That's right.

1877
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:15,920
Well, what have you done?
You may have damaged the

1878
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,600
relationship between God and one
of His children.

1879
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:22,040
Right.
They're going to have some

1880
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:25,760
adverse feelings to the
ceremonies that are involved,

1881
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,840
the covenants that are involved,
the ordinances that are

1882
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,880
involved.
And ultimately they'll place

1883
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,280
that at, at the feet of, of, of
the father.

1884
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:37,160
And so be very careful in how
much pressure you put on a

1885
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:41,360
person to take these covenants.
Now, I want to be careful here.

1886
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:48,880
It is fine to encourage, right?
But encouragement and the use of

1887
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:51,440
force are two entirely different
things.

1888
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:56,800
Yeah, that that coercion.
Coercion can be subtle, right?

1889
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,200
But it, it can be pretty
overbearing too.

1890
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:06,320
But when we use coercion, why
are we using it #1?

1891
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,040
Right.
Why are we using it?

1892
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,840
We need to ask ourselves that
question.

1893
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:15,320
Does God use it?
And as he deals with us, if we

1894
01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:18,360
don't want to do what he's
doing, he doesn't want us to be

1895
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:19,680
miserable.
Right.

1896
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:24,320
And so he knows where true
happiness lies in the long run.

1897
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,040
But we don't.
Right.

1898
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:28,840
And we have to learn that
through experience.

1899
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:32,640
And so he's, he says, he tells
us that his patience never runs

1900
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:37,840
out, you know, and so we have to
be careful as we deal with one

1901
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:40,320
another.
We willing to say, now this is

1902
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:44,600
the best way I know of to go.
I believe it's the pathway to

1903
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:47,800
get back or go the direction of
our heavenly parents.

1904
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:49,920
But that's the direction I want
to go.

1905
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:54,520
Now, what would you like to do?
And I will help you do what you

1906
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:57,200
would like to do.
And I want to see make the best

1907
01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:59,080
decisions you are willing to
make.

1908
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:00,880
Yep.
And that's how we should treat

1909
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:02,040
people.
Yep.

1910
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:06,400
And then in time, I like how you
said that they may not be ready

1911
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:09,440
for it.
They might be down the road,

1912
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,240
right?
They might be.

1913
02:00:11,280 --> 02:00:13,800
But let's not put that stumbling
block in the way.

1914
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,600
Right.
By pushing it too early.

1915
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:20,680
I agree.
Brother Taylor had to deal with

1916
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:23,360
this, brother John Taylor in the
1880s.

1917
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:28,040
And even at that early stage,
the pressure was on if you want

1918
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:31,800
to get married, go go this
direction.

1919
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:34,360
And they, all these parents,
they valued it and they were

1920
02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:37,640
pushing people this direction.
Can I read you just a quote from

1921
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:40,520
him if I can find it?
Please do.

1922
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:48,440
Oh, here it is.
So this tells us so a lot of

1923
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:52,440
people, again, I don't know, a
lot of the people that I have

1924
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:56,160
been in society with have said,
well, if the brethren said it,

1925
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:59,240
if the priesthood sealed it, if
the president of the church

1926
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:02,920
shielded, if we were sealed in
the temple, it's binding.

1927
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:08,040
And here's Brother Taylor, and
this is in 1883.

1928
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:13,040
We are aiming at a high
exaltation and to move on an

1929
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:16,680
elevated plane.
But that very exaltation implies

1930
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:20,680
great responsibilities.
And while we pride ourselves as

1931
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:25,800
being heirs of God and joint
inheritors of all things, it is

1932
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:30,960
expected of us that we fulfill
His law and keep sacredly our

1933
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:36,520
covenants, and that God has as
much right to demand of us the

1934
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:41,400
fulfillment of our covenants as
we have to demand of Him that He

1935
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:44,840
fulfill His.
I think that, I mean, that's

1936
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:48,480
just common sense, isn't it?
It's just common sense.

1937
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:53,640
And if we expect to derive from
the Almighty those great and

1938
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:56,800
inestimable blessings, and we
read those as part of the

1939
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:01,360
marriage ceremony, those great
and inestimable blessings, He

1940
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:06,520
expects us and demands of us
that we yield implicit obedience

1941
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:09,360
to Him and to his law in all
things.

1942
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:14,760
Very well, if we are heirs of
God and joined heirs with Jesus

1943
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:18,320
Christ and are allowed to
partake of ordinances that are

1944
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:22,160
sacred, such as the gods have
partaken, and that's what we're

1945
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:28,720
talking about.
Must we after that go to work

1946
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:33,000
and join in the follies of the
world and take away our own way

1947
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:36,560
and take our own way and run
recklessly and carelessly along

1948
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:40,480
and commit all kinds of follies?
We are not prepared to do

1949
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:43,160
anything of the kind.
We must not do it.

1950
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:47,600
We are placed upon another
platform and God will expect us

1951
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:50,560
to walk according to the
revelations He's given us.

1952
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:54,960
Shall we be excused if we having
the power in this part?

1953
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:59,840
I would like all of us,
especially administrators and

1954
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:05,400
fathers, to think about this.
Shall we be excused if we having

1955
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:09,480
the power to bind on earth, and
it shall be bound in heaven to

1956
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:13,080
seal on earth, and it shall be
sealed in heaven to loose on

1957
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:14,880
earth, and it shall be loosed in
heaven?

1958
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:20,480
Shall we be excused under those
circumstances, when we go before

1959
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:25,600
God, our heavenly Father, and
find hundreds and thousands,

1960
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:31,040
perhaps, that cannot pass by the
angels and the gods, hundreds

1961
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:34,920
and thousands, that the guard
will not permit to enter into

1962
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:39,440
this higher society the heirs of
God, and joined heirs with Jesus

1963
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:43,600
Christ?
How foolish we shall look if we

1964
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:46,240
see a train of people standing
in that position.

1965
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:50,840
The question will then arise,
Who conferred certain blessings

1966
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:52,960
upon this Wretch and upon the
other?

1967
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,040
I think we would feel a little
ashamed.

1968
02:03:56,440 --> 02:04:00,440
We should be considered loose,
the same as we consider loose

1969
02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:03,960
here who tamper with the
ordinances of the House of God.

1970
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:08,280
Now, I feel that there's a very
great responsibility resting

1971
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:10,640
upon us in regard to all of
these matters.

1972
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:14,400
And if we are aiming to join in
the Church of the first born

1973
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:17,840
whose names are written in
heaven, and to associate with

1974
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:21,800
the gods and participate with
them in the exaltations and

1975
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:25,200
glories of the celestial
Kingdom, are we going to drag a

1976
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:27,240
lot of unworthy people in with
us?

1977
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:31,280
They cannot go.
They will not go Now.

1978
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:34,440
Brother Taylor's just
recognizing the way things are.

1979
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:38,080
Right.
And if we're not prepared to

1980
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:41,320
live up to these covenants and
he goes on, he gave it they

1981
02:04:41,320 --> 02:04:45,000
actually the First Presidency at
this same time wrote an epistle

1982
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:49,040
to the leadership in the church
across the church encouraging

1983
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:52,800
bishops not to force people to
get married in the temple until

1984
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,120
they wanted to until they were
ready to.

1985
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:57,800
Wow.
Because they did not want them

1986
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:02,120
to be under these circumstances
where the only way for them to

1987
02:05:02,120 --> 02:05:05,160
get married was to make these
solemn covenants.

1988
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:08,480
He says it is wrong for us to do
that.

1989
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:13,800
He understood that we need to
allow people time to prepare

1990
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:17,560
themselves to enter into these
covenants of our own free will

1991
02:05:17,560 --> 02:05:21,080
and choice because that's the
direction we want to go.

1992
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:24,000
Yep.
And he's condemning those who

1993
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:28,000
administered to these these
ordinances to people who are not

1994
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:30,840
interested in him.
He's condemning him.

1995
02:05:30,840 --> 02:05:33,520
He's saying at some point
they're not going to be able to

1996
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:36,240
pass because you don't control
the gate, right?

1997
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:38,480
At some point they're not going
to pass.

1998
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:41,760
And how do you think you're
going to feel when you have this

1999
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,680
lineup of people, and I know a
lineup of people that say, well,

2000
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:47,160
brother, so and so sealed me.
I got it made.

2001
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,040
I was sealed in the temple.
I've got it made.

2002
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:54,280
Who are completely unworthy to
receive the blessings that they

2003
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:57,880
think they are entitled to.
Absolutely.

2004
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:04,600
And a lot of that is a product
of or teaching or understanding.

2005
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,840
I read you a quote from the
Prophet Joseph.

2006
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:14,760
Here is 11 sentence.
Oh, it's right in front of me.

2007
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:22,880
This should sober anyone up.
The disappointment of hopes and

2008
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:29,200
expectations at the resurrection
would be indescribably dreadful.

2009
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:37,640
Oh, that is rough.
Yeah, all these people expecting

2010
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:41,120
certain blessings based upon
what they thought, what they

2011
02:06:41,120 --> 02:06:45,720
believed, but they didn't
fulfill the requirements.

2012
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:52,640
Now, isn't it necessary, isn't
it important for us to help

2013
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:56,600
people understand the
requirements, the obligations to

2014
02:06:56,600 --> 02:07:00,480
give them a chance, to hope, if
you will, to fulfill them?

2015
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:03,280
Absolutely.
We can't.

2016
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:07,320
Just too many parents, too many
leaders, too many societies

2017
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:12,240
treat these ordinances as if
it's just so important that they

2018
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:14,560
enter in and check it off.
Right.

2019
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:17,160
They misunderstand it
themselves.

2020
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:21,040
These things are to help you
obtain exaltation.

2021
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:25,240
You have to therefore qualify
for it and these things are

2022
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:27,960
steps that we take to help
qualify for that.

2023
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:32,720
I asked this simple question and
sometimes it blows people mind

2024
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:35,480
minds.
Maybe you've heard it before,

2025
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:39,960
but I know a lot of people that
are expecting their marriage to

2026
02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:43,120
be eternal.
Right.

2027
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:46,240
Because of what was said on
them, they went through this

2028
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:49,680
ordinance that we we've gone
over and they expected to be

2029
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:52,640
eternal and they're expecting to
receive that.

2030
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:58,040
And I just asked this simple
question for anybody and you

2031
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:03,320
expect an eternal marriage if
you yourself or to be a part of

2032
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:06,200
an eternal marriage if you
yourself have not qualified

2033
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:10,760
yourself for eternal life?
Absolutely you can't.

2034
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,720
You can't expect it.
Right.

2035
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:17,960
And so you bypass, you go.
Well, somehow I jumped from the

2036
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:23,400
condition I am, which is
unworthy of of eternal life as

2037
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:29,040
laid out in the Scriptures do
now I can expect any an eternal

2038
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:32,840
family in the hereafter.
We have work to do.

2039
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:37,080
We have work to do.
The temple ordinances spell out

2040
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:39,240
a lot of that work.
Absolutely.

2041
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:42,720
We need to take it seriously and
we need to take ownership of

2042
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:46,280
that work and apply it.
And that opens the door for a

2043
02:08:46,280 --> 02:08:49,000
greater blessings beyond what
we've talked about.

2044
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:54,880
Yep, you know, Joseph said that
that no man is saved faster than

2045
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:57,080
he can gain knowledge or
something to that effect.

2046
02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:02,640
I I'm probably butchering that
quote, but it's 100% true,

2047
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:09,080
right?
And so if you are unable to find

2048
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,880
the wisdom and the knowledge in
the covenant because you're not

2049
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:14,640
ready to go through and mom and
dad just pushed you into it,

2050
02:09:15,560 --> 02:09:18,480
that's what good does it do
right?

2051
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:22,520
And, and here's the other thing
with, with temple stuff, you

2052
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:24,560
have to study that stuff out.
You got to put keep

2053
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:27,640
participating in the ordinance
when you have the opportunity.

2054
02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:34,760
Otherwise, again, you're, you're
banking on this guy, even if he

2055
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:39,400
had proper authority, right?
If, if you're not putting in the

2056
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:43,160
work, it just does not matter.
It just doesn't.

2057
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:47,760
Does not matter.
So here, so here we let's go

2058
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:51,040
back to this idea.
This is we're what we're talking

2059
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:52,840
about is just the first
endowment.

2060
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:57,000
Yeah, yeah.
This, this is to start down the

2061
02:09:57,000 --> 02:10:01,080
road, if you will.
Now, after you've been tried and

2062
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:04,040
proven to some degree or
another, there's another

2063
02:10:04,040 --> 02:10:08,960
endowment to receive and with
and and without.

2064
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:13,720
Or if you've been, well, can I
use just a little bit of temple

2065
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:15,760
language here?
Oh yeah, no, you're.

2066
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:19,960
Just I've heard it repeated and
I think it would be all right to

2067
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:21,560
do it.
OK.

2068
02:10:22,120 --> 02:10:25,280
At the end of the first
endowment, you approach the

2069
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:26,440
veil.
Yep.

2070
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:31,440
Somebody says something at the
veil that's very important that

2071
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:35,480
most people forget.
Now we've made all these

2072
02:10:35,480 --> 02:10:37,000
covenants, right?
Yep.

2073
02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:43,000
OK, that servant approaches the
veil, and he says so.

2074
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:49,080
And so, having been true and
faithful in all things, now

2075
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:52,880
desires to converse with the
Lord to the veil.

2076
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:57,000
Yep.
OK, that true and faithful in

2077
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,240
all things is what most people
forget about.

2078
02:10:59,600 --> 02:11:04,800
Yep. 100%.
It lays out the conditions, it

2079
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:08,200
reinforces them continually.
If we're paying attention, and I

2080
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:11,480
agree with you completely.
We have to continually remind

2081
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:16,160
ourselves because it's layers
upon layers upon layers and all

2082
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:20,440
of the scriptures and the and
the temple work, all of it is

2083
02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:23,000
layers.
And these are the mysteries of

2084
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:26,600
godliness and they are not to be
understood except we pursue a

2085
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:29,080
course to understand them.
Yep.

2086
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:33,520
I a lot of people may not be
familiar with it, depending upon

2087
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:37,560
how they received the
ordinances, but but Brother

2088
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:40,520
Brigham in the lecture before
the veil just says something so

2089
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:44,480
plain and so simple, and I
appreciate it so much where he

2090
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:48,000
says, if you will prayerfully,
and I'll paraphrase it, if you

2091
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:53,440
will prayerfully contemplate
what you have received this day,

2092
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:57,080
you will begin to better
understand how the Father works

2093
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:58,800
with the children.
Yep.

2094
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,720
It takes that effort.
These things that even what

2095
02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:06,800
we've been talking about is we
get this understanding after

2096
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:11,240
much effort has been put into
understanding these covenants

2097
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:14,800
and how they applied to us.
And we're not going to get it

2098
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:16,600
all at one time.
And, and what we're talking

2099
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:19,960
about today, it's just the
beginning.

2100
02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:24,440
It's just the beginning.
Yep, I've, I've often said the

2101
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:29,440
temple, the temple language and
liturgy is every bit as layered

2102
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:32,440
as scripture.
It will mean something different

2103
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:36,480
to you at certain times in your
life as you struggle with

2104
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:40,360
certain things, and it will bear
those things out.

2105
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:45,320
And I'll, I'll be honest, one of
the other reasons I wanted to do

2106
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:51,200
this series was because I
remember when I had my first

2107
02:12:51,200 --> 02:12:54,000
temple experience, right?
And I did a temple prep class.

2108
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,560
And this isn't to bash anybody.
I don't want anyone thinking

2109
02:12:56,560 --> 02:13:01,480
Dave's beaten up on the LDS
church or anyone else because I

2110
02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:04,320
understand there was a lot of
baggage surrounding what can you

2111
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:06,840
talk about?
What can't you and and most

2112
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:10,640
people tried to be very reverent
and I appreciate that.

2113
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:17,400
However, the fact remains is
that was I really prepared to go

2114
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:19,760
to the temple.
Not really, right.

2115
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:25,120
And there, this will kind of
illustrate it.

2116
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:28,400
And maybe I'll edit this part
out later if I think it's too,

2117
02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:31,840
too revealing.
But there's certain ceremonial

2118
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,600
clothing you wear and that often
comes in a packet.

2119
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:38,760
And I was so unprepared that
when I got my packet, I honestly

2120
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:42,320
thought it was a pillow.
I was like, oh, cool, You know

2121
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:45,120
that it really is a place of
meditation and relaxation,

2122
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:49,800
right?
But what we have seen is the out

2123
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:54,440
in the outgrowth of that is that
so many people go to the temple

2124
02:13:54,440 --> 02:13:59,320
and then they walk out and their
minds are just blown, right?

2125
02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:01,520
And your mind's going to be
blown even if you are prepared.

2126
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:02,640
There's just two.
That's right.

2127
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:04,920
It's like drinking from a fire
hose, right?

2128
02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:06,280
So even.
If it's too much.

2129
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:09,720
Prepared your your, your, your
mind's still going to be blown.

2130
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:13,160
But what I was seeing is, is
that it was so foreign to so

2131
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:19,240
many people that it was spooking
people and they weren't going

2132
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:22,200
back, right?
And they were having horrible

2133
02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:26,000
experiences.
And, you know, my hopes in doing

2134
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:30,160
all these was, is that we could
avoid some of that, right?

2135
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:32,720
That maybe we could learn from
the past a little bit and say,

2136
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:37,280
no, there's actually quite a bit
here we can talk about and maybe

2137
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:41,600
be better prepared to have that
experience because if you don't

2138
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:45,960
go back, if you don't study
these things, you're never going

2139
02:14:45,960 --> 02:14:48,560
to get its full effect.
That's right.

2140
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:53,080
You'll be operating to, to, to
use your words, you will operate

2141
02:14:53,080 --> 02:14:56,840
inside of a contract that you
don't even know the terms.

2142
02:14:57,320 --> 02:14:59,960
And not only do you not know the
terms of when payments are due

2143
02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:02,600
and that sort of thing, you
won't know what your blessings

2144
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:06,040
are, right?
You won't know, Oh, you mean I

2145
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:09,160
could take this car that's not
quite mine yet across state

2146
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:12,280
lines for a trip?
I'll be darned right?

2147
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:18,240
Sometimes I think not only do we
miss the contract in terms of

2148
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:22,040
what's required of us, but also
what blessings are available to

2149
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:24,560
us, not just in the hereafter,
but the now.

2150
02:15:25,160 --> 02:15:28,560
And I think, you know, someone
not being able to walk up to

2151
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:31,080
their blessings because they
just didn't know or expect it.

2152
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:34,440
That's a sad thing.
It's like buying I.

2153
02:15:34,440 --> 02:15:37,240
Agree.
It's like buying a car that, you

2154
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:40,760
know, you, you never take it,
you know, a really nice American

2155
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:42,560
muscle car.
You never get to take out on

2156
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:45,480
that one open stretch of road
and just open it up, right?

2157
02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:50,320
Be a sad thing to miss out on.
Now, put that into terms of what

2158
02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:54,920
we've been talking about today
with happiness and joy and, and

2159
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:57,120
family.
Yeah, we need to know what the

2160
02:15:57,120 --> 02:16:00,680
terms are and we need to know
what blessings come our way.

2161
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:03,800
Yeah, and we're we're looking
for.

2162
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:08,040
I can read you one more quote.
Yeah, let's just let's just

2163
02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:13,760
consider I, I sell this to
people, I love it if at

2164
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:23,160
somebody's funeral somebody
could read this and say this

2165
02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:26,840
applied to this individual.
But usually at people's funeral.

2166
02:16:27,960 --> 02:16:30,960
Yeah, we don't care this.
But this is from Lectures on

2167
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:33,000
Faith.
And I just want to lay out this

2168
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:36,480
standard because we're talking
about the highest of standards

2169
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:38,719
here.
We're talking about exaltations.

2170
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:44,680
Not just exaltations, but the
power of eternal increase, the

2171
02:16:44,680 --> 02:16:48,559
blessings of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob, the ability to have an

2172
02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:52,680
eternal increase, to have
posterity is as numberless as

2173
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:55,360
the stars in the heavens, the
sands of the seashore.

2174
02:16:55,799 --> 02:16:58,600
I mean, it's just incredible
what's being offered to us.

2175
02:16:59,320 --> 02:17:04,200
But this basic idea is just one
small paragraph here, and this

2176
02:17:04,200 --> 02:17:08,680
is from lecture 7, verse 16.
These teachings of the Savior

2177
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:12,959
most clearly showing to us the
nature of salvation and what he

2178
02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:17,200
proposed unto the human family
when He proposed to save them.

2179
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:20,440
In other words, in the pre
existence or in our pre mortal

2180
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:26,160
existence, this was the plan
that was laid out to us that he

2181
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:29,160
proposed to make them like unto
himself.

2182
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:35,680
And he was like the Father, the
great prototype of all saved

2183
02:17:35,680 --> 02:17:39,040
beings.
And for any portion of the human

2184
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:43,520
family to be assimilated into
their likeness is to be saved.

2185
02:17:45,400 --> 02:17:49,879
That's the standard.
And to be unlike them is to be

2186
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:55,559
destroyed.
And on this, on this hinge turns

2187
02:17:55,559 --> 02:18:02,320
the door of salvation.
So it's a pretty high bar that

2188
02:18:02,320 --> 02:18:05,480
we're shooting for.
It's a pretty hard bar, high

2189
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:08,240
bar.
Now it's possible, possible.

2190
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:11,559
And then talking about this high
bar, I don't want to discourage

2191
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:13,040
this going, well, I'll never get
there.

2192
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:16,320
You don't get there except you
keep walking, you keep climbing

2193
02:18:16,320 --> 02:18:19,120
that ladder.
You don't, you don't get there.

2194
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:21,320
If you get discouraged and sit
off to the side and say, well,

2195
02:18:21,320 --> 02:18:23,920
I'll never make it right.
No, there's hope.

2196
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:27,520
That's why we came here, because
there's hope that you and I can

2197
02:18:27,520 --> 02:18:31,879
do it, that all of us can do it.
And so we need to understand it,

2198
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:34,840
the parameters, we need to
understand the conditions, and

2199
02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:39,879
then we need to go to work.
And when we go to work, the Lord

2200
02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:42,600
blesses us with encouragement.
Yep.

2201
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:46,920
That we're on the path and he
gives us plants in our hearts of

2202
02:18:46,920 --> 02:18:50,360
hope that we can make it.
Absolutely.

2203
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:53,639
And when we get discouraged,
it's usually because we stop

2204
02:18:53,639 --> 02:18:56,719
moving.
Yep, Yep, and.

2205
02:18:56,760 --> 02:18:58,400
And I want to say this too,
right?

2206
02:18:58,400 --> 02:19:02,120
And this took me a, a good
little while to understand.

2207
02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:05,639
There is joy in the, in that
work, right?

2208
02:19:05,639 --> 02:19:11,719
That is not drudgery, right?
It may feel like it at first,

2209
02:19:11,719 --> 02:19:13,559
right?
And I think so often it feels

2210
02:19:13,559 --> 02:19:16,280
that way to us at first because
we're not used to it.

2211
02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:18,200
Yes.
Right.

2212
02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:23,680
I remember when we were adopting
our twins, they even though we

2213
02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:27,400
had four kids, I had to go sit
in a class on how to be a foster

2214
02:19:27,400 --> 02:19:33,360
parent 1st and I was miserable,
right?

2215
02:19:33,360 --> 02:19:37,360
I was listening to some lady
who's never had kids telling me

2216
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:40,480
how to raise my kids, right?
And I'm like, I'll play the

2217
02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:42,920
game, but I'm not happy.
And she could tell I wasn't

2218
02:19:42,920 --> 02:19:47,280
happy I participated, but
obviously my the facial

2219
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:52,720
expressions were giving it away.
And so one night she was, she

2220
02:19:52,720 --> 02:20:00,040
had to, to go get a child out of
some really horrible conditions.

2221
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:05,560
And it was always required that
she had two people, that there

2222
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:09,120
were two people there during the
extraction, all the way through

2223
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:11,440
until the child was dropped off
into foster care.

2224
02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:14,560
And she said, would you be
willing to go with me?

2225
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:16,480
And I was like, no.
And she's like, what if I just

2226
02:20:16,480 --> 02:20:19,680
give you a pass on this class?
And I'm like, now you're talking

2227
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:23,480
my language lady.
And so I said, I'll go with you.

2228
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:29,720
And something struck me now I
walked into this house and

2229
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:35,280
Isaac, this was the worst house
I have ever seen.

2230
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:42,600
I mean, youth can any amount of
disgusting thing you can think

2231
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:47,280
of was in this house and then
coupled with not a lot of food

2232
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:54,680
and it was it was horrific.
And even though this lady was

2233
02:20:55,120 --> 02:21:01,840
just the epitome of loving to
that child, the child still

2234
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:07,400
kicked and screamed to stay
where they were right.

2235
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:12,720
And sometimes as we start this
work, it won't be quite to that

2236
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:15,920
level, but we're going to feel
like, you know, it's outside of

2237
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:17,560
what I know I don't want to do
it, right?

2238
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:22,800
And we're going to clam up, but
just get into the work, right?

2239
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,200
Go, as you were saying, go to
work there.

2240
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:28,560
There is joy in that work,
right?

2241
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:30,080
There it is.
We have.

2242
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:32,680
We have to condition ourselves
for that.

2243
02:21:33,960 --> 02:21:36,360
Yeah, and.
And The thing is, don't try and

2244
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:39,880
do it all at once.
No one can no but but just

2245
02:21:39,880 --> 02:21:42,520
trying to apply what you
understand.

2246
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:48,640
Yep, and if you work at that
more, you'll get stronger.

2247
02:21:49,240 --> 02:21:50,920
Yep.
You'll get more accustomed to

2248
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:58,120
the work, and I don't know how
how to put it, but you'll get

2249
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:00,840
that satisfaction that comes no
other way.

2250
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:04,680
Yeah.
It just it doesn't come any

2251
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:06,880
other way, by sitting on the
couch and doing nothing.

2252
02:22:07,240 --> 02:22:09,720
Yeah.
There's not a lot of payment in

2253
02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:11,560
that.
Nope, Nope.

2254
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:14,880
Let's face it, at some point
we're going to talk to our

2255
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:18,400
posterity, either in this life
or the next, and it's going to

2256
02:22:18,400 --> 02:22:21,240
be pretty boring if the best
story we can come up with is.

2257
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:23,880
I once saw this really cool
movie while I was sitting on the

2258
02:22:23,880 --> 02:22:25,560
couch.
Oh my goodness.

2259
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:26,200
Right.
Yes.

2260
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:30,360
That doesn't make for great,
great, great stories or great

2261
02:22:30,360 --> 02:22:32,640
analogies, right?
I don't think there was ever a

2262
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:35,280
scripture story written about
the guy who just hung out in

2263
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:37,840
Egypt and just went ahead and
like, now you guys go ahead.

2264
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:42,080
I, I'm OK here, right?
No, no, the, the gospels are

2265
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:44,760
participation sport.
You've got to get up and you've

2266
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:47,280
got to do stuff.
It's always been that way.

2267
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:49,800
And it, it, it requires
something of us.

2268
02:22:49,960 --> 02:22:53,680
And that is good, because not
only will it make us better, not

2269
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:56,480
only will it make our family
relationships better and richer

2270
02:22:56,480 --> 02:23:01,600
and fuller, there's joy in the
work, absolute joy when you see

2271
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:06,120
another person grow and develop.
I can't think of something

2272
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:08,720
better.
No, especially when you've had

2273
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:11,360
just a small hand in helping
that be accomplished.

2274
02:23:11,440 --> 02:23:14,440
Yeah, yeah.
And that that's where you go.

2275
02:23:14,440 --> 02:23:17,200
OK, now I get why they do what
they do up there.

2276
02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:20,600
Right, right, right.
Yeah, Yeah.

2277
02:23:20,600 --> 02:23:22,400
No, I I agree with you totally
man.

2278
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:28,320
Well, I, I know we've covered a
whole lot of ground here and I,

2279
02:23:28,440 --> 02:23:36,040
I wanted to just remind us of
this, of the savior in his work.

2280
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:42,200
And this, this gives me hope.
And it's a quote from the

2281
02:23:42,200 --> 02:23:46,600
Prophet Joseph and he's talking
about the other comforter, the

2282
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:50,880
second comforter.
And and we know that the Savior

2283
02:23:52,760 --> 02:23:57,880
I love this from second Nephi
and this isn't again, this is

2284
02:23:57,880 --> 02:24:06,080
not to to disregard the servants
of God that are here legal

2285
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:07,800
administrators here.
Right.

2286
02:24:08,400 --> 02:24:13,560
It's not this, but ultimately
the Savior and I, I, we need to

2287
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:17,000
underline this.
He is the author and the

2288
02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:20,400
finisher of our work.
We have to remember that.

2289
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:24,360
And let's go back to this quote.
I'm going to read this paragraph

2290
02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:27,160
from Nephi, Second Nephi, This
goes way back.

2291
02:24:27,160 --> 02:24:32,240
This is Book of Mormon.
O then, my beloved brethren,

2292
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:34,240
come unto the Lord, the Holy
One.

2293
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:37,040
Remember that his paths are
righteous.

2294
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:41,280
Behold, the way for man is
narrow, but it lieth in a

2295
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:46,480
straight course before him.
And the keeper of the gate is

2296
02:24:46,480 --> 02:24:51,320
the Holy One of Israel, and he
employeth no servant there, and

2297
02:24:51,320 --> 02:24:56,560
there is none other way save it
be by that gate, for he cannot

2298
02:24:56,560 --> 02:25:00,320
be deceived, for the Lord God is
His name.

2299
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:07,200
So we have that advocate, we
have that way laid out before

2300
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:09,120
us.
And that is the goal.

2301
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,200
That is the goal to be
qualified.

2302
02:25:12,200 --> 02:25:16,000
And those that have been through
the temple ordinances understand

2303
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:20,160
that is the goal of the first
endowment to come into His

2304
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:26,240
presence.
And you have to be proven true

2305
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:29,200
and faithful in all things in
order to enter into His

2306
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:31,880
presence.
And He keeps that gate because

2307
02:25:31,880 --> 02:25:35,840
no man can fool all of us.
Get fooled.

2308
02:25:36,280 --> 02:25:39,600
Yep.
All of us can be deceived in 1��

2309
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:43,920
or another, and ordinances can
be administered perhaps to

2310
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:47,200
people that aren't ready for and
perhaps a new people unworthy of

2311
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:52,920
them.
But this gate he alone man's and

2312
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:56,200
no one enters into that gate
except those that are worthy.

2313
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:05,160
But this is this is now that
that's pretty cut and dried the

2314
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:10,520
way he says that.
But this is comforting the

2315
02:26:10,520 --> 02:26:13,880
second comforter when we put it
this way and this is the Prophet

2316
02:26:13,880 --> 02:26:16,680
Joseph.
And for those one look it up.

2317
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:21,480
It's Teachings of the Prophet,
page 150 the other comforter

2318
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:25,600
spoken of is of as a subject of
great interest and perhaps

2319
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:27,760
understood by few of this
generation.

2320
02:26:28,600 --> 02:26:33,560
After a person has faith in
Christ, repents of his sins and

2321
02:26:33,560 --> 02:26:37,160
is baptized for the remission of
his sins, and receives the Holy

2322
02:26:37,160 --> 02:26:41,720
Ghost by the laying on of hands,
which is the first comforter.

2323
02:26:42,680 --> 02:26:44,920
I love the word Comforter.
I do too.

2324
02:26:45,960 --> 02:26:50,520
Because it it's to help us is to
help us know that we're on the

2325
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:54,320
right path, is to help us show
us the path.

2326
02:26:54,960 --> 02:26:58,680
Right.
OK, say we've got to this point.

2327
02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:03,240
Then let him continue to humble
himself before God, hungering

2328
02:27:03,240 --> 02:27:06,440
and thirsting after
righteousness, and living by

2329
02:27:06,440 --> 02:27:10,760
every word of God.
And the Lord will soon say unto

2330
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:17,280
him, Son, thou shalt be exalted.
When the Lord has thoroughly

2331
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:21,160
proved him, and finds that man
is determined to serve him at

2332
02:27:21,160 --> 02:27:26,120
all hazards, then the man will
find his calling in the election

2333
02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:28,640
made sure.
And what does that mean?

2334
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:32,440
Then it will be his privilege to
receive the other Comforter,

2335
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:35,600
which is the Lord, which the
Lord hath promised to the

2336
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:38,960
Saints.
Now this Comforter, it is no

2337
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:41,680
more or less the Lord Jesus
Christ Himself.

2338
02:27:43,240 --> 02:27:48,800
And, and this is the sum and
substance of the whole matter,

2339
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:53,040
that when any man obtains this
last comforter, he will have the

2340
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:55,320
persons of Jesus Christ to
attend him.

2341
02:27:57,160 --> 02:28:01,960
And in another place, you know,
and we're in a family business

2342
02:28:01,960 --> 02:28:05,320
here, Jesus Christ is our elder
brother.

2343
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:10,920
In another place he says, and he
will introduce the Father unto

2344
02:28:10,920 --> 02:28:14,320
him and they will take up their
abode with them.

2345
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:21,960
Now that's what we're working
for and to and, and to re be

2346
02:28:21,960 --> 02:28:26,920
reunited with our Heavenly
Parents and to be able to stand

2347
02:28:26,920 --> 02:28:29,200
in their presence and continue
on.

2348
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:32,120
You know, they're not just
asking us to come back into

2349
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:35,800
their presence.
They're wanting us to come back

2350
02:28:35,800 --> 02:28:39,680
into their presence cold with
glory, immortality and eternal

2351
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:44,840
life, absolutely to be able to
continue on and work with them

2352
02:28:44,840 --> 02:28:48,080
doing what they're doing, the
family business.

2353
02:28:48,320 --> 02:28:51,240
Absolutely.
Working for the salvation of the

2354
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:54,000
human family.
That's the family business.

2355
02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:58,480
And, and they're calling out to
those that are interested in

2356
02:28:58,480 --> 02:29:02,040
following after their family
business, the family business.

2357
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:06,840
And it's the work of the gods
and talk about joy.

2358
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:12,320
And there's never a dull moment.
It's not all fun, but there's

2359
02:29:12,320 --> 02:29:15,440
never a dull moment.
There's challenge forever,

2360
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:19,200
there's growth forever.
And what an opportunity.

2361
02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:22,800
Yeah.
You know, I love that, you know,

2362
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:26,720
the Book of Mormon Section 20
tells us that, that the Book of

2363
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:30,320
Mormon is translated by the, the
gift and power of God and it's,

2364
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:32,840
and it's, the translation is
true and correct.

2365
02:29:33,320 --> 02:29:36,360
And it says, I, I made sure I'm
paraphrasing here.

2366
02:29:36,920 --> 02:29:41,640
I made sure that this record was
preserved and restored to this

2367
02:29:41,640 --> 02:29:44,760
generation, that they might know
that I am the same God

2368
02:29:44,760 --> 02:29:47,760
yesterday, today, and forever.
Right.

2369
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:51,920
Now that's hope.
Now Nephi, who I just quoted him

2370
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:55,600
talking about the Holy One of
Israel here and I would

2371
02:29:55,600 --> 02:30:00,680
encourage people the goal and
read sect are his chapters and

2372
02:30:00,920 --> 02:30:04,400
2nd Ephite 3132 and 33.
They're short.

2373
02:30:05,320 --> 02:30:08,520
They read them because he bears
testimony of the same way that

2374
02:30:08,520 --> 02:30:12,160
the Prophet Joseph just talked
about, the same way that Section

2375
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:16,280
76 talks about.
But he says these way, this way

2376
02:30:16,280 --> 02:30:23,080
will lead you to the Savior.
And what I love about his record

2377
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:29,680
and Moroni's record later on in
the book, as he's as he's

2378
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:32,920
bearing testimony of his
conversations with the Savior's,

2379
02:30:32,920 --> 02:30:36,040
Nephi is bearing testimony of
his conversations with the

2380
02:30:36,040 --> 02:30:40,760
Savior face to face.
He says, and I heard the voice

2381
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:46,080
of the Father testify that what
my son has said is true.

2382
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:50,000
Now you know what's so neat
about that?

2383
02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:53,680
Nephi recognized the voice of
the Father.

2384
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:57,240
Yep.
They had taken up their abode

2385
02:30:57,240 --> 02:31:00,160
with him.
They were walking this journey

2386
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:03,440
together.
That's what is being offered to

2387
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:05,040
us.
That's what they want to do.

2388
02:31:05,440 --> 02:31:07,360
Yep.
And so we talked about all of

2389
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:10,240
these covenants.
Sometimes they can just feel so

2390
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:12,920
restrictive.
They can feel like, oh, they're

2391
02:31:12,920 --> 02:31:16,200
just designed to control me.
Well, to a degree they are, but

2392
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:18,480
for a good purpose.
Right.

2393
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:23,120
And that is so that they can
take up their abode with us and

2394
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:27,120
we can stand shoulder to
shoulder with them eventually in

2395
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,120
accomplishing these great
purposes.

2396
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:32,800
That's what's being the offer
that's being extended to us.

2397
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:34,920
And to me, that's a beautiful
thing.

2398
02:31:35,720 --> 02:31:39,640
It is a very beautiful thing.
Someone once asked me.

2399
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:44,280
This was, This was probably a
year after I started the podcast

2400
02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:48,480
and I was talking to another
podcaster and we were talking

2401
02:31:48,480 --> 02:31:50,840
about Joseph Smith.
And he said, what, what do you

2402
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:55,520
think Joseph's ultimate mission
was if you were to boil it down

2403
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:58,720
into 5 minutes?
And I sat there and I thought,

2404
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:00,400
and I thought, and I said, can I
get back with you?

2405
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:03,840
Because that's a big question
and I'm just not that sharp.

2406
02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:06,360
And he said, sure, that's,
that'll be fine.

2407
02:32:06,360 --> 02:32:09,080
And I thought about it and I
thought about it and I looked at

2408
02:32:09,080 --> 02:32:12,880
Joseph's teachings thoroughly
and I went back to him.

2409
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:15,560
I said, I think I got it.
He's like, what is it?

2410
02:32:15,560 --> 02:32:19,720
And I was like, to me, I think
what Joseph's whole mission was,

2411
02:32:19,720 --> 02:32:22,240
as he was telling you, he
encountered the divine, and he's

2412
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:24,840
trying to get everyone else to
have the same experience.

2413
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:29,320
And I think that these temple
ordinances at some point should

2414
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:33,600
serve that purpose, to encounter
the divine and this life or the

2415
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,240
next.
That's what this is about.

2416
02:32:36,440 --> 02:32:39,280
And I think you summed it up
very eloquently when you talked

2417
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:42,440
about Nephi recognizing the
voice of the Father.

2418
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:44,480
And that's what we're here to
do, is to walk shoulder to

2419
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:49,040
shoulder with him and try to do
his will and his works.

2420
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:54,320
Yeah, and and and get ourselves
qualified work to getting

2421
02:32:54,320 --> 02:32:57,120
ourselves qualified to follow in
the family business.

2422
02:32:57,360 --> 02:33:01,720
Absolutely, absolutely.
Well, man, that's good stuff.

2423
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:04,520
Is there anything we didn't go
over you want to go over?

2424
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:09,120
I think we've about spent the
time we have to spend you and I

2425
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:11,200
both tired, I think.
Oh.

2426
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:13,960
Yeah, so I got to tell you a
story.

2427
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:18,840
I once worked with a guy from
the South, and this guy was a

2428
02:33:18,840 --> 02:33:21,640
workhorse, I mean, an absolute
workhorse.

2429
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:26,280
And one day he came walking in
and he looked tired.

2430
02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:30,320
And I said, you OK?
He's like, why?

2431
02:33:30,320 --> 02:33:33,400
Why would you ask me that?
I said, well, you just looked

2432
02:33:33,400 --> 02:33:36,160
tired.
He says, oh, Dave, I'm sleepy,

2433
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:42,200
never tired.
I I try to remember Steve Turner

2434
02:33:42,200 --> 02:33:44,280
for once in a while when I start
feeling that way.

2435
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:45,680
So.
But.

2436
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:50,760
I I get tired, yeah, I get sleep
deprived and I get tired.

2437
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:52,120
I hear you.
I hear you.

2438
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:54,840
Me too.
So, Isaac, hang out for 5

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minutes and I just want to talk
to you for a few minutes.

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All right?
Thanks you.

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This was so good.
I cannot tell you how good this

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was.
I really do appreciate it.

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And thank you, Dave, is my
privilege.

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All right, well, stick around
for just 5 minutes here.

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Bye everybody.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.