Episode #230: The Road To Societal Armageddon W/Michael Ness

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Well, this will be different.
Is it?

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Oh yeah, this, this will be
different.

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This is outside of what Michael
usually talks about, but I am

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here for it.
So it's true.

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That's true.
How long have we?

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I've been hyping this up amongst
ourselves.

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I'm talking about this one.
Probably about three or four

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months.
Yeah, I'd say at least three. 4

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Still, this starts for me.
It it was interesting how it

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happened too, right?
And I'm going to throw a link to

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her book in the podcast in the
show notes because I really feel

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like it's a good, it's a good
book for people to read, but

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it's a book called Nuclear War
by a woman named Annie Jacobson.

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I want to temper that in this
conversation because.

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Like you're just into it.
We're we're talking about

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nuclear war.
We're.

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Talking about nuclear.
War, right?

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In we're going right in.
Look, I don't get to do much

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often where I don't feel like
the stakes are hot right now.

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Look, certainly nuclear war.
The stakes are hot.

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Different kind of stakes.
But yeah, but I feel a little

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more relaxed, like we can just
let this riff.

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So we've been talking about this
for a while, but as I was

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reading that book, you were the
one that came to me and said,

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dude, I think we should do an
episode on nuclear war.

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And I'm like, well, that's
interesting because I'm reading

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a book about it right now.
So dude, I'm jacked for this so.

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It's super interesting, right?
Like on a, on a certain level

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with me, I think probably my
earliest.

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So my dad was in the Army, so
stuff like this came up.

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Sure.
You know, and at one point,

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maybe it was him, maybe it was
someone else, he said something

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like, you know, and maybe other
Mormons have had this thing

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happen, you know, where it's
like, you know, maybe the

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baptism of fire, you know, the
eschatological, you know, end

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times event, right?
Is that a nuclear war when the

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Earth gets baptized by fire?
So that's always kind of been in

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my mind for the majority of my
life.

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So I've gone in and out studying
this.

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My dad moved us to Montana when
I was 13 in an effort to get out

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of the cities.
And I think he talked about

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that.
You know, I don't think that was

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his big thing.
I think it was just stop being

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in the city of farm, right?
But but you know, he was talk

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about how the mountains of the
Rockies would keep out the

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fallout from the West Coast
where we used to live.

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Sure.
Right.

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Yeah, You know, block a lot of
that.

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You know, it's what year were
you born?

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96 OK, 96.
Holy crap.

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I've been married for one year
when you were born, so I'm a

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good 20 years older than you
are.

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I still remember drills that we
used.

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To have.
I was going to ask you about

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that.
Yeah, no.

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Like I remember back in the 80s
when I was like in elementary

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school.
So were you still getting Cold

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War propaganda and stuff?
Not so much propaganda, but they

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would run the drills and they
weren't as frequent as at least

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they didn't seem as frequent now
as I look back and like, if you

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look at like videos from the 50s
and 60s, uh huh, right, right.

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Everybody's having like those
drills like once, right.

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But yeah, it was, are you doing
that?

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Yeah, it was still ducking
cover, right.

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So no fall out shelter, No fall
out shelter.

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No, no, like we're like and and
you think about it, right?

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Yeah, you're screwed, dude.
You're screwed.

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Like, what's the desk gonna do?
Teach right, I mean.

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I Yeah, nothing.
Nothing.

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Unless you're far enough from
the glass zone that where all

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you're getting is broken glass.
Right.

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But you need to be leaving that
place like soon after.

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That yeah, dude, like, and I
remember doing the drills,

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right, Like get under your desk,
put your hands over your head.

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If you got a big textbook, put
that over your head.

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And she's like, now this is just
in case there's ever a tornado

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or an attack, right?
She wouldn't even say the words,

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but like, I remember when the
wall comes down, right?

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And I think for so many people,
this seems like ancient history

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and it would never come back.
I was one of those guys, right?

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Like, there's no way nuclear war
is coming back.

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We defeated Russia, right?
We, that was the great threat.

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Sure.
But now it's still it is in a

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way to but no, I see what you
mean right, right.

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The the things that are
concerning in that like want

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tipped me off to want to do this
like in the geopolitical realm

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that we're facing right now is
like what was the first one?

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First we bombed Iran a few
months ago.

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Well, in order to take.
It actually goes back to the

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Biden administration, right?
Because we were rattling swords

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with with Russia, right?
Right and over Ukraine.

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Yeah, over Ukraine, right.
And then it goes to, you know,

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we're still rattling Sables
sabers with them.

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You had China, who, you know,
was really saying we're going to

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take Taiwan.
They still are, yeah.

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And then we went ahead.
And this would be the time to do

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it while we're dealing with
Iran.

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Yeah, and now we just struck
Iran, right?

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And what makes me nervous is
that like North Korea's oddly

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quiet.
Like there's, there's look, I'm

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not saying it's going to happen,
right?

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I'm in fact, if, if you were to
ask me to bet on if it would

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happen or not, I'd probably say
probably not.

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Nonetheless, there's a little
bit of stuff out there where I'm

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like.
And the other thing is it's.

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5050 for me.
Is it 5050 for?

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You I think that's where I would
at the moment draw.

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OK, I don't know.
I think you'll either way, OK,

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which I mean, yeah.
So that's it's just as likely as

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it would never happen as it
will.

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Right, right.
I tend to think maybe.

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Down the road when you take
maybe not like tomorrow, I don't

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think it's going to happen like
that then, but like things

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change right next president.
What what are the, you know,

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Trump seems to have a good
relationship with Putin, right?

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People don't like that.
I'm actually OK with it for

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that, for that very reason.
You know that like we have.

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Not blowing ourselves up.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a fan.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm a fan, you know,
and but here's The thing is that

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they've even scaled now, right?
We know that terrorists can

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build a dirty bomb.
So those are different in a big

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way.
But yes, those are a concern,

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right?
Those are actually a bigger

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concern in a way that they're
more likely right, but they're

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not nearly as devastating.
Not right, right.

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And then, you know, we had an
open borders policy for four

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years, right?
We didn't know who was coming in

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and who was going out.
We do know that there were enemy

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combatants that did creep across
the border, right?

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If you listen to certain
intelligence analysts, they tell

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you that there's anywhere
between 1000 to to 15,000

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terrorists in the country right
now.

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And so you you have all this
happening and all of a sudden

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it's like back on the table.
Right.

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Yeah, yeah.
So it's interesting too.

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Here's another dimension not
talked about.

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So yeah, we have US versus Iran
and like Russia and China have

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been cozy with Iran, right?
So like, there's tension there,

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but also there was like a few
months ago too, like right after

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the the first bombing of Iran,
there was when Pakistan and

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India started shooting at each
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And people who don't know this,
those are both nuclear nations

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and they hate each other.
They want to wipe each other off

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the map.
It is a deep seated hatred that

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goes back.
And you think that might not

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like be a global thing, but then
you start and it was really

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funny to me.
And we talked about this at the

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time.
And that's when I, I think it

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was around the time I wanted to
talk about the pod, you know,

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when I brought this up, because
the implications aren't just

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India and Pakistan.
It's geopolitical with bigger

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nations because Russia has
really good economic ties with

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India and China does with
Pakistan.

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And so that puts those two at
odds with each other.

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And that's a theater of war that
we don't want.

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Like, I don't know if we don't
have to worry about it, but we

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definitely don't think about it,
right?

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But I actually think that's
almost more likely down the road

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to happen that Russia versus US,
China versus Russia, nuclear,

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nuclear war, I think's on the
table.

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Look, here's the thing, right?
We're in a strange place where

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the major powers involved aren't
having a hot war.

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What we're doing is we're using
vassal states, right?

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And I do think that that the,
you know, there's always a

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possibility that we get drunk
drawn in to, to some of those

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wars right through our vassal
states.

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It's possible for sure, but
they're, they're neighbors.

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And there's really interesting
things like Russia has a better

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attack vector on us than China
does, right?

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Because they could send nukes
over the North Pole like their,

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like their, their, their bases
are closer to us and their,

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their missiles will be harder to
detect and like respond to.

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But the vector that China has to
take, I've read some stuff

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that's like, we can actually
wait.

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We can intercept those things
way easier.

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Yes, because they got to fly
further.

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And their tech isn't as good
either.

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But if there was I would worry
if I was Russia.

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And they probably do think about
stuff like this.

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If we went to war with each
other, China could nuke Russia

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to take over like and expand N
into the but.

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They just sign a a pact a year
or so ago.

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They might have, but it don't
matter at a certain level.

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And there's been interesting
political tensions there since

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like the Sino Soviet split
because like back in the 60s or

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70s, it was after, or it was
either right before the death of

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Stalin or right after back when
it was, you know, in Soviet

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Russia, which is communist.
But then you had the, you know,

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the Communist Party in China.
But ideologically they were not

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getting old because they
interpreted the doctrine

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differently.
And so there's kind of been

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some, there's been a split
between the two ever since then.

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And so they like, they talk now
like they're buddies, but it's

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still there, there, there's
still stuff that it goes beyond

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just like how do we interpret
Marx at this point, right?

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Because I don't really think
there's a lot of Marxists in

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Russia anymore.
They're well passed out on to

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different stuff.
Funny how.

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And it's interesting.
Well, it's interesting.

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China isn't either.
They're they're Marxist in name,

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but they're a mixed economy.
Right.

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They're, they're, they're
communist at home.

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And then they're, they're,
they're, they're, they're trying

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to run the world through markets
on capitalism.

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Yeah, markets and capitalism on
the, on the international stage,

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right.
Yeah.

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And then you have special
atomic.

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Yeah, special atomic zone,
Autumn autonomous.

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Autonomous zone, Special
autonomous zones.

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Thank you.
Like Guangzhou is 1 city, it's

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by Hong Kong and Hong Kong was
considered one too.

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They're SA Rs or is what is what
they are?

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There's several of them.
And that's like what keeps them

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not just like in equilibrium,
but like progressing, right, you

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know?
Yeah, So it, it's it's oddly

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back on the table again, right?
Like, honestly, there were

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times, you know, like I remember
right after 911 happened, I was

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like, this sucks, this is
horrible, but at least it's on

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nuclear war, right?
Like, I, I remember looking at

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my kids going, well, they'll
never have to worry about that.

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And it's odd to find ourselves
back here at this place again

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with this on the table.
Oh, sure.

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Sure it is.
Yeah.

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No, it's been on my mind for,
like I said, most of my life.

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Like, is that the way that the
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What are your thoughts?
Have you ever thought about

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that?
Yeah, no, I look, there's some

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things, especially through the
Taylor revelation, where, you

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know.
Oh yeah, I know the one you're

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talking.
About yeah, where it's pretty

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nasty.
Right, like a zombie apocalypse

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one.
Yeah, where, you know, you have.

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He calls it a badge of mourning.
And some people have have

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thought that maybe that is like
a biohazard sign or maybe even a

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nuclear fallout sign, right?
That there were badges of

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mourning on the doors.
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And you know, it it it gets it
gets gruesome actually.

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Like that is 1 revelation.
Quite frankly, that is a horror

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show.
It is.

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No.
Yeah, exactly.

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That's you know why I think it
was Sean, or maybe it was Miro

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and I who said it.
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It's like a zombie apocalypse
revelation is what they call it.

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There's no zombies in there for
those who don't know what we're

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talking about, but yeah.
But it is horror, you know, it

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sounds it's it's a horror show
as you.

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Say it's a horror show, Yeah, I
mean, I won't, I won't burden

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anybody with the gruesome
details here, but it's

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essentially cannibalism at the
end, right?

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And and so you can't help but
not take that off the table,

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right?
Because in a full on nuclear

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exchange, right.
And that, and that's the other

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thing I want to talk about
before we get going too far

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here, is that there's many
scenarios to this.

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There's not just like one,
right?

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Certainly it can be a scenario
where you empty the Arsenal's

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right?
A lot of that stuff is kind of

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on a deadman switch.
I honestly think that at least

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certainly the first strike would
be a tactical nuke, right?

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Try to minimize damage as much
as you can unless it also

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minimize.
Response right?

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A tactical nuke would minimize
the severity of the retaliation.

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Right, right.
And I'm sure we'll get into all

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that here.
Kind of the options are all on

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the table.
I think I'm going to go ahead

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and throw a link into the nuke
map that you and I played.

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With.
Oh, you should.

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That's a fun.
That's a fun thing to play.

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With yeah, dark, darkly fun, but
fun.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, no, absolutely.

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So I'll throw in a link to that
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But yeah, no, I think that
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what we're doing.
So if you got young, young

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children, probably maybe turn
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they're in bed just so you don't
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Because look, that's the other
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As a kid growing up in that
time, like there was a movie

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that was made, I want to say it
was 84.

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I could be wrong.
It had Jason Robards in it.

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It was called The Day After, and
it followed what would happen

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after a nuclear exchange.
Scare me to death, bro like way

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scared me to death and I was
like I had nightmares for a

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weekend Of course we have to
look at the day after tomorrow.

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You can find it on YouTube.
I'll throw that link in there

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too.
You can find it on YouTube and

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watch it.
I rewatched it again and it's

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pretty brutal right, It's it's
pretty brutal.

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It follows a a couple of
families in the Midwest as a

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nuclear exchange happens.
And yeah, so if you got young

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kids, gauge, gauge their
maturity level and if they're

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ready for.
This sweet.

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So this book that I got that I
brought it's a nuclear war

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survival skills the 2022
edition, it's pretty good.

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It was updated in 2022 because
of the Ukraine war conflict.

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But the the 1st edition was 79 I
want to say and the second one

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was 87 I want to say.
But I found this because I was

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looking at the Allred group that
you've heard of, Gems Gems

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Bookstore.
No.

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It's, it's, I don't know if it's
like, I mean it is the Allred

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group, but I don't know if it's
like it started off.

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I think more maybe it started
off as a more of a private

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enterprise by one of the guys.
OK.

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But they do carry a lot of
spiritual material.

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This was on the list of the
catalog that I saw and I it was

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on my radar.
Ever since then I just bought

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it.
You know, I didn't buy it from

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them, but I, I found it on
Amazon or whatever, right?

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So what you're saying is some
author somewhere owes being able

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to send their kids to college?
Well, it was probably George E

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Maycock.
Have you ever heard that name?

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Huh.
George E Maycock was he?

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He's the one who started Gems.
He was an apostle on the council

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in the AUB.
And Gems stands for George E

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Maycock and Sons.
Oh, OK.

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All right.
And so it was his bookstore.

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Yeah.
Sean thought the guy was pretty

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cool.
He was an interesting

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personality.
I think he he kind of is.

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Yeah.
And I don't know what the the

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temperature on him is now in the
group.

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I've never been there.
Right.

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So disclaimer, disclaimer.
Right.

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I don't know what he's how, what
people think of him, but it's

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pretty.
I think his reputation was

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pretty split and controversial,
like people either loved him or

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hated him.
Got you.

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Even on the Council, like not
saying he was a Joe Thompson,

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Bill Baird, kind of a guy, but I
think he did rub shoulders maybe

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the wrong way sometimes with
some the other guys, but he was

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extremely intelligent.
OK.

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You know, and, and probably even
to the point of like lacking

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the, the brotherly, fatherly,
kind of, you know, priestly

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thing.
Got it, you.

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Know and so that rubs people the
wrong way when you're in

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leadership, right, if you're
just the hyper intelligent guy.

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Right.
And you don't temper that with

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some love and some personality.
Yeah, and you're just the

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bookworm.
Yeah, yeah, I got you and.

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That so that seems like that's
kind of the vibe I get and I

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apologize if I'm if I'm not
getting I I never met that guy,

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so that's just how I remember
being told what he was like.

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So but yeah, so this book is
pretty cool.

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We're going to dive into some
stuff.

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It starts off with it's pretty
interesting, like myth busting.

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OK, So what?
What are some of the popular

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myths?
That's a good question.

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You know, let's dive into that
real quick 'cause look, I think

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I don't think we need to go
through them extensively.

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No, no, I do.
I do think, look, I do think

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that that because we all have
perceptions, right, largely

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placed on us by Hollywood, 100%
right.

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And so war propaganda hold war
propaganda go go down.

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Destruction, right?
All those.

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There's no way to survive this.
Right.

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Yeah.
And and that's, that's something

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else to say too, right.
Is that certainly it could, it

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could absolutely be the end of
everything, but also it's a

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little more survivable than what
So what people have led on.

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This book's whole premise is
it's very survivable.

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It's very optimistic as long as
you're prepared.

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Yeah.
And there are ways to prepare,

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obviously, you know, and.
And this book's all about that.

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And yeah, it's all about
debunking the myths from the get

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go of that.
Don't even bother to prepare.

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Gotcha.
You know, it's very survivable.

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The toxicity even of the events
are far exaggerated.

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OK, but yeah, so like 1 myth.
Fallout radiation from a nuclear

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war would poison the air in all
parts of the environment.

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It would kill everyone, right?
That's one myth.

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Fallout radiation penetrate,
penetrates everything, and

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there's no escaping its deadly
effects.

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That's another myth.
Another one, a heavy nuclear

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attack, would set practically
everything on fire, causing

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firestorms in cities that would
exhaust the oxygen in the air

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and all shelter occupants would
be killed by intense heat.

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Myth in the worst hit parts of
Hiroshima and Nagasaki where all

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buildings were demolished,
everyone was killed by blast,

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radiation or fire.
It's not true.

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Wow, some people as close to
1/3.

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Of a mile away from Ground Zero
who are in normal bomb shelters

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from normal air raid survived.
Really.

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Yeah, so there's two kinds of
shelters we'll talk about and

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there's fallout shelters and
there's blast shelters, right?

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And they're built differently.
And so glass shelters will help

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you with short term survival
like from the actual blast just.

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And they don't have to be
fallout proof, but they will

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save you, you know, and you can
make 1A rudimentary one in 24

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hours.
Really.

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Yeah, 100%.
There's chapters on this, how to

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make it OK anyway.
Then there's, yeah, fallout

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shelters, more long term, how to
filter your air, how to, you

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know, survive the radiation.
The idea with the former, the

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blast shelter being you survive
the blast, but you got to get

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out right Right before you get
the lethal dose.

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Right.
A Russian nuclear attack on the

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United States would completely
destroy all American cities.

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That's a myth.
Another myth.

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So much food and water will be
poisoned by fallout that people

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will starve and die even in
fallout areas where there's

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enough food and water.
Another one.

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Most of the unborn children and
grandchildren of people who have

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been exposed to radiation from
nuclear explosions will be

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genetically damaged, will be
malformed and delayed victims of

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nuclear war.
OK.

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So there's we have evidence from
like the Marshall Islands and

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stuff another like or other
events, nuclear events where

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people are exposed to high doses
of radiation, but there's been

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no observable degenerative
effects on their posterity any

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more than like normal
degenerative effects in any in

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the population already, OK.
So let let me ask you this

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question then.
Sure, because didn't some folks

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in Chernobyl end up?
Wasn't there a disproportionate

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amount of people that had cancer
afterwards?

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I never looked up Chernobyl for
this project.

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OK, is this not nuclear war?
And look, that's a little

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different, right?
That is a meltdown, not a.

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Right, But yeah, I figured that
this that would be brought up in

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this, but I never saw anything
on in this book.

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Interesting.
And even if it was cancer,

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wouldn't kind of, you know, does
it affect the children of those

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people, Right?
That's a different question,

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right?
Yeah.

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No.
Totally.

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Yeah, because there's like all
those sci-fi B movies from the

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50s and 60s.
Oh yeah, like mutant children.

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And well, that's how Godzilla
goes.

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Or start, right?
I mean.

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Not even humans, but like that.
Like the animal life.

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Like giant ants.
And yeah, that's where Godzilla,

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the, the, the hypothesis of
Godzilla came from, right, Was

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an animal that was mutated
because of the blast off the

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Marshall Islands, right?
And no, they they just riddled

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with myth.
Yeah.

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So yeah, it's things like that,
you know, are essentially the

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the things that this starts with
the book starts with.

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That being said, where do we
want to start?

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You know what, you look that up.
I'll just talk here for a

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second.
I think it's important to

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realize that so many of these
systems now are are automated

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that it doesn't take much.
In that book I reference Nuclear

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War by Annie Jacobson.
She talks about actual scenarios

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where the machines took over.
Kind of right.

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So let me give you an example.
Skynet and Terminator in the

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documentary Terminator.
No, but dude, we're going there

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with Andrew.
I'm just saying.

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I'm just saying no.
What?

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What?
One of the things was there was

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actually a massive flock of
geese that were coming out of

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Canada, northern Canada, up by
the Arctic Circle.

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Our systems armed.
Oh, OK.

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When our systems armed, somehow
Russia knows.

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And we know when each other's
systems begin to arm.

453
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,160
Sure.
Right.

454
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:09,560
Well, Russia sees our systems go
online.

455
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,400
Their systems go online
naturally, right?

456
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,240
And it's it's you know, it's
kind of this build up moment.

457
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,360
And it was actually the Russian
guy who went we can't let this

458
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:26,720
happen, stop the sequence.
And so they manually override it

459
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,440
and they wait.
And someone finally has kind of

460
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,720
a cojones to be like, get the
Americans on the line, talk to

461
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,400
the Americans.
And the Americans go, yeah, we

462
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,280
just noticed that we thought you
guys were firing something.

463
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,400
He's like, not us, right?
So they actually scramble,

464
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,080
scramble up a fire jet and it's
a flock of geese.

465
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,600
But that just shows you how
automated all of this is, right?

466
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,200
And so that's another component
of it.

467
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,920
And so I, I the reason I say
that is like, look, this doesn't

468
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,640
have to actually be a wartime
scenario to set off, to set it

469
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,840
off because the systems are
automated.

470
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,840
Yeah, it is.
It is scary, right?

471
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,440
And, and look, we know that the
president does have a briefcase

472
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960
around him at all times called
the football, right?

473
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,520
Yeah.
But the misnomer is, is that the

474
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,520
president has to be the one to
initiate it.

475
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,640
That's not true either, right?
Interesting, he does have to

476
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,560
initiate it to do to empty the.
Vault.

477
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,600
So to speak, right of every
weapon we got.

478
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,960
But there's even contingencies
in case he went down that those

479
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,720
things just roll through
automation.

480
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,880
And they should.
Realistically, they should.

481
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm not saying they shouldn't

482
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,960
because look, as much as I would
like to be altruistic and just

483
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,760
say, you know, let's not do it.
Someone kills my family with

484
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840
one, I'm like, most likely I'm
going to be like.

485
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,160
Get them.
So there's a, there's a funny

486
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,600
movie.
I'm going to make a plug for it

487
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,120
right now.
It's from like 1964 or whatever.

488
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,920
And it's got a really weird
title, but it's it's a Nell

489
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Brooks and Stanley Kubrick film.
It's so darn funny.

490
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,240
But Doctor Strangelove, It's
Doctor Strange.

491
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,280
The whole title of the movie is
Doctor Strangelove and How I

492
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Learned to Stop Worrying and
Love the Atomic Bomb.

493
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,920
Dude, I got to watch that still.
I have.

494
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,760
In Full disclosure, I've never
watched.

495
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,560
That it is such a good movie.
I think it is anyways, but I

496
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,720
wouldn't watch that.
I think it was like 19 or 20.

497
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,880
Maybe I was 18.
No, it was, it was after that I,

498
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,760
I was 18 when I first watched it
and I got, I went home once and

499
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,720
made my brother watch it with me
and he was like, what about just

500
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,320
watch?
And I, I just hyped it up to

501
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,880
this point.
But it's like it's from 1964 and

502
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,960
it's just a different kind of
humor, different kind of style.

503
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,200
It's just, it's offbeat.
It's like the genre is black

504
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,560
comedy.
OK.

505
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,240
You know, not in the racial
sense, but it's.

506
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,320
Like a really dismal gallows
humor, Yeah.

507
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Gallows humor kind of stuff.
And but the premise is there's

508
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,760
a, there's a general, there's
AUS Army general that's a, he's

509
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,920
a war hawk and he wants to set
off a war with Russia and he

510
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,000
commandeers US Air Force base or
whatever.

511
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,600
And he's he he gets the some of
the bombers, the fighter pilot

512
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:30,000
bombers to go off on a mission.
And, you know, they go fly, they

513
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,640
get their orders and they're all
flying.

514
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,400
And they're trying to,
everyone's trying to make this,

515
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,960
you know, take control of the
base back and, like stop the

516
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240
bomber before it happens.
And the Russians learn about it

517
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,440
and they send a diplomat over
and he's like in the Pentagon

518
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,480
and, yeah, like this is a rogue
guy, right?

519
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560
It's doing this like no one
wants this war.

520
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,680
But then like it comes to this
disclosure that, well, Russia's

521
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,160
made it so that everything's
like on a dead man switch.

522
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,400
Yeah.
And so like everyone, the

523
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,880
Russians and the Americans are
like trying to stop this because

524
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,280
if if one of the the bombers
drop a bomb, then Russia's going

525
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,680
to retaliate with everything
with like this massive doomsday

526
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,240
device too.
It's not just nukes.

527
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,320
When they've got this doomsday
device, it's going to just

528
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,880
destroy the world, you know, And
it's just a really.

529
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,360
Funny, as you as you explain the
movie to me, when we were first

530
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,480
talking about this, the first
thing I thought of was it

531
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,600
sounded like a Hunter S Thompson
novel, right I'm.

532
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Not familiar with who that is.
OK, so Hunter S Thompson was a

533
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040
guy.
He was a guy who invented a type

534
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,000
of journalism called gonzo
journalism.

535
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,440
And look, in Full disclosure, he
wasn't necessarily a moral man,

536
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,000
right?
But nonetheless, some of his

537
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,240
literature has has some pretty
interesting things to it.

538
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Popular books would be like Fear
and Loathing in Las Vegas, that

539
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880
sort of stuff where where it
almost feels like a fever dream,

540
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,560
that kind of so.
Yeah, Yeah, there's some

541
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,760
elements of that.
But yeah, it's a, it's a

542
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,520
hilarious movie in my opinion,
but it's definitely dated,

543
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,040
right.
It's not like my generational

544
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480
humor, but I was raised in a way
where I kind of appreciate an

545
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,760
older thing.
Sure, sure.

546
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,000
In any case, let's start with
the facts since we went through

547
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,440
some myths, OK?
The first one that we talked

548
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280
about radiation poisoning the
air and the environment.

549
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,040
The facts are radiation from an
atom bomb doesn't poison the air

550
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,960
in all parts of an environment
when a nuclear weapon detonates

551
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,920
close enough to the ground.
So there's two types of strikes.

552
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,920
There's a ground, there's a
ground strike, and there's an

553
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,880
air burst, right?
And so when during a ground

554
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,040
strike or a air strike that's
close enough to the ground, the

555
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,360
nuke makes a fireball, right?
And if the fireball touches the

556
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:59,960
ground, thousands of tons of
earth are from the crater are

557
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,240
pulverized into trillions of
particles that are contaminated

558
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,520
by the explosion.
These particles are carried up

559
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,040
into the atmosphere by the Super
heated cloud, the mushroom

560
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,480
cloud, which is super hot.
It's like hotter than the sun or

561
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,560
the fireball is, right.
And so, yeah, that's why it

562
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,960
mushrooms, right?
It's because heat rises and it,

563
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,480
it's dragging everything from
the the earth from the crater

564
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
and throwing it up into the sky,
right?

565
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,920
So the air burst isn't going to
be a mushroom cloud.

566
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,120
No, Right.
The radioactive particles from

567
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,000
the surface then fall out of the
sky.

568
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,760
That's a that's a nuclear
fallout.

569
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,080
They fall out of the mushroom
cloud back to the earth.

570
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,000
The heavy chunks fall close to
Ground Zero.

571
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,320
Makes sense, right?
Anything that's bigger than does

572
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,520
it say here, really anything
that's more than, you know,

573
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,720
that's not invisible to the eye,
right, is going to, you know,

574
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,160
fall back, fall back to the
ground, 0 practically.

575
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,960
And the fine particles will be
dispersed and blown by the wind.

576
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,200
And some of them are so light
that they will remain in the

577
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,320
atmosphere for years.
That's actually not a bad thing.

578
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,240
But no, because there's going to
be so high in the air and

579
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,160
they're so spread out, right,
that they're not going to do any

580
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,600
damage.
And by the time they do fall

581
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,040
out.
They're going to the half.

582
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,960
The half life several times
right before they get down.

583
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,840
So they're they're at that point
harmless when they come back to

584
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,560
the.
Practically harmless, yeah.

585
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,480
The half life, which is the rate
of decay of of the toxicity of

586
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,760
these particles is rapid at 1st
and then it gets longer and

587
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,680
longer.
For each half life God takes

588
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,840
longer.
Only high fallout areas close to

589
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Ground Zero will be as high or
over 1000 rotten gens an hour.

590
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,720
So if you want a rotten genes,
yeah, that's the measurement.

591
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,680
That's the measurement where
they where they they measure

592
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,400
that decay to determine the half
life.

593
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,360
So the Cold War era estimates
for a a targeted area

594
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,360
immediately after an attack
would be between 601,000 rotten

595
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,280
gens an hour.
OK.

596
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,040
And So what did it say?
It said only high follow areas

597
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,280
close to Ground Zero will be as
high or over 1000 runs an hour,

598
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,840
OK And then it would be 500
after one half life, right?

599
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Right.
And then 250 after the next so

600
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,080
and so forth.
So it just whittles down

601
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,840
quickly.
At first, right?

602
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,240
So each half life takes longer
than the previous half life,

603
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:41,840
right.
If the dose rate of the

604
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,800
radiation one hour after an
explosion is 1000 rungen an

605
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,800
hour, it would take about two
weeks for the dose rate to be

606
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,880
reduced to 1 rungen an hour.
Yeah, so, and I've read this in

607
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,280
other books before. 1000 to 1.
1000 to 1 is 2 weeks.

608
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Wow, it's not bad.
Actually no, at the case pretty

609
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,080
quickly.
That's not bad though.

610
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,680
Yeah.
And so if you had a Fallout

611
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,920
Shelter or, or even you're,
yeah, I mean, if you, if you

612
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,120
have a blast shelter that isn't
able to withstand the radiation,

613
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,600
you need to get out.
But if you have a Fallout

614
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Shelter and you're close to to
Ground Zero, you can stay.

615
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,120
If you have two weeks of food or
whatever, and then it's going to

616
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,880
be safe enough for you to get
out of there, right?

617
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,400
You can.
You can.

618
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,840
According to this book, you can.
A healthy individual can receive

619
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,880
between 3:00 to 6:00 rot gens a
day for two weeks straight

620
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:48,000
without any permanent health.
You know, defects or you know,

621
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,080
liability or death.
You know, and that your body

622
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,680
can't heal, right?
OK.

623
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,520
So after two weeks you would
kind of.

624
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Be one in an hour, like yeah, to
get a few hours to, to get out

625
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,920
of the area right Or whatever it
takes you to get.

626
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,200
So yeah, you get you can have
three to six a day for six for

627
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,120
for two at least two weeks
straight.

628
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,679
Now I know that those bombs,
that that's going to depend on

629
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,360
the yield of the bomb as well.
Right.

630
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,199
The fallout, well, the, the only
difference between the yield is

631
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,560
the the diameter from Ground
Zero to the to the outreach to

632
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,800
the perimeter of the blast will
be greater.

633
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,719
The the radiation amount isn't
going to be higher.

634
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,360
I don't think it's just the fact
that the blast radius is bigger.

635
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Gotcha.
OK, that makes sense.

636
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,239
Yeah, it makes sense.
So you have more distance to

637
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,400
travel to get out.
So that's something that you

638
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,040
would have to account.
For if you had to hike out of

639
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000
somewhere like that, right?
And so yeah, we'll cover the

640
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400
some of the distances between
like smaller common yield bombs

641
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,159
and like the bigger ones as
well.

642
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,800
But it's like 50 to 60 miles on
the biggest bombs ever tested,

643
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,400
like the radius from center to
the the outside of the circle of

644
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,600
the blast zone.
It's like a 60 mile radius at

645
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,920
the most.
But no one uses bombs that big

646
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,200
anymore, right?
Well, Russia's the ones that had

647
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,560
it.
Like we never tested bombs that

648
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,360
big.
Russia is the one developing

649
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,680
that, but they don't even use
those.

650
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,960
Got you.
The radiation dose that will

651
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:24,880
kill people also varies greatly.
A dose of about 450 rot Jens to

652
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,560
the whole body will kill about
half of those who receive it,

653
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
though some studies suggest that
half of those with a dose of 350

654
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,840
within a few days would die.
The human body can repair most

655
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,600
damp radiation damage if it's
not too high a person.

656
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Yeah, we just we, we, we cover
that.

657
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,400
There is a myth that radiation
penetrates everything.

658
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,280
Gamma radiation from fallout
will penetrate shielding

659
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,040
materials and reach occupants.
However, a having thickness,

660
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,640
which having thickness is the
amount of shielding to reduce

661
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,760
the dose of radiation by half,
is equivalent to 3.6 inches of

662
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,040
packed earth or 2.4 inches of
concrete.

663
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,120
So 5 S 5 layers of halving
thickness will reduce gamma rays

664
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:20,520
to 132nd of its normal.
All right, 10 layers will be 1 /

665
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,640
1024 of its normal.
Penetration.

666
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,840
That point is pretty much so
darn near undetectable.

667
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:34,320
Right, so 10 layers of having
thickness of concrete would be

668
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:43,680
24 inches plus 1/4 inch, right.
You know, 2 feet, OK, really not

669
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,080
and but you're getting one out
of 1024 of the of the whatever

670
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,800
right from the outside.
So if it's if it's 1000

671
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,800
functions an hour, you're
getting one, you're getting less

672
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,880
than one raunch in an hour right
there.

673
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,280
But but if it's less, you're
getting nothing practically

674
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,000
right right here.
This.

675
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,320
I thought this was interesting
too.

676
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,080
On a clear day, thermal pulses
from an air burst detonation of

677
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,200
A1 megaton device can cause
second degree burns to people

678
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,680
who are 10 miles away.
Wow, that's quite a ways.

679
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,240
Yeah, that is, that's on a clear
day.

680
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,640
So that's like the climate of
Utah on a summer clear day

681
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,480
versus Missouri.
So, you know, that's interesting

682
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,640
because humidity and like cloud
cover and thing like, you know,

683
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,600
or like a place like Seattle
too, right?

684
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,240
It's going to completely change
the, the, the, the, that kind of

685
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,280
attack.
Yeah, that your, your burn.

686
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:46,360
You know the quality of burn you
get the flash will not be as

687
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,800
devastating in other areas as it
will be in a desert or you know,

688
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,640
low humidity, clear day type of
area.

689
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,720
So in your opinion after your
reading, what's worse, an air

690
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,120
burst or a ground detonation?
Depends.

691
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,960
A ground detonation is roughly
twice the damage as a as a

692
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,720
ground detonation as far as
surface area.

693
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,640
But the the bonus part to a
surface burst is there's no

694
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,840
fallout.
The oh, the the minimal fall

695
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,280
fall.
Air burst you mean, right, the

696
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,120
air burst.
The air burst because it's not

697
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,920
touching the ground.
The only things that can fall

698
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,320
out, the only particles it's
getting in the fireball is the

699
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,320
parts of the ball itself.
Right.

700
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,000
And yeah, that's, that's nothing
compared to massive crater

701
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,880
that's getting kicked up into
the, the, the the atmosphere.

702
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,240
Right, EMP is something we'd
have to still worry about.

703
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,120
EMP is something you have to
worry about with.

704
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,800
Either right, but it doesn't
spread more on an air

705
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,400
detonation.
It does spread more on an air

706
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,200
detonation and the the blast
damage is more is twice as much

707
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,360
than a ground burst with an air
detonation, but there's no

708
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,600
fallout.
Got you.

709
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,920
So.
That's the plus side to to an

710
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,520
air burst.
So you don't have to worry about

711
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,360
all the contamination and that
sort of thing.

712
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:06,360
You're just look, I had A and,
and look, EMP is scary too,

713
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,600
right?
And it's EMP, for those who

714
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,800
don't know, stands for
electromagnetic pulse.

715
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,000
And when I was working back
East, I had moved out to the

716
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,440
East Coast right after Katrina
happened, Hurricane Katrina.

717
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,480
And we, we, we picked up, I
worked for a big conglomerate,

718
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
right, had engineers,
architects, they even have their

719
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,360
own, their own like dirt moving
equipment and builders and

720
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,400
everything.
And we got hired to go down to

721
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,080
Louisiana to, in the New Orleans
and do some of the surveying on

722
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,520
the levees, 'cause they build
those levees in what are called

723
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,280
lifts, right?
So one lift would be a certain

724
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960
kind of dirt, the other would be
like some concrete, then some

725
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,160
RIP rap and then on and on.
And so we had to, we had to

726
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,680
verify that they were getting
the proper amount of lifts per

727
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,200
per thing per per layer.
And when I was down there, I

728
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,480
became friends.
With a guy who worked for FEMA

729
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:12,960
and we went out to dinner one
night and he had a few drinks in

730
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,960
him and I thought, OK, this is
my chance to ask some questions

731
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,320
because he's not going to hold
anything back.

732
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,960
A little bit of opportunism
there on my part, sure.

733
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,320
But I asked him, I said, what's
your nightmare scenario?

734
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,840
Said EMP.
I mean, he didn't hesitate.

735
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,760
And I was like, what's EMP?
And he tells me about it.

736
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,680
And I said, well, why is that
your nightmare scenario?

737
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Power just goes out.
He's like, yeah, but you don't

738
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
get it.
He's like, we don't have the

739
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,440
ability to manufacture our own
Transformers anymore.

740
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,000
Those all come from China,
right?

741
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,400
He said, you're looking at
perhaps, and maybe you found

742
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,960
something different in the book,
but he was like 80% casualties.

743
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,800
I'm like, shut up.
He's like, no, he's like do the

744
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,800
math.
He's like, how many people right

745
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:02,560
now are on life saving
equipment, oxygen, blood

746
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,480
transfusions, those sorts of
things?

747
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Quite a few.
OK, those people are dead almost

748
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,000
immediately, right?
You don't get your dialysis for

749
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:17,360
two weeks, you're done, right?
Then you go into to, you know,

750
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,880
how many people are on life
saving medication, chemo, blood

751
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,280
pressure, heart medications,
again, go down the list, right?

752
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Those people are going to die.
And then he went into, now you

753
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,520
have the problems of people
having to leave the cities,

754
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,960
right?
Because water's not going to

755
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,480
work, sewer's not going to work.
All those things that we've come

756
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,880
to rely on are done.
And so it painted a pretty grim

757
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,600
picture.
So.

758
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,440
It's mass death because it
reverts us back to the Stone Age

759
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,800
and people don't know how to
live in the stone.

760
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,400
Age, we're, we're going back to
the 1800s, right?

761
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,840
Early 18.
Hundreds.

762
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,840
So yeah, EMP will so my
understanding is correctly, and

763
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120
I don't know if this is covered
in the book, it probably is, but

764
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,840
I never got to it.
No, but EMP will basically fry

765
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,720
anything that has a microchip or
a yes.

766
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,440
You know, if it's got a circuit
board or microchips, it ain't

767
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,160
going to work.
And so your car's ain't going to

768
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,520
work, your computers ain't going
to work unless they're very,

769
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,400
very, very special computers
that are meant for that kind of

770
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
you know, they're called they're
they're ruggedized, right?

771
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,720
Yep.
So you're, I think there's some

772
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,560
diesel trucks that will work
that we still make.

773
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,600
I had heard anything pre 1970.
Three and anything, yeah,

774
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,160
there's that.
As far as gas, if it has a

775
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,680
carburetor, you're good pretty
much you know, if your car has a

776
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,160
carburetor.
So you're, if you got some

777
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,400
classic American muscle that
hasn't been transfigured into

778
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,360
the, the modern, you know, age
of plastic and silicone and

779
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,800
stuff that we have now, then
you're good probably.

780
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,080
And that's why boys and girls in
Mad Max, they all drove muscle

781
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,880
cars.
That's that's great.

782
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,520
Great movie, by the way.
Yes, I love those.

783
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Yeah.
So, yeah, your some diesel

784
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,280
trucks and your car's older than
1973.

785
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Will will work, right?
Yeah.

786
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:06,920
Yeah.
Because there's no computers in

787
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,960
them.
You're right.

788
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
But now computers on everything.
Everything.

789
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Everything.
No 100%.

790
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,320
And the cool thing about diesel
is you can make biodiesel.

791
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Right.
And like you can and animal

792
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,360
waste and plant waste, you can
distill it down to biofuel.

793
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,800
That diesel engines will work.
I mean, you can try it on a gas

794
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,400
car.
It'll probably work for like

795
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,280
maybe a little bit, but it's
going to ruin.

796
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,560
I'm like, it's going to ruin
that motor.

797
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,280
Yeah, right.
Like yeah, yeah, gas car will

798
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,920
really Yeah, no.
No interesting.

799
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Anyway, sorry to take us down
the side tunes.

800
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,560
No, we're good to go anywhere we
want.

801
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,520
Wow.
Let's see.

802
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,240
In a full theoretical Soviet
exchange envisioned around 1979.

803
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Yeah, the radiation in bad areas
was estimated to be between 600

804
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,880
and 1000.
Rob Gen. an hour and you do not

805
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,800
generally want to get more than
three Ron gens a day.

806
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,320
OK right.
But like I said, you can get up

807
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,560
to 6 for two weeks and still be
fine.

808
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Now this is interesting.
I thought this is interesting.

809
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,760
Anyways, 100 Ron gens.
A dose of 100 Ron gens is called

810
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:27,560
LD one which means or 1% which
means lethal dose 1% at 100 out

811
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,320
of 100 Ron Gen. dose, 1% of the
population who received that

812
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:38,600
dose will die WHO?
Statistically, that's still a

813
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,880
lot of people.
It is of those that receive the

814
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,440
dose right?
Right. 1% of those that receive

815
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,880
100 Ron Gen. dose will die.
It's not terrible.

816
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,720
Though, No, now that now you put
it from those who receive it,

817
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,400
right?
Yeah.

818
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Around that, also interestingly
enough, around that dose is

819
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,200
where you start to lose your
hair from radiation poisoning.

820
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,840
OK, so if you see signs that
you're losing your hair that's

821
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000
falling out, doesn't, doesn't,
no, it doesn't necessarily mean

822
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,360
you're dying.
You have potentially a 99%

823
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
chance that you'll still live.
And a 99%.

824
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,880
Chance because LD 1 is the dose
that your hair starts falling

825
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,120
out, but 99% of people, only 1%
of people that get, you know,

826
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,800
with that dose die.
You therefore, unless you've got

827
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,560
more than that, right.
But if you don't know, if you

828
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,400
don't have a way to measure it
and you still start losing your

829
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,600
hair, right.
And if you know that like, oh,

830
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,520
but you know, I, I might still
have a 99% chance of, of living

831
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,800
still, you know, right, which is
interesting.

832
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,320
Right.
Yeah, You know.

833
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,200
I didn't know that, you know, I
I thought it was.

834
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Yeah.
You start losing your hair.

835
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,880
I've.
I've heard of that.

836
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,760
You you're dead.
Yeah.

837
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,760
You're done.
Right?

838
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,920
Dead walking, Right?
Right.

839
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,720
Yeah.
Let's see, getting a dose of 600

840
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,240
to 1000, Ron Jens is pretty much
LD 100.

841
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,600
And this is the scary thing
about this.

842
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Even though if you have a dose
that high and you have LD 100,

843
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,040
it still might take you months
to die, see?

844
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,360
And that's and you're dead
walking that.

845
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,320
To me is the scariest part of
the whole thing because you

846
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,440
can't taste it, can't smell it,
can't feel it, right?

847
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,800
It's it's kind of like hope this
isn't it, right.

848
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,760
But the effects of that are
devastating.

849
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,400
They are.
I again back to that book that I

850
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
had read.
She went through the gnarly

851
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:38,080
details of some folks that had
died from being exposed to that

852
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:44,440
and that was enough.
I think that you would probably

853
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,000
wish that the bomb fell on top
of you.

854
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Probably.
I got some of those details

855
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,840
right here.
So what it does, radiation kills

856
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,960
your bone marrow, Yes.
And without bone marrow, you

857
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,440
can't make new red blood cells.
And red blood cells can live for

858
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,080
about 120 days.
So that gives you 3 months or

859
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,120
four months gives you 4 months.
After they die, they will be

860
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,440
excreted through fecal material.
And without new red blood cells

861
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,560
to carry oxygen throughout your
body, you'll die.

862
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,600
Yep.
So you're going to suffocate

863
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,640
from the inside out and you're
going to crap out all your old

864
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:27,560
red blood cells.
And see, this is where I tend to

865
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,520
look at this sort of stuff like
nuclear weapons and that sort of

866
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,640
thing.
And it brings up that old adage,

867
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,600
just because you can doesn't
necessarily mean you should.

868
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,280
In in the book that I had read,
she had talked about

869
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,280
liquification of certain organs
if you were really close, right,

870
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,800
but far enough away outside the
blast zone to live.

871
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Like it's a little spooky.
Sure.

872
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,680
Certainly not a way I'd want to.
Go no, no.

873
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,880
I can think of 1000 other ways
that sound way more pleasant

874
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,800
than that.
I agree with that 100%.

875
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,960
So the bombs that we dropped,
the two of them that we dropped

876
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,400
on Japan were 15 kilotons.
OK, that's pretty small

877
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,880
actually.
So a kiloton would be 1000 tons

878
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,040
of dynamite equivalent would be
the equivalent.

879
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:38,320
And a megaton is 1000 kilotons.
So a 20 kiloton weapon on

880
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,440
airburst that optimum altitude
will destroy or severely damaged

881
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,200
buildings 1.42 miles from Ground
Zero.

882
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,680
So that's your blast radius. 1
1/2 miles. 1 1/2 miles on a 20

883
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,840
kiloton device.
A 20 megaton weapon under the

884
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,120
same conditions would destroy or
damage houses at a distance of

885
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,640
16 miles from from radius on the
radius from Ground Zero to the

886
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,480
outside of its last zone 16.
Miles.

887
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,200
Wow yeah, and the 50 megaton was
like 60.

888
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,800
Still a lot of area.
It is.

889
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,720
I'm blanking on how many square
miles that would be, but it'd be

890
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:23,760
a lot.
That's destroyer damage, right?

891
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,280
So it's like, is that talking
about even to the point of like

892
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,640
so on the nuke maps thing, for
example, that you're going to

893
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920
link to, it has like tears,
right?

894
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,600
And it's like the what level of
damage for what zone, right?

895
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,280
And so like the outside of the
blast, it's all you're getting

896
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,240
in the blast damage is broken
glass on a on a certain level,

897
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:47,280
right?
Things aren't going to

898
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,040
necessarily catch on fire.
Walls aren't going to come

899
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,000
tumbling down unless they're not
structurally sound already,

900
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,280
right?
Roof's probably not going to

901
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,880
cave in on your head, but those
are the only places we're

902
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,160
ducking under your desk would
help.

903
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:06,400
Right, right, right, right,
right.

904
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:13,880
Totally.
In the early Cold War, Soviet

905
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,720
missiles were in the high
megaton range, 20 to 50 megatons

906
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,040
because their missiles at the
time were not accurate.

907
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,760
And so the the game was If we
can't hit the target with

908
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,640
precision, we're just going to.
Carpet.

909
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,960
Pot, we're just going to carpet
pot.

910
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,720
Yep, and things are far more
accurate and so you don't have

911
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,280
to put as big a warheads which
are less expensive and less room

912
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,400
right, you know?
Easier to get across the ocean.

913
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Yeah.
So the most common weapon in the

914
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,400
Russian nuclear arsenal is the
SS18 multi warhead missile.

915
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,320
Each missile is armed of those,
you know those kind of missiles

916
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,600
are are armed with 10500 kiloton
weapons each.

917
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,960
OK, so they're called Mervs.
They're the multiple independent

918
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,520
re entry vehicle.
You ever heard of those?

919
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,960
No.
So it's like a shotgun but with

920
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,200
nukes and there's 10 buckshot,
you know?

921
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,640
Yeah, I think of the word Merv
like your buddy.

922
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,840
Hey, Merv's coming over.
We're going to go ahead and.

923
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,960
MERV is not our buddy.
Right, But you got 10:00-ish.

924
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,400
So yeah, the missile will will
arc over, it'll take its flight

925
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:33,400
path and it'll separate and then
each, OK, the payload will be 10

926
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,200
plus.
I've seen the schematic.

927
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,200
OK, yeah.
Moreheads will then have

928
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
independent targets that they
can guide or launch towards from

929
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,160
that once the missile operates.
And so one missile in Russia,

930
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,160
the S S Eighteens will have
10500 kiloton.

931
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,320
So they can hit 10 targets off 1
missile.

932
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:59,600
Wow, Yeah, damn.
Yeah, We're going to get back to

933
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,440
that in a second.
There's pros and cons to that,

934
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,800
by the way.
So what kind of flight?

935
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,320
Well, we'll get back to it.
It's fine.

936
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,440
Go ahead.
The nervous started, actually,

937
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,160
they're an older tech than I
thought they were.

938
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,960
They started.
We started experimenting them in

939
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:23,400
the 60s, by the way, and we
started deactivating ours in the

940
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,560
90s.
For some reason, Russia still

941
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,600
has theirs.
Why would we do that?

942
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,240
So the evidence I could see was
there's a difference in tactics.

943
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,640
First off, like I said, there's
a trade off and we pick one side

944
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,400
and the Russians pick the other
side on that.

945
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,120
But when we were updating our,
our weapon systems, the missiles

946
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,240
we had the were they have
Pershing's, they weren't the

947
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,240
Pershing's, they were the
peacemakers.

948
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,160
They are hard to maintain.
And certain things that we were

949
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,840
doing made it like unfeasible
software or hardware wise to

950
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,840
maintain them OK as well.
And so just outdated, outdated

951
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:09,640
and economical.
But the our point of view was if

952
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,800
we have 10 warheads on a missile
and there's one missile in one

953
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,440
missile silo, if they hit that
first, we lose 10 warheads got

954
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:23,000
you, if they strike first.
And so therefore, if we have

955
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,160
more silos and less warheads for
each missile I see we have, we

956
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,760
don't.
We don't lose as much in a first

957
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,760
strike.
Got you.

958
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,200
It's a numbers game, right?
We keep more of our arsenal.

959
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:41,520
And their strategy is, well, if
they hit one of ours, well, they

960
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,000
they have fewer silos than us.
But, and so there's more about

961
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,200
instead of building more silos,
how many bombs can we fit on a

962
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,240
what we do have?
Right.

963
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,040
OK, that makes sense.
That tracks.

964
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:07,240
However, in 1990 the CIA stated
that the SS18 Mod 5 can fit 14

965
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,280
to 20 warheads to one missile.
Holy crap.

966
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,920
Although it is assumed that the
warheads are would have a

967
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,640
smaller yield on that kind of a
device.

968
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,480
OK, so let me ask you this.
When, when we start doing

969
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,840
calculations, right, Russia, you
know, United States has this

970
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960
many nuclear weapons.
Russia has this amount of

971
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,840
nuclear weapons.
Are they counting missiles or

972
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,880
are they counting warheads?
So my understanding, if I if I I

973
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,040
what I got off of some research
and I don't know, I mean, maybe

974
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,600
we all have secret stuff, for
example, right, Not telling the

975
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,080
other guys.
Sure, right.

976
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Yeah, we've gone through like 3
Series of treaties since the

977
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,560
1990s and I think we have an
equal amount OK of nukes right

978
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,000
now.
And like basically the way,

979
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,280
although that treaty expired in
February, by the way, this

980
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,920
February, Awesome.
This the New START Treaty.

981
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,840
Awesome.
Yeah, great.

982
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,840
And so like that Doom, the
Doomsday Clock move, the closest

983
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,800
it's ever been to Doomsday, like
a month ago.

984
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,280
But that's just because of that
treaty.

985
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,360
Because the treaty expired, and
although Putin has expressed

986
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,520
interest to not only sign
another one, but he also stated

987
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,560
that they will continue to
essentially just deescalate.

988
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,880
No, not not even just
deescalate, but to keep the

989
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,080
status quo, OK, essentially,
despite the fact that the

990
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,040
treaty, you know, if you can
believe these things, right?

991
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,680
That's what's been stated.
Look, I want to say this.

992
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,480
Mutually assured destruction did
work.

993
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,360
Sure, right.
I mean, because nobody really

994
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,360
wins an exchange like that,
right?

995
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,880
I mean unless you hit first and
they know the other guy can't.

996
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Get a shot on.
It's all about that first

997
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,320
strike.
Yeah, 100%.

998
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,400
But again, everything's so
automated now, right?

999
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,680
I don't see you being able to
get out of doing a first strike

1000
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,520
without the other guy knowing
about it, right?

1001
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,080
Look, if we were to hit a small
country that had didn't have

1002
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,240
tech, sure.
But if we're dealing with

1003
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:14,920
another big boy on the walk?
So the advantage we have with

1004
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,600
first strike if we were to do 1
is our submarines.

1005
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,560
Right.
Are better than theirs, right?

1006
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,920
And it's a lot easier and
quicker to if we have ships in

1007
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,600
the Arctic Circle or, you know,
or.

1008
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,280
In the Bering Strait or
wherever, you know, that's close

1009
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,800
to the shores and.
And they could fire their bombs

1010
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,000
in China.
And Russia has those too, right?

1011
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,080
They do.
They do have theirs.

1012
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,320
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1013
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,800
I was going to say, I think
mutually sure, destruction did

1014
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,360
do a job.
Its job, right?

1015
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,560
It definitely kept everybody
from doing stupid stuff for the

1016
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,520
most part, right?
Yes, it did.

1017
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,920
And the interesting thing is
every, I think a big part of why

1018
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,560
this hasn't happened and the
reason why it would continue to

1019
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,960
not happen is if the status quo
is stays, is everyone so

1020
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,840
economically tied up?
Yeah.

1021
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,280
No one, no one has health
sufficiency.

1022
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
No.
That if you do this, everyone

1023
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760
gets screwed because we all do
business with each other.

1024
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,560
So let me ask you this because
there has been a lot of talk

1025
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,240
recently from some guys in the
know that say we're we're moving

1026
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,280
into a new phase.
That everything we've

1027
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,880
encountered up to this point has
been based off of an old system

1028
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,960
that was built, so to speak.
When I say system foreign policy

1029
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,200
that was built off of World War
2, right after World War 2 was

1030
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,440
done.
And now it seems like we're

1031
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,760
moving out of that, right?
And that is the one place that I

1032
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,680
do raise an eyebrow a little bit
is like we're moving into a

1033
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,640
different phase, right?
We're we're no longer working

1034
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,160
off the same set of principles
or the same model that we have

1035
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,680
been since the end of World war.
Two, no, we haven't, but I don't

1036
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,000
think it's necessarily a bad
thing.

1037
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,920
Are you referring to like for
like is it us or like the world

1038
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,680
in general that?
You're the world in general.

1039
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,360
Yeah, there's there's like.
It is precipitated by us, right?

1040
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,640
Let me say that.
So it's like the multi polar

1041
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,400
world theory that's popularized
by a Russian philosopher named

1042
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,560
Alexander Dugan, but like bricks
as an economic organization,

1043
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,760
right?
Is it, is it ours?

1044
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,040
NAFTA?
Is that what it is?

1045
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,560
Yep.
You know, And so, yeah, BRICS

1046
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,520
was formulated to oppose NAFTA,
for an example.

1047
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,840
And I don't think it's a bad
thing, you know, ironically, you

1048
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:47,960
know, So with what's going on in
Iran, for example, that's kind

1049
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,200
of like, are we trying to
bankrupt or like destabilize the

1050
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,680
BRICS nations, right?
You know, because that's Brazil,

1051
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:02,040
Russia, Iran, China and Russia,
right?

1052
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,560
And so they all want to do
business with each other, word,

1053
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,800
taking actions.
You know, Venezuela was either

1054
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,840
joining them or was already a
part of that.

1055
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,720
And I don't recall, I've
thought.

1056
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,480
I think they were joining.
They weren't.

1057
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,120
But Iran's part of it.
And so people want, are we

1058
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,800
trying to, like, suffocate China
through all this?

1059
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,160
There's even backroom talk on
Twitter like Rush, why Russia's

1060
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,840
allowing this to happen because
they have good ties with Iran,

1061
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,160
right, is because Trump will
ease their sanctions and step

1062
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,920
off of Ukraine if Trump is
allowed to do this.

1063
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,040
And so it's do we disrupt
bricks?

1064
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,880
Is this part of this thing to
maintain the old order of NAFTA

1065
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,000
supremacy, you know, trade
supremacy in the world.

1066
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,600
And I would push back, and I'm
not an economist, so I don't

1067
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,240
know, wouldn't isn't the idea of
free trade that competition is

1068
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,040
good?
You should be and.

1069
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,280
So why wouldn't we let bricks do
what bricks does?

1070
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:06,000
Right.
Unless right and and this look,

1071
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,840
we talked before we recorded
this, things are going to go in

1072
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,200
some places.
The interesting thing here is if

1073
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,720
there's a recognition by us that
the old model is dying, right,

1074
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:25,760
that foreign policy that we we
have come to espouse and operate

1075
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,960
under, if that's going away, all
bets are kind of off.

1076
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,240
In a way, it's true.
So I think we need to walk that

1077
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,320
back to for some listeners who I
don't know who.

1078
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,560
So the order that we're talking
about, right, the post, the

1079
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:46,560
post, the, the immediate post
World War 2 order was 2 Poles of

1080
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,600
power, you know, the Soviet bloc
and, and, and Soviet Union and

1081
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,680
then Europe and the United
States on the right side, right,

1082
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,840
capitalism and communist.
Yep.

1083
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,080
And those are two civilizations
at war with each other.

1084
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,400
And you could just loop, you
know, lump China in with sure

1085
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,840
Russia at that.
They were a large non player for

1086
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,600
the most part.
From all time, that time.

1087
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Yeah, right, Right.
And then the Soviet Union fell,

1088
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,560
and then the world becomes
unipolar.

1089
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,200
And what we've seen in my
lifetime is a complete American

1090
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,560
hegemony.
Is that what you'd say?

1091
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,960
Hegemony where we run
everything?

1092
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,240
And Francis Fukuyama wrote that
book, The End of History, right?

1093
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,960
Which I actually take some
fundamental disagreements with.

1094
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,320
I do too.
And his whole premise was we

1095
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,160
were at war civilizationally
between these two powers.

1096
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,800
And now that we have triumphed
and destroyed all other

1097
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,680
ideologies and that our liberal
capitalist ideology is the only

1098
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,960
one that's uncontested,
everyone's going to be

1099
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,040
enlightened.
Everyone's going to get along

1100
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,560
because of free trade.
Everyone's going to, you know,

1101
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,880
the mark of an enlightened
civilization is going to come

1102
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,640
with, you know, just they're
going to absorb democracy and

1103
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,040
free trade and capitalism and
money and banks and all that.

1104
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,160
And I've read some quote
somewhere.

1105
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,680
It's interesting that, you know,
democracy isn't the counting of

1106
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,920
votes, it's the counting of
money.

1107
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,240
Yeah, you know, it it.
Yeah.

1108
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,560
No, it it's, it's true, right?
That's the world we live in, but

1109
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,200
it's changing.
It's changing and it's changing.

1110
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,640
The, the rate at which it's
changing is breathtaking, right?

1111
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,360
If if you study history at all
and you just start lining up

1112
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,120
events, I mean, the speed at
which this is happening is

1113
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:41,080
absolutely breathtaking.
There's a great mean that said,

1114
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,760
you know, it showed Iran going
to war with America and it said

1115
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,000
Gen.
Xers experiencing their sixth

1116
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:55,240
once in a lifetime event, right?
And, and I had, I had to sit

1117
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,800
back and think about it.
They're not wrong, right?

1118
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,120
It's like that, that song We
didn't Start the Fire by Billy.

1119
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,280
Joel Yes, yes.
Like all these things that just

1120
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,080
happened in the 20th century or
till now too.

1121
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,440
Right, right.
Let's, let's go down the list,

1122
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,000
right?
I mean, I'm, I'm just going to

1123
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,800
go back from my earliest
thought, my earliest memories.

1124
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,040
Memories, right?
Probably the first one is like

1125
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,240
the Challenger explosion.
Sure, not a big deal, right?

1126
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,760
I mean, it's a big deal, but
it's not huge, right?

1127
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,320
Then after the Clinton years,
things start to accelerate.

1128
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,040
You know, we start to see 9/11
happen, the war in Afghanistan,

1129
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,560
the war in Iraq.
Then we move into an economic

1130
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,960
damn near collapse at home in
two in 2008.

1131
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,240
Then we move on into the Obama
years where we just have a

1132
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,760
horrible economy for a lot of
years.

1133
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,320
We move into the Trump thing.
Now we're into COVID right now.

1134
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,480
We're into Joe Biden's
administration, and we have

1135
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:06,280
absolute chaos on our border.
We have, we have, you know, just

1136
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,760
a horrible withdrawal out of
Afghanistan.

1137
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:14,360
We just keep going crappy Trump
gets in office and you know,

1138
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,560
then in the meantime you had
October 7th or 3rd, I can't

1139
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,360
remember what date it was in
Israel, right?

1140
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,840
That attack, you have that war
going on Russia and Ukraine.

1141
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,080
Now we're going to war with
Iran.

1142
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,480
These things are all beginning
to stack, right?

1143
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,760
And that's the part to me this
that really signals, if we go

1144
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,680
back to the 50s on to about
again the Clinton years,

1145
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,840
everything is very stable even
through the Cold War because MAD

1146
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,760
did its job, right?
And you truly sure the

1147
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,560
stretching did its job.
There's still a sense of

1148
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,880
stability there.
And I feel like that that sense

1149
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,640
of stability now is eroding at a
rapid pace.

1150
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,400
Good point.
And that means things like what

1151
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,480
we're talking about tonight.
Well, so it's.

1152
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,600
It's not be taken off the table
any longer.

1153
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,920
Stabilizing because America
hedged its bets on Kuki Alma's

1154
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,800
theory that free trade and
economics and money can rule the

1155
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,080
world, right?
And everyone's had enough of it,

1156
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,480
you know, other civilizations.
So like Dugan, Alexander Dugan,

1157
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,520
a Russian philosopher, He's
really interesting.

1158
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,400
You and I have talked about him.
And I don't, I haven't read

1159
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,920
enough of this stuff to say like
I agree with him, but it's

1160
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:36,520
thought provoking in the sense
that he says essentially

1161
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,160
different civilizations that
come from different places have

1162
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,680
different values and to impose
our values on another

1163
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,760
civilization is bad news, you
know, or it doesn't work.

1164
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:52,520
So like a liberal democracy
isn't going to work in the

1165
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,240
Middle East.
No, that kind of government

1166
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,680
isn't going to work.
In fact, it I would almost argue

1167
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,160
it only worked in America under
conditions that no longer exist

1168
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,840
right anymore.
Because the thing with democracy

1169
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,920
is it metaphysically orders
society from below.

1170
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,240
It's it takes the lowest common
denominator, tries to make sense

1171
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,880
of things.
With that, Winston Churchill

1172
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:21,960
said democracy is the worst form
of government.

1173
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,040
And you can tell as much by
having a 5 minute conversation

1174
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,800
with the average voter.
Right.

1175
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,240
You know.
And so it's, it doesn't people

1176
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,400
look at certain things as like,
this is my right.

1177
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,800
And like, so to wield political
power seems to be one of those

1178
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,600
things.
Yeah.

1179
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,760
And it didn't used to be.
I think America wasn't that way

1180
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,280
when it was founded.
No, no, it was a certain people,

1181
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,760
white men who owned land could
vote.

1182
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,040
Yep.
And even in older societies,

1183
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,200
it's interesting too.
Not only was it that

1184
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,120
essentially, but you were
initiated.

1185
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,480
Young, young men were usually
cast out of society or had they

1186
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:11,480
had to throw an ordeal, a rite
of passage where they proved

1187
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:17,040
themselves worthy of being men.
But not only that it was, it was

1188
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,640
basically a myth type thing that
was experienced by everyone.

1189
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,680
What it did is it shaped the
collective consciousness of the

1190
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:30,120
tribe with a shared context,
right?

1191
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,480
And we in America no longer have
that shared context.

1192
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,720
No, we do.
Not, and so we are divided, yes,

1193
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,400
because I'm not saying everyone
needs to be a robot, but if you

1194
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,320
had people different
personalities and people have it

1195
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:50,160
in the philosophy of
individualism and the aspect of

1196
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,200
having a personality or not
necessarily the same thing.

1197
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,920
So when you take personalities
that you can have different

1198
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,840
personalities and free agency
and still come from a bonding

1199
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,360
experience that shapes your
culture absolutely.

1200
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,720
And it can be formative across
the board.

1201
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,400
And it doesn't mean you have to
vote the same way, but it means

1202
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,600
you have the same values that
are rooted in your very soul,

1203
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,960
right?
You do not have that anymore.

1204
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,000
No, we do not.
We haven't.

1205
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,399
Had that in in I'll tell you
where, where I think it goes off

1206
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,680
the rails as far as that goes.
I think it's the 60s, right?

1207
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,760
I think that's where it goes off
the rail.

1208
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,520
It was the first time we
questioned question things like,

1209
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,720
well, it's this plan that the
founders gave us that good,

1210
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,520
right?
You start seeing, yes, the

1211
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,840
communist sympathizers,
communist sympathizers and and

1212
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,279
you start seeing a decay coming
from within.

1213
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,680
And you're right, that rally of
passage thing is huge.

1214
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,120
And you know, there's, there's
so much with Dugan I do disagree

1215
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,080
with, right?
Full disclosure, I did.

1216
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,439
I did a term paper on Dugan last
time I went to college.

1217
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,640
Yeah, I'll read it.
Yeah, I'll find it.

1218
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,279
I'll dig it up.
I don't know if I still have it.

1219
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,600
Hopefully I do somewhere, but
I'll dig it up.

1220
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,680
And he's a little spooky in my
opinion.

1221
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:14,760
However, just like I'll say, you
know, I vehemently disagree with

1222
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:20,720
Marks on what the solutions are.
But to be fair, some of his

1223
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:25,760
critiques are fair, right?
So I have, I haven't read Marx.

1224
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,800
So maybe one day I doubt it, but
just because of time, not

1225
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,479
because like I don't feel like
it's worth doing right, because

1226
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,560
I'm not the kind of guy that's
not going to read stuff that

1227
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,279
someone I disagree with has to
say right kind of guy.

1228
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,840
But like time.
Right, Right.

1229
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,520
Yeah, No, absolutely.
I get it.

1230
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,840
Right.
And look, some of his critiques

1231
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,439
are fair, right?
They they, they are, yeah.

1232
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,399
I disagree with the solution,
right.

1233
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:55,320
I I think that that rather than
a massive ordering of society in

1234
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,560
such a way that it's cradle to
grave and you know, so my not.

1235
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,120
Yeah, my, my distant you go 1st
and.

1236
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,400
I so I I disagree with his
outcomes, but nonetheless his

1237
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,440
critiques were fair.
OK, Can I call him?

1238
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:09,040
I tell Mark.
Yeah.

1239
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,160
So my distant view from what I
do know of Marx is a big thing

1240
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,840
that's flawed with him is he
wants to reduce everything to a

1241
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:22,040
materialistic worldview.
You know, incredible hyper

1242
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,360
materialistic, absolutely, where
even to the point of basically

1243
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:31,160
human salvation is dependent on
the of on completely on economic

1244
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,840
material production.
And the, the idea with Marxism

1245
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:42,600
is the theory that like, so you
have like the archaic world and

1246
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,120
you had elites and peasants and
whatever you're.

1247
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,680
So in the archaic world, you had
essentially 4 different classes

1248
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,480
of people, the caste system,
right?

1249
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,880
Right.
You had your, the, the warrior

1250
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:00,680
elite, which were the nobles,
you had the priests, and then

1251
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,840
you had the merchants and you
had the peasants, for lack of

1252
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,800
better words.
So your laborers and your serfs

1253
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,320
and your whatever.
That's hierarchy.

1254
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,440
And that's what all classical
civilizations were, right?

1255
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,960
There's going to throw that out
there without advocating for it

1256
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,920
or not advocating for it.
I'm just going to throw that out

1257
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,800
there for now.
Then you have the, you know, so

1258
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,600
Mark says this is like the
initial thing and then it moves

1259
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:39,120
to, well, there at first,
there's a tension between church

1260
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,480
and state in the Holy Roman
Empire.

1261
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,960
Yep, right.
So there's kind of the priestly

1262
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,840
cast and the warrior cast, the
kings, you know, fight with the

1263
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:50,760
Pope.
Yep.

1264
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,000
And then the Germanic kingdoms
overthrow the Pope and they

1265
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,400
become Protestant, right?
And the Holy Roman Empire

1266
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,480
dissolves.
And so you have nationalism that

1267
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,320
supersedes what, the archaic
world.

1268
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:12,480
Then the merchant class, which
was raised, which was below

1269
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:16,800
that, then kind of gets rid of
the nobility and the kings.

1270
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,280
And that happens around World
War One.

1271
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,280
Yep, you know you have the
Bolshevik.

1272
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,480
Revolution.
Marx is talking about all that

1273
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,160
and he was before this happened
though, right?

1274
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,720
Yep.
And so he talks about all the

1275
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,400
liberal democracy had already
existed and like capitalism

1276
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,640
already existed in America right
at this point, right.

1277
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,480
So he saw that and he says
capitalism was a necessary step

1278
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:42,360
in evolution towards my not so
he's not like against it in the

1279
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,160
sense of like this was evil to
begin like to start with, but

1280
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,080
like this is necessary for where
we want to go, but we don't want

1281
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:54,280
to stop there.
And then it's the lowest common

1282
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,040
denominator.
And I'm putting my own spin on

1283
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,080
this then revolts against the
merchant class.

1284
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,280
It's a Marxism from my distant
view.

1285
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,680
It's a complete metaphysical
inversion of an archaic system

1286
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,680
where one cast revolts against
the one higher in each

1287
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,280
generation.
Well, and that's, that's

1288
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,920
interesting to point out because
that's why conflict is so

1289
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,960
necessary in Marxism, right?
If if there ever ceases to be a

1290
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,280
conflict between an oppressed
and oppressor class.

1291
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,760
It's the perpetual revolution.
It's a perpetual revolution,

1292
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,120
right?
And that was Mao.

1293
01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:35,040
That was the revolution in the
60s.

1294
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,040
Absolutely.
Where he he dude?

1295
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:43,200
That guy's so freaking evil.
Dude, Mark's like, look, OK, now

1296
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,240
I'm going to.
Now I'm going to go down a deep

1297
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,480
rabbit hole.
Yeah, man, here we are.

1298
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,800
OK, so I read a book just a
couple years ago called The

1299
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Devil and Karl Marx.
OK, interesting.

1300
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,360
Now this was wrote by a Yale
train professor.

1301
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,320
The dude's not dumb, right?
I got you.

1302
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,760
And he says as he starts out the
book, he's kind of in the camp

1303
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,040
of atheism.
And by the time he's done

1304
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,000
writing the book, he's he's
found God.

1305
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,240
Cool.
Now here's why.

1306
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,560
Because he's thoroughly
convinced Marx was possessed by

1307
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,160
evil.
And no dispute.

1308
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:27,000
And no, no, no dispute, right?
And, and there's like, he

1309
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,800
actually did you know Marx wrote
plays?

1310
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,160
No, he wrote 4 plays if I'm not
mistaken.

1311
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,400
And all of them had to do with
selling your soul to the devil.

1312
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,400
All of them, all of them.
His favorite play was Faust.

1313
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,120
The house is hilarious.
Well, there's there's different

1314
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,760
versions of.
Yes, I haven't, I haven't read

1315
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,880
Gurta's version.
I think that's the one that I

1316
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,800
want to read.
But Hugh Nibley talks about it

1317
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,360
all the time, right?
Yeah, in his, in his sermons.

1318
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,600
And it is the funniest thing.
Yeah, yeah, no, there, there is

1319
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,400
one play that's funny and then
there's one that's a little

1320
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,320
darker, right.
More like a how to manual and

1321
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,160
and I do have some questions
around that.

1322
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,800
OK.
But nonetheless, like he made

1323
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,800
his kids call him the old devil,
right?

1324
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,200
He he talks about striding
through the chaos of this world

1325
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,240
that he caused to bring forth a
new one.

1326
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:24,480
I mean, some really dark stuff.
And so yeah, like in me saying

1327
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,400
that Mark's had some fair
critiques.

1328
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,200
I don't want anyone thinking I'm
a fan because that dude was flat

1329
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,360
ass evil as was Mal, as was
selling.

1330
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:35,360
Dude, I, my dad made me read.
Maybe did he make me read it?

1331
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,720
I ended up reading a book.
I was probably like freshman

1332
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,240
year high school on the, on the
Cultural Revolution.

1333
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,640
And I, he might have even known
the guy that wrote it because my

1334
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,120
dad had a professor at West
Point.

1335
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,120
OK, that came from China.
Gotcha.

1336
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,880
And he, he escaped the Cultural
Revolution as a kid, all right,

1337
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,040
and came over.
And so that was like, now who

1338
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,920
was the chairman of the
Communist Party, basically

1339
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,000
president of China around the
1960s.

1340
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,280
Like China's been communist for
15 years or so, give or take

1341
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,840
1520 years.
This revolution has been over.

1342
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,160
We've beat the nationalists,
we've beat the imperialists.

1343
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,440
We've, you know, we've beat the
capitalists.

1344
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,920
You know, everyone, right?
And the new generation that's

1345
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,600
been living under this for 15 to
20 years is now the majority of

1346
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,360
which are in high school era,
right?

1347
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,680
Or university.
And he starts telling them to

1348
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,360
like, revolt against your
parents, revolt against your

1349
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,720
teachers.
They aren't communist enough

1350
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,280
that you need to now.
They remember the time before

1351
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,160
communism.
You need to purge them.

1352
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,320
Yep, it was and they killed
everyone.

1353
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,760
A. 100% dude.
He like some of his ideas were

1354
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,360
we'll stop giving people names
and we'll just give them

1355
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:47,760
numbers.
Yeah, right.

1356
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,800
He's the guy that coined the
phrase to make an omelette.

1357
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,080
You got to break a few eggs.
Only he was talking about people

1358
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,480
and breaking them.
Like just every one of them that

1359
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:02,880
ever deal in communism.
It's like, yeah, OK, start the

1360
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,200
clock.
He's got exactly 36 seconds

1361
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:11,520
before he's evil.
It's just kind of the way it

1362
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,360
goes, right?
Because it it devalues human

1363
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,160
life.
So yeah, yeah, there's, there's

1364
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:20,040
it's, it's anti spiritual.
It's it's the most materialistic

1365
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,360
thing.
It swaps out a material

1366
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,720
salvation for for spiritual
salvation because it's it

1367
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:31,280
asserts that human suffering
will end with economic equality,

1368
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,640
right, and how they define
economic equality, right, right.

1369
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,880
And so that's the, the,
everything is a human struggle

1370
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:45,200
to the point of basically where
society gets rid of state and

1371
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:50,720
class Marxism and the, the
golden, you know, objective is

1372
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:53,640
to abolish state and abolish
class.

1373
01:17:54,040 --> 01:18:01,480
And so a socialist is generally,
I think there's other

1374
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:03,840
definitions for this, but like
in the Marxist sense, a

1375
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,760
socialist is not a communist
because communism is the state

1376
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,720
where that happens, where
there's no, there's no nations,

1377
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,480
there's no states anymore,
there's no government.

1378
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,680
Everyone just lives in this
economic free, almost

1379
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,800
anarchistic, but it's not quite
anarchistic thing.

1380
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,160
And there's no classes, which I
don't understand how that works

1381
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:28,080
at all, by the way.
But it doesn't exactly.

1382
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,040
So socialism is the state that
approaches A stateless and

1383
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,560
classless society.
So, so the USSR was the United

1384
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:41,280
Soviet Socialist Republic.
So it's Soviet socialism trying

1385
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,640
to approach this.
Basically what I would say is

1386
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,840
unattainable goal of communism.
But they even knew it too in a

1387
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,560
certain way.
There's there's an old Soviet

1388
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:54,800
joke where you know what the KGB
is, and probably some of our

1389
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,880
listeners know what the KGB is.
But for those who don't know

1390
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,760
what the KGB is, they're
basically the secret police and

1391
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,720
counterintelligence of the
Soviet Union.

1392
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,720
And they were nefarious for
pretty much being the Yeah, it's

1393
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,760
the secret police that locked up
everyone who disagreed to the.

1394
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,400
Government, they were the goon
squad.

1395
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,640
They were the goon squad.
So the joke in Soviet Russia was

1396
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,280
you have one proletariat asking
another proletarian, do you

1397
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,320
think there will be KGB in
communism?

1398
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:25,520
No.
People will learn to arrest

1399
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,480
themselves.
Yeah, Yeah.

1400
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,000
Because what?
How would there be a a mechanism

1401
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,200
for KGB to arrest anyone in the
stateless society?

1402
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,640
And if you read Marx, he talks
about breeding a a, a race of

1403
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,840
supermen, right?
And, but, but the major quality

1404
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:47,240
here of the of the supermen is
that they'll only take what what

1405
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,760
they need, right?
So if it's food you're

1406
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,040
producing, they're just going to
take the food that they.

1407
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,440
Eat.
So have you ever watched Star

1408
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,800
Trek?
Yes dude, there is some I've

1409
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,080
been.
I've been actually rewatching

1410
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,200
some of that recently.
There's some socialist push.

1411
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,520
There's some hardcore Marxism in
the.

1412
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,040
Yes, there is.
We've evolved beyond materialist

1413
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,320
incentive stuff.
Yeah, We don't have a con.

1414
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,440
We don't have money.
Money doesn't exist anymore,

1415
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,200
right?
We all do this for the benefit

1416
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,600
of humanity.
Yes, they have fully embraced

1417
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,760
the Creed.
From each his need to his each

1418
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:23,080
his or from each his desire to
each his need, Right it it?

1419
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,160
Yeah, No, there's some serious
lefty stuff.

1420
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,520
Hardcore, hardcore.
I was, I was talking to my dad

1421
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,080
about this and he's like, you
know, I never like, yeah, it's

1422
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,280
there.
And we never cared so much

1423
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:37,520
because in the generation I grew
up in, we weren't, as you would

1424
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,440
say, triggered by these things
because we didn't have to agree

1425
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,720
with what the media that we
consumed.

1426
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,720
I would just say that's a stupid
idea.

1427
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,120
Whatever, you know?
And and watched it for good

1428
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,960
entertainment.
But I'm going back and watching

1429
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,080
this and because things have are
so hyper left now.

1430
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,080
Yeah.
And I'm like, holy crap, this

1431
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,440
was all subliminal programming.
Like hundred, 100%.

1432
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:01,640
So I watched an episode probably
five years ago, night I was

1433
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:02,800
sick.
I couldn't sleep.

1434
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,360
So you know how like you can't
sleep.

1435
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,480
You don't want to keep your
spouse up.

1436
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,480
I'm just going to go hang out on
the couch, right?

1437
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,120
I'm going to take some Nyquil.
I'm going to chill on the couch

1438
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,400
and so I'm flipping through the
channels and I'll be damned if

1439
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,360
it's not Star Trek The Next
Generation, right?

1440
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,920
And I'm like, sweet, I'll watch.
Dude I was about halfway through

1441
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,280
1 episode and I'm like.
I'm going to throw a book at

1442
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,680
something.
You call me sobs, right?

1443
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,720
I'm like, I didn't realize you
were feeding me this dribble.

1444
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,120
But once you know, yeah, right.
Like it ruins a lot of things

1445
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,520
unfortunately.
It does, yeah.

1446
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,720
Yeah.
No, it's it's not.

1447
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,320
We've been, we've been programs,
dude, the entire time.

1448
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,680
Totally, all right.
So back, back, back to nuclear

1449
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:51,200
exchange.
So we, we so now in the absence

1450
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,520
of this order that we have come
to rely on, right, this this

1451
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:00,480
socio political climate that we
have enjoyed, which has been

1452
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:05,880
relatively a good era of
stability up until up until

1453
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,560
after the Clinton
administration.

1454
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,040
And again, I'm not blaming
Clinton for that.

1455
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,640
Look, I think Clinton had his
his issues for sure.

1456
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,600
But this has been in the making
for quite some time.

1457
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,080
And some of the critiques that
Dugan gives are legit, right?

1458
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,560
I think so.
From what I've heard, they are

1459
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,560
and I don't.
I, I I don't.

1460
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Like him because he want.
One of the reasons I don't that

1461
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:31,520
I don't like about him is he is
the kind of guy that seems to

1462
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,160
want to import third world
values in a lot of places, even

1463
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,400
especially in Russia.
He's really bad in the sense

1464
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,680
that like, so like I I'm like
the most anti immigration person

1465
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:46,160
here possible in the sense that,
you know, it needs to be fixed

1466
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:51,160
right now.
But they're it over Russia.

1467
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,640
I mean, they're inviting
everyone to come over and you

1468
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,040
wonder like, is it the war thing
that they're going on?

1469
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,920
They need bodies to fill the
industrial machine maybe.

1470
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:07,120
But yeah, it's like anyone from
India, Afghanistan, Syria, like

1471
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,920
Iran, like anyone who even
America, they want America,

1472
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,680
they're they talk about, they
want American Christians to come

1473
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,400
over.
I can talk.

1474
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,920
I can tell you why that is so.
Did you know about a decade ago

1475
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,880
Putin actually tried pushing a
bill to legalize polygamy in

1476
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,360
Russia?
I did not know that.

1477
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,720
He tried.
He tried to legalize polygamy

1478
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,120
because the birth rates were
falling.

1479
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,240
Interesting.
Now this is my own theory, just

1480
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,720
my own.
I think a lot of what we're

1481
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,360
seeing out of these Eastern
European and Western countries

1482
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,440
is a direct result of population
collapse.

1483
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,080
Dude, I think I just read a book
on population collapse.

1484
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:49,280
And I think that's what China's
up against.

1485
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,560
They are up.
Against and, and everybody's up

1486
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,360
against it.
Everybody's up against it.

1487
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,320
We all swap.
Not we all.

1488
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:01,080
I mean, look, I'm doing my part.
I got 7 but but The thing is,

1489
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,520
and somewhere there's a really
good fundamentalist who's like

1490
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,800
rookie.
Those are rookie numbers you got

1491
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:07,840
to pump.
Up those numbers.

1492
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,440
I knew.
I know where that comes from

1493
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:16,840
anyway.
Anyway, I'm not telling on the

1494
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,720
podcast what that is.
You'll have to call me anyway.

1495
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,200
Yeah, like once you have
population collapse.

1496
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:28,800
And here's the thing, we've
already passed the point of no

1497
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,120
return.
Interesting.

1498
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,280
Nobody's talking about this,
right?

1499
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:37,400
If everybody start having kids
tomorrow in the United States,

1500
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,520
it's possible that we could
maintain where we're at and

1501
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,280
maybe even get above that the
next generation, sure.

1502
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:46,240
But we are not meeting
replacement rate right now, no.

1503
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,040
I think South Dakota was the
only state in the union the last

1504
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,280
year that was right.
Yep, that that is it.

1505
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:58,240
And once once you miss out on on
that, once you miss a generation

1506
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:02,560
where you have not hit
replacement rate, you're you're

1507
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,200
going to tank.
And that means that all the

1508
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,680
systems that we have come to
rely on in our societies, if you

1509
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:15,120
don't have the staff to man
those done now I'm going to do 1

1510
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,600
better.
Where's population collapse come

1511
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,240
from?
I think it's two sources.

1512
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,960
The first one was the climate
agenda.

1513
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,360
How do you mean?
What was that Mormon film that

1514
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,600
came?
I There's been like 2 versions

1515
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,480
of it.
Saturday's Warriors, where they

1516
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,840
talk about the.
Yeah, basically it's us

1517
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,200
critiquing the hippies
critiquing, you know, the world

1518
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,160
and like, yeah, Population 0 is
that one song, right?

1519
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,120
Yeah.
We don't have enough to to feed

1520
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,280
everyone.
We're going to starve because

1521
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,720
there'll be too many mouths to.
Feed now Second Bull.

1522
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,560
Crap.
Second this one.

1523
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,440
I might have to come hide out
your place, Feminism.

1524
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,560
Feminism's the other one.
When mom left home, 100%.

1525
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,760
When mom left home, we weren't
having as many babies.

1526
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:06,000
And now we're starting to see
the absolute fruit of both of

1527
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,360
those ideologies coming home.
Well, and it's so it's yeah,

1528
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:14,120
it's the the media has pushed
liberal liberalism and Marxism

1529
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:20,440
to the point where all those
values have been subverted on TV

1530
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:22,600
for generations.
You know, the father is Homer

1531
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:23,960
Simpson.
Yes.

1532
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:30,000
You know, the baffling the the
buffoon idiot that maybe he's

1533
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,480
lovable, but he's not respect
worthy.

1534
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:36,360
No, no.
And the mom is intelligent and

1535
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,560
she owns the house and it's
destroyed the family.

1536
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,800
The, the very idea of the
nuclear family has destroyed

1537
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,920
civilization 100%.
You know, I'm a victim of that.

1538
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:50,520
I've been out of the house since
I was 18 and I haven't gone

1539
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:55,440
back.
And I'm practically screwed, you

1540
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,360
know, in a lot of ways.
And I'm, I'm, I'm Flo, I'm

1541
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:03,040
treading water financially,
sure, you know, but why would I,

1542
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,240
why should I have left home?
Why should I have not helped my

1543
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:07,560
father build something
different?

1544
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:13,200
And do generational wealth, you
know, beat the system 100%

1545
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,840
because I was promised the
American dream?

1546
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,960
Yep.
But.

1547
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,200
There are so many things here.
Let me take a quick break and

1548
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,640
then I want to get into this
generational living thing.

1549
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,080
I'm so that whole multi
generational thing.

1550
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:32,880
Yeah, that's only been recently.
I talked to you about this once.

1551
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,240
I was standing outside in the of
the house here.

1552
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,800
You and I were both raised with
this paradigm.

1553
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,480
You turn 18 and mom and dad
break your plate and you got to

1554
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:46,760
leave home.
That's a fairly recent.

1555
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:52,400
Invention 100%.
And I'm going to go back to an

1556
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,320
experience that I had here not
too long ago.

1557
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:00,840
And there, there, there was an
there was a gentleman who was a

1558
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:05,000
baby boomer who said, well, why
is your son not out of the house

1559
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,440
yet?
And Michael, I'm ashamed to

1560
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:13,240
admit, because he's 22 then I
felt a little bit uneasy in that

1561
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,880
moment.
I wasn't my normal boisterous

1562
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:24,240
you can go # sand self, right?
But it got me thinking and I

1563
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,960
started looking.
I started doing the research and

1564
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,720
I'm like, no, this whole you
turn 18, you leave home thing

1565
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,480
that was not a thing until about
the 50s.

1566
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,040
Most people at that up until
that point were living out in

1567
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:44,040
the country.
They were agrarian and if you

1568
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,280
had a son, he'd stay with you
until he got married.

1569
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,040
And then after he got married,
chances are he was building on

1570
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,600
the land that's been in your
family for a long.

1571
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:56,760
Time in in the archaic world,
dude, you and you moved 400

1572
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,720
yards down the field in your own
tent, and that was the

1573
01:28:58,720 --> 01:28:59,960
difference.
Absolutely.

1574
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,400
That was the difference.
And your family was right there.

1575
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,320
And you know, it's not even
archaic, right?

1576
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,160
I mean, we're talking the 1940s,
the 1930s, right?

1577
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,000
Less than 100 years ago, that
was the norm.

1578
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,200
Now we're here.
Now this is where I'm going to

1579
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,280
really irritate some folks.
But I believe it in my heart of

1580
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:26,320
hearts, we pay our guys good
wages, good wages.

1581
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,480
I pride myself on taking care of
our guys.

1582
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,520
I had a guy come to me, said I
need a raise.

1583
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,880
I'm like, well, we just handed
out raises.

1584
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,360
What's going on?
And he's like, well, I just

1585
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,000
can't make it.
And I'm like, you mean you can't

1586
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,040
make it, right?
And he's like, well, yeah, I

1587
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:53,480
can't make it.
And I'm like, well, he wants, I

1588
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,480
have an accountant.
I can send you to my accountant.

1589
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,600
He can help you.
He's like, actually I kind of

1590
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,080
trust you.
Would you be willing to go over

1591
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,080
my bills with me?
Like absolutely, I'll help you

1592
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,600
it it kind of felt good, right?
I I love my guys right

1593
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,640
genuinely, I I love, I love
them.

1594
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,760
You've heard and.
I've been, I've been one of your

1595
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,840
guys.
I've worked for you.

1596
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,240
Yeah, I, I love my guys, right?
And I don't say that like love

1597
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,840
like in Scott, like I love them
like brothers, right?

1598
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,720
And it felt good that that they
reckon that he recognized that

1599
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,640
and was like, if you could help
me, that'd be great.

1600
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,120
And we sat down, we did his
budget.

1601
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,920
I expected to find, well, he's
probably got dumb credit card

1602
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,200
debt, he's probably got dumb
loans out there.

1603
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,280
He didn't have any of those
things.

1604
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,760
He was living as frugally as he
could.

1605
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,440
He worked and his wife worked.
His wife worked not out of

1606
01:30:44,440 --> 01:30:46,280
desire, but out of necessity
now.

1607
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,880
And he was right.
He was right.

1608
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,360
And so we gave everybody another
raise.

1609
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,880
But we are some of the higher,
higher paying people around our

1610
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:06,480
company is and that got me
looking and and this is circling

1611
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,080
back to this generational living
thing.

1612
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,040
So bear with me.
Oh, no doubt, no doubt.

1613
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:14,120
Take your time.
I started to look at what

1614
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:18,280
happened right.
Why are we here now?

1615
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,160
I hear a lot Oh this generation
their their.

1616
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,400
Work ethic is.
Terrible.

1617
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,560
They're they're soft, their work
ethic is bad.

1618
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,280
Pull yourself up by your
bootstraps.

1619
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,800
Now.
Now I'm going to say something.

1620
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,800
A lot of the problems that not
so much Gen.

1621
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,520
X right some.
So we were a weird generation

1622
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,120
that like made it out OK, right?
Probably because we were a

1623
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:44,520
little feral and we were at the
very end of of getting things

1624
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,440
together.
Anything past early, early

1625
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,360
millennials are screwed.
And why are they screwed?

1626
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,360
They are screwed because many of
did not have the courage of

1627
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,840
their convictions when it came
to matters of liberty and free

1628
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,640
markets that they spouted at the
lip about.

1629
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,440
Right.
So the same people say pull

1630
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:13,080
yourself up by your bootstraps.
It's living off the government

1631
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:17,200
heat in the form of either
government pensions or Social

1632
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:17,880
Security.
Yeah.

1633
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,880
And Trump just had that whole
thing where he was, he's been

1634
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,000
talking his whole presidential
term about lowering the cost of

1635
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,440
housing.
And then he just basically got

1636
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:27,160
up and said, can't do that
because it's going to devalue

1637
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,800
the houses of yes, yeah, and
alienated everyone under 30

1638
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,400
years old, if not older than
that, his voting base by doing

1639
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,280
so.
Yeah, no, 100%.

1640
01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:40,480
If you want to talk about a
selfish generation, it's the

1641
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:44,840
generation that knowingly,
purposely enslaved their kids

1642
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,520
and their grandkids with a
financial debt that can't be

1643
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,240
paid.
Those aren't my words, Those are

1644
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,760
Thomas Jefferson's words.
You go read his words.

1645
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,040
You guys were the ones that
screwed this all up.

1646
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:02,760
Your parents went to war, came
home, you reap the benefits of a

1647
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:08,320
brand new economy and then got
dissatisfied with it, became

1648
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,320
hippies.
Then in the 80s became the

1649
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:15,080
yuppies and then proceeded to
screw everything up for your

1650
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,640
kids and your grandkids that
going forward.

1651
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,120
Now, how's this?
How's this tie back in to to

1652
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,640
this thing with generational
living?

1653
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,800
It ties back in because they
upset the natural order.

1654
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,360
They did.
They upset the natural order,

1655
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,160
right?
Because they maybe not them so

1656
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,920
much, but certainly their
parents had the benefit of

1657
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:43,160
having that generational living
where where those children of of

1658
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,040
the parents had exposure to the
grand grandparents, right?

1659
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,800
Mom and Dad didn't get put into
a home.

1660
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,480
It was up to the kids to take
care of mom and dad.

1661
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:56,200
Not maybe financially, but in
terms of, hey, mom and dad are

1662
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,160
up the driveway, let's go check
on them and make sure they're

1663
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,360
OK.
Likewise, mom and dad would be

1664
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,640
like, you know what, or, or
grandma and grandpa were like,

1665
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,200
you know what?
Mom and dad need a date night.

1666
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,680
Let's take the grandkids for a
night and we'll have a

1667
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,720
sleepover.
It was a much healthier society,

1668
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:17,080
but it was all upended.
Sacrificed eternal structure and

1669
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:22,160
form for mass production and
quantity over quality.

1670
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,160
Right.
And and here's what else I'm

1671
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,600
going to say that was prevalent
in the archaic societies.

1672
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:33,880
It wasn't so prevalent during
late monarchy like we saw in

1673
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,080
England by the time we're
breaking off because they had

1674
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,440
already, they didn't necessarily
industrialize, but they

1675
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:41,360
definitely had bigger cities.
Right?

1676
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:47,480
America was a throwback to the
archaic in that we had resources

1677
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:51,200
that we could still run with.
But there is a large segment

1678
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:56,680
that are all about I'm going to
get mine even if it cost my kids

1679
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,600
and grandkids.
You upset the natural order.

1680
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,560
You enslaved your children and
your grandchildren into

1681
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:10,040
financial debt to pay for your
crap. 100% the wages are are

1682
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,280
completely unequal.
Yes, you know too.

1683
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,240
You know, the, the, the standard
of living.

1684
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,720
Yeah, you can argue that we have
better toys, but those are

1685
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,000
materialistic things that I
don't really care about.

1686
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,320
Well, do we though?
I mean, because now I'm looking

1687
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,080
at our toys and I'm seeing that
there is much a problem, right?

1688
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,400
Well, that's a good point.
They are.

1689
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,840
They are a problem in a way.
They're a huge distraction away

1690
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,680
from the world we truly live in.
Yeah, in a way.

1691
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,240
Right.
And so we're less grounded in

1692
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:37,160
reality. 100%.
Than we used to be and then

1693
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:41,000
there's like even the stuff like
the point, you know like, yeah,

1694
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,280
like the technological marbles
are here but think everything

1695
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,640
breaks everything's designed to
break well these things are

1696
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,520
designed to outdate in like a
year or two and then you get a

1697
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,040
new one it's an.
Apple.

1698
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,000
Or it's a it doesn't matter.
It's a Samsung, but it doesn't

1699
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,960
matter.
They're they're designed to on

1700
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,880
the software to be corrupted,
yes.

1701
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,480
So you have to buy a new one.
Yep, I and it's just not that

1702
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,240
it's all the toys I'm talking
about.

1703
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,000
It's all the social media we're
now importing, right?

1704
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,600
We letting our kids run rampant
with and look, I did it.

1705
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,320
I want to say that up front,
right?

1706
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:19,360
I, I, I certainly did it, right.
I didn't have any idea what I

1707
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,640
was looking at.
And so when my kids turned about

1708
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,880
1415 years old, I'm like, yeah,
get them a phone.

1709
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,720
I want them to have a phone.
If there's school shooting, I

1710
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:28,160
want them to be able to call me.
Right.

1711
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,400
And it came from the best of
intentions.

1712
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,040
But what's the road to hell
paved with?

1713
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:38,120
I mean, it, it, it's, but
nonetheless, we're, we're, we've

1714
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,760
just done things that are
completely unnatural.

1715
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,680
And it really starts with the
baby boomers.

1716
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:48,560
And I remember thinking about
this during the last recession

1717
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,480
that we had no way when I really
started to question everything.

1718
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,960
And I was like, well, when it
comes to Social Security there,

1719
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,760
and I'm willing to do it.
Still, there's going to have to

1720
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,880
be a generation that's willing
to take it into the in the

1721
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,080
shorts so that your kids and
your grandkids aren't taxed to

1722
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:08,760
death.
Because as I said before,

1723
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,600
there's a generation before me
who is extremely selfish, who is

1724
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,000
not going to live without it.
Fine, I'll keep paying your

1725
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,200
bill, I'll pay your tab, but
leave my kids alone and leave my

1726
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,280
grandkids alone.
There's got to be a way to

1727
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,920
refinance somehow.
I'm not an economist.

1728
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,240
Though I'm not either, I'm not
either.

1729
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:31,320
And so this, this destruction of
generational living, in my

1730
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:37,520
opinion, has single handedly
destroyed an entire 2

1731
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,080
generations worth of people.
So yeah, it is.

1732
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:44,400
It is the culture we have isn't
really worth preserving.

1733
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,720
And so there's nothing worth
fighting for going forward.

1734
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,320
The birth rate is abysmal
because of all of this too.

1735
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:51,560
So there's nothing to replace
us.

1736
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,720
There's no legacy.
And then even more scary than

1737
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,320
that is there's the testosterone
decline.

1738
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:06,440
That's that's a part of the
fertility crisis where the

1739
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:12,200
projection, when you take a like
a graph, a a linear graph and

1740
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:16,760
you track the, the testosterone
of a male at six, even up to 60

1741
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,320
years old in 1960 to now.
And it's like a quarter, yeah,

1742
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,080
of what it was.
And you project that to 2050 or

1743
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,080
so.
Men aren't going to be able to

1744
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,040
have kids.
No, no.

1745
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:32,520
Without.
Without, without medical help,

1746
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:34,520
right, Without whatever you call
it.

1747
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,400
Testosterone shots or yeah.
Yeah, all that stuff without

1748
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,680
that, it's, we've been talking
about nuclear Armageddon, but

1749
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,760
that's Spermageddon.
It's a real.

1750
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,520
I just read a book on this by a
guy named Doctor Cornish Dale.

1751
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,400
He's a, he's a philosopher, you
know, he's a, he's a professor

1752
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,520
of anthropology in Britain and
he wrote a book called The Last

1753
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:01,320
Man where he severely critiques
Francis Fukuyama's The End of

1754
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,480
History, which by the way, since
we're talking about that again,

1755
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:07,240
it's not the end of
chronological history, it's the

1756
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,160
idea of it's the end of
civilizational competition in

1757
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:16,320
history anyways.
So but he talks about how that

1758
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,680
ties in with the death of
masculinity.

1759
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:24,840
You know, it was a huge thing
and how the the Society of super

1760
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:29,200
production and mass production
that we have is tied directly to

1761
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,240
the fertility crisis to the
point like all the plastics we

1762
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,840
ingest are killing the.
Phthalates.

1763
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,480
Yeah, dude, I found out about
phthalates and I stopped

1764
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,240
microwaving anything in plastic,
right?

1765
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,120
100 that's what I did last month
too, or two months ago, whatever

1766
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:46,680
it.
Was once I read about it I'm

1767
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,520
like Nope I'm if I have to
reheat something it's either

1768
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,520
going to be on the stove or on a
glass plate.

1769
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:55,880
To put it in perspective, 2050,
in 2050, my son will be 27.

1770
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,400
Yeah, the peak time to be having
kids.

1771
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,040
And that that linear graph
projects that.

1772
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,040
The vast majority of men would
be able to.

1773
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,880
That's one generation from now.
Yeah, I'm able to have more

1774
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,440
children without medical help.
And look, I can't.

1775
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:16,160
I Yeah, I think it's by design,
right?

1776
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,280
I was.
I was trying not to put on the

1777
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,320
tinfoil hat, but here we go.
We're putting on the tinfoil

1778
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,480
hat.
I I think it's absolutely by

1779
01:40:23,480 --> 01:40:25,600
design, right?
Because a man with less

1780
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,720
testosterone is a man who's more
governable.

1781
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,920
Yeah.
Plato talked about this, by the

1782
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:35,000
way, doesn't surprise in the
Republic his students are asking

1783
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,280
him, and I don't think he's
necessarily advocating for this,

1784
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,440
but they're asking him about
ways of like an ideal

1785
01:40:40,440 --> 01:40:44,840
civilization can be established.
Essentially.

1786
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,120
He talked about, you know, well
there's always going to be war

1787
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:50,400
and the only way you could get
rid of war would be to feed

1788
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:55,760
everyone a plant based diet.
Check, check, check which?

1789
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,040
Stop feeding everyone.
Meat.

1790
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,640
I'll probably definitely edit
out this point, but.

1791
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,680
No.
I, I had a good friend,

1792
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:11,000
shouldn't say good friend.
He was more of an acquaintance

1793
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:18,480
slash light friend so to speak,
went vegan and I remember he

1794
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:21,920
gave it up once.
By the way, it's it's a funny

1795
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,920
thing.
Have you ever seen the videos of

1796
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,560
what happens when a vegan gets
drunk or vegetarian?

1797
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,520
No, they eat meat.
They eat meat.

1798
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,600
I, I kid you not, when those
inhibitions are gone, they're

1799
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,680
like, give me bacon.
But but like he, he, he went

1800
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:45,800
vegan for a year and after that
he, he started eating meat

1801
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,200
again.
And I said, well, what's going

1802
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,760
on?
He said, I find I'm more amorous

1803
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,200
when I eat meat.
I was like, oh, so you popped a

1804
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,320
hard on finally, huh?
Right, Which is what it did it

1805
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:02,360
it dropped his testosterone to
such a low number that he could

1806
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,680
not.
So get up ahead of steam.

1807
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,040
So in the 1960s, because there
was an egg shortage or like

1808
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:13,840
because of bird flu or something
like that, the the government

1809
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:18,680
told the FDA to issue a
statement that if you consume

1810
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,400
more than three egg yolks a
week, you have a risk of

1811
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,240
developing cardiovascular heart
disease.

1812
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,480
Yes.
So totally fake.

1813
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,080
Yep, by the way, And that
cholesterol is bad, like all

1814
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:31,880
cholesterol is bad.
And we have like this food

1815
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,120
pyramid thing, right, That comes
from that time period.

1816
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,680
And then RFK recently was like
invert that and then you have a

1817
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,200
real food.
Pearl, what he said was the top

1818
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,520
to the bottom, which look, I
like RFK, right?

1819
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,000
Look, that's when I knew we were
close to the end times is when I

1820
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,240
was like Kennedy's cool.
I might vote for Kennedy, right.

1821
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:54,800
Like, yeah, that, that that was
crazy town.

1822
01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:00,560
But no, I mean, Plato's right.
I mean, you, you go to a plant

1823
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,680
based diet.
Look, I think a woman can get

1824
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:04,360
away with it.
I've seen plenty of women get

1825
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,360
healthy on it.
I shouldn't say plenty.

1826
01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:08,440
A few women get healthy on it.
I wouldn't.

1827
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:13,960
I think the Book of Mormon
prescribes a a meat diet for for

1828
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,600
women, right first.
Nephite.

1829
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,520
Those women were jacked and so
were the men.

1830
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,240
Yep, women stopped complaining
when they were eating meat.

1831
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,240
Yep, and they got strong.
Yep, I'm just saying, right.

1832
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,120
And and what were they strong
for nursing their children?

1833
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:32,400
Yeah, right.
And so this, this idea that that

1834
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,560
we need to be eating the just
stack it up.

1835
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:42,440
You're enslaved financially, you
are enslaved by the food that

1836
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:46,520
you eat.
You are enslaved by the plastics

1837
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,520
that we are forced to consume,
right.

1838
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:54,160
Look, no matter how hard I try
plastic water bottles, right?

1839
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:58,000
There's, there's, you know, go
down the list, everything's got

1840
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,720
plastic.
So so in the book I was reading

1841
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:05,920
The Last Men, he advocates for a
few things to kind of fix that

1842
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,520
one, almost never microwave
anything in plastic, right?

1843
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,720
Yep, filter your water.
A simple water filter will will

1844
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,280
get rid of that.
Don't drink anything out of

1845
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,320
plastic.
Get rid of your plastic toys for

1846
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,320
children.
Yep, you know, don't let them

1847
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,640
chew on anything plastic.
You know, forget all that.

1848
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,600
Vacuum your floors pretty
regularly also because your kids

1849
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,320
are going to be crawling around
on your floors and there's going

1850
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,040
to be plastic particulates from
your stuff all over the place.

1851
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,320
And sauna.
Yeah, sauna is a big one.

1852
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,400
To sweat out all the bad stuff,
all toxins.

1853
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,280
Yep, that no, that's exactly
right.

1854
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:43,320
And and so you see all this
stuff starts stacking up right

1855
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:45,280
now.
Look, I do believe that the old

1856
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:53,040
adage never, never blame what
could be stupidity on on I'll

1857
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:57,280
intent.
However, when you get to this

1858
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:01,360
point and we've stacked up this
much, I have a hard time saying

1859
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,080
it's not intentional.
I would almost rather a nuclear

1860
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,560
war than where this is going.
Yeah, by the way, because at

1861
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,880
least it would reset all this.
Exactly.

1862
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,880
We have a different kind of
toxicity that's worse in a way.

1863
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:16,400
We have built and you remember a
few years back I shouldn't.

1864
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:18,400
Yeah, it's about two years.
It's right when I moved to

1865
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:24,720
Missouri, and I moved to
Missouri in February of 24, I

1866
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:26,320
told you it was when we were in
Springfield.

1867
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,760
And I told you that day as when
you were getting ready to start

1868
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,200
the Old Testament series.
Yeah.

1869
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,600
And I said I was being oddly
drawn to the Tower of Babel.

1870
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,360
Yeah, over and over and over.
Yes, I remember.

1871
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,800
And I think I figured out why.
And this goes to your thing of,

1872
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,120
of almost preferring a collapse
of some sort.

1873
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:50,320
I don't think that's wrong.
I think what we have done is we

1874
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:55,160
have built a modern day Tower of
Babel out of our ideologies, out

1875
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:59,560
of our technologies, out of our
financial system.

1876
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:05,480
And the best thing that can
happen is the Lord in His mercy

1877
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:11,480
scrambles it and causes us to
reset and go back to things that

1878
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:15,040
are real.
When I look at COVID, there was

1879
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,960
even a blessing to COVID, right?
First, it wasn't that bad.

1880
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:24,080
Second, it forced us back to
things that were real.

1881
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,520
Yeah.
Now the scary part is that most

1882
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:29,280
of society rebelled against
that.

1883
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,360
Most of society goes, I just
want to get back to normal.

1884
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,000
I want to put my kids back in
school.

1885
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,640
I want to go back to work.
Right.

1886
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:41,960
If it was mom, if it was Dad, I
need to get out of this house,

1887
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:47,160
away from my wife and kids.
It exposed so many flaws and we

1888
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,440
didn't take advantage to be
like, oh crap, I need to fix my

1889
01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:52,280
family.
Right, Right.

1890
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,160
Sure.
Instead we just said, let's get

1891
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,600
back to norm, which is the
farthest thing from normal.

1892
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:02,440
Gotcha.
And and I honestly think that's

1893
01:47:02,440 --> 01:47:05,120
where we're at.
We are living the Tower of Babel

1894
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:08,360
all over again.
May not be a physical structure

1895
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,080
like we thought of, but we've
done it with our tech, we've

1896
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:14,120
done it with our money, and
we've done it with our every,

1897
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:19,720
with our ideologies and even our
diet. 100% it's the monoculture

1898
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:27,520
of our of globalism that way.
Yeah, is is the the monolith we

1899
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:28,240
have.
Yes.

1900
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:32,800
No.
Look, I tend to be a guy who

1901
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,680
likes people by and large,
right?

1902
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,040
Sure.
I want to give everybody the

1903
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,000
benefit of the doubt.
You're very gregarious.

1904
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:42,720
Having said that, not all
societies are created.

1905
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:43,840
Equal.
No, they're not.

1906
01:47:44,440 --> 01:47:52,040
And some societies have
detrimental practices and ideas,

1907
01:47:52,560 --> 01:48:01,720
right, that I don't care to
import and that needs to be

1908
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:06,360
recognized for what it is and
understand back to the end of

1909
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,080
history thing, right?
And and back to Dugan.

1910
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:15,480
We can't expect to walk into
Iraq, Iran, any of those other

1911
01:48:15,480 --> 01:48:18,520
countries and be like, OK,
where's Thomas Jefferson?

1912
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:20,160
We're here to liberate you.
Right.

1913
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:25,400
OK, No, absolutely not, America.
Got to the point it did because

1914
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,000
of a bunch of other factors.
Right.

1915
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,120
Yeah, different factors,
different racial factors,

1916
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:31,680
different historical factors,
right.

1917
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,520
And everything and even our
history is being rewritten now.

1918
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,480
Absolutely it is.
All the movies are period pieces

1919
01:48:37,480 --> 01:48:42,320
right now and they depict things
the way that they weren't and

1920
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,880
the way they are now like or, or
could be now.

1921
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,240
Like I think I saw something on
the BBC for example.

1922
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:51,320
This isn't over the top example,
but it shows you what what what

1923
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,600
it is.
Because then like 2 generations

1924
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,120
down the road, anyone watching a
period piece would be like, oh,

1925
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:57,280
this is the way it's always
been.

1926
01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:00,560
This is set in history and this
resembles what I'm seeing now.

1927
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,440
When you see a black king of
England set in the Middle Ages,

1928
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:05,720
it doesn't work.
It doesn't work right?

1929
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,560
That's bull crap, right?
You know, and it's painting the

1930
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:13,240
this picture that like this has
been the the global Homo world

1931
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,120
forever.
No and no.

1932
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,320
That's what they're trying to
paint though.

1933
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:17,880
I know.
But yeah, 100%.

1934
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,560
But you can.
See this also in the way we

1935
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:24,600
portrayed the Native American
right where it was the noble

1936
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,600
savage, right?
Oh well, they didn't go to war

1937
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,160
with each other.
They just they lived in harmony

1938
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,800
with the land and with with each
other horse crap.

1939
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,880
They were killing people and
taking each other prisoner and

1940
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:41,080
slavery.
Look, you you know why the Texas

1941
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,160
Rangers are a thing.
I'm assuming because the Indians

1942
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:44,840
the.
Comanche.

1943
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:49,200
Oh, it makes sense to me.
The Comanche, OK, they were look

1944
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,280
they were brutal and they were
horrific.

1945
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:54,680
They were terrorists.
I don't know how else to put it.

1946
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:59,560
I'll give you one example.
Great book SE Gwynn Empire of

1947
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:03,600
the Summer moon all about the
Comanche cool down in Texas.

1948
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:09,600
There was several women that the
Comanche raided settlement

1949
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:13,640
grabbed them.
OK, you can't reason with that.

1950
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,920
No, there is no let's find
common ground.

1951
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,280
There's no why do you feel bad?
Why do you have to do that?

1952
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,200
No, You find the threat and you
extinguish the threat.

1953
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,600
There was no well, maybe we're
the real monsters, which is like

1954
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:31,280
the, the that's like the the
background plot for every show

1955
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,360
ever.
Yeah, we're the real monsters.

1956
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,400
Yeah, dude.
You saw it in Star Wars, right?

1957
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,880
If you if you look at some of
the newer movies, it is, well,

1958
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,640
the Jedi we're just as bad as a
Sith, right?

1959
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,160
We're in this weird time where
we're not happy unless we're

1960
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:50,280
crapping on ourselves.
So the modern art form is and

1961
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,040
it's what's taught in college is
let's take the classics.

1962
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,080
Not that Star Wars is a classic
in that sense, but it isn't a

1963
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:57,520
different you.
Got your mouth?

1964
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,200
It isn't a different sense, but
it's Star Wars or it's or it's

1965
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:01,480
Shakespeare.
Doesn't matter, right?

1966
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,400
You take that and you
deconstruct it.

1967
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:08,000
Yes, you turn everything brown,
gay or female.

1968
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,920
Yep.
Well, and it it, it is also what

1969
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,800
is, I believe has been termed as
postmodernism, right?

1970
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,160
Yeah.
Where where there's this idea

1971
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,200
that we're progressing past
those things.

1972
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:24,720
And oddly enough, the people who
are for for postmodernism are

1973
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:30,320
also for this idea of redefining
language, which is a problem as

1974
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,360
well.
It's 1984 stuff, yes.

1975
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:35,080
They redefine language.
They redefine the terms.

1976
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,640
And like the Latin X.
Yes, exactly, exactly.

1977
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,560
And they they redefine the
terms, they redefine the words.

1978
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:47,400
And now what happens is now
you've taken the punishment that

1979
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:52,600
God gave to the tower and you're
pre empting the ability to come

1980
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:57,160
back good because you are taking
the very thing God punished us

1981
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,240
with.
And now incorporating that

1982
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:02,960
confusing the language.
That's why I think we can't

1983
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:07,520
really talk anymore either is
because a lot of our language

1984
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:12,400
has been so corrupted that we
that that I might tell you

1985
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:17,000
something, but it doesn't the
the one word I use, I think

1986
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,240
means one thing means something
completely different to you.

1987
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:23,560
Yes, I understand completely.
And, and it's a it's a problem

1988
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,280
on a massive level because we
can't communicate well now.

1989
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:31,160
Like there's all of these things
that have stacked up, right?

1990
01:52:31,480 --> 01:52:34,960
And now we're entering this new
time of global instability where

1991
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,200
there will be a new order.
We know one thing we know for

1992
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:42,960
certain is that power reports a
vacuum or vacuum.

1993
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:47,720
Yeah, Yeah, the power.
Power reports a vacuum.

1994
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,160
Is that the right phrase or is
it?

1995
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:50,920
Yeah.
No, I mean, it makes sense to

1996
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,280
me, yeah.
Somebody's going to fill that

1997
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,160
role.
Something will fill the new

1998
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:58,480
order, right?
Or or the lack of order.

1999
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,600
What that is is anybody's guess
at this point.

2000
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:07,280
I have a few ideas, and none of
them are great, but I do think

2001
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:11,760
that's where we're at now.
So it's interesting on something

2002
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:13,680
I've deduced.
So we talked about Marxism

2003
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,880
earlier.
So there's there's don't read in

2004
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:19,560
the lines.
I'm speaking to the audience

2005
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,160
here and to you too, I guess,
but don't read in the lines too

2006
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,000
much.
And when I, you know, when I say

2007
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:28,240
this, but there's three because
I want to critique 2 things and

2008
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:32,000
not a third thing, OK, does not
mean I necessarily advocate for

2009
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,520
the third thing, but it's for
context.

2010
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:36,880
There's three things.
First, there's three classic

2011
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:40,400
political theories after the end
of the imperial era, OK?

2012
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:44,440
The political theories are
liberalism, Marxism and fascism.

2013
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,200
OK, I know what you're talking
about when you talk about

2014
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:50,840
liberalism, but define it.
Liberalism is the idea, so it's

2015
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,760
Dem.
It's so, for example, the the

2016
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,280
government we have now, the
society we have now is liberal.

2017
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,840
Yes.
Because generally as a bigger

2018
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:05,080
umbrella and under that in the
American body politic, you have

2019
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,920
one wing that is liberal,
progressive and then the other

2020
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,920
is conservative slash Republican
or whatever.

2021
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,960
You know, it's actually the
whole thing is liberal in a

2022
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:16,920
classical or general.
I don't want to say classical.

2023
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,480
Once again, general sense.
Once again, the confusion of the

2024
01:54:19,480 --> 01:54:20,120
language.
Right.

2025
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:22,000
Once again, the confusion of the
language.

2026
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:27,360
And so it's, it's the, so it's
a, a more representative form of

2027
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:32,640
government, generally democracy
or or republicanism than what we

2028
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,840
thought before, which was
monarchy and capitalism, right?

2029
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:39,720
So not a state controlled or
centralized economy.

2030
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:46,160
So in the general context,
liberalism is democracy and

2031
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:47,360
capitalism.
Right.

2032
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:53,080
Marxism, which we defined
earlier, is a rejection of those

2033
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:58,200
things in the sense that we we
accept them as a historical

2034
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,840
past, but we want to move to a
stateless and classless society.

2035
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,600
And fascism was largely an
undeveloped theory that was

2036
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:10,880
purely a reaction to Marxism,
and it didn't exist long enough

2037
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:14,680
to really see where it would
have gone as an ideology,

2038
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,920
because it's extinguished, you
know what I mean?

2039
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:22,080
You know, I I do know what you.
Mean so like, I can't really

2040
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:28,120
comment on on on that.
Also, I read an article from

2041
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:31,360
George Orwell that who wrote
1984 for those who don't know,

2042
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,560
and those who haven't read an
Animal Farm, those who haven't

2043
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:35,920
read those books, you absolutely
should.

2044
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,680
He wrote a really interesting
article in 1944 on fascism.

2045
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:42,760
And he basically said this thing
is so undefinable because it's

2046
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:45,960
only used as a Billy club to
beat someone's head in with.

2047
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:48,480
Yeah, for whatever whoever you
don't like, you call them a

2048
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:51,120
fascist.
But essentially, historically,

2049
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:56,280
it was a reaction against the
Red Scare, you know, in Europe.

2050
01:55:56,840 --> 01:56:02,200
And there was now we didn't,
there was Huey Long here, who

2051
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,960
Roosevelt said was the most
dangerous man in the nation.

2052
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:13,160
And then he was assassinated.
But and he wouldn't, he wouldn't

2053
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:14,440
really make what I would call
fascist.

2054
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:17,920
He was a leftist populist.
But it's like the opposite of

2055
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,320
Donald Trump.
You know, he was a populist is

2056
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:25,840
like Donald Trump's a populist
right wing and and Louis Huey

2057
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:32,680
Long was a was a Democrat.
But so Marxism wants to abolish

2058
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,840
class and state.
We define classes, the the caste

2059
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:40,680
system, the archaic caste
system, but liberalism when it

2060
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:42,600
triumphed.
And this is my analysis.

2061
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:46,840
If I'm going to put on the Dugan
hat or you know, for me, I've

2062
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,400
never read it this from him or
any this is my analysis.

2063
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:53,640
Liberalism is interesting in
that it accomplished the same

2064
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:58,440
thing in a different way.
It's like 2 pincers moving

2065
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:03,120
against, you know, like a pincer
formation against the truth, you

2066
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:04,480
know, from different angles of
attack.

2067
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:09,760
And what liberalism has evolved
into is globalism, which didn't

2068
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:15,400
abolish state and class, it
abolished gender and race.

2069
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,640
Yep, Yep.
That's what it's seeking to do

2070
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:18,480
now.
Yep.

2071
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:21,160
Here's here's what's
interesting.

2072
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:26,320
I, I think I do have a good
definition for, for fascism for

2073
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,040
you.
And this should scare you.

2074
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:32,080
OK, there's a book right behind
you called Liberal Fascist.

2075
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,640
Yeah, I've seen that over there.
Wrote, wrote by a guy named

2076
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:36,720
Jonah Goldberg.
And certainly Goldberg has his

2077
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:40,640
own problems.
I, I don't want to say no, that

2078
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,920
was, that was OK, That was Jonah
Goldberg.

2079
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,840
And the line liberal fascism
actually comes from a George

2080
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:55,240
Carlin stand up set.
Is that a, is that the guy I'm

2081
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,000
thinking of a different guy?
I think the guy that pretended

2082
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,000
to be Hitler?
Is it that George Carlin?

2083
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:02,040
No.
Is that that's the different?

2084
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:04,240
No, that's nobody.
The dictator, the great Dictator

2085
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:06,400
that the the black and white
film was different different.

2086
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,360
Guy, different guy.
So George Carlin.

2087
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:12,440
Yeah, George Carlin was a stand
up comedian, was famous for

2088
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:15,560
doing a set called The Seven
Deadly Words You Can Never Say

2089
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:17,880
on TV, right?
And they were all swear words

2090
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:23,160
and it was kind of in your face.
But he said if fascism ever

2091
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:26,080
comes to America, it's not
coming in Jack boots and brown

2092
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:29,920
shirts.
It's coming in a Nike in Nikes,

2093
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:34,320
a tie dye T-shirt and a happy
face pin.

2094
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:41,440
So hippies, hippies.
OK, the definition of fascism in

2095
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:45,640
my opinion, because it because
it is somewhat out there.

2096
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,600
But there is a certain quality
that we can find in all

2097
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:52,880
fascistic societies, and it's
not a complete takeover of

2098
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:55,880
private industry.
It's not a national

2099
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:59,400
nationalization, but it is a
controlled economy.

2100
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:05,440
And it's when big business, not
mom and pop big business, come

2101
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:12,320
together with government to push
mutual goals.

2102
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:19,400
OK, I think we're living in an
American fascism right now.

2103
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:23,320
If we look at what happened
during COVID, to go back there

2104
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,640
again, who was shut down,
Michael?

2105
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,240
Yeah, I get you there.
Mom and pop shops, right?

2106
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:33,400
And Amazon boomed.
Amazon, Walmart, they all

2107
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,280
boomed.
The big boys boomed.

2108
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,200
So that's interesting though and
I'm just a little push back to

2109
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:44,520
engage with the conversation.
So wouldn't fascism be more the

2110
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:49,240
state compelling the companies?
But I would read this more as

2111
01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:53,240
the companies compel the state.
I think it could go either way.

2112
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:56,640
I think it could, and I don't
think it's about necessarily

2113
01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:00,800
compelling as much as it is.
I mean compelling through

2114
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:02,600
economic.
Pressure scratch my back, I'm

2115
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:05,200
going to scratch yours.
Krupp Steel is a good example of

2116
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:08,360
this.
Krupp Steel was the was the the

2117
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:14,680
steel manufacturer for Germany.
Krupp Steel stayed completely

2118
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:20,040
private in their in their, their
production.

2119
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:25,520
But what happened was, is that
the government came in, said

2120
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:27,640
who's our biggest and best
manufacturer?

2121
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:31,760
Well, it's Krupp Steel, OK,
We're going to put all of our

2122
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:36,080
contracts into Krupp Steel, OK?
What's the problem with that?

2123
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,000
The problem with that is, is
that the government got to

2124
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,400
choose winners and losers,
right?

2125
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:45,440
So there was no free market at
the end of the day.

2126
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,640
I think based off of that, I
think what would have happened

2127
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:54,360
is at some point fascism is
going to go to socialism.

2128
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,480
I don't, I think it's
inevitable, right?

2129
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:01,280
As more things get pushed out
and you have these big

2130
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:06,120
conglomerates, those big
conglomerates will become the

2131
02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:10,720
new ruling class and everyone's
going to work for them, right?

2132
02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:14,840
You get your choice 4 places to
work at Amazon, Walmart or you

2133
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:20,040
know whatever and they will take
care of you cradled grave.

2134
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:22,160
We see it kind of in China
right?

2135
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:25,120
If we look at, look at.
That's a it's kind of

2136
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:26,440
interesting.
Alien, yes.

2137
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:27,880
It's like the company owns
everything.

2138
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:30,920
Yes, and this is the part that
pisses me off because I have to

2139
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:36,000
admit the hippies were right
about this When when when I was

2140
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:40,360
your age, I used to scoff and
laugh because you'd have leftist

2141
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:44,000
call up like talk shows.
You know radio, you know News

2142
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:48,440
Radio, right?
And be like, it's the, it's the,

2143
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:49,960
the corporations, they're
coming.

2144
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:51,760
And I'm like, shut up, hippie,
right?

2145
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:55,280
Like shut up, hippie.
But now they are coming.

2146
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:58,760
But they are right.
Or like Fight Club, right?

2147
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:02,680
Fight Club like he jokes about
and I've joked with my boss and

2148
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:05,120
others like, you know, nations
aren't going to be 1, the ones

2149
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:07,560
that colonize space.
It's going to be Starbucks,

2150
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:11,120
Amazon, Walmart, whatever that
colonize other planets.

2151
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:15,800
Yes, yes, yes.
And so I do think that that is

2152
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:18,480
probably a pretty apartment
description because every

2153
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:23,040
fascist country did just that.
There was kind of a soft merger

2154
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:25,560
between big business and the
government.

2155
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:30,920
Now, not all fascism is created
equal, right?

2156
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:33,480
I don't like any of it.
I I want to say that, right?

2157
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:38,080
I'm not saying I'm poor fascism.
It was a very unified, right,

2158
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:40,320
you know, dogma, so to speak,
because it was made in the

2159
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:42,520
vacuum of the onslaught of the
Red Scare, right.

2160
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:43,800
Yeah.
So it's like, what?

2161
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:47,720
What can we find?
Like in Spain, you had Italy and

2162
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:50,000
you had Germany, essentially.
And then you had some movements

2163
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:53,960
in Romania and maybe in Greece.
And they're all a little

2164
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:56,640
different.
And even in Syria, too, but

2165
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:59,400
they're all a little different
than each other.

2166
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,120
And so it's hard to give like
one definition so.

2167
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:04,400
Yeah, no.
Well, and, and the other thing

2168
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:10,000
is, is that social policy is
going to very widely, right.

2169
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:17,680
If we look at, if we look at
Mussolini, that was kind of a

2170
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:22,520
maternal form of fascism, right?
Mussolini's not killing Jews.

2171
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:27,240
He's not, he's largely not
waging war against his

2172
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:30,120
neighbors, right?
He does team up with Hitler, but

2173
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:34,880
by and large he's not doing the
things that Hitler did it.

2174
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,040
It's kind of, we're going to
take care of you cradle to

2175
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:39,280
grave.
Now you move into Germany and

2176
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:43,080
that's more of a paternal kind
of fascism, a heavy-handed

2177
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:48,760
fascism that will absolutely
squash people.

2178
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:54,360
So yeah, like National Socialism
was like very rooted and

2179
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:58,720
hardline biological race, right?
And Italy was not that way.

2180
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:02,400
No, Italy's.
Italy's, if I remember

2181
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:07,960
correctly, whole thing was the
whole mantra was nothing outside

2182
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:09,720
of the state and nothing against
the state.

2183
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:11,720
Yes.
Yep, and they were trying to be

2184
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:13,800
the benevolent dictators for
sure.

2185
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,640
And to what extent.
I don't know how popular it was.

2186
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:18,720
I mean, obviously it was popular
enough to get to get a.

2187
02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:24,200
Start It was on Time magazine.
But, and I don't know what the

2188
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,680
public, you know, thought of him
by the end at all, really.

2189
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:29,360
But yeah, well, they publicly
hung him.

2190
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:30,040
I don't.
Yeah.

2191
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:35,400
I don't know much about
Mussolini, but yeah, the the

2192
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:38,480
methods seem to be fairly
different with yeah, you know,

2193
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:43,560
and the I think Mussolini was
kind of buddy with the Catholic

2194
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:45,560
Church.
Understandably, probably,

2195
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:48,120
though.
Yeah, Hitler wasn't so much, no,

2196
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:50,280
he was a Catholic, but he he
wasn't.

2197
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:53,680
So he from what I've understood,
he wanted to go into like a

2198
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:57,240
really hard line.
Scientism was his main thing.

2199
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:00,600
Yeah, Hitler on the other side.
But yeah, but Hitler was a, or

2200
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:04,400
it was a really a, he never
renounced Catholic Catholicism,

2201
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:07,440
but he he was just like, let's
get past Christianity and let's

2202
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:09,440
just go into his hard science
realism.

2203
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:12,240
Yeah, no, there's, there's some
pretty interesting accounts of

2204
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:15,120
when Hitler was taking over.
At first he was championed,

2205
02:05:15,120 --> 02:05:17,920
right?
He was like from the church.

2206
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:20,360
He was, he was like.
Initially, so yeah.

2207
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,280
He's he's here to restore order
because we forget that the

2208
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:27,400
Weimar Republic, which is the
ruling party, they legalized

2209
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,840
everything.
You wanted heroin, you got

2210
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,480
heroin.
So it was liberalism to.

2211
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:33,920
A to a fault.
To a fault.

2212
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,560
Exactly right.
The burlesque shows, right?

2213
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:38,400
Yeah.
All those things come in.

2214
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,600
Genderism start in 1920s
Germany.

2215
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:44,760
Yes, it's all coming out of
that, that time period.

2216
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:48,960
And So what you had is you had
and again, this should scare us

2217
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:51,320
because we're again, we're in a
similar time, right?

2218
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:55,440
And we should really be looking
at these lessons and trying to

2219
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:59,320
rein this back in because I
think what we're seeing here now

2220
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:03,800
is that we are seeing a, a re
emergence of all those vices

2221
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:10,280
that have come back, right?
And what, what, like, look, I'm

2222
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:12,840
not going to lie, I took a lot
of joy and watching a lot of

2223
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:15,840
liberal tears roll out when
Trump was elected.

2224
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:20,680
Oh, me too.
However, we have to be cognizant

2225
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:23,000
of this idea of a strong man
that's going to come in to fix

2226
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:26,720
it because that's exactly what
Hitler did right?

2227
02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:30,800
And when Hitler comes to power,
when he becomes the chancellor,

2228
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:38,800
before he becomes the chancellor
or the Fuhrer, the the churches,

2229
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:41,600
we're all about him.
He's going to restore the

2230
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:44,120
Christian ethic back to our
society and.

2231
02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:45,920
He played that.
And he played that.

2232
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:49,280
And then by the end, and I say
the end, when things are

2233
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:53,920
starting to really get dicey,
they come in and they take off

2234
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,120
the pictures of Jesus on the
wall and start hanging pictures

2235
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:01,800
of the Fuhrer.
And so we need to be very

2236
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:06,320
careful about, as we go forward
here, not to be drawn to this

2237
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:10,120
idea of the strongman, right.
Someone's going to be willing to

2238
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:16,160
grab that pendulum.
And who grabs that pendulum is

2239
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:18,920
going to probably be disaster no
matter who it is from the left

2240
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:22,560
or the right, because there will
be certain things with the right

2241
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:24,680
that guys like you and I will
not fit with.

2242
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:29,040
If we don't get with the program
that's that's problem.

2243
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,960
It can be, yeah.
No, it is a problem.

2244
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:37,440
It's a, it's a question in my
mind because I thought about

2245
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:41,120
this one a lot, especially
because as I begin to question

2246
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:46,320
the cultural myths that I live
in now and and I distrust my own

2247
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:50,520
government to the point where I
just reevaluate a lot of things.

2248
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:57,880
You know, for example, people
like to cite that George

2249
02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:02,040
Washington like gave up the
term, you know, after 2 terms or

2250
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:05,000
any wouldn't become king, right?
And they equate even to the

2251
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:07,440
point like Lord of the Rings,
where like you give up the ring

2252
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:10,200
of power thinking that the ring
of power is a metaphor for

2253
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:11,120
power.
Sure.

2254
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:12,560
It's not actually a metaphor for
power.

2255
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:15,080
It's a metaphor for evil, which
is different, right?

2256
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:19,000
Yep.
They're not synonymous terms.

2257
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:21,400
But no.
And then there's another quote.

2258
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:22,920
I think I sent it to you a while
back.

2259
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:28,840
I'm like, you know, I
pontificate a lot on a lot it

2260
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:34,000
talks about.
Let's see if I can find this.

2261
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:38,920
The heaviest penalty for
declining to rule is to be ruled

2262
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:41,280
by someone inferior to yourself.
Right.

2263
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:45,960
And so the idea being we've all
gotten really accustomed to the

2264
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:51,480
idea that we're all equal.
Yeah, which the Constitution

2265
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:53,960
says something about equal
rights, and I'm not disputing

2266
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:55,800
that.
But at the same time, to say

2267
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:58,640
that we're all equal is is a
bold faced lie, because we're

2268
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:00,600
not.
You you would have to go back

2269
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:05,760
and read, read original sources.
What they were saying is that

2270
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:09,200
all men were equal before the
law, and all men were born with

2271
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:12,400
an equal shot now.
Now I'm just saying what we

2272
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,760
culturally interpret out of that
seems to be kind of a

2273
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,400
parasitical.
Yes, it's a different than what

2274
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:18,720
the founders had meant.
For it.

2275
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:21,240
And so there are inferior
people.

2276
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:25,800
And because righteous men won't
hold power, yeah, people

2277
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:28,560
inferior to them get to hold
power and wield it against

2278
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:29,880
everyone.
Yes, Yep.

2279
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:33,880
And so would you say, let's not
fall into a strongman fallacy?

2280
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:37,920
I'm not disputing it, but at the
same time, shoot, it would be

2281
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:40,120
nice to have some stronger men,
that's for sure.

2282
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:45,440
I get I get what you're saying
and and let me say this, we

2283
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,720
certainly don't like one man ISM
in our religion.

2284
02:09:47,960 --> 02:09:48,800
That's true.
I don't.

2285
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:51,000
Would you like one man ISM in
the government?

2286
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:55,400
No, I probably wouldn't.
That would only because I

2287
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:58,240
wouldn't trust the human ability
to.

2288
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,760
Exactly.
So we're on the same page then.

2289
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:12,040
But I would say I, I would
consider myself post liberal, OK

2290
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:15,280
in an undefined sense in the,
you know, that there's things

2291
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:17,480
from our culture that I'm not
going to throw the baby with the

2292
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:19,200
bathwater on.
But I'm not married to

2293
02:10:20,280 --> 02:10:22,600
egalitarianism.
OK, so So what?

2294
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:25,840
What do you keep?
And I'm still working on all

2295
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:28,120
that.
But I really think that

2296
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:31,920
political power needs to be
earned in a way that we talked

2297
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:35,960
about earlier, like something
that's traumatic, not in the

2298
02:10:35,960 --> 02:10:40,320
sense that, like, let's exile
the young men, you know, to the

2299
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:42,400
wilderness and see if they
survive kind of a thing.

2300
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:46,480
But something needs to be there.
No, you and I have talked about

2301
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:50,280
this before a a need for a rites
of passage to make a return and

2302
02:10:50,280 --> 02:10:52,520
so.
The basically what it would need

2303
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:55,760
to take looking at looking at
things from a meta political or

2304
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:59,040
metaphysical view is I don't
want to live in a society that

2305
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:02,160
orders the society from below,
from the lowest common

2306
02:11:02,160 --> 02:11:04,800
denominator.
And so at least on the

2307
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:08,960
metaphysics side, a king does
order society from above.

2308
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:11,560
Right now you get into the
debate about divine right of

2309
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:13,680
kings and we're also back to the
strongman thing.

2310
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:18,280
And I'm not advocating for that,
but I would at the very least

2311
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:23,280
not want to add order society
from lower regions, right, You

2312
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:25,920
know?
And So what do you have to do is

2313
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:30,160
qualify men somehow.
I don't know what that looks

2314
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:32,200
like yet, but I think that sound
reasoning.

2315
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:36,400
Yeah, I look, I think the
founders did speak on that a

2316
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:39,480
little bit.
I'm right now teaching a course

2317
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:43,200
on the 5000 year leap and there
was one principle in there.

2318
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:48,520
There was one principle in there
where it talked about when, when

2319
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:52,880
you go to select good leaders,
they should be proven right Now,

2320
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:56,440
I'm not saying they have to be
proven in the military.

2321
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,280
I'm not saying they have to be
proven.

2322
02:11:58,360 --> 02:12:00,960
I, I thought that government my
dad wants and he said that's the

2323
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,200
worst idea he's used in the
Army, right?

2324
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:05,120
Right.
And he's so interesting to me.

2325
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:08,800
He said the Army trains most
people to be to be mediocre,

2326
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:10,120
right?
Right.

2327
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:11,560
Which is this interesting
thought?

2328
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:15,400
So I just did an episode with a
guy who's not a Mormon at all,

2329
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:18,240
but talked about his he is a God
guy, right?

2330
02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:21,720
He's he's very religious, but he
talked about his time in the

2331
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:25,680
military and how much of that
that'll be released in a couple

2332
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:28,240
of weeks here, talked about that
very thing.

2333
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:35,720
He but you know, whether that's
in business, whether that's in

2334
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:41,000
other leadership roles through a
job or maybe it is the military,

2335
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:42,760
right, like I.
Wouldn't exclude it.

2336
02:12:42,920 --> 02:12:44,280
Right.
I wouldn't exclude it.

2337
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:49,680
I do believe that a man should
have a proven track record,

2338
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:52,720
right.
And if look if you have been in

2339
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:56,240
the white towers of academia, I
don't think that counts, right?

2340
02:12:56,240 --> 02:12:58,080
You have to go out and you have
to scratch out.

2341
02:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,440
Not in the not, definitely not
in the sense of academia now,

2342
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:03,640
for sure.
No, no, definitely not for sure.

2343
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:05,480
But I want my leaders to be
intelligent.

2344
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:07,400
Sure.
You know.

2345
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:11,640
Sure, you know.
But they're all, they're all

2346
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:13,720
bought.
Yeah, you know.

2347
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:16,400
Yeah, they're bought and paid
for and it's it's all done,

2348
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:19,680
right.
So I agree with you, right.

2349
02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:22,800
And and look, I'm not a guy who
believes that we don't have the

2350
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:26,720
ability to amend the
Constitution.

2351
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:28,880
I think the founders were smart
enough to give us that right,

2352
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:33,960
because they knew at some point
even Washington when he when at

2353
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:36,120
at the Constitutional
Convention, he said something

2354
02:13:36,120 --> 02:13:40,520
interesting.
He stands up and it's right

2355
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:42,640
before they're about to take the
vote, the final vote.

2356
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:45,560
And I'm going to paraphrase this
part of it, but he basically

2357
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,080
says, gentlemen, we've been here
these many long months suffering

2358
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:52,680
through the heats and, you know,
being away from our families and

2359
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:57,160
we've argued a lot.
We have come to some conclusion

2360
02:13:57,160 --> 02:14:00,000
and resolution.
And this is where I quote

2361
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:03,800
Washington directly.
He stands up and he says let us

2362
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:06,560
raise a standard to which the
wise and noble can repair.

2363
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:10,000
The event is now in God's hands
and he sits down.

2364
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:14,520
The vote is taken.
But that statement, let us raise

2365
02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:18,000
a standard to which the wise and
noble can repair.

2366
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:24,800
He knew at the outset that it
wasn't complete, it wasn't done,

2367
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:29,480
it wasn't perfect.
And he was basically saying,

2368
02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:31,320
let's give him a foundation to
work from.

2369
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:34,880
So I'm a guy who believes that
things are still on the table

2370
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:38,200
right now.
It's going to take a massive

2371
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:43,600
amount of hardship, most likely,
to vote in men who are willing

2372
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:50,640
to do the hard work of that
right to ignore the the graft

2373
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:53,960
that happens in Washington.
So I just ordered a book.

2374
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:57,200
I'm really excited for it by
John Calhoun, who he was a

2375
02:14:57,200 --> 02:14:58,800
former vice president of the
United.

2376
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:01,800
He served under John Quincy
Adams and Jackson.

2377
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,840
Yeah, he's a one of the yeah,
he's one of two.

2378
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:08,520
I think Ford or someone else was
the one of the only two

2379
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:11,560
presidents to serve as vice or
vice presidents to serve under

2380
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:14,400
two different like parties or or
terms.

2381
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:21,440
But he wrote a book in the 1830s
or 40s I think on it's called a

2382
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:24,400
Disquisition on Government.
And he's interesting.

2383
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:27,360
So he was, he was vice president
for two terms.

2384
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:29,840
He was a senator in South
Carolina multiple times.

2385
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:31,760
He was a secretary of war for a
while.

2386
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:38,280
And he went from being a
federalist to being a states

2387
02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:41,560
rights activist.
And he was pretty much actually

2388
02:15:41,560 --> 02:15:48,680
a huge influential political, he
said, setting political

2389
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:50,240
precedent for the South
succeeding.

2390
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:54,440
He had a he had a professor at
Yale or Harvard.

2391
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:57,440
It was really interesting.
You taught him in his words, He

2392
02:15:57,440 --> 02:15:59,680
said, this is totally a tangent,
right?

2393
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:06,120
He said, I can't prove that
states have a moral or that or

2394
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:10,440
that states could prove a moral
ability to secede from the

2395
02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:13,120
Union, but that they have.
But I can't say that they don't

2396
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:15,240
have a legal right too, you
know?

2397
02:16:15,240 --> 02:16:17,680
Interesting.
It is interesting when you get

2398
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:20,880
in that debate about states
rights versus federalism, right?

2399
02:16:22,280 --> 02:16:25,240
In some ways, I would dare to
say Joseph Smith was much more

2400
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:30,800
of a federalist than he was a
states rights guy because he

2401
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:33,879
recognizes in Missouri their
rights aren't being protected.

2402
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:36,719
That's true.
And where does he go for

2403
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:38,000
redress?
The federal government.

2404
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:39,280
The federal government, It's
true.

2405
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:41,920
Yeah.
No, there's a, there's

2406
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:43,200
definitely two sides of that
coin.

2407
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:46,280
And so I'm excited for Calhoun
because he's, he's Calhoun's.

2408
02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:49,240
He's both sides.
Calhoun's very interesting too,

2409
02:16:49,240 --> 02:16:52,160
because in that time period.
And it's right before it's

2410
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:53,559
Joseph Smith's time period,
right?

2411
02:16:53,799 --> 02:16:54,559
Right.
It's it's that time.

2412
02:16:54,600 --> 02:16:59,559
Period.
If, if we look at at that time

2413
02:16:59,559 --> 02:17:03,840
period, if you ran against the
president or if you were running

2414
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,920
and you lost the presidency, you
became the vice.

2415
02:17:06,920 --> 02:17:08,480
President, That's how it
happened with him, yeah.

2416
02:17:08,600 --> 02:17:13,360
And I'll tell you what, I'm in
favor of that model, maybe not

2417
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:17,520
so much today, but maybe maybe
even the 80s.

2418
02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:19,240
I may have been OK with that
model.

2419
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:21,840
Now, there's no way I would
espouse it.

2420
02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:26,080
But and if if we could all agree
on like the Bill of Rights in

2421
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:28,440
the Constitution, I feel like we
could still do some really

2422
02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:31,240
awesome things, right?
But you you're going to need to

2423
02:17:31,240 --> 02:17:34,160
check the parties and the best
way I know of to check the

2424
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:36,400
parties is build a team of
rivals.

2425
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:39,879
Right.
Well, and then at that point,

2426
02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:44,799
you're dealing with rivals that
are competing for, yeah, their

2427
02:17:44,799 --> 02:17:48,160
vision, but they have a vision
that's rooted in a shared,

2428
02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:51,559
shared foundation.
Yes, look which we do not have

2429
02:17:51,559 --> 02:17:53,799
at the moment.
I would say as late as the

2430
02:17:53,799 --> 02:17:59,240
1980s, for the most part, most
people were like, I just want to

2431
02:17:59,240 --> 02:18:03,240
raise my kids, have a good
living, you know, live in peace,

2432
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:07,360
be left alone.
Right now, I think we have

2433
02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:11,280
factions that absolutely want to
destroy everything that's been

2434
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:15,440
built to this point, including
anything that's been good.

2435
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:19,280
And I'm not sure that you could
get away with building a team of

2436
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:21,160
rivals right now.
And how it work out?

2437
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:25,040
Well, there's that thought.
Then there's the thought that

2438
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:26,879
they're all secretly buddies.
Well, they're.

2439
02:18:27,360 --> 02:18:29,040
That it's all professional
wrestling.

2440
02:18:29,080 --> 02:18:31,120
Yeah, it's professional
wrestling and all we have is a

2441
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:33,680
uniparty that hates us.
Yes, yes, they're I.

2442
02:18:33,719 --> 02:18:38,240
Don't know where to rest well.
I, you know, I, I don't think

2443
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:42,200
that that could not be very far
off from the truth right with

2444
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:45,760
sprinkled in there, you know a
few guys here and there who are

2445
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,879
honestly principled.
You're Ben Sasse.

2446
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:49,440
You're.
You know, what do you think of

2447
02:18:49,440 --> 02:18:52,080
Thomas Massie?
You know, is it I?

2448
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,240
I know who he is.
Trump or button head's like

2449
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:57,160
crazy.
Yeah, I like him because he's

2450
02:18:57,160 --> 02:19:00,639
willing to butt heads with him.
There's a few takes I don't

2451
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:03,559
like, but also people have to
realize you're not gonna like

2452
02:19:03,559 --> 02:19:05,799
everything one guy likes. 100%.
Right.

2453
02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:06,719
And you've got to be, well, it's
like.

2454
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:09,160
Jackson and this guy Calhoun,
right?

2455
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:12,440
They yeah, they had a tough go
sometimes.

2456
02:19:12,799 --> 02:19:16,160
And that's healthy, right?
And I'm also a believer that

2457
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:18,480
gridlock's a good thing.
I think the system was designed

2458
02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:21,879
to be gridlocked unless it was a
very big emergency that we could

2459
02:19:21,879 --> 02:19:24,400
all agree on, right?
Like an existential threat.

2460
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:28,440
But I'm a fan of gridlock
because if you're gridlocked,

2461
02:19:28,440 --> 02:19:32,320
you're not making dumb laws.
And I think there, there is a

2462
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:35,600
certain wisdom to that.
But no, it it we've for sure

2463
02:19:35,600 --> 02:19:40,400
gotten ourselves to a place now,
Mike, where I do feel like we've

2464
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:44,639
built the Tower of Babel and you
know, it's been built through

2465
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:46,400
tech, it's been built through
our economy.

2466
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:47,920
It's been built through.
It's scary.

2467
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:50,400
Because it's that one's going
higher and higher and higher

2468
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:52,640
exponentially.
We don't need to go down that.

2469
02:19:52,840 --> 02:19:56,040
Oh no, no, I got, I got some
things I can talk to you about

2470
02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:58,400
afterwards that that's pretty
brutal.

2471
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:00,280
That was a hell of a side
tangent.

2472
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:02,280
I'm cool with it.
I hope everyone else is cool

2473
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:03,040
with it.
I'm cool with.

2474
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,760
It I'm cool with it.
I think it's been good.

2475
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:07,560
Let's keep going.
If they don't, yeah, either they

2476
02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:10,080
they're listening this long or
they turned it off long ago.

2477
02:20:18,080 --> 02:20:20,960
And we may just have to like get
to a stopping point and do a

2478
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:23,720
Part 2.
Maybe I don't know or yeah, I

2479
02:20:23,720 --> 02:20:24,480
don't know.
We'll find out.

2480
02:20:24,760 --> 02:20:31,080
All right, so we so I read the
book that I couldn't grab that I

2481
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:32,320
was looking for before I came
here.

2482
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:35,320
I read in there something that
I'm.

2483
02:20:35,320 --> 02:20:38,920
So I'm going to say what it
said, but I, I did some Google

2484
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:40,720
searches and it was like
disputed that.

2485
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:42,560
So I don't know how trustworthy
this is.

2486
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:46,920
But so we talked about the Mervs
earlier and how we started

2487
02:20:46,920 --> 02:20:48,320
decommissioning those in the
90s.

2488
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:52,800
I think the last one was
decommissioned in like 2007.

2489
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:59,440
That's right.
Well, the START treaty that we

2490
02:20:59,440 --> 02:21:02,080
were under with Russia just
expired, for example.

2491
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:07,320
And so we agreed, I get rid of
those.

2492
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:10,360
I don't really know if we have
the infrastructure to use those

2493
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:12,080
now.
Maybe we do.

2494
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:17,800
But those things like that, if
you have all these warheads, you

2495
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:19,920
have more warheads and you have
missiles now, like what you do

2496
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:21,320
with them.
You put them in storage, right?

2497
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:25,120
Right, you can then.
Rearm or use them again on

2498
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:29,480
another missile, right?
Well, Joel Skousen in his book

2499
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:33,160
Strategic Relocation, I believe
he said that those are all

2500
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:38,040
stored in Utah, the Hill Air
Force Base and like, Dugway

2501
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:43,200
proving Grounds.
Oh, and so now we're talking

2502
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,200
nuclear war strategy.
Like where do you want to hit?

2503
02:21:47,080 --> 02:21:48,880
You want to probably take out
their weapons for.

2504
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:51,480
You want to take out the other
guy's weapons, and so the first

2505
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:54,080
priority strike in nuclear
doctrine is you.

2506
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:56,800
You, you take out the military
facilities.

2507
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:02,680
Nuclear war isn't going to
really be targeting civilian

2508
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:05,440
cities.
Yeah, if a civilian city,

2509
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:10,320
military base or if a strategic
location for the war effort of

2510
02:22:10,320 --> 02:22:12,680
that nation is located near a
city, yeah, that city's screwed.

2511
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:15,480
But it's not going to be like
every city's being targeted,

2512
02:22:15,480 --> 02:22:19,320
right?
Well, Salt Lake and Ogden are

2513
02:22:19,320 --> 02:22:21,400
right there with Hill Air Force
Base.

2514
02:22:22,840 --> 02:22:28,120
And so I don't know if those
warheads are there, but what is

2515
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:34,880
for sure true is Hill Air Force
Base is in charge of the the

2516
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:39,200
ICBM program in the United
States really of maintenancing

2517
02:22:39,240 --> 02:22:42,640
and like the tech and software
and heart, especially hardware

2518
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:47,080
like gyroscopes, OK.
Everything that goes into ICBM's

2519
02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:51,000
is retrofitted through or parts
are made and like they go

2520
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:53,640
through there.
So like that's primary target #1

2521
02:22:53,880 --> 02:23:03,240
is Hill Air Force Base.
So I mentioned earlier in the

2522
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:05,920
podcast that the Rocky
Mountains, like moving from

2523
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:09,480
Seattle to Montana, would like
you want to do that because the

2524
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:11,840
Rockies will keep some of the
fallout out.

2525
02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:15,800
The problem with Salt Lake
Valley, that fallout's never

2526
02:23:15,800 --> 02:23:17,600
really leave in that valley, No.
What do you have?

2527
02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:18,400
Is it called?
Inversion.

2528
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:20,160
Inversion.
Yep, inversion.

2529
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:23,720
In there, yeah.
So there's that to wonder about

2530
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:30,360
for sure.
And then on top of that, the

2531
02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:37,400
secondary target and Russian
nuclear doctrine is to ground

2532
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:43,200
impact any runways that U.S.
military bombers can use to

2533
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:46,240
refuel.
So that's Salt Lake Airport, for

2534
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:49,080
example.
So Salt Lake and then you have

2535
02:23:49,080 --> 02:23:52,320
Camp Williams right there.
So Salt Lake area, a bare

2536
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:58,440
minimum has two primary targets
and at least one or two

2537
02:23:58,600 --> 02:24:03,320
secondary targets in a second
wave attack right in the valley.

2538
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:08,240
Just for everyone's information.
Am I advocating you leave Salt

2539
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:10,720
Lake?
You guys can read the room.

2540
02:24:11,360 --> 02:24:13,760
Somewhere there's a real estate
agent in Salt Lake going.

2541
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,400
Shut up, Michael.
Shut up, Michael.

2542
02:24:18,960 --> 02:24:20,360
Anyway, I digress from that
point.

2543
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:23,200
No, that's interesting to know,
right?

2544
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:28,200
It's really interesting.
And look, I truly mean this.

2545
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:30,480
You have to live where the Lord
tells you to live.

2546
02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:35,440
That's the safest place for you.
Having said that, you should

2547
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:39,240
probably pray really hard about
where you should live and make

2548
02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:41,200
sure that answer is crystal
clear.

2549
02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:44,640
I agree.
All right, so food and water and

2550
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:47,760
dust type containers are not
contaminated by fallout

2551
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:51,440
radiation and peeling fruits and
vegetables essentially removes

2552
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:54,200
all fallout.
Really just peeling them, just

2553
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:58,480
peeling them and see This is why
I wanted to have this

2554
02:24:58,480 --> 02:25:03,320
conversation because there is so
much BS that goes in.

2555
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:06,920
Oh so much.
To to this subject, right?

2556
02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:10,080
Because quite frankly, Hollywood
had to make it look good.

2557
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:13,120
Sure.
I do believe that there was a

2558
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:17,680
coordinated effort to get Reagan
to back down from challenging

2559
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:20,400
Russia in those days.
And so how do you do that?

2560
02:25:20,400 --> 02:25:24,720
You make nuclear war look
possibly way worse than what it

2561
02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:25,800
is.
Agreed.

2562
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:29,440
So water from deep wells and
covered reservoir reservoirs and

2563
02:25:29,440 --> 02:25:30,960
containers would not be
contaminated.

2564
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:34,040
And contaminated water can be
made safe by filtering through

2565
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:38,040
Earth, like I'm assuming through
a normal kind of filter system,

2566
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:40,240
which is in this book, but I
haven't read that chapter.

2567
02:25:40,360 --> 02:25:43,000
OK, So that's good news.
Yeah.

2568
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:46,200
Yeah.
Also, what do you think of

2569
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:49,480
nuclear winter?
I'm not a fan.

2570
02:25:49,480 --> 02:25:52,040
I've been to North Dakota and
it's not quite nuclear winter,

2571
02:25:52,040 --> 02:25:53,560
but the winter sucks.
I mean.

2572
02:25:53,800 --> 02:25:57,280
So it's also practically A myth,
really, by the way.

2573
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:02,280
Yeah.
So it is interesting because, I

2574
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:05,760
mean, Soviet scientists and then
our scientists did it and got

2575
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:09,920
different answers on like what
the result would be,

2576
02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:12,960
essentially.
And so like, but even among our

2577
02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:14,560
guys, we've gotten some
different answers.

2578
02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:18,520
But this book has evidence that
supposes like that the guys that

2579
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:25,600
were positing a heavy nuclear
winter were kind of bought

2580
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:31,520
really by the Mads, you know,
stuff and like magazines and

2581
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:33,880
stuff at the time, you know,
media, go figure.

2582
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:39,960
But it seemed to be a really
useful tool for propaganda to

2583
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,080
for the Mads thing, like just
look like like let's blow this

2584
02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:44,880
out of proportion.
So no one ever does this kind.

2585
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:49,560
Of thing, right?
But there was a study, so it was

2586
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:53,920
popularized in 1982, I guess.
Studies done in 1986, however,

2587
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:57,840
suggest that in this theoretical
scenario, the greatest

2588
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:03,240
temperature reductions would be
in July for a few days.

2589
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:08,360
The temperature be it would be
as low as 50��F in July.

2590
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:10,520
That's not really nuclear
winter.

2591
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:13,320
You know, having lived in
Missouri now a couple of

2592
02:27:13,320 --> 02:27:16,760
summers.
July, Yeah, 50 in July doesn't

2593
02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:18,960
sound bad, is it?
Yeah, I'm just saying there's.

2594
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:26,080
Now the Soviet data said 10
below for a few weeks, also the

2595
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:27,280
same time period.
Wow.

2596
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:31,960
But maybe that's also
geographical.

2597
02:27:33,160 --> 02:27:35,240
Could be geographically.
The different climates.

2598
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:39,320
You got to wonder how good a
Russian scientist is when

2599
02:27:39,320 --> 02:27:41,000
they're hungry because they
weren't eating a lot in those

2600
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:43,040
days.
Sure, too.

2601
02:27:43,440 --> 02:27:45,520
No, It.
Yeah.

2602
02:27:46,120 --> 02:27:49,040
That's a big swing, Michael.
That's like a 60�� swing.

2603
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:51,000
It is.
I could see it being

2604
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:53,120
geographical.
But yeah, our environmental

2605
02:27:53,120 --> 02:27:55,200
factors are completely different
from theirs.

2606
02:27:55,320 --> 02:27:59,120
Yeah, there is prevailing winds
and the Gulf currents and all.

2607
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:01,960
Yeah, like our environments
different than theirs would be,

2608
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:02,800
right?
Totally.

2609
02:28:03,320 --> 02:28:05,160
Yeah, yeah, the other.
Maybe they just get the short

2610
02:28:05,160 --> 02:28:06,720
end of the stick on that one.
I don't.

2611
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,520
Know well and that could be
right because I don't think like

2612
02:28:09,960 --> 02:28:13,560
America is unique because we
have a wide variety of climate

2613
02:28:13,880 --> 02:28:15,880
yeah, Russia I don't think has
that.

2614
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:19,120
Yeah, well, not Gen.
I mean, their landmass is so

2615
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:22,200
huge that I mean, yeah, you're
going to have different

2616
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:23,720
climates.
But like when you're talking

2617
02:28:23,720 --> 02:28:27,800
about variety in like percentage
of landmass, probably not as

2618
02:28:27,800 --> 02:28:29,400
much as ours.
Like because yeah, you have like

2619
02:28:29,400 --> 02:28:32,760
the southern Russia by the
between the Black Sea and the

2620
02:28:32,760 --> 02:28:38,360
Caspian Sea that I think is
pretty warm and then and South

2621
02:28:38,360 --> 02:28:42,080
of Moscow I think is probably
relatively temperate if not

2622
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:45,520
boreal.
But then everything else is

2623
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:50,800
like.
Tundra, yeah, pretty much cold,

2624
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:53,640
yeah.
I mean, it was it was a cold

2625
02:28:53,640 --> 02:28:57,240
that ultimately did Germany in,
right?

2626
02:28:57,240 --> 02:29:00,040
I mean, going to war in the
winter didn't help.

2627
02:29:00,320 --> 02:29:03,240
No, no, So, yeah, I mean,
there's areas that are, you

2628
02:29:03,280 --> 02:29:07,160
know, bordering the Asia, you
know, the southern border that I

2629
02:29:07,160 --> 02:29:10,080
think would be it's going to be
cold in winter time, but it's

2630
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,360
also going to be super hot
summer, right.

2631
02:29:13,680 --> 02:29:17,560
And I don't know if Russia or
Western Russia, like Moscow is

2632
02:29:17,560 --> 02:29:20,200
humid or how, you know, in the
summer.

2633
02:29:20,400 --> 02:29:22,040
There is some areas on the Volvo
River.

2634
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:25,200
I think that's pretty swampy and
humid, and that's just north of

2635
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:28,600
the the area between the Black
Sea and Right Sea.

2636
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:32,080
That makes sense.
I believe it's staying cold in

2637
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:34,000
winter.
Forget how big Russia it's in.

2638
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:43,080
But we have Gulf currents and,
you know, with the current from

2639
02:29:43,080 --> 02:29:47,520
Mexico and then Canada in
competition with each other and,

2640
02:29:48,200 --> 02:29:51,560
you know, yeah, I don't know how
that I definitely wouldn't want

2641
02:29:51,560 --> 02:29:53,960
radioactive tornadoes.
No, that doesn't sound fun.

2642
02:29:53,960 --> 02:29:55,000
We.
Would have that.

2643
02:29:55,000 --> 02:29:57,440
They wouldn't have that because
America for some reason is like

2644
02:29:57,440 --> 02:29:59,320
the only place on Earth that has
tornadoes.

2645
02:29:59,720 --> 02:30:01,240
Go figure.
Really.

2646
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:03,880
Yeah, because of the.
Because of the climate and

2647
02:30:03,880 --> 02:30:05,560
geography.
Interesting.

2648
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:07,840
Yeah.
Nuclear tornadoes.

2649
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:09,840
That sounds bad.
That sounds like a bad sci-fi

2650
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:10,440
movie.
Yeah.

2651
02:30:11,080 --> 02:30:12,280
Sharknado.
Sharknado.

2652
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:17,080
All right.
Beta particles.

2653
02:30:17,080 --> 02:30:20,400
So either gamma rays, right,
which we talked about, you know,

2654
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:23,520
your general radiation, but beta
particles are another byproduct.

2655
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:25,600
I just thought this was
interesting.

2656
02:30:28,320 --> 02:30:30,960
Yeah, it's relevant.
I'd say it's relevant distinct

2657
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:33,600
from gamma rays.
Breathing through a dust mask,

2658
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:35,880
towel or cloth would give you
good protection.

2659
02:30:35,880 --> 02:30:38,760
And dry, dusty or windy areas
from beta particles.

2660
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:43,040
They can't penetrate more than
10 feet of air or one eighth

2661
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:46,480
inches of water or wood.
The most consistent danger from

2662
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:49,000
beta particles is contaminated
food or drink.

2663
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:52,640
If wearing thin clothing, it
will take several hours before

2664
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:56,080
your skin gets beta burns.
Prompt washing of the body with

2665
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:59,000
water will prevent burns, and if
water is not available,

2666
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:02,400
scrubbing the skin fallout.
Contaminated clothing should be

2667
02:31:02,400 --> 02:31:07,680
discarded as soon as practical.
Alpha particles are identical to

2668
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:13,920
the nuclei of helium atoms.
One to three inches of air will

2669
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:17,760
stop their penetration, and it's
doubtful that they can penetrate

2670
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:20,960
unbroken skin and even thin
clothing will stop them.

2671
02:31:21,560 --> 02:31:24,800
Alpha particles are only harmful
if the object that emits them

2672
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:26,840
enter the body.
Interesting.

2673
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:32,120
So yeah, the beta particles like
seem to be the, you know, dust

2674
02:31:32,120 --> 02:31:36,000
type stuff that over you.
And so yeah, scrub, wash, get

2675
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,480
rid of your clothes, wear wear a
dust mask.

2676
02:31:38,480 --> 02:31:39,600
You don't want to be breathing
that stuff.

2677
02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:42,440
Which is what I heard right.
If you had to hike out somewhere

2678
02:31:42,440 --> 02:31:45,600
after that initial two week
phase, what you're going to want

2679
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:48,320
to do is just cover your mouth
and and then when you get to

2680
02:31:48,320 --> 02:31:50,160
where you want to go, burn your
clothes.

2681
02:31:52,520 --> 02:31:55,720
So chapter 8 of this book talks
about air filters and air pumps

2682
02:31:55,720 --> 02:32:01,840
for shelters and water.
Chapter 9 has food prep.

2683
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:07,960
Chapter 10 has OK I guess an
ability, a way to make homemade

2684
02:32:07,960 --> 02:32:10,480
dose readers, which would be
handy.

2685
02:32:10,760 --> 02:32:16,640
Oh, that would be, yeah, like a
Geiger Count Geiger counter.

2686
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:18,320
I don't know.
If dose reader is the same thing

2687
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:22,680
as a Geiger counter but it's
dose meters is the what's?

2688
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:25,480
The manager in the.
The Robins, Yeah.

2689
02:32:26,040 --> 02:32:28,160
And it's, yeah.
So probably is the same thing,

2690
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:35,000
you know, chapter.
So chapter 10 was dose readers

2691
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:38,120
surviving without doctors.
There's some stuff about that in

2692
02:32:38,120 --> 02:32:43,000
chapter 13 on this book.
There's evacuation checklist,

2693
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:47,240
there's shielding for the
radiation and I'm assuming for

2694
02:32:47,240 --> 02:32:52,680
shelters and personal shielding.
There's a chapter on expedient

2695
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:54,840
shelter furnishing.
So expedient shelters are the

2696
02:32:54,840 --> 02:32:56,880
fast shelters that you can throw
up in 24 hours.

2697
02:32:57,040 --> 02:32:59,320
OK.
And what those look like?

2698
02:32:59,320 --> 02:33:01,760
What would they consist of?
Essentially it's digging A

2699
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:05,720
trench, putting like logs or
wood over the top and then like

2700
02:33:05,720 --> 02:33:07,440
a tarp and then like covering
that with Earth.

2701
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:09,840
That's it.
That's it.

2702
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:11,320
That's all you need for an
expedient shelter.

2703
02:33:11,320 --> 02:33:13,080
I mean, there's some more
particular things about

2704
02:33:13,080 --> 02:33:19,400
dimensions and like, so you
don't get like shockwave, like

2705
02:33:19,880 --> 02:33:22,520
angle, like angle of entrance
into the tunnel.

2706
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:25,960
Yeah, you don't get shockwave
and, like, have your eardrums

2707
02:33:25,960 --> 02:33:27,560
burst and that kind of stuff.
Right.

2708
02:33:27,720 --> 02:33:28,840
Right.
And those are details that are

2709
02:33:28,840 --> 02:33:31,800
in the book.
But yeah, essentially it's as

2710
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:34,280
simple as.
And that's why people in Japan

2711
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:36,520
who didn't know what was coming
with the nukes were able to

2712
02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:40,840
survive 1/3 of a mile away from
Ground Zero in a normal air raid

2713
02:33:41,320 --> 02:33:43,280
trench.
Interesting.

2714
02:33:43,880 --> 02:33:46,600
Because they can just get in
there and cover it and you're

2715
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:47,560
good.
Yeah.

2716
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:54,400
Or it's all yeah.
Yep. 20% Wow, a lot different.

2717
02:33:54,440 --> 02:33:56,040
It protects you from the blast,
right?

2718
02:33:56,040 --> 02:33:57,880
That's all that you're worried
about in that instance, right?

2719
02:33:57,880 --> 02:33:59,600
You have to worry about the
fallout's a separate issue.

2720
02:33:59,800 --> 02:34:03,280
If you could afford to build a
Fallout Shelter, that's great,

2721
02:34:03,480 --> 02:34:04,160
right?
You know?

2722
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:06,840
But you don't technically need
to, right?

2723
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:09,920
I think you should.
Personally, I'd love to have

2724
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:13,800
one.
Yeah, I saw some cool, cool ones

2725
02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:16,960
where you like dug a hole.
Put in a like a.

2726
02:34:20,280 --> 02:34:21,960
Oh, a shipping container?
Yeah.

2727
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:25,240
Then kind of went down there and
spruced it up and had all your

2728
02:34:25,240 --> 02:34:26,600
food and everything else you
need.

2729
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:29,200
There are some things I'm
thinking about that you'll have

2730
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:32,240
to figure out, like a restroom,
right?

2731
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:33,880
They talked about that in the
book too.

2732
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:37,200
Did they?
Yeah.

2733
02:34:38,320 --> 02:34:41,520
What'd they use for ventilation?
They got the, they got air pump

2734
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:43,640
stuff.
There's a whole thing on that.

2735
02:34:43,640 --> 02:34:45,400
See if I can flip through and
take a look at here's your

2736
02:34:45,400 --> 02:34:47,480
expedience.
So by the way, that's what

2737
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:51,960
happened to flip to that.
Oh, it's got diagrams and all

2738
02:34:51,960 --> 02:34:53,720
sorts of things.
Here, let me take a picture of

2739
02:34:53,720 --> 02:34:55,120
that.
I'll just throw that up there on

2740
02:34:55,120 --> 02:35:02,640
the show notes.
You want to put this on a dating

2741
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:19,710
profile or anything funny.
Let's see, where's the ear

2742
02:35:19,710 --> 02:35:21,710
filter?
It's mainly made of plywood and

2743
02:35:21,710 --> 02:35:25,070
stuff like that.
Dude that pump probably is what

2744
02:35:25,070 --> 02:35:30,760
I don't think.
So OK, so so let's say this in a

2745
02:35:30,760 --> 02:35:32,720
house like mine where I don't
have a basement.

2746
02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:37,720
Good question.
In your estimation, if I was to

2747
02:35:37,720 --> 02:35:43,400
seal off the windows, you know
like put like this Queen is.

2748
02:35:45,440 --> 02:35:48,480
That like a tape.
This queen would be like a vapor

2749
02:35:48,480 --> 02:35:53,080
barrier, OK, a plastic vapor
barrier, if we were to put that

2750
02:35:53,080 --> 02:35:55,920
up.
Based on what you've read, do

2751
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:58,560
you think that that?
Is based on where we are in

2752
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:00,280
relation to targets.
Yeah.

2753
02:36:00,280 --> 02:36:02,800
If you have that in a pump to
get like, or in a filter with

2754
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:06,040
fresh air to get in and keep and
like, yeah, put that, put a

2755
02:36:06,040 --> 02:36:08,080
barrier on your windows and your
doors and stuff.

2756
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:10,320
Yeah, you'll probably be fine.
Interesting.

2757
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:12,000
For like 2 weeks, yeah.
Then you're good.

2758
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:13,760
I still want to build.
A Fallout Shelter.

2759
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:21,560
I would.
So yeah, this is Appendix B, How

2760
02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:24,200
to make and use a homemade
shelter ventilating pump.

2761
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:33,730
Nice.
So it really is how to survive

2762
02:36:33,730 --> 02:36:42,050
when it is 100%.
Got all the diagrams, got

2763
02:36:42,290 --> 02:36:46,210
stories.
There was a really interesting

2764
02:36:48,010 --> 02:36:50,250
picture of one that they did I
want to find.

2765
02:36:54,440 --> 02:36:57,880
Here's your pictures of, you
know, the bunker with the air

2766
02:36:57,880 --> 02:37:03,120
pipe or something there so.
It's just open.

2767
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:08,200
It's just pointed down.
If this is the air distillery.

2768
02:37:08,200 --> 02:37:11,960
Here, that kind of makes some
sense to me.

2769
02:37:12,320 --> 02:37:14,920
It makes sense to me too,
because if it's pointed down.

2770
02:37:15,800 --> 02:37:19,080
Like a candy cane listening
video wise?

2771
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:22,760
Yep.
That would be your intake.

2772
02:37:25,800 --> 02:37:27,600
Yep.
And then it looks like they got

2773
02:37:27,600 --> 02:37:31,000
that little filter there.
So really you're just sticking a

2774
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:34,880
pipe up there, putting a little,
I'm guessing probably filter in

2775
02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:38,120
through like Earth or whatever.
And then?

2776
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:41,960
Interesting.
Yeah, there's, it's all this

2777
02:37:41,960 --> 02:37:43,720
hope.
It was like super rudimentary

2778
02:37:43,720 --> 02:37:48,320
like this, this thing, it was a
plywood box with some stuff in

2779
02:37:48,320 --> 02:37:51,520
it that was a pump, you know,
for air.

2780
02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:55,040
So it's all super cheap, you
know, Hey, I'm sure you could

2781
02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:58,040
probably do more things too if
you want.

2782
02:37:58,040 --> 02:38:02,440
This is really like, it probably
has some of that too.

2783
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:05,200
But it's also like, what can you
do on short note, short note,

2784
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:06,920
right?
Do you really need to do it?

2785
02:38:07,400 --> 02:38:10,160
Right.
So completely survivable.

2786
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:12,600
So what was that?
Pretty much it.

2787
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:16,280
I got a few more notes.
Yeah, let's let's go over those

2788
02:38:16,320 --> 02:38:21,560
real quick.
Maybe I don't.

2789
02:38:21,640 --> 02:38:24,400
Let's go at the end.
Actually, I don't know if we

2790
02:38:24,400 --> 02:38:27,280
have a time for that one.
There was definitely, Yeah, No,

2791
02:38:27,640 --> 02:38:28,720
let's round it out.
I think.

2792
02:38:28,920 --> 02:38:33,880
You sure?
Well, it's either that or talk

2793
02:38:33,880 --> 02:38:37,680
about the the India thing and go
down that rabbit hole.

2794
02:38:38,120 --> 02:38:40,000
Tell you what.
But we can do that another time

2795
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:41,520
and just throw a throwback to
this.

2796
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:43,360
Yeah, let's, let's let's do
that.

2797
02:38:43,360 --> 02:38:45,600
I want to do a different podcast
on an.

2798
02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:47,600
Archaeo Astronomy.
That can tie in.

2799
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:51,640
Those that would tie into that
fairly well, right going based

2800
02:38:51,640 --> 02:38:54,280
on the talks we've had, I think
that would tie in pretty well.

2801
02:38:54,280 --> 02:38:56,400
So why don't we hold off on the
India thing for now?

2802
02:38:56,480 --> 02:38:58,360
Yeah.
Let me ask you this question.

2803
02:38:58,760 --> 02:39:01,240
After studying that book and
doing your studying, what was

2804
02:39:01,240 --> 02:39:05,120
your take away from a potential
nuclear exchange with another

2805
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:07,960
country?
I mean, it's so the most

2806
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:11,920
interesting thing to me was that
the yields of the bombs

2807
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:15,920
themselves have gone down.
So for example, in the nuke maps

2808
02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:20,000
thing, you can test that 50
megaton and 100 megaton version

2809
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:23,000
of the big Russian bomb bizarre
bomber.

2810
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:26,360
And so that's that's 50
megatons, right?

2811
02:39:26,360 --> 02:39:31,000
The ones that they had deployed,
I think they tested a 101, but

2812
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,040
they never made it like for
regular use.

2813
02:39:34,600 --> 02:39:36,480
And I don't even know how big
our big ones are.

2814
02:39:36,480 --> 02:39:40,600
I think 30 megaton range was
kind of where the US nukes were

2815
02:39:40,600 --> 02:39:42,800
the biggest ones.
And I don't know what we have

2816
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:49,760
now either, but so if the most
common warhead in the Russian

2817
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:51,880
arsenal is 500 kilotons, it's
half.

2818
02:39:52,600 --> 02:39:56,240
So it's one 100th of the power
of that big one.

2819
02:39:56,960 --> 02:39:58,920
That's pretty, that's
relatively, that's a big

2820
02:39:58,920 --> 02:40:00,680
decrease, right?
Right.

2821
02:40:01,240 --> 02:40:04,880
Also we've gone through like 3
different new treaties with

2822
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:11,120
Russia and we've all de
escalated the amount of warheads

2823
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:15,320
we have, missiles we have in
silos and even submarines that

2824
02:40:15,320 --> 02:40:17,560
we're allowed to keep capable.
Right.

2825
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:23,720
So that all seems to be good
news as far as not having

2826
02:40:23,720 --> 02:40:29,000
nuclear war, right.
But it so as far as the book

2827
02:40:29,000 --> 02:40:32,480
goes, I think that that was a
really interesting just to see

2828
02:40:32,480 --> 02:40:34,720
the evolution of tactics with
Russia.

2829
02:40:38,200 --> 02:40:42,160
I think some of the more
interesting stuff is what we

2830
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:45,320
talked about with the the world
order changing.

2831
02:40:45,400 --> 02:40:52,520
Yeah, because if the world order
is not anchored in a shared

2832
02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:56,200
desire for monetary increase,
what's the thing holding us

2833
02:40:56,200 --> 02:40:58,760
together?
That's my question.

2834
02:40:58,920 --> 02:41:00,880
I don't know.
Yeah, and I'm saying I don't.

2835
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:03,120
I'm not arguing that it
shouldn't go because I hate it.

2836
02:41:03,720 --> 02:41:06,400
Right.
But then there is that would be

2837
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:09,560
the opening for conflict
potentially would be that at the

2838
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:10,960
same time.
So it's a 2 edged sword.

2839
02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:14,640
Let me ask you this, do you
potentially do you feel?

2840
02:41:17,240 --> 02:41:20,040
Better or worse about your
chance of surviving nuclear war

2841
02:41:20,040 --> 02:41:23,600
after doing all this?
If I were, I do have plans to

2842
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:26,000
invest in some of those
projects. 100%.

2843
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:29,680
I feel pretty good.
Yeah, it makes good common

2844
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:36,400
sense.
And I think I'd rather be

2845
02:41:36,400 --> 02:41:38,280
prepared than not prepared.
Right.

2846
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:42,120
And especially in Salt, you
know, that's the big sword

2847
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:47,720
hanging over my head is Salt
Lake is especially, especially

2848
02:41:47,720 --> 02:41:52,320
for our people, that's target #1
ironically, yeah.

2849
02:41:52,320 --> 02:41:57,280
You know, besides, I mean,
there's other Air Force bases

2850
02:41:57,280 --> 02:41:58,840
and stuff too that are equal
targets.

2851
02:41:58,840 --> 02:42:00,920
But like, that's not where our
people are.

2852
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:02,360
No.
Right.

2853
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:06,040
You know, you have certain
bunkers and things like you have

2854
02:42:06,040 --> 02:42:10,120
a like the Strategic Air Command
type stuff.

2855
02:42:10,480 --> 02:42:12,800
They're pretty cool, which we
didn't talk about like Cheyenne

2856
02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:14,960
Mountain.
There's the notch, The notch,

2857
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:21,120
which is in like Massachusetts.
You have the main sack in off at

2858
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:24,880
Air Force Base in Oklahoma.
No Nebraska, sorry.

2859
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:27,840
Then there's an old one.
I'm not sure if it's

2860
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:30,240
decommissioned, like it's called
Raven Rock.

2861
02:42:30,240 --> 02:42:32,160
It's out by DC somewhere.
Yep.

2862
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:36,160
I don't know if they're still
using that one or not.

2863
02:42:36,200 --> 02:42:38,640
Well, I can tell you they don't
let you get close to it still,

2864
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:41,320
or at least they didn't back in
O5.

2865
02:42:41,880 --> 02:42:43,880
You ever watch Terminator 3
where they go?

2866
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:46,640
You know, he he survives by
going into one of the.

2867
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:49,320
Yeah, I I get ideas in Arizona,
right?

2868
02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:51,160
Yeah.
The documentary Terminator,

2869
02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:53,360
right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2870
02:42:53,360 --> 02:42:55,560
That's looking more.
Well dude, this was fun.

2871
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:58,720
I feel like the audience got to
see what it is you and I talk

2872
02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:01,240
about when we're not, when we're
not on the mic.

2873
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:04,720
So they got they got a little
behind the scenes.

2874
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:06,080
Anything else you want to finish
up with?

2875
02:43:07,240 --> 02:43:08,400
Probably not.
It's getting late.

2876
02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:10,240
It's getting late.
I'll be back later.

2877
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:12,280
How about that?
We'll, we'll do it later.

2878
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:13,920
Bye everybody.